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-karrigan a bad move?
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Everbody is saying that -karrigan was bad move from FaZe but it wasnt. Let me explain why: Faceit Major 2018 (hltv.org/events/3564/faceit-major-2018) FaZe was 0-2 in legend stage. Niko took the igl role and they went from 0-2 to 3-2. After that they went to Esl New York 2018 (hltv.org/events/3703/esl-one-new-york-20..) were karrigan was the IGL again. They lost to a not that good NRG (hltv.org/news/24912/nrg-see-off-faze-in-..) and to a really bad G2 (hltv.org/news/24901/g2-shock-faze-in-thr..) After this the team was probalby not trusting in karrigan anymore. And karrigan lost his IGL confidents so i think it was better for FaZe and Karrigan to split. If karrigan stayed longer it was not gonna be better. Now in mousesports karrigan got new talent and new motivatie and ChrisJ can help him with IGL.
2020-02-22 23:07
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yes no maybe
2020-02-22 23:07
i don't know
2020-02-22 23:12
#31
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Australia Dadecum 
can you repeat the question
2020-02-22 23:22
what??
2020-02-22 23:26
#56
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Poland kruky 
You fucked up man
2020-02-22 23:53
and I like it!
2020-02-22 23:55
#136
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Portugal EMBERj 
youre not the boss of me now
2020-02-23 17:31
and you're not so big
2020-02-23 17:52
#153
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
big pretty bad team
2020-02-23 17:54
kk listen, CRUC1AL ist overrated
2020-02-23 17:56
Simple my ride dude.
2020-02-23 18:16
#166
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Who is overrating him?
2020-02-23 18:32
He is the pride of the Netherlands
2020-02-23 18:38
#171
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
ChrisJ?
2020-02-23 19:11
The prince of the netherlands
2020-02-23 19:55
#179
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
The king* Petra is the queen
2020-02-23 20:13
Petra is cute af
2020-02-23 22:29
#181
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
+1
2020-02-23 22:37
#145
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United Kingdom sufyy 
name checks out
2020-02-23 17:46
Ok
2020-02-22 23:07
#4
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Flair checks out
2020-02-22 23:08
#65
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United States tenki_cs 
Astralis
2020-02-23 00:18
BIG >>>>>> Astralis
2020-02-23 10:19
#116
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United States tenki_cs 
Flair checks out
2020-02-23 10:22
imagine have this kind of username
2020-02-23 10:14
#114
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
xd
2020-02-23 10:15
wdym
2020-02-23 10:54
#3
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
oh pretty bad london btw. ''Motivatie' 'omegalul
2020-02-22 23:08
#146
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United Kingdom sufyy 
xdddddddddddddddddddddddd
2020-02-23 17:46
#147
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
I legit said the dutch word for motivation
2020-02-23 17:47
#149
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United Kingdom sufyy 
"muscle memory"
2020-02-23 17:49
#5
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Argentina fedezera 
Karrigan best igl after gla1ve
2020-02-22 23:09
#6
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Thats not the point lol
2020-02-22 23:10
Flashpoint?
2020-02-22 23:27
#68
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Argentina fedezera 
i guess he meant Endpoint
2020-02-23 02:53
#83
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Argentina Joedash 
I think he meant HostPoint.
2020-02-23 04:07
#94
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Vietnam thachsinh 
think so gla1ve > karrigan cuz better aim
2020-02-23 04:34
No they didn't not trust him "after that" they didn't trust him before it. He said in interviews that the team questioned ever call of his which obviously can't work. Removing Karrigan made sense because God Emperor Niko didn't listen to his calls anyways but slapping Niko in the face and telling him to listen would have been better
2020-02-22 23:10
enjoying the hate train of niko ha? expected from germans only talk no actual proof
2020-02-22 23:13
#12
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
+1
2020-02-22 23:13
already watch it he said the team didnt trust him anymore not that niko is the problem
2020-02-22 23:15
He said "people questioned his calls" and who took the igl role from him and wanted to igl? Niko
2020-02-22 23:16
"people" multiple -olofmeister -guardian -niko maybe rain btw who should took it? rain? guardian? or olofmeister?
