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Universal healthcare in america
why do you think it does not work ? why does people like ben shapiro keep calling nordic countries as communists/socialists when they are all capitalist and say it would not work in america ?
2020-02-23 22:09
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It is not people like Ben Shapiro that call Scandinavian countries socialist. It is the leftists that wanna brainwash people into thinking that the system they want to implement will work. But Bernie's got more regulations on businesses than Scandinavian countries.
2020-02-23 22:11
why would it not work ? how would it be bad to stop the profit driven healthcare ? bernie has no more regulations for businesses he just wants that basic human rights are not to be profited off of.
2020-02-23 22:13
I think it is more related to mentality. For example Bulgaria also has universal healthcare but is a poor and shit country. Scandinavian countries have built their legacy on good education and homogeneous population with similar culture and views. Some of them got lucky with a lot of natural resources as well. American education is a disaster except for some private universities.
2020-02-23 22:19
the homogeneous argument is honestly getting old. when talked about universal healthcare nordic countries are such a homogeneous countries but the next day they talk about how we are ran over by muslim immigrants ? WHICH IS IT ??? also bulgaria is just a wrongly handled country with too low tax rates compared to what they are paying out in welfare. on the contrary of bulgaria there is multiple countries who does it right for a decade and still work out.
2020-02-23 22:22
The corporate taxes here are low because of the wrecked business environment after the communism - the low taxes's purpose was to attract businesses. And honestly Bulgaria is not doing bad, the problems here are not the low taxes but the corrupted Government.
2020-02-23 22:25
so yeah you basically confirm that the universal healthcare isnt the problem, it is your government. cya.
2020-02-23 22:27
But you just said that Bulgaria is wrongly handled country because of low taxes?
2020-02-23 22:28
and you just said that corporate taxes are low. what do you even mean that the taxes are low after communism ? did your country die because they got free healthcare ?
2020-02-23 22:39
Australia isnt homogenous, and has universal health care
2020-02-24 00:11
Americans keep getting brainwashed into thinking that universal healthcare is communism XAXAXAXAXA im not kidding
2020-02-23 22:15
Noone thinks this way
2020-02-23 22:24
shapiro wants to know your location
2020-02-23 22:25
I dont like him, but could you link when he says that universal healthcare is socialism?
2020-02-23 22:25
calling nordic countries that have universal healthcare communist should already say enough. if it does not just google some videos about ben shapiro and nordic countries, i do not have a link ready on my clipboard for you now.
2020-02-23 22:35
He’s literally the opposite of the person calling universal healthcare socialism. He says the Scandinavian nations have a more capitalist economy with more social benefits. His argument against universal healthcare is that he’d rather have it be further privatized because the governments interference has led to the worst of universal healthcare mixed with the worst of private healthcare. He argues a more effective approach would be to remove government interference so the prices could be lowered and thus increase the people being covered.
2020-02-23 22:52
oh my fucking god you must not have seen any ben shapiro debates. jesus christ you are delusional.
2020-02-23 22:54
Ah ok I see your just another brain dead euro who can’t provide any sources and acts as though anything someone else says is automatically wrong if you disagree with it. Good luck living in your bubble.
2020-02-23 22:59
okay sorry that you are incapable of searching on your own. here is your link: this is nothing but a peek of on iceberg for ben shapiro calling nordic countries socialist/communist.
2020-02-23 23:12
That doesn’t even claim Ben Shapiro says what you claim. Are you that brain dead for real?
2020-02-23 23:57
Yeah this guy is weird, and I dont even like Shapiro to begin with. In the link Ben talks how Nordic countries are Social Democracies not Communists. This guy claims that:"calling nordic countries that have universal healthcare communist should already say enough" but Ben in the article provided says: "It would be more apt to call Nordic ownership of assets a model of state-run capitalism than of socialism per se." Yeah, he really thinks they are communists...
2020-02-24 13:55
Denmark fuze^ 
2020-02-24 22:51
left wing destroyed 😎😎😎
2020-02-25 00:22
It's actually sad how brainwashed they are.
2020-02-24 00:46
Look at the replies above you starting from #7 noone thinks this way.
