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AWP disgusting OP
Brazil Alpha_Brazilian 
s1mple does whatever the fuck he wants with the awp Just play aggressive, hit your shots and hide behind the unpenetrable walls = easiest entries in the world Weak flashes that don't work when turned 90 degrees are irrelevant in pro play Nerf this disgusting gun
2020-02-25 21:47
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#1
Hvid | 
Germany egrherhehe 
+100 its ridiculous and just doesnt fit in the game really if you think about it
2020-02-25 21:48
Imagine train, dust2, overpass all without the awp. Only strats and rifle play. Really good snipers would still be able to use the scout, but the awp is just disgusting OP
2020-02-25 21:49
#7
Hvid | 
Germany egrherhehe 
yes, the scout is also kinda op considering its price. i wouldnt have a problem with every scoped gun removed from the game. without the awp it would be dangerous tho that the game gets too t-sided so further steps would be required maybe. but in the end, if the game gets rebalanced properly, it could be much more skill- and team based
2020-02-25 21:52
I think that if the m4 is able to get 100 dmg HS in really close range (like the AUG) it would already be fine with mollies
2020-02-25 21:54
the scout is also op as fuck you move like flash and kill people in 2 hits when they can't even see you
2020-02-25 21:58
#59
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Estonia MorsAlbum 
i wouldnt say scout is op at all, but if awp were for some fucking odd reason removed then scout would be incredibly "op" for 1700
2020-02-26 01:04
the game would become undoubtedly way more t-sided then
2020-02-25 21:59
"just doesnt fit in the game really" please say sike
2020-02-25 22:43
#3
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Peru TheJuan 
If it is so easy, then why Guardian missed every shot???
2020-02-25 21:49
GuardiaN is really fucking shit. Even I'm better than him.
2020-02-25 21:51
+1 me for doubt
2020-02-26 08:43
#118
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Europe sn00b_d0gg 
+1
2020-02-26 16:08
A common fallacy. Awp boosts the skill of a player. GuardiaN and kNg wouldn't even be pro players without the awp, but they are because of it. Average players become good Good players become insane Insane players become unstoppable
2020-02-25 21:52
#9
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Peru TheJuan 
proofs???
2020-02-25 21:53
+1
2020-02-25 21:54
s1mple, syrsoN, MSL, ZywOo, device Literally any rifler that turned into an awper boosted their stats by a lot. Truth hurts, I know
2020-02-25 21:55
#21
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Peru TheJuan 
MSL is bad awper and is bad with rifles too Zywoo and device are still good with rifles And I’ve never watched Syrson
2020-02-25 22:02
hltv.org/events/3389/dreamhack-masters-s.. Tier 1 event, MVP MSL. Yes, MSL. "Zywoo and device are still good with rifles". Yes, but they're better and more impactful with the awp, just watch s1mple. "And I’ve never watched Syrson" syrsoN went from being a 0.94 rating rifler in 2016 to 1.20 rating awper in 2018
2020-02-25 22:04
#24
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Peru TheJuan 
Ok fallenzera I will rate your bait 2/8
2020-02-25 22:06
As I said, truth hurts huh?
2020-02-25 22:06
#28
OK | 
Peru TheJuan 
Ofc you would know about that, fallenzera
2020-02-25 22:07
#216
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Oceania 1337Bruh1337 
+1
2020-02-27 23:02
MSL had the event of his life and that means the AWP is op. MSL has 1 MVP using an AWP. He is now consistently shit with it just like he is with rifles, because he's just a shit fragger.
2020-02-25 22:45
hltv.org/stats/players/7156/MSL?startDat.. 1.01 rating and 1.18 impact. career 0.92 rating and 1.04 impact I'd say that's a huge difference, specially considering he's been getting older and had a time off
2020-02-25 22:47
Maps played 11
2020-02-25 23:03
A barely above okay impact rating and below average everything else. I don't get what you're trying to prove.
2020-02-25 23:19
+1
2020-02-26 20:28
#30
chrisJ | 
United Kingdom snekky 
Look at the top 10 for the last few years. They're almost all awpers because a good awper can dominate a game like nothing else.
2020-02-25 22:20
if you look at 2019 then its 3 out of 10 in top10 and 5 out of 20 in top20. how is that "almost all awpers"? and zywoo, s1mple and dev1ce have all less than 50% kills with awp 2018 2 in top10, 4 in top20
2020-02-26 07:29
so then why do rain and scream suck with the awp? theyre(were) both good players? You're telling me if I pick up the awp and I can go from shit to being ok?
2020-02-25 21:54
They dont like to play with it Its a boring gun.
2020-02-25 21:56
both scream and rain have said they suck with the weapon. It's not that they don't want to you use, they're just bad at it.
2020-02-25 21:57
By your logic,ak boosts skill of the player,if there was no AK or M4 Magisk,device etc. wouldnt be pros. What is FPS game without sniper?
2020-02-26 03:42
#94
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Netherlands SpiceNut 
+1
2020-02-26 08:55
oh god not this crap again. The awp is fine as it is, even tho pre nerf AWPing was funny af
2020-02-25 21:52
if its so op why cant anyone do it 🤔🤔🤔
2020-02-25 21:52
big brain moves
2020-02-25 22:01
well everyone can :D if the awp's price was same as m4 no one would play m4
2020-02-26 03:40
Dont disgrace AoE community pls
2020-02-26 07:53
#99
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India Grimm_jow 
If ak's price was same as pistols no one would use pistols wdym
2020-02-26 09:05
that the only reason why everyone is not playing awp is the price.
2020-02-26 13:29
ikr should change the damage to 50 or just remove the scope how can this gun allow to be 1shot kill and u can even zoom down.....this isnt call of duty. :/
2020-02-25 21:54
#17
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France kyojiNs 
"Remove the scope" wtf you braindead, no wonder your country has no scene
2020-02-25 21:57
#25
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Czech Republic Ondron 
baited
2020-02-25 22:06
nt prokda
2020-02-26 07:26
#120
Yeet | 
Spain H0TDOGG 
Nt forsaken
2020-02-26 16:12
who?
2020-02-26 16:43
#132
Yeet | 
Spain H0TDOGG 
you br0
2020-02-26 17:54
"or just remove the scope" this one was good lmao. wp:D
2020-02-26 07:26
#126
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Belgium PurpleAFK 
"remove the scope" on god dumbest thing i've heard in a while
2020-02-26 17:41
#22
arT | 
Brazil DrTx 
+1 men)
2020-02-25 22:04
if its that easy why not everyone can use it?
2020-02-25 22:06
Even MSL had an MVP in a tier 1 event what do you mean not everyone can use it?
