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Gain muscles in deficit
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Russia Iroquois_Pliskin 
2020-02-21 08:14
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#1
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Ahh yes I see... Hmm...
2020-02-21 08:24
#2
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Turkey Slapdash 
Body recomp doesn't necessarily means calorie deficit
2020-02-21 08:25
Yes it does...
2020-02-21 18:00
#87
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United Kingdom Hammondo 
No it doesn't.
2020-02-22 08:05
you can recomp with maintenance or slight surplus
2020-02-22 08:18
If you're not in a deficit you're not losing fat. This is basic, surplus means you're taking in more calories than you're burning. If that's the case then it's impossible to be losing fat.
2020-02-22 09:46
You can get more defined if you did a lot more cardio while doing muscle. NOT just muscle.
2020-02-22 08:25
Of course it's possible, gaining muscles and gaining weight are different things.
2020-02-21 09:04
too complicated just take steroids
2020-02-21 09:10
Flag checks out
2020-02-21 09:18
I know it was a joke, but building muscles will not be easy just using roids xD
2020-02-21 10:54
#73
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Reunion Mnam_do_pici 
wrong
2020-02-21 17:46
Are you really saying that using roids = ez muscles? lmao
2020-02-21 17:59
Yes, studies show that taking roids without exercising leads to building muscles faster than working out 2-3 times a week, not sure but i think it's Jeremy Ethier on youtube that made a video about it
2020-02-21 18:09
LOL that's one of the silliest things that i ever read, using roids will not make you gain muscles from nothing, you still need to do exercices bro :)
2020-02-21 18:14
Wrong. A group who didn’t exercise for 10 weeks gained 7 pounds of lean muscle with steroids only Check out Nicks Strength And Power’s video on this
2020-02-22 08:21
#85
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Reunion Mnam_do_pici 
+1
2020-02-21 18:51
Its actually not hard. The 2 hards parts is 1. Actually going to the gym 2. Being Patient
2020-02-22 08:26
Its possible but it takes longer and much harder But bulking is so good for pull ups, because when you cut and lose all weight your max no of reps explodes
2020-02-21 09:13
If you train naturally then gaining MUSCLE mass (whether lean or bulking) is long and hard process anyway (unless you're beginner), so I don't think there is a BIG difference.
2020-02-21 09:49
Bulking isnt that hard if u eat enough and train hard
2020-02-21 10:11
I didn't say bulking is hard. People start bulking, get bigger and naively think that they gained mostly muscles and they will have all this "muscle" mass after they lose fat and water.
2020-02-21 10:18
What do you know? You look like a scrawny crack head / schoolshooter with that long gay hair, get smacked around in school much?
2020-02-21 17:42
Kek.
2020-02-21 17:43
Ye you posted a pic a long time ago and i happen to have a crazy memory, sorry for being rude tho it was uncalled for.
2020-02-21 17:44
Not too long ago, probably less than a year. I don't see anything rude in your comment, it's just your opinion, so don't need to sorry for that, everything is fine.
2020-02-21 17:46
Oh, then you must of posted again or something, cuz i remember from 2017
2020-02-21 17:50
hltv.org/forums/threads/2124577/send-pic.. But I also posted a photo some years ago when I was bald. xD
2020-02-21 17:52
Oh you dont look bad anymore, the pic im talking about was different, no beard and longer hair
2020-02-21 17:54
I've never had long hair without beard though. I grew beard 6+ years ago and never shaved it, long hair I have for only 4-5 years.
2020-02-21 17:56
Hmm ok maybe it was jovik then
2020-02-21 17:59
Wtf men))
2020-02-21 18:01
eat your proteins bruv
2020-02-21 09:19
If you use some UG gear ofc it is possible, or you come back after a long rest and on muscle memory, you gain muscle
2020-02-21 09:20
So are you saying that you can't build muscle is a deficit?
2020-02-21 10:51
On deficit you can gain muscle in 2 scenarios: You use gear (a lot of mg a week) You have not trained for a long time
2020-02-21 11:32
Very important information, thanks broooo
2020-02-21 09:25
Roids roids roids!
2020-02-21 10:17
gaining in deficit is impossible for advanced gym-goers without steroids. only starters with a lot of bodyfat can manage this.
2020-02-21 10:25
i can asure all this shit u have going on in the fkin fitness industry, its complete bullshit. its just one hell of a money making business. if people actually knew how to gain muscle, they would fkin eat 5kg of salad a day. nutrients are so much much more important than calories.
2020-02-21 10:31
" if people actually knew how to gain muscle, they would fkin eat 5kg of salad a day." you have braindamage?
2020-02-21 10:31
well i did study sport science and nutrition. so i can tell u if ur have insulin higher than potassium it will take u soooo much more fkin time growing muscles. so in 5kg of salad everyday u would create a insulin resistance within 1 month and then all u would need is proteins and healthy fats and a deficit is not needed no more.