2020-02-24 13:56
You poor brainwashed mutt.
2020-02-24 18:00
ad hominem, not an argument
2020-02-24 18:49
ok reddit tier pseudo intellectual
2020-02-24 20:31
+1 most rural/conservatives Americans are brainwashed
2020-02-24 20:33
United States TrashPanda 
Personally it can be done, and I want it done. I make good money, and very well off. I can go to private if I want. But medical debt sucked when I was 18-21 because I didn’t have insurance. Had over 8k in debt for hernia surgeries. Shit tanked my credit to. It’s horrible. The reason government (Senators/Congressmen) don’t want to do it is because most of them are backed by big Pharma. It’s truly corrupt and feel bad for people that can’t afford their needs. There’s people that straight up choose to suffer in pain because they can’t afford simple dentistry or need a surgery but can’t do it because it’s too expensive. I’m all for it, but will likely never happen because of the brain washed American people.
2020-02-23 22:22
then vote for bernie. atleast he is advocating for it and will try to make a difference. there is no need for people to suffer in america.
2020-02-23 22:24
United States TrashPanda 
I am. Even though I fear for his age, and congress fighting him tooth and nail over everything and not shit get done.
2020-02-23 22:48
Finland Miroyev 
Cause 'Murica spends too much money on military and don't have money to pay for basic welfare
2020-02-23 22:26
We spend 5x as much on healthcare than we do our military
2020-02-23 22:53
and you spend alot on your military. does that not say something ?
2020-02-23 22:55
We spend over 3 trillion on healthcare annually and we can’t afford universal healthcare right now. That should show you how universal healthcare isn’t a solution. It’s a wishlist.
2020-02-23 22:58
yeah you can not afford universal healthcare right now because you tax way too little. maybe stop spending so much on your military to invade other countries and make the citizens pay for the land. like i said there is nordic countries that pay way more taxes and are happy to do so because their contribution actually saves lives.
2020-02-23 23:07
I see you are another dumbass. I’d rather not be forced to spend my money on stuff I don’t need
2020-02-23 23:53
Finland Miroyev 
Not a single statistic I've seen has shown 5x more money spent on healthcare than military And regardless of that the USA spends by far the most money on military
2020-02-23 23:01
We spend 4% of our gdp on military. Check out current budget for Medicaid and Medicare. They add up to over 3 trillion.
2020-02-23 23:02
Finland Miroyev what I found here it's trillion on healthcare and 600 billion on military. Not that specific numbers matter that much, the issue is much more complex than that
2020-02-23 23:18
If you googled “us spending on healthcare” this is what you get: You’re actually that desperate to lie lmfao
2020-02-24 00:00
Finland Miroyev 
I'm not trying to lie, that's just what all charts and sites I found said. But like I said the issue is much more complex than specific numbers so no need to argue about it
2020-02-24 00:03
Oh sorry I though you were op. I get kinda mad about Bernie so please excuse my aggressiveness.
2020-02-24 00:04
Finland Miroyev 
Haha yeah no problem
2020-02-24 00:05
s1mple | 
Norway m0sifer 
because the prices are unreasonably inflated beyond reality. How come your country is 35th on in life expectancy if you spend that much.
2020-02-24 00:39
free healthcare is already a fkin mess here in my country and we have only 8 millions people. u wait almost 3 days to get a propper treatment while if u pay for private healthcare u dont even wait 20 minutes.
2020-02-23 22:28
yeah, imagine waiting for 3 days to ask your doctor if your flu is flu. if you have actual disease and urgent need for a doctor you will get in within hours. has austria had universal healthcare for 2 weeks or are you just trump lover ? also you pay the fraction of what you would pay in the "free" united of states.
2020-02-23 22:42
also what does the population have to do with this ? the more people you have the more tax money you get. it does not matter if you are a country of 1 million or 100 million the wealth of your country is equal to people living in it making your argument of lower population void.
