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Patriotism vs Nationalism
United States Phijkchu 
Does patriotism inevitably lead to nationalism?
2020-02-24 07:35
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Norway FriggeK 
No?
2020-02-24 07:36
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Poland Hanse 
Yes?
2020-02-24 07:42
#6
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United States Nohj 
no
2020-02-24 07:42
#8
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Denmark Dust_2_Go 
No i think it's the other way around Patriotism = proud of what your culture country is Nationalism = proud that you are what you are and not some other ethnicity/ideolegy
2020-02-24 07:44
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Estonia whosmans 
patriotism = proud of your country nationalism = pride that catalyzes oppression of other cultures All nationalism evolves from patriotism, but not all patriots are nationalists
2020-02-24 07:45
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
1/8
2020-02-24 08:28
#20
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Estonia whosmans 
not sure what you mean
2020-02-24 08:47
#24
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
I don't think that nationalism will lead to oppression of other cultures.
2020-02-24 10:08
Patriotism: love ur country and culture Nationalism: think ur country and culture is best. While patriotism is good, nationalism is kind of retardness
2020-02-24 07:51
patriots may be as well retaded, not all of course
2020-02-24 08:30
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Greece Graecos 
+1
2020-02-24 08:33
+1
2020-02-25 02:22
#16
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
These -isms are fucking stupid. What is wrong with being proud of your country, wanting the best for your fellow countrymen and prioritizing helping your countrymen and your country when in need. Slobs.
2020-02-24 08:30
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Estonia whosmans 
the issue is when you are willing to hurt other countries or your own citizens in pursuit of culture-based superiority. For instance, the middle east is ravaged by nationalism, filled with people too prideful in their culture to prioritize advancements in sciences or technology. Instead of creating new infrastructure, capital, and innovations in medicine and technology, countries like Iran are floundering in a self-imposed folly with countries like Kuwait and the United States This also allows for leaders that exploit nationalism to stay in power. For example, Erdogan a falsified link to Kemalism and islam as a way to justify even the most heinous of actions, like the Gezi Park Protest suppression and Kurdish slaughter
2020-02-24 08:50
#23
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
You're absolutely right. I agree. All i want is my own country to prioritize it's own people BEFORE offering help to others who need it. We send so much aid to other countries and we take care of the refugees more than we take care of some swedish people and elders and that's why i consider myself a nationalist because i want to change that and i get looked down on by everyone for it.
2020-02-24 10:04
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Luxembourg kng_rdl 
its great to want the best for your country until it means having to damage or exploit other (especially poorer) countries. nationalism caused too many wars
2020-02-24 15:42
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
Provide some examples please, you can't simply blame nationalism for WW2 since nazism and nationalism is far different. The only one i can think of is WW1 but that's very greedy nationalism.
2020-02-24 16:15
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Luxembourg kng_rdl 
lol what??? ww2 and the nazis are the prime example for nationalism combined with antisemitism
2020-02-24 16:42
#57
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
Oh my god what is this Luxembourg education. Nationalism does not equal nazism. If you think that, go back to school.
2020-02-24 16:47
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Luxembourg kng_rdl 
lmao you are probably one of the dudes that think the nazis were socialists and that north korea is a democratic country
2020-02-24 16:48
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
Definitely not. It's not like Hitler lowered the taxes but in any case no he wasn't a socialist. I know he was a nationalist that's not what i'm saying. But can you please tell me how his nationalism caused 6 million jews to die?
2020-02-24 16:50
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Luxembourg kng_rdl 
it caused 60 million deaths, and like i already said earlier nationalism combined with antisemitism
2020-02-24 16:53
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Finland Goble81 
I think those who pointed out that patriotism is generally better than nationalism means that in many cases nationalism is associated with an illusion of "pure race" (defined by those whom these nationalism supporters follow). This concept is flawed because what about those ethically serbians or somalians whose parents and grand parents were born in Sweden? Nationalism often don't think of them as being part of the country. Patriotism on the other hand usually don't make such an extreme split between legal citizens and ethnic backgrounds. This is why patriotism is seen "as better" version of being proud member of a society.
2020-02-24 16:29
#52
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
Ethnic nationalism doesn't equal nationalism though. That's why i think it's wrong for people to denigrate nationalism based on it sharing a name with other ideologies.