2020-02-21 10:33
bullshit
2020-02-21 10:34
well, u can keep pumping ur money into something u muscle cells dont even 60% absorb cuz u'r insulin levels are too high. but if u wanna gain, eat potassium rich food and lift the heaviest u can for hypertrophy.
2020-02-21 10:37
blablabla 50kg nerd did too much research and went on the wrong path.
2020-02-21 10:38
mostly when people insult others, they just reflecting their own, so mayb a chance ur that 50kg nerd? but keep believing that u need deficit.
2020-02-21 10:40
proficit*
2020-02-21 10:41
you sound like one these newfags who hit the gym for the first time and think they are supersmart after doing some research. practically your stupid arguments dont matter.
2020-02-21 10:42
Does the guy from the videos also sound so?
2020-02-21 10:44
i didnt even watch it. fitness youtubers are the biggest money whores. they arent trustworthy. already the thumbnail makes me cringe.
2020-02-21 10:48
> i didnt even watch it. Ok, makes sense.
2020-02-21 10:49
not worth it. 1. the thumbnail is already some fake shit. he is closer to the camera with better lighting and more pump. 2. you dont build muscles in a cut, when you are ADVANCED like him. this is only possible if you JUST STARTED working out and carry a lot of fat with you.
2020-02-21 10:51
> this is only possible if you JUST STARTED working out Define "just started".
2020-02-21 10:54
you are 120kg fat fuck and start working out+ diet (deficit) you will build muscles. 60kg ectomorph starts working out + diet (deficit) he wont build any significant muscles and feel like shit all the time. same goes for advanced people.
2020-02-21 10:59
Strength training and positive energy intake are the most important factors related to lean body mass (LBM) gain. Most studies investigating weight-gain interventions are based recreationally active subjects and less is known about optimal weight-gain protocols in elite athletes. The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effect of nutritional guidance in an 8- to 12-week weight-gain period in elite athletes. Thirty-nine elite athletes were randomised to either a 'nutritional counseling group' (NCG, n=21, 19.1±2.9 years, 70.9±8.9 kg) or 'ad libitum group' (ALG, n=18, 19.6±2.7 years, 75.0±5.9 kg). All athletes continued their sport-specific training which included an additional four strength-training sessions per week. NCG followed a meal plan providing a positive energy balance, while the ALG athletes had an ad libitum energy intake. Body weight (BW), body composition, one repetition maximum (1RM), 40 m sprint and counter movement jump (CMJ) were measured pre- and post-intervention. Energy intake was higher in the NCG than in the ALG (3585±601 vs. 2964±884 kcal) and consequently BW increased more in NCG than in ALG (3.9±0.6% vs. 1.5±0.4%). Fat mass (FM) increased more in NCG than in ALG (15±4 vs. 3±3%), but gain in LBM was not different between groups. All 1RM results improved in both groups (6-12%), whereas 40 m sprint and CMJ remained unchanged, except for a significant decrease in 40 m sprint for the athletes in NCG. Athletes with nutritional guidance increased BW more, however, excess energy intake in a weight-gain protocol should be considered carefully due to undesirable increases in body fat. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23679146 Study from the video description.
2020-02-21 11:02
tl:dr
2020-02-21 11:13
Elite athletes. First group calorie surplus. Second group calorie deficit. Both gained the same amount of lean body mass. First group gained more fat and body weight.
2020-02-21 11:22
two options 1. bullshit study 2. elite athletes are on drugs. all of them.
2020-02-21 11:27
Or 3. it's actually possible to gain muscles on deficit even if you are advanced athlete.
2020-02-21 11:31
no
2020-02-21 11:32
xD
2020-02-21 11:44
#94
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World Beard43 
There was no deficit group in the study. The study itself is fine, this guy is full of shit.
2020-02-22 08:50
#93
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World Beard43 
I'm not sure if you're lying or just didn't understand the study? It was nutritional intervention vs ad libitum. One group were directed to eat a significant surplus, the other ate whatever they wanted. There was no deficit group.
2020-02-22 08:49
Ok, my bad then.
2020-02-22 08:54
I am ectomorph and I was 58-59 kg with 12% body fat when I started working out. I have been eating slightly under my maintenance, also did sh*t ton of cardio 6-7 times a week and after a year I'm 70 kg with 10% body fat now. And I was not even focussed on gaining muscle mass, lol.
2020-02-22 08:05
if the guy really studied this 2 things, you just make yourself look stupid u know that right? and this is also why people hate the gym community because there are a bunch of retards like you, calling someone non lifter newfag lifter like wtf dude
2020-02-21 10:53
newfag lifter isnt a nonlifter. he didnt study these things, thats forsure and most importantly even though he is right about the fact that you can tweak your insulin resistence. its PRACTICALLY irrelevant. calories are the only factors that matter.
2020-02-21 10:56
i think we really underevalue the fact that high cortisol and insulin levels will reduce ur muscle mass drastically. a person without stress and high blood sugar will easily gain in a deficit for a long time.