2020-02-22 23:17
Yeah no shit dude he is not going to say "Niko was a spoiled brat that cried about every call I made" in a public video. Learn to read between the lines
2020-02-22 23:20
still no proof that niko has big ego i love it keep on the hate train
2020-02-22 23:21
This is not a court lol, I can form my opinion without definitive proof
2020-02-22 23:30
in simple words you are biased pretty simple btw i will use your logic s1mple has ego because he kicked guardian 2 times
2020-02-22 23:32
You seem to not know what biased means. How is that "using my logic"???
2020-02-22 23:33
your opinion is biased "I can form my opinion without definitive proof" "i am stupid and i cantfind any proof to fit my bias"
2020-02-22 23:36
#63
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
You are getting out smart by this russian dude
2020-02-23 00:03
#82
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Netherlands arTvamp 
Haha indeed.
2020-02-23 04:06
he is stupid biased person
2020-02-23 18:39
#170
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
+1
2020-02-23 19:11
#85
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Argentina Joedash 
German, just so u know, NiKo and Karrigan are friends and have a good relationship, and u can know that just with their tweets and IG stories. BTW, after some point, not even karrigan trusted his calls. His calls were bad at that time, and made faze lose games. If you reject that fact, go, watch Boston or any other faze game with karrigan leading the team(ofc inn 2018).
2020-02-23 04:10
Karrigan did say his calls were bad in Boston final but he never "didn't trust his own calls"
2020-02-23 10:24
#135
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Argentina Joedash 
Its a way of saying, he said his calls werent good, and that made the decition to kick him from the team because, an IGL that cant even frag(cause karrigan couldnt frag a bit in that time) and now cant even call well doesnt work for the team.
2020-02-23 17:28
#137
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
+9999999999
2020-02-23 17:34
He never said that his calls in general were bad because his calls in general weren't bad. He said they were bad in 1 match
2020-02-23 17:39
#159
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Argentina Joedash 
He said his IGL wasnt being rlly good the last tournament and because of that, NiKo took temporarily the IGL role, which worked pretty well on NY. After that, he got kicked of the him, now i dont say it was a good decition, but for the sake of faze and karrigan it ended up well. Karrigan in a rlly good team, and the Niko's ego getting rekt by the results of 2019 making faze come back to live in 2020, atleast it feels like that.
2020-02-23 18:02
#138
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
+1
2020-02-23 17:34
#23
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
The team trusted NiKo more. Because they won if NiKo was calling. They went from 0-2 to 3-2 and won Epicenter with Niko as IGL. And when karrigan was the IGL they got destroyed by a bad G2 and NRG
2020-02-22 23:17
1. They played shit teams after they went 0-2 2. They went 0-2 in the first place because "the team" didn't trust the calls 3. You are taking the fact that they lost games after they already didn't trust the calls as a reason for them to not trust the calls which doesn't make sense
2020-02-22 23:22
#141
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
1. Shit teams? Mousesports (with snax, styko and sunny) was not bad. G2 was maybe bad but they won against them with NiKo as IGL and they lost against G2 the next event with karrigan IGL. They also played very close against astralis in the playoffs hltv.org/matches/2326424/astralis-vs-faz.. 2. Ofcourse you are not trusting bad calls. youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4367&v=A..
2020-02-23 17:40
1. Yes they were bad 2. Again, you are taking the fact that they lost WHILE NOT LISTENING TO HIS CALLS as a reason to not listen to his calls. 3. They literally didn't have time to do anything else and Guardian ran into the site before the molo landed??? Do you think Karrigan told him to do so? Besides, I could link you 1 clip of a bad call by Niko now and by your logic that would mean Niko is a bad caller
2020-02-23 17:43
#144
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
1. So astralis is a bad team?! xdddd 2. You are talking out of your ass. Cuz you don't even know if people are listing to his calls or not. Cuz we dont have any comms. Karrigan could maybe said something like that but its still no proof
2020-02-23 17:46
1. Did they win against Astralis? 2. How am I talking out of my ass? You linked a round where they had 20 seconds left on the clock and were outside B. Would Niko have made the call to type "noclip" into console and fly towards A or what? And the fact that we don't have comms invalidates your whole argument like wtf think for a second. You blame Karrigan for a bad call and then turn around and say "we don't know what Karrigan called"
2020-02-23 17:49
#152
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
1. Nah but close at that time was already good 2. We know karrigan was the IGL then. So we know he made the calls that what a IGL is doing right? But we dont know who is listing to the calls and who is trusting the calls. And if the team is not trusting his calls there is a reason for right? Because they trusted him at first.