2020-02-24 16:39
> What is wrong with being proud of your country because it's something people say that haven't achieved anything themselves. it's a beta as it gets
2020-02-25 02:14
Nope
2020-02-24 08:55
NO, patriotis just like they own culture,but nationalism hate other national culture.
2020-02-24 10:13
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Sweden günT 
no, they require, and arise in completely different conditions
2020-02-24 10:28
Not necessary.
2020-02-24 10:20
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United States tenki_cs 
no lol patriotism is loyalty to the state, nationalism is loyalty to the people
2020-02-24 10:28
It's the other way around. Patriotism is about ethnicity, culture etc. Nationalism is about the nation as a construct, not the people.
2020-02-24 10:40
#37
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United States tenki_cs 
patriotism = country = state nationalism = nation simple as
2020-02-24 10:42
Its fine to be an EU patriot
2020-02-24 10:37
#42
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Norway Markus98h 
EU patriot? You mean Chinese Patriot, as EU supporters are majority communist/socalist against nationalism, allowing China to get access to europe more and more.
2020-02-24 13:08
what do u mean-USA and China trade so EU and China trade as well :)
2020-02-24 15:30
#48
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Norway Markus98h 
Look into China’s FDR and 16+1/17+1, then the chinese map policy, how many harbor China own in Europe, and China’s harbor investment the poor country who cant pay back. EU let this happend.
2020-02-24 16:20
If it was a matter of NATO security the ports wouldnt have been sold man.Dont worry
2020-02-24 23:01
#62
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Norway Markus98h 
Did you even bother research?
2020-02-25 02:09
Oh so you are much wiser than the all experts and generals in NATO ok.
2020-02-25 09:46
#68
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Norway Markus98h 
You are clueless. Go read how important Poland is for Nato, and then read about the 2 arrest in Poland ties to Huawei, where the chinese had access to NATO secrets. Nato is not immune to China, and the NATO leader Jens Stoltenberg is a famous Anti-Nato person inside Norway. Now he’s the head of Nato. And yes, I actually would say I know better then the few Nato Generals, who underestimate the chinese. I spend very much time on study how Chinese is trying to conquer the world by becoming a superpower. Political Science is my field, where I focus on Totalitarian and tech.
2020-02-25 11:25
KEKW
2020-02-25 13:05
#39
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Israel OKOptimistic1 
Patriotism (fake nationalism) is for betas Nationalism is for Alphas Patriotism is not real
2020-02-24 12:12
#41
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Norway Markus98h 
Nationalism = identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. Ethnic Nationalism = ethnonationalism, is a form of nationalism wherein the nation is defined in terms of ethnicity. The central theme of ethnic nationalists is that "nations are defined by a shared heritage, which usually includes a common language, a common faith, and a common ethnic ancestry Patriotism = the quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country. I’m Nationalist, I dont see white/European people as my people, I see the Norwegians citizen as my people. Ofc we are all equal, but I’m not dying in war for swedish ppl unless we are alliance.
2020-02-24 12:20
imagine being proud of ur nationality or country just because you were born like that/in there. patriotism, nationalism, religion etc. are all fed up by states to keep hatred alive. this hatred eventually leads to war and from wars the gun producers and medicine companies earn money. millions kill each other so hundreds can live in welfare. not to mention stupid politicians use them as propaganda for the elections
2020-02-24 13:59
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Japan esy 
Patriotism can mean that you love your culture but you give a shit about a state. That means that even a anarchist can be a patriot. If you teach patriotism in a good way > nice. Nationalism > Shit and always lead to some kind of rasicm.
2020-02-24 15:34
#49
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United States America! 
USA USA USA USA = patriotism Idiots with the American flag on their house = nationalism
2020-02-24 16:27
No... the flag outside the house still counts as patriotism
2020-02-24 16:40
#51
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United States 7RU7H 
all these things ending with "ism" are just the results of brainwashing so they are all trash !
2020-02-24 16:30
Ok Farris bueller
2020-02-24 16:45
there isn't anything inherently wrong with either
2020-02-24 16:39
#64
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Russia Jovik! 
The thing-ism is just like religion, divide them into even smaller pieces and they'll still do their job. Divide us and create a reason not to unite and live in peace. It should be left behind.
2020-02-25 02:15
#67
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France OtelloO 
I'm HLTVist
2020-02-25 09:50
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Brazil jacksfurions 
i believe so, i believe it is a nationalist nation but everyone is afraid to say it because they have military power to face the whole world at once.
2020-02-25 13:09
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