2020-02-25 22:13
show me the tier 1 tournament where he won it
2020-02-26 20:31
everyone can :D
2020-02-26 03:40
Is this a joke? You need to be way more skilled with AWP than other weapons. It got nerfed again cuz of this much shitholery with the people. It is being rarely used on T-side even by players like ZywOo,s1mple,device,etc. We're just missing other dimension of the game just because of stupid nerfs. On CT side it is OP but thats only when your team is willing to give you full support. Nerfs to the gun has been making it more angle based and people practicing for it and practice makes it easier on CT side.
2020-02-25 22:25
IMAGINE BEING THIS DELUSIONAL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. 12/13 top rated players in 2019 were awpers even tho they're only 20% of a team All top3 HLTV last year were awpers MSL had a MVP in a tier 1 event with an awp syrsoN went from a 0.95 rating rifler to a 1.20 rating awper ZywOo was a nobody when he was a rifler s1mple and device had worst stats as riflers Since GTR in 2014, every single HLTV #1 player was a primary or a secondary awper Way more skilled to mouse1 to the stomach? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Awpers are truly delusional
2020-02-25 22:29
wtf are you smoking??? they use a $4750 gun. Are you dumbfuck? They get dropped a weapon. They're setup by the team to get themselves strong economy and confidence for AWPing. AWPers have better flick aim than riflers and are better pistol players. Most AWPers can very well rifle. These guys are top rated cuz they've overall impact. You forgot that teams are build around an AWPer and their teammates sacrifice for them. ZywOo can really wreck any team with his rifling. s1mple was 2nd rated with rifle on Na'vi and when he wasn't in best form. device was a rifler before. Don't forget these guys AWP maximum 10-15 rounds on a map and they very well capable with other weapons to get kills and maintain ratings. Why doesn't teams have 5 AWPs vs 5 AWPs if it is so OP?? It isn't OP and it costs very well. 6700$ for AWP, armor,2 flashes and an incendiary. And 5050$ for same with m4. Don't forget kill bonus etc. Huge difference.
2020-02-25 22:39
Clueless, awpers are able to rebuy as much as they want with the new economy + saving meta, and they don't have to invest 4750 every time they die, most of the time the team is able to pick up the weapon and bring it to the next round. "AWPers have better flick aim than riflers and are better pistol players" Again, delusional. MSL had a MVP in a tier 1 event while using the awp, literally the worst pro player got a MVP in a tier 1 event. ZywOo was a nobody when he was rifling. Most awpers wouldn't even be pros without the weapon Also: reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/f4..
2020-02-25 22:42
??Reply needs to have actual content not repetition of delusion.
2020-02-25 22:44
I get it, you're obviously an awper and the truth hurts. But you know it as well, if you had to m4 on CT side you would be 2 lvls lower on faceit, or whatever the fuck you play, and you can't handle this fact.
2020-02-25 22:45
I get it, you obviously crying because you die to AWPer all the time. Just git gid with utility and hit start hitting some shots.
2020-02-25 22:46
"12/13 top rated players in 2019 were awpers even tho they're only 20% of a team" Go teach pro teams to "just use utility" 🤣🤣🤣
2020-02-25 22:49
this is common argument :D just use flash :D he is obviously an awper and he thinks he is good because he can click :D no point arguing with him, he is delusional :D
2020-02-26 03:41
#136
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2019-01-01&endD.. thats just not even true zywoo - awper s1mple - awper electronic - rifler device - awper (plays rifles on t side) elige - rifler magisk - rifler naf - rifler niko - rifler brehze - rifler twistzz - rifler krimz - rifler jks - rifler cerq - awper
2020-02-26 17:58
"Big events"... hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. Only 20% of a team are primary awpers, and in big events there'll only be stats from a handful of teams, so only a handful amount of awpers. Not sure if low IQ or just dishonest.
2020-02-26 18:01
#143
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
why are you looking at t5 teams? the awp is very clearly not overrepresented in the top 20 rankings and therefore the top of pro play. yes the awp is the most powerful weapon in the game, its also the most expensive (that is actually used) with the lowest kill reward, bad in retakes and close quarters etc etc.
2020-02-26 18:05
? 1,2 and 5 got those stats in tier 1 events LOL, it dominates from tier 5 to tier 1. I just talked about the big events, and you bring top20, which contains players from 5, 6 teams, really? And, again, awpers are only 20% of a team, and they were more than 20% PRIMARY awpers in the top20.
2020-02-26 18:11
#161
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
the awp is the best and most expensive weapon in the game, it makes sense to give it to your best player? its not like valve could ever remove it from the game or particularly nerf it again cuz of the skins, so keep bitching ig.
2020-02-26 18:17
Ofc they can nerf it again what are you talking about lol
2020-02-26 18:21
#170
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
it would harm the skins side of the game significantly and thus would not be a good economic decision for valve. the negatives for valve are as follows: -causes instability, people are less likely to spend money in an unstable economy -it would burn people who bought expensive skins for the awp (gungir, the prince, dlore, medusa) and they would likely not continue to give valve more money the positives: -some guy on hltv says it would be better yeah im not sure if you realise it but they wont nerf the awp.
2020-02-26 18:31
They killed the AK by buffing the SG and the most expensive skins (for the exception of the DLore) are AK skins... Anything else?
2020-02-26 18:32
#174
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
the awp has the most expensive skins by a massive margin. dlore, the prince, gungir, medusa all $1k or more, the ak only has the fire serpent which is over 1k with stattrak fn and mw. so your response to that is dogshit. and they didnt kill the ak, its still used in every single match and skin prices (which reflect demand for the gun and therefore how much its used) didnt drop massively even in the era of the sg. edit: forgot the ak wild lotus, still not close to the awp though
2020-02-26 18:37
Lol your main argument right now for the "awp is OP" discussion is "it doesn't matter because the skins are expensive". LMAO, talk about being desperate. And, again, there's a clear difference that I already pointed out, the AK got MURDERED, no one uses it anymore. A slightly nerf to the awp would never kill the awp, there would still be at least 1 in every round, stop this delusion.
2020-02-26 18:41
#176
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
the argument about the skins being expensive is the reason why, no matter how much it may hurt your little feelings, valve will never nerf the awp again. and yes, people do still use the ak.
2020-02-26 18:43
The biggest awp "nerf" (more like change) happened in 2015 and literally nothing changed. Stop trying
2020-02-26 18:45
#178
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
when the skin market wasnt nearly as relevant. keep making shit threads imagining anyone agrees with you though.
2020-02-26 18:46
CSGOLounge prime and it wasn't as relevant? Oh boy. Whatever, I'll let you be delusional about your hypothetical scenarios.