2020-02-23 17:53
Yes there was a reason for it and he explained it in his Dexerto interview. The team expected to go back to their old form when Olof came back but since a lot had changed they weren't as succesful as before Olof left so they started doubting his calls. It was because of too high expectations
2020-02-23 17:57
#20
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Ofcourse you are not trusting karrigan anymore after faceit major 2018 and new york 2018
2020-02-22 23:16
#18
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
You actually think im gonna watch 58 minute video
2020-02-22 23:15
You told me to link you the interview. When you go out of your way to create this thread then at least make sure you have every point of view available
2020-02-22 23:18
#26
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Just send me the time he is saying that xd
2020-02-22 23:18
I don't know were exactly it is
2020-02-22 23:19
#11
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Send me the interviews
2020-02-22 23:13
+1
2020-02-22 23:14
+1111111111111
2020-02-23 10:27
#8
s0m | 
United States joke_cs 
all you need to look at is Mousesports ranking and tournament wins and Faze ranking and tournament wins. Not a difficult thing to understand
2020-02-22 23:11
#16
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Lol thats not the point im trying to make. Ofcourse mousesports is better. But if karrigan was staying in FaZe for a longer time. It was not gonna be better. So its good for karrigan that he found a new team
2020-02-22 23:15
#34
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African Union remiska 
tbh should have just kicked niko, get some young player
2020-02-22 23:23
#72
Aleksib | 
Finland Mamppa 
Niko is doing pretty well
2020-02-23 03:06
#76
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African Union remiska 
oh yea 2019 faze was a great team kappa
2020-02-23 03:56
#87
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Argentina Joedash 
2020 faze is a gr8 team tbh
2020-02-23 04:12
#99
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India _Jazz_ 
NiKo doing well doesn't mean FaZe will do good too. A team is made of 5 players.
2020-02-23 05:10
#142
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Thnx men, i was thinking a team was 1 player the hole time!!!
2020-02-23 17:43
Well the real question is whether Faze was performing poorly at the end because of Karrigans calls or whether it was because of internal drama and people questioning his calls.
2020-02-22 23:41
#49
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Ofcourse you questioning his calls. If you look back at the matches its bad calling from karrigan. youtu.be/AtbOd8-Ey0c?t=4363 Going to A site with that time? Karrigan was the IGL here btw
2020-02-22 23:50
If i had the time to look through all the poor calls and all around messy rounds led by Niko i could probably make a 24h compilation. Stating "bUT ThEy WoN ePiCenTeR wItH NiKo" doesnt rly means he was the better caller as they played horrible for the majority of time under his leadership
2020-02-22 23:54
#60
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Ofcourse NiKo isnt better than Karrigan in IGLing. But at that moment he was. And now Coldzera and YNK are helping him. With Adren on FaZe NiKo was shit IGL. But its getting better with cold now
2020-02-22 23:59
#88
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Argentina Joedash 
The difference here is that karrigan is a full dedicated IGL, while NiKo in that time wasnt. If we talk about the worst IGLs here, allu is the one, since they kicked aleksiB and now they dont even win against MIBR or gen.G, while faze won twice against Liquid, doesnt matter if liquid is a washed up team, they are in the top unlike MIBR or Gen.G.
2020-02-23 04:14
Yeah, karrigan wasn't a very good fit it seems
2020-02-22 23:16
#25
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
He was in the beggining. But later on he wasnt anymore
2020-02-22 23:18
#84
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Netherlands arTvamp 
He was with rain, kioshima, allu, niko. For a brief moment at the start with guardian and olofmeister as well but one could write that off as a honeymoon period. I think karrigan made a mistake to kick those two but then again ENCE wouldnt of happened. Which made a mistake as well by kicking aleskib xD but they did have a nice dream run. If it werent for this and the new mousport roster and perhaps faze landing on his feet now. It might just exactly be how it needed to go to get from A to B. oh how decision and lifepaths goes : )
2020-02-23 04:13
yeah but he does much more than just fragging. His coordination and understanding of the game is very good. That is exactly what faze was lacking in the beginning. Now everything is working out for them as well as for mouz so win win :)
2020-02-22 23:20
+karrigan by mouz is a good transfer and yeah they beat astralis in bo5 meanwhile faze just bad
2020-02-22 23:23
fnatic* astralis in bo3
2020-02-22 23:25
#50
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
They beat astralis in bo5?!?!? Lol
2020-02-22 23:52
#89
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Netherlands arTvamp 
Also it was a fluke for mouz to win that d2 game against Astralis that time! Im not saying they couldnt do it again now regularly but at that time Astralis threw that d2 game thinking ahead of themselves, thinking they where there already very uncharacteristic of them. as this is the team that keeps their composure always! So even Astralis when they where tired can slack off a time. it shows they are human.
