"Not ONE of the things you mention here are mutually exclusive with the company improving their products. You can't just say "not really" and then not actually prove that that is the case, instead just listing a bunch of irrelevant things." I said "not really" because you were saying this like it's always true, but no, competition doesn't push companies to innovate or improve their products, but to make more money. If they want to make more money, they can do what you say, but they can also do what i say. And the things i said can only be fixed by killing capitalism first, as simple as that.
"And "reunite in lobbies to push planned obsolescence all together" is collusion, and is VERY illegal, and companies HAVE been fined BILLIONS for doing it" NT naive. And if the only thing that prevents them from doing it are laws, like you said, why do you suck capitalists' dicks so much.
"For someone that hates supply and demand so much, you should at least understand how it works first. If they decrease the quality of the product, demand falls, so sales fall, so revenue and profits fall. They lower the cost of production by producing those products in a more efficient way, not by making them worse quality." NT wizard, you are probably one of those who believes in endless economic growth in a finished planet. If you think they can lower the cost of production indefinitely without destroying the environnement or the people, you're special. And if you think they can't lower the quality without backlash HAHAHA you're naive. They just have to include a bunch of fonctionnalities on-trend and it's done. Cars, smartphone, PC, washing machine,... all of them.
"It says in this video that the company itself is encouraging its employees to make kaizens, and they actually do it." Video showing less than 1% of the companies btw LMAO. And you probably think this can't apply to another economical system than capitalism LMAO. I hope they're paid well btw (but probably not).
"And the idea that capitalism has been producing low quality products for "decades" is absolutely fucking ludicrous. Like, just look at how far technology has come in the last few decades. How can you possibly even say that?" i say that because it's true, some things have improved, some things have deteriorated. Without capitalism we could heradicate the last part of my sentence.
"For a start, I wasn't even talking about workers before you wrote this, so read what I write. But whatever." Obviously you weren't talking about workers, you don't care about them and you don't know what is work like.
"In communism, 100% of the workers will be getting paid the same amount anyway - NOTHING! How is using communism going to make workers any more motivated? If that top 1% in the company isn't focused on making profits, they aren't going to be pushing their employees to actually work efficiently! In capitalism, the motivation that employees have is that if they don't work hard enough, they get fired!" Wrong in every way, don't talk about communism if you don't know anything about it, go read some books fucking idiot.
"YES! FUCKING YES, IT DID! DO YOU LIVE UNDER A FUCKING ROCK?" No and i don't in a wonderland like you.
"The fact that you have to use "probably" proves to me that you have no clue what you're talking about, and are just making things up off the top of your head to try and justify yourself." The probably was sarcastic LMAO, btw that isn't a proper answer to what i said nt.
"A public service can still be a monopoly.
Monopoly definition - "the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service." Whether the people in control are focused on profit is irrelevant."
Did i contest it was a monopoly ? NO nt. You can't even make the difference between a private company and a public service so good job for showing how much of an idiot you are.
"You are actually trying to make yourself out to be an intelligent person but you say "blablabla" instead of actually arguing back. Even more evidence that you're a kindergartner. Moron." Stay mad, i spoke the truth.
"Of COURSE they fucking do. If the company is producing shit products, they're not going to make any more money, are they?" The average shareholding last 22 seconds. NT
"Yes it does! That money gets invested into the company and makes it better!" 2 IQ. They want their money back nearly immediatly. A lot of them destroys companies by selling them in small parts and stuff, so they earn their money back in a very short-time. You seem to live in a wonderland really.
"I DIDN'T say that I think we need them. Again, read what I write." You wrote : "I'd never heard of a happiness manager until now, but surely this is something you would like? Employers looking after the welfare of their employees?". I think it says it all you uncultured kid.
"But communism is all about making employees happy? So communism would be doing the exact same thing? Also, do you even know what the word alienate means?" Earlier i wrote : "Wrong in every way, don't talk about communism if you don't know anything about it, go read some books fucking idiot." it still applies right now.
"All I get is some book. Not a list of what jobs are actually bullshit. So in this case, Google is not my friend." Buy glasses (if you can, because maybe your medicare ain't that good).
"What? That's it? You think that just saying the same word 3 times actually proves your point? Try again, kindergartner!" It doesn't change the fact that you are naive.
"A company is getting punished for doing something that you hate and you think that that isn't great? If a murder gets put in jail, do you just say "that's a bad thing, because it means that people are still murdering"?"
It isn't great. In a good society, you're supposed to prevent not punish. But thanks, it shows what kind of "society" you are into.
"I don't think Apple is the only one doing it. But you seem to think that every capitalist company is doing it, which isn't true." Did i said that ? NO. All of you rightists just making up things...
"Yes, they do. I have already explained this in this reply." And i already proved that you're wrong.
"Ok, but explain how communism would provide any of this? Because you have utterly failed thus far." I already wrote, and it still true : "Wrong in every way, don't talk about communism if you don't know anything about it, go read some books fucking idiot."
"Look at obesity rates and then think that people want to eat healthy." HAHA you just stepped in the wrong garden budy. First, you imply that every people think the same because of an "obesity rate". Then you are acting like that's what people wants, to be obese but it's actually not true for most of them. You don't know that you can make way healthier burgers or drinks than mcdonalds' for around the same or a better taste. People will want this but companies doesn't because what the they want is to make more money, and if by that it means they have to lower the qualty of their products to do it, they will do it. The food industry is a perfect exemple of this.
"Your job is secure if you work hard enough. Therefore people are motivated to work harder than in communism, where you just get given a job no matter what." NAIVE AF HAHA none of this is true. Like i said before, some shareholders just want to have their money back and so destroy industries by selling them in small parts. Some of them outsources their companies because there is always someone who will work harder than you for less in this world. So having a job and keeping it doesn't have anything to do with working hard and even if that was the case, it will just make every workers poorer in the long run (we can't already see the beginnings today).
"What? Again, how would communism make the same job less stressful? And what the fuck are you talking about with hostage taking?" More security of work means less stressfull so it's a yes already. But to ad, i would that less time of work would also improve this part. And yes, it's hostage-taking if you have zero protections for the workers and so they have to beg to the riches to let them give you money so you can eat and stuff. It's a metaphor of capitalism.
"Mine sound like they don't come from a fairytale world. And again, do you even know what alienated means?" Yes i know what to alienate means and that's a big difference between people searching for solutions and people eating capitalism's fairytale everyday.
"No, that's not how the real world works. I meant what I said, and what I said was correct." It wasn't nt.
"You seem to be calling me naive a lot, so I'm going to just destroy your entire argument.
Are YOU really naive enough to think that the people at the top in communism will actually end up working for the benefit of society, and not ultimately for their own benefit?" NT you believe that communism can't match with direct democracy, that's not true. But what is sure is that capitalism can't match at all with direct democracy or it will end up transforming into communism. That's why none of the people currently at the head of a country would give more power to the people. Because what you said, the fact that they work for their own benefits, is already true, in his very capitalist world. NAIVE
"I am not going to waste any more of my time on entertaining your childish fantasies. This is my final reply. Just read this instead." Ilya Somin LMAO
tl;dr : NT Thatcher