2020-02-26 18:47
#180
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United Kingdom alcazar4 
the hypothetical scenario where the awp doesnt get nerfed? ohh wait, thats not hypothetical at all, thats real life because the awp will not be nerfed.
2020-02-26 18:48
#226
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Slovenia Bhaz 
"Buffing the sg"
2020-02-29 20:02
if the awp takes more skill to get kills with than rifles, why do players even buy awp then? If the weapon is harder to use to be impactful and it cost more, shouldn't everyone even kennyS use rifle which is easier and cheaper as you said? AWP is way easier to use than rifles, that is why it is balanced with the higher price at 4750 and not 2700. If the AWP was 2700 and the Ak is 4750 so the price was reversed, do you think there wouldn't be 4 or 5 awps every round? Would ppl even buy the ak or m4 at that price lul? AWP has to be op and easier for ppl to buy it otherwise it makes no sense to pay that extra $2000 for a harder weapon to frag with. Example is m249 or the old negev which are harder to use than ak and more expensive and thus no one ever buys it, but ppl do buy the awp frequently
2020-02-25 22:59
because AWP gets you opening advantage easily and easy multi kills sometimes. 1 AWP or 2 AWP in team makes the team setup rigid but brings best out of team. 5 rifles gives team a very mobile defense. 1 AWP is best for the team. AWP isn't easier to use than rifles. There is a lot to practice. You need to watch demos. Practice movement and rotations. Practice opening picks or other situations. You need to have great gamesense, good with other weapons at the same time. Develop a good aim and flicks,etc. People who think it is just click and kill, then even riflers can just run and spray and get lucky headshot. More often than not you get flashed. Btw if it is so OP why is it not used on T-side? Tell me.
2020-02-26 07:21
if you think AWP is harder than rifle your following opinion dont matter anymore. have you contested a long range duel vs an AWP? no the margin of error for killing someone with an AWP is a fuck TON compared to an AR jesus bro get your head out of your ass, you talking about "flick" style of aim as if riflers dont do that 24/7 LMAO stop pretending as if you know shit bruh
2020-02-26 08:38
wrong reply my b, I meant for #39
2020-02-26 01:02
I am not even 100% sure If OP is baiting or not but I'll break almost all of ur points one by one since most of them make no sense. -"hey use a $4750 gun." And this price means very little, the point that the OP is trying to make is that AWP is way too easy to use and in a way it is and even a $10000 wouldn't change the weapon it self. + You can take a weapon from your temmates when they die, enemies or your temmate can even drop it to you If he has more money, soo the price rly doesn't mean much. -"They get dropped a weapon" Reply needs to have actual content? -"They're setup by the team to get themselves strong economy and confidence for AWPing." And why do you think that's the case? Ye, bcz weapon is fucking disgusting on CT side in a well organized team, surely they'll play around the awper when he caries the moss valuable weapon that also kills opponets easiest. -"AWPers have better flick aim than riflers and are better pistol players." Very debatable bcz when you think more about It, It's easier for an awper to wait his enemy to pick and just hit him in the chest (that is also zoomed which means It's even bigger) than It is for a riffler to hit a head that is much smaller without a zoom and awp is in general used by a lot of good players since anyone who can make him work will deal soo much dmg to the enemy, he won't even be in able to react before getting killed in a lot of situations and in some positions, even things like flash/smoke can barely help and If awper wants to kill you, he will find a way. + There are good pistol players that are not good with awp such as rain, notheless this point is intresting and I may actually agree that the better psitol players are more often awpers. -"Most AWPers can very well rifle." What's the point of this sentence? The topic is about awp being OP (or not), not about whether AWPers are a good riflers or not, It's actually even scarier to think that good riflers still prefer playing with the AWP over rifle even with all disadvantages that AWP has over rifles (reload time, ability to multi kill in a short amount of time, movement speed and there is more). -"These guys are top rated cuz they've overall impact." Yes but the fact that they still prefer AWP over rifles even after being decent at rifles is a bit scary don't you think? However there are some ppl that also play only AWPs and their rifling skills are either questionable or at least not tested enough yet. -"You forgot that teams are build around an AWPer and their teammates sacrifice for them" I already said why they teams are build around players that are using awps. Also. -"ZywOo can really wreck any team with his rifling. s1mple was 2nd rated with rifle on Na'vi and when he wasn't in best form. device was a rifler before." Nobody said that awpers can't be good riflers and as I said, It's funny how they are all either main or secondary awpers even though they are more than capable riflers.... -"Don't forget these guys AWP maximum 10-15 rounds on a map and they very well capable with other weapons to get kills and maintain ratings." Again, nobody said that they can't be good riflers and there is a good reason why awp is shit on T side as I will explain. -"Why doesn't teams have 5 AWPs vs 5 AWPs if it is so OP??" This question is dumb on soo many levels, that's like asking why not all 5 Ts/CTs go onto the same spot If spot seems decent or why don't 5Ts always push all at the same time (which can make them easily multi killed), first, there is a good reason why awp sucks ass on T side and that's bcz as a T you have to fight for your site which is a very hard to do with an bcz of his movement speed, the risk of missing the shot and instantly getting killed (where as a CT you can just take a good angle and fall back after missing the shot), the only place where Ts can use awp is on site If they already conquered him and are in an after plant situation. As a CT however, there have been a lot of the times 2 guys awping or even 3 sometimes and the reason why there is almost never 5 guys awping is bcz your teammate playing M4 is going to perfectly do what awp simply can not and that is stay and hold your back when you are waiting betwen shots and reload bcz awp has a very weak capabilities of killing 3/4 enemies by himself If they are trying to take the site in a fast fashion but to be honest, If awpers on CT would never miss or make agressive plays that can make them easily killed, there would be no reason to not 3 man awp at least If not even 4/5. -"It isn't OP and it costs very well. 6700$ for AWP, armor,2 flashes and an incendiary. And 5050$ for same with m4. Don't forget kill bonus etc." As I said, this price is not real, enemies can can give you their grenades, you can survive a long time with the awp If you and your team are doing well and get some pretty nice cash in the meanwhile and you can even pick the awp from the enemy and price rly doesn't change the core of the weapon and that is that awp has capabilities that other rifles never had nor ever will. Is it OP or not depends how u wanna look at it and there is definetly a point of view where It rly is OP. TLDR: I don't know If OP is baiting or not but, most of your points make no sense. Nobody said that awpers can;t be good riflers, the thing is that even good riflers either main or secondary awp, which is a bit scary if you think a bit more about it, the price of the awp is not real, you can take it from Ts, surive and bank some nice cash in the meanwhile and the price doesn't rly change how weapon operates, In some situations It rly is fucking disgusting, awpers might be better pistol players but still, we are talking about awp specificaly here and how it is just unfair weapon to fight against a lot of the times, Ts do not use awps as they have to push and take the site and awp is very bad at doing that as CTs can get better angles and abuse the lowered movement speed of an awp player, on CT side however you can get away with a lot of stuff while playing awp, even missing 100000 shots. Imo, I would make awps have a much smaller mag, like betwen 3-6 shots which would reward hitting but punish missing/spamming much more, T awp could also cost less as It's much less used there and If u make an opening as a T with AWP, wp dude, you deserved that round (the only problem with this would be retards buying an awp bcz It's cheaper and waiting for their temmates with AK to push.