2020-02-23 04:17
#100
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India _Jazz_ 
Might be true, but win is win.
2020-02-23 05:14
no shit sherlock just kidding it was a bad move
2020-02-22 23:25
#51
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
nt baiter
2020-02-22 23:52
btw, source of niko taking the lead after the 0-2
2020-02-22 23:27
#41
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Romania decis1ve 
everybody in faze said that. Even the casters said that at the faceit major u could clearly see niko was talking more.
2020-02-22 23:32
ok but i want the sources
2020-02-22 23:32
the problem isn't karrigan but FaZe not trusting him rain is the only player that understands they fucked up NiKo sucks at IGLing
2020-02-22 23:33
Ty
2020-02-23 02:53
#91
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Netherlands arTvamp 
That could very well be. Time will tell. It could also have to do with karrigans style of ingame leading as it starts to become a pattern considering his carrier. Seeing he had the luxury of being with talent (TSM aka Astralis, FaZe and now Mousesports) Where one could argue that any ingame leader they would listen too and buy into his system with some level of understand of the game would suffice. for a certain time period. aka Xist, MSL, Adren, golden etc eventho that could be false as well and karrigan could just be an good ingame leader that just had this pattern happen to him twice by coincidence and I should not bind to this conclusion yet. Saying he was just unlucky and lucky at the same time in his carreer. Unless the same happens at mousesports this time around. That shouldnt be the case now though since he doesnt have to deal with a solid core(dupree,xyp,device) that differ on viewing the game with him nor does he have to deal with the egos of previous legends (if that where a problem at all apart from Niko). No he deals with youngsters now where karrigan is the legend himself as IGL and with I presume a flexible ChrisJ. because that is how we dutchies usually are... but mind you not always. In conclusion it can go either way at this point and time will tell the story. Personally I dont like karrigan. and you could look at this way, so far the astralis core was right and luckily met glave. if Faze recovers now then they could of been right as well. although guardians slump should also have been taken into account outside the faze honeymoon period.
2020-02-23 04:30
#93
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Netherlands arTvamp 
Oh I should add lovely papa bear zonic when I mention the Astralis core <3 If you are reading sorry my friend, me and my wife love you : D
2020-02-23 04:38
#95
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Netherlands arTvamp 
NOTE: I cant simply say it this way. bringing it down this linear. there are too many factors that made it go down the way it did and im glad it did because I saw my favourite team dignitas bloom into Astralis wonderful legendary run : -D What I am saying is that Im not sold on karrigan being recognized as a good to TOP IGL. Im not buying it yet he has to proof himself to me. For all I care he might be Okey or nothing more then "just a good enough" IGL as the many IGLs and not 2nd best and people might be sleeping on that fact. I think he bluffs his way through a lot of stuff.
2020-02-23 04:40
#52
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Im gonna find it wait a minute
2020-02-22 23:52
yes, long term 100%, but faze was looking for a short term solution
2020-02-22 23:33
#57
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Maybe YNK got help karrigan a bit more then robban. But idk what else could help karrigan on that moment
2020-02-22 23:55
#61
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Estonia dagnar 
It was good for mousesports
2020-02-22 23:59
#62
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
True. Karrigan needed young talent to develop. And mouz got that
2020-02-23 00:00
#97
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Netherlands arTvamp 
Perhaps. time will tell.
2020-02-23 04:42
#102
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India _Jazz_ 
I think they have already proved that.
2020-02-23 05:17
I agree, it was the necessary cut (if you intended to keep olof rain and guardian), but the moves after that cut were horrendous. I know they looked solid in that blast group but I really doubt that'll last.
2020-02-23 00:17
#66
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
There was no good IGL outside of aleksib. So i think this was pretty good option. Broky and Coldzera are not bad at all. But the adren & neo move were horrible
2020-02-23 01:01
Broky is literally some random FPL player that they could sign for free. The org just got lucky, they threw enough shit at a wall.