2020-02-23 22:48
The problem is that her instead of waiting 3 days for treatment you just won’t get treatment
2020-02-24 20:35
I am against it for these reasons: 1. I believe the USA produces the greatest trained doctors on the planet. We do this because there is a demand for doctors. Universality would lessen this. 2. I would rather not have massively increased taxes 3. None of the current universal healthcare plans actually illustrate exactly how they’d force pharmaceutical companies to lower costs. Fact of the matter is that it’s expensive to research stuff. People need to recoup that cost 4. I don’t trust our government with my health. It’s as simple as that.
2020-02-23 22:57
1. no, you only produce the the most expensive doctors because of the corporate greed. how can you produce the best docs and still have worse ratio on dying children on birth. 2. you as a individual might not want to pay more taxes but for the safety of others, alot of other people are ready to pay more taxes. 3. you must be high. the universal healthcare plans are to give everyone healthcare at a low cost and pay for it with tax money. are you not reading any news ? 4. well that is your own belief and i can respect that but i bet you are ready to pay 200k for the simplest of surgeries and meds.
2020-02-23 23:02
1. We do indeed produce the best doctors. American doctors are a rare commodity and there’s a reason that even internationally it costs more to have an American trained doctor. It’s the same with dentists. If you wanna point out one statistic, what about our high 5 year cancer survival rate? 2. Source? I can’t think of anyone who would be happy to pay more money to the government 3. You still have to buy the medication dumbass. It’s just a change of who pays for it (which ultimately is the people in the end anyways). If you don’t lower the actual prices then why have any universality? 4. Name one surgery that costs 200k in the USA. I’ve had 3 surgeries in 3 years and none of them have costed more than 5 grand (most of which was covered by insurance anyways).
2020-02-23 23:07
1. yeah i bet they are a rare commodity, people dont want their children dead. 2. source ? bernie supporters ,cya. (he is thankfully winning rn btw) 3. okay so you are actually retarded ? ofc everyone has to buy medication but it is actually reasonably priced because the drug companies dont get to dictate that they are charging 10k for insulin that is worth 100 bucks. 4. haha yeah congratz on getting off of insurance that cost you 100k in premiums and deductibles. can i name a one surgery that cost more than 200k?` no but i can name surgeries that ended up costing the life time.
2020-02-23 23:22
Everything you just said was wrong I don’t really feel like explaining elementary level math so I encourage you to do research yourself
2020-02-24 00:03
1. I believe the USA produces the greatest trained doctors on the planet. We do this because there is a demand for doctors. Universality would lessen this. How would government subsidies reduce demand for doctors? Demand is determined by hey im sick. You looked like going down the route "well the free market is more efficient", which is incorrect with essential services being delivered more efficiently by the public sector. 2. I would rather not have massively increased taxes You wont have any increased taxes. You reallocate the budget In addition, your current healthcare system is more expensive than the latter 3. None of the current universal healthcare plans actually illustrate exactly how they’d force pharmaceutical companies to lower costs. Fact of the matter is that it’s expensive to research stuff. People need to recoup that cost Dude, the bare existence of Canada and the west makes that point invalid 4. I don’t trust our government with my health. It’s as simple as that. Fuck youre brainwashed Your government PAYS FOR IT, doesnt fucking provide it Why are you rooting for these big pharma companies because of this stupid insecurity to be seen as a leftie tard?
2020-02-24 00:30
for most people in the US, an approximate 18% (in comparison to Germany) of additional income tax doesn't make universal healthcare seem cheaper. As someone who only needs 2 physician check ups and 2 dental visits a year, I don't spend more than $1500 a year on healthcare. I'm talking about personal experience here. MOST people in the US don't have a problem with the healthcare system so there is less done about it. The people you see complain are usually the bottom 10% who make dumb decisions like having a baby with no job and no insurance.
2020-02-24 00:00
How can people be with okay with a risk on going bankrupt over health cost and/or having to cling to a job they hate to maintain their families health insurance. That is no freedom. You may say that on only spend so ans so on health care, but what happens if you get really sick?
2020-02-24 00:42
United States Galrik 
If you really get sick, you could face losing your job and then your healthcare plan that came with it leaving you uninsured and fucked and having to pay thousands to get treated. You usually have to pay thousands anyways because the insurance policies for most jobs sucks anyways. No matter what getting sick or having to visit a doctor in the US is going drain your bank account.