2020-02-26 02:54
I can't put so much time reading it. Your every point is wrong. I will break some of starting points. For price, it is 4750$ which is a lot and thats why a team can only afford one AWP mostly and if their economy hasn't build, they can't even afford it. There are lesser people using AWP so less likely to be picked from a corpse. See how a 250$ upgrade in price of kreig made its usage less. They get dropped the weapon means AWPers are using more money from team economy, so they need to have better rating and impact. I said this gun is OP on CT side(check #31) but not like you would want this weapon on everyone's hand. 2 is more than enough. One economy can't sustain, second you can very rarely win with 3 AWPs or more. This weapon requires a lot sacrifices by teammates of AWPer and a lot of support from them. No player gets over 1.50 rating on consistent basis on CT side. So its not OP. Also many AWP players have closely good CT and T side ratings even kennyS. AWPers have better flick aim cuz they practice AWP DM. You develop only gamesense when on LAN. You develop flicks,etc from practice. Just see kennyS,s1mple,ZywOo or device's aim. I will put these in top 10 aimers in scene. Their one taps with ak are amazing. Also AWPers put more time than their normal teammates to get so good. Only problem is that they don't have movement like rifler, they often peek like AWPer and die with rifle or they just wreck people with their aim like ZywOo or s1mple. AWPers can very well rifle which means they rifle and AWP flexibly so they've good ratings. I can't read more. You just wrote this whole thing without even thinking what I was trying to prove.
2020-02-26 07:14
"I can't put so much time reading it." You have TLDR that is shorter than almost all of ur replies on this thread. "For price, it is 4750$ which is a lot and thats why a team can only afford one AWP mostly and if their economy hasn't build, they can't even afford it. " Didn't watch recent games but in the ones I watched before all these SG/AUG buffs there have been plenty of double AWP setups and you build economy either way, you are on a losing streak as CT? Don't worry, you'll start getting a lot of money. You are winning? Don't worry, you won't lose your AWP and even If you do, your teammate will pick him for you. "There are lesser people using AWP so less likely to be picked from a corpse." Most ppl do not use AWP bcz A) You can have only one on T side at most bcz more than that doesn't make sense, sometimes It might even better to not even have one and B), having more than 2 awps on CT side is also not that great of an idea bcz It's better to have a versatile player with the M4 that can cover the awper when he misses the shot than 2 awpers on site that can easily get 5 manned If even one of them misses the shot, even more If the enemy team knows that 2 players have the awp on one site. "They get dropped the weapon means AWPers are using more money from team economy, so they need to have better rating and impact." Soo in short, awp is an easier and more powrful weapon, got it. They also get awps dropped bcz It simply costs more than the M4 soo It completely makes sense topick from the ground If your awper died and nobody tehre loses nothing but the player that took AWP for his M4, which means that he only loses $3100, which would be the same as IF a player with the M4 died. "One economy can't sustain, second you can very rarely win with 3 AWPs or more. This weapon requires a lot sacrifices by teammates of AWPer and a lot of support from them." Wow, such a sacrifice, drop your M4 for the AWP and buy a new M4, wow, lost whole $3100 for a new M4, rly hard hit onto the economy of CTs that are already winning and therefore not losing all of their weapons while the whole team is getting 2k at least. "This weapon requires a lot sacrifices by teammates of AWPer and a lot of support from them. No player gets over 1.50 rating on consistent basis on CT side. So its not OP." Wow, It doesn't have a consistent 1.50 rating soo it's a fair weapon, you got me rly good. Following that logic Nuke also shouldn't be called a CT sided map bcz Ts do win few rounds there and then. "So its not OP. Also many AWP players have closely good CT and T side ratings even kennyS." Why do you say "even" kennyS when he is like the fastest awp player which is exactly what you need to awp on a T side, not gonna look at the rating either bcz even IF this is true for most awpers (which I doubt), I still wouldn't be suprised bcz unlike mm, the pro teams aren't going to play like retards with 2/3 awps on T side which would make pushing harder which would result in rating of an awp dropping. No, you can still save awp and be q uite effective awper even on a T side as long as there isn;t more than 1 awper on T side and as long as your team can take the site from CTs from time to time where you get to play the awp in a pretty much the same way as CTs do, also, pro teams on CT side heavily rely on putting preassure onto the Ts bcz It's the best way to play the game which can result sometimes in CTs accidentaly diying when they are trying to zone Ts from taking a better positions. "AWPers have better flick aim cuz they practice AWP DM. You develop only gamesense when on LAN. You develop flicks,etc from practice." Unpopular to current beliefes, not every PRO player actually likes dm. "Just see kennyS,s1mple,ZywOo or device's aim. I will put these in top 10 aimers in scene. Their one taps with ak are amazing." Fair point. "Also AWPers put more time than their normal teammates to get so good." Are you sure about this? Either way, It makes more sense for some ppl to put more time into the AWP bcz If your aim, relfexes suck, you are never gonna be a better rifler while as an awper, you will always do great as long as u can land ur shots which means that It's quite rewarding for everyone who can hit his shots. "AWPers can very well rifle which means they rifle and AWP flexibly so they've good ratings." Again, don't think this could be said for all awp players but even If It's true, It still doesn't disprove my point that AWP is more rewarding even for ppl that are more than good with rifles, I am not trying to make an argument whether awpers suck or not as riflers, I am just saying that It's sometimes a bit too rewarding (CT side off angles + there isn't more than 2 awpers).
2020-02-27 21:06
wow
2020-02-27 22:12
There was a TLDR that was shorter than all of his replies on this thread except one, also, nice alt.
2020-02-28 02:53
Imagine keeping an alt for hltv forums.
2020-02-28 04:41
Yea, who would do something like that....
2020-02-28 18:44
The real problem is that not enough walls are bangable. They really should make much more of the map wall bangable. Not to 1.6 limits but definitely more.