2020-02-23 03:41
The broky coldzera moves felt better than the others it seemed like they had a plan going into it and it's working decently well so far
2020-02-23 10:30
TLDR No. Just no.
2020-02-23 02:54
#70
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United States sorcrcrc 
nice thorin-level analysis
2020-02-23 02:58
#71
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United States porcupine2020 
tbh i believe the team just had too much star power to trust him more. They had already failed at eleague boston and was beginning to slump from their prior late 2017 and early 2018 form. They questioned karrigan's ability to IGL as they exhausted most of their tactics so the replacement of NiKo as the IGL led to new tactics and new success.
2020-02-23 03:01
Faze still play cs?
2020-02-23 03:09
yeah top 1 soon
2020-02-23 03:42
Did they get moved to the female scene?
2020-02-23 04:18
tldr;
2020-02-23 03:57
#78
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United Kingdom dxy^ 
No no no, The system faze used in the Faceit Major was Niko Mid round calling on T side, Karrigan calling for CT and round start on T. The same system that mousesports is using right now. Woxic is midround calling alongside karrigan. The difference is that mousesports like the system and keep it and play amazing unlike FaZe where NiKO's ego was off the roof and wanted to take IGL off karrigan. If FaZe kept playing like that then they would be equal to Mousesports level right now.
2020-02-23 04:00
#110
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
This is such bullshit. Any sources?
2020-02-23 10:04
#134
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United Kingdom dxy^ 
The sources are mousesports playing, specifically CAC, You can woxic is calling mid round with a bunch of notes infront of him. This brings us to only assume that karrigan is main igl as we can hear the voice comms from esl with woxic also mid round calling.
2020-02-23 13:41
No way they would be as good as mousesports considering how much guardian and olof lost their form in like mid-late 2018 to the end of 2019
2020-02-23 10:32
#79
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Netherlands arTvamp 
Makes sense +1 could be
2020-02-23 04:03
Just see where's karrigan's team right now and where's faze on hltv ranking. And how many tournament they won after the break up.
2020-02-23 04:03
#103
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India _Jazz_ 
If karrigan didn't go to Mouz, where would FaZe be? Where would Mouz be rn? I believe decision made by both FaZe clan (to bench karrigan) and karrigan (to join Mouz) were good.
2020-02-23 05:22
Karrigans awful calls lost them vs clown9 Wouldn’t trust him either
2020-02-23 04:04
#109
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
especially the call to run into b with a few sec left. Karrigan gets nervous in the major because its his life goal to win one. Now in mouz he has ChrisJ who is helping him more than people think. From a source i heard chrisj took over the igl at the final of CSGO Asia championship.
2020-02-23 10:03
#86
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Australia forsaken_exe 
Yes
2020-02-23 04:11
It has been a year. Let move on already. Karrigan is winning with Mouz so he couldn't care less about FaZe or their decision to kick him. Maybe in some way that decision helped him to be successful at Mouz. Good luck to NiKo and his super squad at FaZe.
2020-02-23 04:20
#108
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
I still see people calling it a bad move. And comparing it with Ence kicking Aleksib
2020-02-23 09:56
#96
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Other Zytoep 
I think keeping karrigan would've been preferable to getting adren and neo, the latter costing them the legends spot at berlin. but it's been a year now and both teams are doing pretty well.
2020-02-23 04:38
#107
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Removing karrigan was neseceary but they dindt find a good replacement at that time
2020-02-23 09:54
#98
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India _Jazz_ 
It definitely wasn't a bad move for FaZe. Nothing good will happen if you don't trust your teammates. I think the decision was good for karrigan himself. He found a perfect team. He is using the most out of Mouz players. And on the other hand, FaZe struggled in 2019 but are looking good now.
2020-02-23 05:03
#106
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Adren was really bad pickup Neo was not as bad as Adren but still bad Coldzera & Broky are looking good
2020-02-23 09:53
#169
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India _Jazz_ 
I agree.
2020-02-23 18:56
#101
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United States JoshDAA 
You should watch richard lewis’s interview with karrigan, karrigan goes in depth on the events before the kick
2020-02-23 05:14
it was a good move, both teams are better now
2020-02-23 05:23
#105
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
+1
2020-02-23 09:52
#111
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Finland Jodecast 
HAHAHAHAHHA Faze better now :DDDD
2020-02-23 10:06
#112
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Better than if they were keeping karrigan. But that wasnt even a option
2020-02-23 10:12
karrigan leaving faze was the best thing that happened to faze
2020-02-23 10:29
What a shitty post. You are bringing up what happened the last 2 months karrigan was in Faze. They started out winning 3 tournaments in a row when karrigan was applied. Faze players even said it was a mistake kicking karrigan afterwards.
