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Pro players aim(?)
Argentina faridatos 
So i have three questions that want to ask 1. Can you name what aim consist of ? (mouse accuracy, etc) 2. Let say two pro players for example Scream vs Simple peeking each other at same time, what makes X win over Y? Because pro have similar skill in terms of aim 3. People say X is best aimer but i have seen there some clips where this X player lose aim when facing enemy directly, what the reason? I hope i can get good answers here, thanks :)
2020-02-24 04:49
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#1
shox | 
United States jonEisafag 
muscle memory better crosshair placement and reaction time he's human
2020-02-24 04:53
#4
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African Union mikecool 
+1
2020-02-24 04:57
+1
2020-02-24 05:13
So most of time player with better reaction win?
2020-02-24 09:39
#12
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Germany tmp1 
If you think of a raw aimbattle sure. Corsshair placement and reaction wins. But in a normal progame there is so much more. You can't just aim at the corner while 5 flashes pop right in your face and 2 smokes completely cut off your vision. Then it also comes to decision making where to go and where you gotta aim or how good and consistent you can flick from position to position and most of the time you won't be able to just hold one angle.
2020-02-24 09:44
No, you have to have better crosshair placement, sometimes movement can also effect the accuracy of your shot
2020-02-24 10:06
#26
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China CoVid19_2K 
ofc not, always depends on position, player with the best positioning wins, UNLESS, he fails the xhair placement, spray, or panics, ofc, if the "entryfragger" does a good work he will make the aim of the "shooter" go too wide and his mate just needs to trade him
2020-02-24 10:37
#17
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Denmark RuStY_pls_eat 
+1
2020-02-24 09:52
+1
2020-02-24 10:31
+1
2020-03-16 13:09
+1
2020-03-16 15:22
people just use "aim" for "good at shooting people". in reality it's quite complicated. e.g niko has really good crosshair placement. some pros are better at flicks or have fast reactions.
2020-02-24 04:54
Basically we can't define who has best aim because someone may better at flick and other at reaction?
2020-02-24 17:26
yeah, I think so. this is also why e.g. scream isn't really that successful. he might be good at tapping heads but even he is nowhere good enough to make this really viable. most pros spray/burst and crosshair placement, reaction... all matter, so basically he is just good one very specific type of aim.
2020-02-24 17:40
#3
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Russia MeowZer 
you cant get good answers with stupid questions
2020-02-24 04:56
Perhaps an element to aiming that is slightly less obvious is it being partially psychological, after becoming good at the mechanical side to aiming. On rare occassions, I get a feeling like my shots will always be accurate, and then controlling my mouse feels so natural, not at all awkward and I aim really good. Other times, my mouse feels awkward, I feel my mousepad moving, I hit into my keyboard, my arms feel uncomfortable and I lose most duels.
2020-02-24 05:01
Yea exactly this, it's all about getting in the zone. There's times where I feel that my mouse grip is really uncomfortable and that's all I can think of, which hinders my aim
2020-02-24 05:11
Ah so it's like how confident we are
2020-02-24 17:25
Also sometimes you just get days where no matter what you do you cant hit anything to save your life. Those days i usually just chill on youtube watching cs vids or play surf or bhop.
2020-03-16 15:04
The best aim comes from confidence and belief or even thinking to aim, when you're in this zone you won't even feel your mouse.
2020-02-24 05:23
Could you explain what confidence has to do with aim?
2020-02-24 09:40
Are you trolling?
2020-02-24 09:49
#15
jks | 
Switzerland cykalater 
wtf man use brain
2020-02-24 09:49
like that motherfucker who over repeek in window mirage and shut down your team
2020-02-24 10:35
#36
JW | 
Sweden usrename 
+1 tragic
2020-03-16 12:30
Cart before the horse. You don't aim better just because you're confident. Instead it's opposite, becoming confident is just a side effect of you getting in the zone.
2020-03-16 13:30
Yes, some players have higher ceilings than others.
2020-03-16 14:59
What do you mean?
2020-03-16 15:01
"Cart before the horse" Meaning some players have higher mechanical skills there for high skill ceiling when they are in the zone. I am agreeing with you.
2020-03-16 17:11
Crosshair placement, reaction, good angles
2020-02-24 09:42
But i've seen in pro matches where X player shot earlier than Y but Y still won, how?
2020-03-16 12:23
Crosshair placement
2020-03-16 14:35
why u create same thread every year? u still didnt realize the answer?
2020-02-24 09:45
#20
sergej | 
Poland Noxize 
lol
2020-02-24 10:29
Yeah, and curious like why shroud didn't do well in pro scene despite has top aim skill? Is it because other skill which he's not good?
2020-02-24 10:35
he had confidence issues, and he couldve easily still played pro, but he decided to move full streaming because more income, less stress, no need to travel, etc and yeah being good at aiming doesnt mean ure good at the game, need to have good communication, game sense, positioning, movement, etc
2020-02-24 10:41
the one with crosshair placement at the head will win
2020-02-24 09:51
But i've seen in pro matches where X player shot earlier than Y but Y still won, how?