2020-02-25 22:28
Yup, that's why you don't see many inferno window peaks from awpers, they're just scared of getting wallbanged. Meanwhile on banana they can peek and repeek 10 times as long as they're hitting the closest targets
2020-02-25 22:30
Yeah it's kind of ridiculous. But since csgo has around 5 people working on it they will never fix it. If they tried they would most likely just fuck something up like they always do.
2020-02-25 22:33
#36
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Turkey Thunderball 
brain damaged comfirmed LUL
2020-02-25 22:33
delusional awper :D
2020-02-26 03:43
No. S1mple is just insane with it have you noticed when he makes these insane flicks how he shakes his mouse that's how much he flicks . Not everyone can do that. I know this is a bait but I had to say this .
2020-02-25 22:34
yeah, its impossible to hit some of those shots for normal person.
2020-02-25 22:40
9/10 times you wont have to flick that hard, assuming you're not braindead.
2020-02-26 08:59
Ok
2020-02-26 13:17
#38
kennyS | 
Germany striXSy 
WTF?????? AWP GOT NERFED TODAY AND ITS SHIT
2020-02-25 22:37
ye rip kennys
2020-02-25 22:48
#53
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Serbia nocturn1 
didn't try it but how does it feel? only crouch - movement speed after shooting is nerfed/fixed?
2020-02-25 23:06
#56
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Denmark Alphamon 
Also scoped movement speed while crouched is nerfed, you can't strafe like adad effectively anymore. Overall much slower and clunkier.
2020-02-25 23:38
#60
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Serbia nocturn1 
that's shit then
2020-02-26 01:14
no kennyS bombsite A highlights possible
2020-02-26 07:37
#55
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Albania bizhuy 
nt n0rb3r7 alt
2020-02-25 23:33
#57
NiKo | 
Spain kroosw0w 
Cry is free
2020-02-25 23:39
delusional awper
2020-02-26 03:42
#117
NiKo | 
Spain kroosw0w 
Cry noob
2020-02-26 16:05
good argument
2020-02-26 16:08
#122
NiKo | 
Spain kroosw0w 
"you should not be able to shoot while flashed "
2020-02-26 16:25
#154
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CIS kryto203 
Like #68
2020-02-26 18:14
#62
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United States xiquo 
70% of the clips from IEM today were awp kills guys. what does that tell you
2020-02-26 03:01
That awp kills are harder, nicer and therefore need to be shown. You don't highlight shitty stuff
2020-02-26 07:47
#63
ropz | 
Canada Bucket0 
s1mple uses it a way no one else can.
2020-02-26 03:36
LOOOOL bro you just manifested this shit into reality hahaha
2020-02-26 03:38
The wall-banging's a good point actually. You could actually kill an awper who retreated behind a corner in 1.6.
2020-02-26 03:43
the price should be around 5250$ so it would make everyone play a little less aggressively because if they lose the weapon it is a big thing. also the magazine size should be reduced (10 -> 5) you should not be able to shoot while flashed (I would like this feature to be implemented to every weapon but with awp it is extra more frustrating). All these wannabe pro awpers are using an argument that it can be countered with utility which is obviously bs. It can to some extent but not fully.
2020-02-26 03:45
#77
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United States America! 
#76
2020-02-26 07:23
"you should not be able to shoot while flashed " AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA bro you just fucked yourself big time youre trying too hard to sound smart
2020-02-26 08:53
dude you are trying too hard to get attention that is the worst thing you could ever do to CS, try to think of a better bait next time smh are u 12
2020-02-27 07:49
no arguments only insults and I am 12 yo lol
2020-02-27 13:35
#74
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Brunei cyLoL 
Should just only be pistol rounds always
2020-02-26 07:16
#76
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United States America! 
Try playing on a team or just on lan in general awping itself is quite easy but you need to be smart with it especially on t side. People who say shit like the awp is "op" either play low level faceit or mm where people are uncoordinated and cant use utility correctly. In other words stfu and stop making these bait threads /closed
2020-02-26 07:23
#85
jks | 
Switzerland cykalater 
+1
2020-02-26 07:58
+1
2020-02-26 08:47
how much?
2020-02-26 08:39
It has been nerfed
2020-02-26 08:41
just keep crying bro that sure is going to help
2020-02-26 08:46
cry is free game knowledge 0
2020-02-26 08:54
Bad kids are mad kids.
2020-02-26 08:58
Uninstall is the ultimate OP.
2020-02-26 09:00
just flash him 4head, i would like to see those people go against a half decent awper and show the "just use utility".
2020-02-26 09:02
Other players dominate just as often without it. Look at elige and magisks. Both sometimes awp but mostly rifle and lock down games alone. Theres a reason there are only few good t1 awpers. Good aim only gets so far, against good players you need really good positioning and game sense to stay alive long and actually have impact
2020-02-26 09:19
Bump because awp abuser once again abusing the awp
2020-02-26 15:09
s1mple's the only one who can use the awp like that must be the awp's fault
2020-02-26 15:10
Yeh not like top3 last year were awpers or anything
2020-02-26 15:11
it's not like all 3 of them were also hybrid players with world class rifles
2020-02-26 15:11
p1mple wouldn't go 23/4 with an m4 against Kriegs, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT
2020-02-26 15:12
s1mple can go 23-4 against this version of nip with a deagle
2020-02-26 15:17
delusional fanboy
2020-02-26 15:20
not delusional fanboy, nip is just really bad
2020-02-26 15:23
Yes he’s good
2020-02-26 15:13
If its so op why everyone CANT do it?? "Just play aggressive, hit your shots and hide behind the unpenetrable walls = easiest entries in the world" u forgot about pushing?? About SMGs? about prefire?? about baiting enemy awper shots??
2020-02-26 15:19
What a low IQ post hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. 12/13 top rated players in 2019 were awpers, everyone can do it
2020-02-26 15:21
#128
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Ukraine ksay 
DUH it's a better weapon and costs properly of course everyone (or at least most of the players) can do better with it but there is one awper per team for a reason it's like calling AK an OP gun because people that playing with pistols have worse stats braindead logic tbh
2020-02-26 17:48
4750 is nothing with the new economy + saving meta. And if you die with an awp it doesn't mean you have to waste 4750 again, most of the time your team is able to pick it up and drop it for your the next round And, again, it's way too powerful for how easy it is.