2020-02-23 10:30
#127
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Only Rain said it was a mistake. And karrigan was good at the beggining of FaZe but it was not on the same level the last months. Flag checks out btw
2020-02-23 10:40
#123
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United Kingdom Bern1e 
Faze - non existent. Karrigan - top 2 team
2020-02-23 10:34
#160
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Flair checks out. Not the point btw
2020-02-23 18:02
#163
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United Kingdom Bern1e 
id like to see you beat 0.44 K/d on LAN m8. git gud. signed. Rejin fanboy
2020-02-23 18:09
#124
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United Kingdom Bern1e 
It’s the same situation as ence. Niko and allu have egos bigger than the sun. So they got them kicked and then sat idly by and watched the team crumble.
2020-02-23 10:36
#128
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Its not the same as Ence. Ence had no bad result. There last result with aleksib was a major playoff. FaZe had pretty bad results. Especially in Esl New York 2018
2020-02-23 10:42
#156
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United Kingdom Bern1e 
its the same situation as in it was the actions of one egotistical player usurping control of the team. Almost identical in that sense as allu and niko both think theyre gods of cs.
2020-02-23 17:59
man he is working out mouse..i m happy
2020-02-23 10:36
#126
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France kyojiNs 
Removing karrigan would be as stupid as ENCE removed aleksib
2020-02-23 10:40
#129
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Its not the same as Ence. Ence had no bad result. There last result with aleksib was a major playoff. FaZe had pretty bad results. Especially in Esl New York 2018
2020-02-23 10:42
#130
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France kyojiNs 
Oh sorry I didn't take the time to read the thread seriously , I thought you meant -karrigan in mouz and I didn't agree. In the FaZe situation I think the karrigan bench was a good move (also guardians bench was) because it was evident they had a lack of firepower/motivation. But the decisions FaZe took after are a completely mess (NiKo as a lead is the worst idea ever , they should have took aleksib after the Berlin major)
2020-02-23 10:51
#132
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
Yea they said aleksib was not gonna fit in the team. Idk why but they at least considerd it
2020-02-23 11:01
#133
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France kyojiNs 
I think it was due to his ENCE kick , maybe they thought he was lacking of firepower
2020-02-23 11:06
For anyone with half of brain it was obvious that karrigan as IGL does not work anymore. Despite that they have been wasting time with him for a year or longer. When they finally kicked him they started picking up washed up bots instead of trying to get actual IGL. Karrigan was the problem, but FaZe did not provide any real solutions, that is why they were bad after kicking karrigan. End of story.
2020-02-23 17:36
#148
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Netherlands Yourii 
True, but i still see people saying: WORST ROSTER MOVE EVER or SECOND WORST ROSTER MOVE AFTER ALEKSIB KICK
2020-02-23 17:49
They just judge by results without even trying to understand the reasons of FaZe's failures.
2020-02-24 17:34
that g2 was actually pretty decent. Would have been much better without smithzz
2020-02-23 18:00
#158
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Netherlands Yourii 
Ex6tenz underrated IGL but a really bad fragger. Bodyy & Smithzz are not good fraggers either. So it was just Shox & Kenny
2020-02-23 18:02
Idk bodyy was playing pretty well with ex6 If i remember right
2020-02-23 18:04
Look at Faze now compared to 2017. It was the wrong move.
2020-02-23 18:03
#164
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Europe trey_ 
tbh it was all about no trust being put in karrigan even before the faceit major, not sure if i recall correctly
2020-02-23 18:14
#172
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Sweden Onkov 
Not karrigan's fault that his teammates aren't fully trusting him.
2020-02-23 19:12
#175
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
It is. There is a reason why the aren't trusting him right?
2020-02-23 19:16
#176
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Sweden Onkov 
He has showed multiple times he's a trustworthy IGL. FaZe's team chemistry probably started to dip and so they blame the IGL.
2020-02-23 19:17
problem was they didnt get a replacement for him lol
2020-02-23 19:13
#174
rain | 
Netherlands Yourii 
True
2020-02-23 19:16
Yes/
2020-02-23 19:56
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