2020-02-21 11:04
ofc, its possible. basically all u need to grow muscle is protein,potassium and trace minerals. and if u consume shit loads of this u can also gain muscles in a deficit.
2020-02-21 10:28
only newfags
2020-02-21 10:30
+1.
2020-02-21 10:34
#96
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World Beard43 
You literally need energy to survive, to think and to move. If you only eat protein and minerals etc. you can still gain muscle if you have plenty of fat to fuel yourself, but if you're lean your body will use the protein to make glucose for fuel, so if you're in a deficit you will not gain muscle. If your deficit is too large and you completely run out of fat reserves, your body will actually catabolise muscle to create energy, aka starvation.
2020-02-22 09:06
Just work out hard and eat a nutrient rich diet and avoid shit processed food, sugar, and too much alcohol and you will look great...who gives a fuck about gaining unless you are a pro body builder
2020-02-21 10:42
You will never gain muscle in a deficit if you are an intermediat/advanced lifter. Whoever tells you otherwise is bullshitting you or is on steroids. I`ve been lifting for 10 years now, did a shit-ton of research and its not possible. But people always want to reinvent the wheel and most of the time its because they want to sell you something. When you cut some of your fat, you will always look "bigger" and rounder, but thats because you reveal more of the muscle that was beneath the fat. Stick to the basics, they are called the basics for a reason, once you have 5+ years experience then you can get into details.
2020-02-21 10:47
the funny part its not the calories that make the muscle grow is it? its the protein and it's aminos, the minerals, the potassium. for the first 3 years u can gain for sure but when body reached its natural limit u should stop anyway cuz u will just look like a fkin pumped up cloud.
2020-02-21 10:49
Well, in the first years of lifting you get away with a lot of shit and still grow muscle, so thats not quite a good parameter to go with. You can do body recomp, but that is a more delicate thing to tackle and you have to to a lot of math and observing to get away with it, so much so that in my humble opinion, for somebody that goes to the gym to look decent, have a strong and healthy body its just not worth it.
2020-02-21 10:50
gym is the new heroin. people so obsessed with it they pump everything in their body and die.
2020-02-21 11:02
Yes, thats very trendy, especially since everybody wants to be an "influencer" whatever the fuck that means. They pump themselves up with juice and than give advice to people on youtube. Most of the time when you look at their form they don`t even know how to train, but hey, they look good so people listen to them right ? Its hard to realize which information is good and which is bad, especially when you are new into all of it.
2020-02-21 12:54
Your weight, height, bf %?
2020-02-21 11:04
fat,short,high. What difference does it make ?
2020-02-21 12:55
k.
2020-02-21 15:17
DIdn`t want to be rude, but when I first started working out I was a 135kg fat fuck at 16 years old, so my current stats might not be impresive although I have 10 years under my belt. You know, some people start from 0 in life, and then there are those that start from -100 and have to work a lot to get to 0 :)
2020-02-21 17:31
I don't think it's rude, if you have your reasons to don't answer or just don't want to -- I'm fine with that. I was just curious about your results because "lifting for 10 years" sounds like a pretty solid experience, especially if you study/research and thus know what you do.
2020-02-21 17:40
i saw a lot of muscle in one day i'm sweaty someone needs to bang me
2020-02-21 10:50
gym community got so cucked after it became mainstream...
2020-02-21 10:51
yea why some of them can't just go and stop let the world now how cool they are
2020-02-21 11:00
I really wonder how gladiators got so muscular from eating just beans and grains 2-3 times a day. they probably were not in a deficit :p gym lobby is fishy as fuck, just a guy who promotes and invested into vegan protein creates a movie about vegan bodybuilding. like wtf?
2020-02-21 11:10
What guy? What movie?
2020-02-21 11:13
gamechanger movie, literally a guy who invested 100 millions last year into a protein vegan stocks made this movie.
2020-02-21 11:22
> Presented by James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jackie Chan, Lewis Hamilton, Novak Djokovic and Chris Paul Which one? I saw the movie, there was some bullshit moments, but generally it was ok as for me.
2020-02-21 11:26
the movie director james cameron invested shit tons in stocks of vegan protein.
2020-02-21 13:02
Yeah, he's a nice guy.
2020-02-21 15:18
#55
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Denmark k1ngAiCoN 
It's easy to gain muscle while still being in a calorie deficit in the start
2020-02-21 11:29
why wouldnt it be possibly? fat and muscle are two different things.
2020-02-21 11:37
+1
2020-02-21 17:45
As a beginner its easy but as you get more experience it becomes less of an option - ive been doing this for my first 6 months of training
2020-02-21 17:52
As a beginner you gain muscles pretty fast to some extent but the more advanced you are the slower will become your gains (if you do not use roids of course) and it has nothing to do with calorie deficit/surpluss.
2020-02-22 08:10
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