2020-02-26 17:49
#131
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Ukraine ksay 
it's not THAT powerful and awpers SHOULD have better stats than riflers otherwise it would be a waste of money valve should make it more punishing when you miss the shot. like have less bullets in the magazine so you can't spam it the gun itself fits the game perfectly imho
2020-02-26 17:55
Not that powerful? hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. 12/13 top rated players in 2019 were awpers MSL got an MVP in a tier 1 event because of the awp Players like syrsoN go from 0.95 rating while rifling in tier 4 to 1.20 rating in tier 2 with the awp There are players averaging 1.40 rating in tier 1 events It's way too easy and way too strong
2020-02-26 17:58
#144
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Ukraine ksay 
you don't understand the only thing it shows is that it's a better gun not that it is OP if you are a dedicated person that spends 4750 of team's money then you obviously should perform better and have a better placing on hltv top20 not to mention that teams are playing around the awper and support him in every way possible
2020-02-26 18:06
It wasn't like this in 1.6, the awp had clear counter plays. Flashes were stronger, you could rush them without going through mollies, DUMB repeeks were punished by wallbanging the retard awper. Now they do whatever they want, that's why they have 1.3 rating +, that's why every up and coming player is an awper (sh1ro, jamppi, poizon)
2020-02-26 18:15
#168
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Ukraine ksay 
sorry but i can't see it's being op when i am watchin cs having 1.2 rating is expected and i already explained why. especially when it's an hltv2.0 rating teams are still playing with 1 dedicated awper per team. sometimes don't even pick it up on the T-side if it is as OP as you are saying then current META would've been very different seems like you are just too obsessed with stats and don't wanna dig deeper
2020-02-26 18:31
You see s1mple going 24/3 on CT side mirage doing whatever the fuck he wants with the awp against a PROFESSIONAL TEAM and you can't see it being OP? K
2020-02-26 18:33
#182
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Ukraine ksay 
well he is s1mple he is having a good day he got AWP dropped to him he is playing against lesser team teammates support him nah sorry. i can't maybe you don't know what's OP OP is r8 that could kill you with one shot to the chest OP is early CZ that broke meta by outperforming some rifles and costing only 500$ OP is old TEC-9 that ruined ecos AWP is powered according to it's price and current meta you can just stop looking at stats and check the actual gameplay
2020-02-26 18:53
dont speak retard
2020-02-29 19:55
It would be considered OP if any AWPER could do the same as s0mple does LMAO
2020-02-26 15:21
Decrease firerate. It just fires too quickly to punish people missing shots, because they can just repeek. And shoulder peeking to bait out shots and/or peeking immediately after awp takes a shot is almost useless, because awp is too quick to take another shot again.
2020-02-26 16:18
Now ALEX getting free stats with the awp, so funny, anyone can use this trash op weapon
2020-02-26 17:31
#125
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Ukraine ksay 
it costs like op gun /closed
2020-02-26 17:37
THE SG IS OP NOT THE AWP
2020-02-26 17:41
#130
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Spain akproxx 
i think this is the most low iq thread i ever did people notice that u can use utility?
2020-02-26 17:50
it can only shoot once every 3 seconds though. yes in 1v1 its strong. in xvx it is not. the actual issue is that people are fucking dumb and when an awp shoots, and they have 3 seconds to return fire and trade kills, they go bait each other in corners.
2020-02-26 17:56
Can you respond in time? Maybe Imy problem is that I react only after the full sound effect have played out for my mind to register it, which is pretty long. I've made plenty of fails at trying to punish awp misses that I've given up on it.
2020-02-26 18:01
yes? its almost 3 seconds. you can literally empty an AK magazine in 3 seconds. in cod 4 snipers had about 1.5x faster firing rate than in this game and people could still respond in time
2020-02-26 18:02
What, I recall commonly being able to shoot maybe 3 shots with ak. Still takes time to peek out the awp.
2020-02-26 18:03
the thing is that you cant punish an awp alone. you need teamwork to do it. if an awper peeks you and youre alone, you probably already lost. one of the reasons why this game isnt much fun playing casually without a regular team.
2020-02-26 18:03
Why are you talking like walls are wallbangable? In banana inferno, for example, you can go from aiming down banana at wall -> shoot and go to corner aiming at people jumping at woods/rushing wall -> shoot and go first oranges to catch the 1st guy rushing -> shoot and go back to new box or pillar and get 2 or 3 more free shots. That's literally what ZywOo does every time he goes banana
2020-02-26 18:04
yes if you have an awp in one of those spots on a map where you can keep falling back to corners and every time the next corner is slightly closer than the previous one you cant get caught. this is the design of the map. if inferno didnt have that, it would be impossible to defend the map as CT with 5 players. the counter play to this, where you already know at start of round where enemy will be and how he will move, is called "utility". you can use it to force your opponent not to play the strongest spots in the most predictable way. for example use flash bangs or molotov or throw 2-3 HE grenades on top of his position over the roofs.
2020-02-26 18:07
Yes, just use your crystal ball and predict where the awper will aggro pick from, that's why they "ONLY" have 70%+ success rate on opening kills. Thanks!!!!11!!!
2020-02-26 18:08
if its predictable you can predict it. if its not predictable then he's not doing the same thing every time.
2020-02-26 18:10
Looked up stats and youvre wrong on 3 secs. It's ~1.46seconds delay in between awp shots in csgo. Its not 1.6 version of awp.
2020-02-26 18:17
okay but its still a lot slower than in other shooters like cod4 or currently, more casual shooters like warface or battle royale games it feels like 3 seconds to me
2020-02-26 18:19
Not slow enough for me to punish awp misses. It worked in 1.6, now so far in csgo peeking awp after I hear a shot seems like a suicide.
2020-02-26 18:20
it takes more than 1 guy. if the awp misses you, you are probably going behind cover when he misses. after you realize he missed, you need to go from moving the wrong way or at best from standstill into peeking the other way, so the awper will be in his cover before you can shoot at him. if you have a buddy close by behind different cover, that guy can peek the awp when he shoots at you, instead of after, then there is more time to shoot. but actually, thats still not a good position for your side, because the awp will get a chance to shoot. instead of getting into a situation where the awp has to miss you, and then gets a chance to get away, its better to try to double peek him immediately. but that requires practiced setups and coordinated utility and practiced timings for info peeks behind that utility so you will know when the awp is pushing. its the same thing as in strategy games, because cs is a pretty strategic game. at low level, certain units are super strong because people simply need 200APM and quick decisionmaking and practiced defenses to be able to deal with them properly. but for professional players who have all these skills it is balanced.
2020-02-26 18:29
It used to take shoulder peeking to bait out a shot to get a jump on awp in 1.6. Now baiting out shots have next to no value other than information.