2020-03-16 12:24
Losing a duel like that usually only happens if the x player misses something due to first bullet accuracy. Otherwise you don't lose a duel like that
2020-03-16 15:07
Yeah you're right,if x flicks to y and shoot his head,x would still win
2020-03-16 15:20
it's all about good decision making and gamesense , godlike players like s1mple and zywoo if you watch them playing it's like they use wh
2020-02-24 10:31
But i talking about aim
2020-03-16 12:24
Well, with hes talking about aim too. With WH (gamesense) you can pre-aim. Thats very important.
2020-03-16 13:14
#23
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France Stewie0K 
timings, positioning, a bit of luck, aim that day, cause as we all know we all have bad days, and probably other factors but these are the most obvious ones
2020-02-24 10:34
But i've seen in pro matches where X player shot earlier than Y but Y still won, how?
2020-03-16 12:24
#35
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France Stewie0K 
prolly whiffed then or smth, other factors can also be that the game is fucking trash and sometimes it doesn't register your shots
2020-03-16 12:26
man, you could just post clips to exact moments and let the hltv brains try to analyze actual counter-strike footage instead of rough general questions. xD
2020-03-16 13:22
#37
ScreaM | 
Poland granv 
I really like question number 1. Actually a lot of pro players have good aim and don't understand it and what aim consists of. Actually you can divide it into few groups : 1) xhair placement aka preaim 2) flickshot (quick mouse movement where you instaclick enemy, there is no readjustment or correction, you click b4 you see crosshair landing) 3) quick aim (fast movement towards enemy with readjustment, common with deagle, especially with high sens) 4) slow steady aim (slow precise movement in direct line with a bullet as soon as xhair reaches head) Imteresting fact is that slow aim and fast aim are two completely different muscle memories, even thou you might no realise that. I understood it when after deagle dm grinding I was able to aim at enemies with fast flicks but I missed a lot of shots when tried to slow aim which should be easier. Tl'dr: train both slow and fast aiming.
2020-03-16 13:08
You can combine all of first 3 into a single discipline.
2020-03-16 13:19
#44
ScreaM | 
Poland granv 
Yes yes ofc you can :) Also reaction time is another factor which i forgot to mention.
2020-03-16 13:23
There is so much to break it down into, then also the number of different ways you can conceptualize and put it together. I tried writing a post by breaking aim down to just 2 basic elements, and it already got too long so I just gave up.
2020-03-16 13:34
#49
ScreaM | 
Poland granv 
Yeah bro you are totally right. This is only the simplified version. One day I got obsessed with sensitivity and aim and I started to study and find out why one players are good aimers and others not and I was amazed how many factors it takes into account. There is much more such as way you hold mouse, pressure of your hand and fingers on mouse, whether you aim with arm/wrisr/just fingers, velocity of your mouse depending on sensitivity and much more. I could do 1h YT video about it :D
2020-03-16 13:37
Visualization on one way to conceptualize aim. sketchtoy.com/69132309
2020-03-16 14:18
#40
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
any1 can have the best aim for 5 minutes, consistency is what counts, which is why s1mple goat
2020-03-16 13:16
#45
ScreaM | 
Poland granv 
+1 so true, I wish I could maintain the feeling I get sometimes at dm when I get on rampage and instaflick 8 people in a row. Even more impressive is to get that consistency having over 3 sens.
2020-03-16 13:25
2020-03-16 13:36
I don't see how it's relevant who would win in a perfect aim duel. As far as I'm concerned, once you attain ability to kill enemy swiftly, you're all set. Game is about outplaying enemies, not winning raw aim duels.
2020-03-16 13:17
#51
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Ecuador Ageless 
1. Muscle memory and training 2. Right side peek wins if both are ready for duel 3. Nobody perfect
2020-03-16 14:19
2. So assuming it's not perfect aim duel and adding variables? Adding variable - both different distance from the corner they're peeking. One is further away from the corner would see opponent first.
2020-03-16 14:25
#53
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Ecuador Ageless 
then crosshair placement ofc, first headshot wins (Dont say m4/ak at that point ak should win)
2020-03-16 14:26
Yeah, straight up aim duel is basically not worth fussing over.
2020-03-16 14:28
#56
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Sweden Zeepter 
1. Can you name what aim consist of ? (mouse accuracy, etc) Accuracy, crosshair placement, reflexes. 2. Let say two pro players for example Scream vs Simple peeking each other at same time, what makes X win over Y? Because pro have similar skill in terms of aim -> Reflexes 3. People say X is best aimer but i have seen there some clips where this X player lose aim when facing enemy directly, what the reason? timing, not fast reflexes at that moment
2020-03-16 14:41
1. acceleration value on aim+triggerbot, toggle before peeking corner to get pre aim set up 2. who has the faster accel and lower reaction time set on cheat will probably win 3. gun inaccuracy RNG
2020-03-16 15:13
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