2020-02-24 01:08
I'm not sure how okay people would be if just because they made $50,000 a year that an additional 18% of their income would be deducted from their pay check. The reality is that the universal healthcare method is more of a future budgeting tactic with a name "tax" over it. If I took 18%+(1-5)%(Germany solidarity tax) of my income out every year for the rest of my life, I can pay for my kid's hospital bills and their college tuition very easily.
2020-02-24 02:50
It is damn hard to predict the future, there are chronic illnesses people can suffer from for decades where they pretty normal lives as long as they get medication and some checks and such. With some of those illnesses just the cost of medicine can be $100 a day or even more. Now I have not tried to do any of the complex math needed to see what it would mean for taxes in the US if universal healthcare becomes a thing, but two things are certain. A. Thinking 18% of ones paycheck will cover health care and college tuition "very easily" doesn't guarantee anything. For most it will, but not for everyone. B. Currently the US spends like double that of most nations on its healthcare - and that is with aprox. 10% without coverage, many more with insufficient coverage and many others with coverage where co-payments are insane. In other words there is enough money in the US health system to cover all right now, the trouble is the multi payer system makes for a inefficient and costly so a lot of the money right now goes to insurance companies and overpaying the medical sector.
2020-02-24 18:06
A. I never said it was supposed to guarantee anything, its not the purpose of my post. The point is that MOST people like I mean 80%-90% have jobs that are fully capable of paying for their own healthcare and insurance IF they decided to budget better. Many people in the US do not take into account their potential expenses so they always run paycheck to paycheck. It is not that hard to live in the US even with under $30,000 a year. College tuition was just adding to the point but its not something required at all and you can live a perfectly fine life if you start working at least a minimum wage job out of high school. The entire premise of the US is that you are responsible for yourself. Not the government, not your neighbor, not the millionaire down the block its you. As someone who makes a rather average income, taking out an additional 18% (its actually more like 20 now btw) of my income does not make anything cheaper for me and again if I feel like I need money to pay for an emergency medical situation, I have and will save up money at an early age for it. Again, I already saved up money for healthcare, so why the fuck would I vote to make my life harder? B. This is a problem related to a less regulated healthcare system, not because it isn't universal. I do agree the US should do better on regulating the price of for example, insulin. Lots of that money also goes to doctors. For example, Physicians in the US make pretty much double what they would make in Europe: (original source):
2020-02-24 22:48
USA healthcare is a scam, all they want is your money. The government make them think that their docs are the best in the world but no, only their equipment.
2020-02-24 00:08
Not to mention doctors give away opioids like they were m&ms. Whole systems fucked
2020-02-24 20:36
Please let the Americans keep their overpaying for healthcare, them doing so funds a lot of the worlds medical companies meaning it allows us to get better deals on medicine. Also if the Americans saves money of health care they will just use the money they saved on things that pollute even more than what they have now.
2020-02-24 00:38
NEO | 
Poland furleppe 
Universal healthcare might be a better solution but some Americans think that it will magically solve all their problems, universal healthcare have it's problems. Here it often sucks, when it's something more serious. You have to go private anyway. You still have to pay, even if you don't use public healthcare. It might seem obvious but I'm not gonna be surprised if some Americans will be enraged by that (if they implement it in the future).
2020-02-24 00:45
It will certainly help with expenses and debt management in the USA so many people there go broke due to a medical injury.
2020-02-24 00:54
There is a reason why it may work, and i hate socialism and all leftist, but america spend so much in subsidies already that it may be cheaper to have a universal health care.
2020-02-24 00:48
Just the German system where you have universal healthcare but regulated insurance companies. :) It works.
2020-02-24 01:13
allu | 
Sweden Draden 
Universal health care would save money since it would eliminate an unnecessary middleman. It would raise public taxes (taxes to the state) but reduce overall healthcare spending for american citizens.
2020-02-24 20:44
Honestly most conservatives still live in this ragenistic dream world where they can both be super libertarian and statist whenever it helps them
2020-02-24 20:48
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