2020-02-26 18:31
yeah even if you bait a shot you cant swing out against good players. in pugs the only thing that works for me is to buy one of 3 weapons: awp, scout, or sg, if you need to 1v1 awps. if its not possible to rely on team strats to stop awp from 1v1ing people, you dont want your teammates who dont have awp themselves to die to it one by one you kind of have to go fight him. but if you get that one magic matchmaking game where you do get 4 ppl who want to play together and its fun, and you can ask them to help you, its suddenly a lot easier to deal with static awpers with rifles and smgs and pistols.
2020-02-26 18:35
In 1.6 awpers couldn't be static, because firing a shot commonly forces awper to fall back and take another angle. The idea of static awper with no counterplay other than just nades, that's boring to me. I want more skill to be involved around playing against and with awp than just be a wall that gets free frags.
2020-02-26 18:49
its a oneshot bolt action rifle, theres not really any way around it being a wall you run into if you cant beat it to the corner. imo its not even the worst problem in the game. im much more opposed to having a one shot headshot rifle that is only accurate to 20 meters which forces players to almost exclusively play close range positions, or spray whole mags at long range because spray and pray actually gets you better % chance than tapping because the gun is so inaccurate. compared to the monstrosity called the ak47 the awp seems like a well balanced well thought out weapon to me.
2020-02-26 20:26
yes awp op..only noobs cry top 10 and 20 full of awpers
2020-02-26 17:57
if AWP is so OP, why teams just don't play with 5 awps ? ez major win
2020-02-26 18:11
#152
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Portugal astacp 
3 guys robbing a bank with 3 war tanks doesnt mean thats the best way to rob a bank but tanks are op for sure.
2020-02-26 18:13
that would be hillarious af to be honest haha :D "just put the money in the turret barrel and stfu or we blast ya away"
2020-02-26 18:17
#162
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Portugal astacp 
u got me, maybe thats the best way to rob a bank xDD
2020-02-26 18:18
2020-02-26 18:17
lmao that's so ridiculous xD n0rb3r7 tilting after the match :D imgur.com/a/mgnfXWH
2020-02-26 18:22
most retarded thread i've ever seen
2020-02-26 18:13
#159
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United States America! 
+1
2020-02-26 18:17
stop play/watch CS then
2020-02-26 18:14
#155
Monkey | 
Poland $o$ 
Lul dont play with awp CUZ this is OP xaxax
2020-02-26 18:15
I would say that awp is easy in pugs, but you have no idea how hard is in pro level...
2020-02-26 18:54
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. 12/13 top rated pros in 2019 were awpers, it dominates from tier 1 to tier 4
2020-02-26 18:59
Yes, but you need to know how to play AWP, not everyone is good with AWP.
2020-02-26 19:01
MSL had a MVP in a tier 1 event with the awp, players like syrsoN go from 0.95 rating while rifling in tier 4 to 1.20 rating while awping in tier 2. It's definitely easier than rifling, specially on CT side when you have to go m4 against Krieg
2020-02-26 19:02
#193
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Poland Adisky 
awp is more expensive so maybe lets nerf ak because its better than glock? stop pls
2020-02-27 08:06
0/8
2020-02-27 07:53
#192
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Poland Adisky 
facepalm
2020-02-27 08:04
so the awp, a gun that costs nearly 5k is OP because the best player in the world is good with it, good point there
2020-02-27 21:08
#129 #135
2020-02-27 21:09
So your logic is AWPers have better rating = AWP is OP And that is your conclusion without bringing in any of the dozens of factors. The AWP is a KD weapon, people who main the AWP usually have a great KD due to the gun being so expensive, your team cannot afford consistently buying the AWP and losing it so therefor they often save it, especially considering that the AWP is generally not good for retakes which is a huge con. So the rating AWPers does not always equal impact considering you very often go for saves with it and get exits (device) The AWPer generally gets more support than other roles and the AWPer is usually the most ''skilled'' player on the team considering that you cannot afford to not perform with a 5k gun. The AWP is the most expensive gun that is used and there's several cons and counters in top level play. Mainly flashes to counter common AWP angles, smoking them off (which is much more effective than smoking off a player with a rifle since they can spray through) and mollying off common AWP positions (top-banana and default A-plant on Inferno are two common examples) Jiggle-peeks are also very effective to not only spot awpers but to make them misfire. You have to be incredibly intelligent and skilled to perform with the AWP in top-tier counter-strike. Something that you can't comprehend because you're getting destroyed by it in your gold nova 3 games.
2020-02-27 21:32
"You have to be incredibly intelligent and skilled to perform with the AWP in top-tier counter-strike" Delusional awper detected. MSL had an MVP in a tier 1 event, do I have to say anything else? Flashes in CS:GO are weak, and you're talking like a team will know where the awper is at all time. Awpers are always within the top of entry fragging %, and they do it with 70%+ success rates. And this is in tier 1~2 CS, not even fully structured pro teams are able to counter it. The only downside is the price, that's it. And, as I said, the price is mostly irrelevant thanks to the new economy and the fact that teams usually are able to pick up the weapon even when the awper manages to die, resulting in a rebuy of only 3000/3100, not 4750.
2020-02-27 21:39
''Awpers are always within the top of entry fragging %, and they do it with 70%+ success'' Please provide stats for AWPers having 70% success rate in entries. MSL's MVP event was a one of fluke, things like that happen. Has he done it again since then? And how consistent has he been with the AWP since then? ''Usually'' able to pick it up''? No, most of the time the AWP is drop it won't be recovered. Sometimes it will be but most of the time not. ''The price is mostly irrelevant thanks to the new economy'' XDDDDDD Alright now you're just baiting. The new economy means at max a couple more buyrounds per game but that you think that the gun costing nearly 5k is irrelevant proves how braindead you are. Flashes aren't weak, they are in a good place, just how effective they should be for 200$. The enemy team doesn't know where the AWPer is, but there's only certain amounts of common AWP-positions unless the AWPer takes a huge risk and is aggressive. Actually pay attention to the games and you will realise how many counters teams are using versus AWPers. If you're seeing AWPers dominate then it's usually one of the best players in the world (s1mple, zywoo, dev1ce) They play the role so well that it looks easy, but in fact it isn't, they are just that good.
2020-02-27 22:04
"Please provide stats for AWPers having 70% success rate in entries." hltv.org/stats/leaderboards/duelsuccess/.. "The new economy means at max a couple more buyrounds per game but that you think that the gun costing nearly 5k is irrelevant proves how braindead you are." Delusional and in denial. I'll look at one primary awper, as an example. KennyS the last month: 157 awp kills 31 ak kills 14 m4a1 kills They get as many awps as they want with the new economy, yes, this is a fact. "Flashes aren't weak" Again, clueless: youtube.com/watch?v=YBMHhQjXWuA 90 degrees turn and you're already not flashed at all, pros are able to dodge flashes while zoomed in. And IF they ended up flashed by a pixel-perfect pop flash, they can simply take a shot while blind and fall back without getting punished because of impenetrable walls. "best players in the world (s1mple, zywoo, dev1ce" These 3 were previously riflers that simply decided to pick up the awp because of how easy + strong it is. reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/96.. Next?
2020-02-27 22:13
bye wont get baited anymore
2020-02-27 22:25
The reply that I expected. At least you understand that you are outmatched.
2020-02-27 22:26
Nope, i wrote a reply, you linking a filter of the last 7 days, including all teams aswell as online matches proves how delusional you are.
2020-02-27 22:28
hltv.org/stats/leaderboards/duelsuccess/.. Here you go, a legit filter with top 30 teams, on LAN and a good sample size (6 months) Not fucking last 7 days with all teams including online games XD So why does zero players have 70%+ success rate when you said awpers have 70%+? ''They get as many awps as they want with the new economy, yes, this is a fact.'' Lmao, im done here. Gl in your gold nova games.
2020-02-27 22:27
Top5 all awpers, do you think 60% is low in high tier CS? Hilarious Reduce it to 45 maps, and now the top 8 are all awpers as well, including the BEASTS allu and acoR. hltv.org/stats/leaderboards/duelsuccess/.. "Lmao, im done here" Hm, did you miss this? "KennyS the last month: 157 awp kills 31 ak kills 14 m4a1 kills" Divide 157 by 2 (CT and T), and the M4 kills are only 17% of the gun round kills, the remaining 83% are all awp kills. Damn, guess 4.750 is not that expensive, huh? Again, next?
2020-02-27 22:36
No, 60% is obviously good but that isn't the point. The point is that you said that they have 70% and then continued to try to trick me by linking some bullshit filter on the last 7 days, including online matches and lowtier teams... The AWP is powerful, that's why it's so expensive and effective, especially in entries. Yea, those are some insane stats but it's still for one individual so it's a terrible sample size, we can't draw any conclusions about a gun based on one individual. Especially when that one individual is one of the pure awpers in the game were as most players are hybrids. The gun is incredibly strong, as it should be considering the price. Even with the new economy it's a high price, I don't know where you got the idea that 4750$ is a irrelevant with the new economy, the patch didn't have that massive of a change... And like i told you earlier, the KD of an awper does not always necessarily equal impact.
2020-02-27 22:47
Poizon 273 awp kills 33 SG kill 7 m4 kills s1mple, a hybrid 290 awp kills 113 sg kills 24 m4 kills Cerq 136 awp kills 57 SG kills 13 m4 kills There are no bomb bonuses in CT side, the weapons are more expensive, and you have to buy defuse kits. STILL, players are able to have awps as much as they want, we're taking about a 10:1 ratio when comparing the awp to the m4. Considering they can afford awps in the most expensive side, the SG kills are merely situational for fast rounds/ rushes. 273, 33 and 7. That's what a pure awper is able to afford if he wants to. And we're talking about poizon/coL, they had a 58% win rate, it's not like they're winning 90% of their matches and being able to afford guns every round.
2020-02-27 22:57
Yea, I guess AWP's are being affored more often than I thought myself, still it often comes at the cost of something else, you have to skip half buys the round before gunrounds or another teammate will have to sacrifice their buy to get you an awp (Often the case with s1mple in Navi) Still my opinion is that the Awper is the star of the team and often the best player who is set up to perform considering they have the best gun in the game + the fact that the rating of an awp doesn't always mean impact. Still I can understand your opinion that the extent of the awp impact might be too much sometimes but that's usually when some of the best players in the world are using it and performing exceptionally. + why didn't you include AK kills? Surely a large % is from the ak aswell.
2020-02-27 23:21
AK kills are 13 cerq, 21 poizon, 55 s1mple. I agree that a lot of good players are awpers, but my worst concern is how much better everyone gets when they turn into awpers. ZywOo, device and s1mple are good riflers, but they are better and much more impactful as awpers. syrsoN goes from 0.95 rating in tier 4 CS while fulltime rifling to constant 1.15~1.20 rating in tier 2. MSL gets an MVP in a tier 1 event. yay, a career 1.05 rating rifler goes to 1.27 rating as an awper in Lazarus (45 maps). cold, olof, s1mple, ZywOo. All top1 players in HLTV since GTR in 2013 were primary or secondary awpers, and got worse (cold, olof) once they stopped awping. All up and coming players are awpers (Jamppi, sh1ro, poizon, xsepower, hallzerk). There are simply not enough counter to awpers right now. Mollies + impenetrable walls + weak flashes + new economy + 16k OT make awpers' life too easy.
2020-02-27 23:40
I agree but it's not as simple as them all of a sudden becoming good when they awp, it's a lot to do with the AWPers being supported and playing in a role where you are set up to get ''easy'' kills. On the T-side for example they are one of the last to enter sites as you usually have a player with rifle going first. On the CT side you just take low risk angles and in the case of them entering the opposite site you usually end up saving thus getting even better KD. I think the SG is a bigger issue considering that it's pretty much good in every area aswell as the ability to have 5 of them at the same time. Were as even 2 awpers is a big risk considering they aren't as versatile and aren't as viable in retakes. I don't think it's an issue having one very powerful gun in the game, having all guns equally balanced would create boring gameplay imo. The AWP is suppost to be very powerful and each team makes sure that their AWPer has impact considering the value of the gun (even in this economy) It's kind of like having one raid boss in each team. There would be an issue if it was viable for all 5 players to use the gun (old AUG is prime example) but the AWP is often only viable for 1 person on T-side and sometimes 2 players on CT-side and even then there's notable downsides such as the cost, the 100$ kill bonus and the versatility although I can agree on it being extremely impactful when used correctly.
2020-02-28 00:08
#198
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United States ClickHole 
Flag and name check out
2020-02-27 21:10
+1
2020-02-27 21:14
#201
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Italy bennyhana 
make awp do 99 dmg body shot
2020-02-27 21:33
#204
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Bulgaria cuddleslut 
-1
2020-02-27 22:04
maybe yeah recently havu or some team won 6-14 to 15-15 with 5 awps or auto snipers and won in overtime.
2020-02-27 22:15
#212
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Mongolia k0ng0 
Nice suggestion. Now please delete your account and go play apex legends on ps3.
2020-02-27 22:31
#219
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United States JustBitsy 
get rid of the throw flashbang sound cue. Maybe make one for pulling the pin but why for the throw?
2020-02-27 23:42
Go play fortinte kid ,go wash your teeth before sleeping and drink water.
2020-02-28 09:16
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