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in usa do you not believe that people deserve medicare ? universal healthcare works in alot of different countries why would it not in america. people are being put on debt for life and so much stress just so corporations can profit off of simple human needs.
2020-02-25 22:37
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Maybe American people do not need it since they vote for Trump?
2020-02-25 22:38
yeah true. i guess they prefer to be in debt for the rest of their life when they get sick.
2020-02-25 22:39
??? apparently they aren't since they do not want it?
2020-02-25 22:40
#14
World Jeza 
Well, he lost the popular vote, so strictly speaking...
2020-02-25 22:43
#25
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Bulgaria CHAPOLE! 
You have to realise you are speaking to one of the dumbest fucks on this site, truly feel sorry for the brain damaged kid he will have once he grows up
2020-02-25 22:46
Dumbest because I do not share the same views like you?
2020-02-25 22:50
#46
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Bulgaria CHAPOLE! 
You think I care about what some rabid dog making 400 euros a month thinks about politics? I think you are a retard because you have the reading comprehension of a 10-year-old yet come out with hot takes and arguments that you can never defend if somebody pushed back even slightly. That being said typical reactionary conservative.
2020-02-25 22:59
Do you think I care about someone who immigrated to another country with their parents money, became a blind socialist sheep led by totally crazy people who are driving the world into totally crazy lawless, anarchist state, people who are promoting violence and are ready to do anything to achieve their goals? I just do not care about your opinion, please stay in the UK and do us a favor.
2020-02-25 23:06
#66
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Yugoslavia al0)) 
thx for proving his point
2020-02-25 23:59
Majority of Americans want it genius
2020-02-26 00:00
No you are right health care is one issue that Trump has been bad on and it's probably one of the only issues that Bernie could really nail him on as even Bernie's plan that he himself has stated is impossible to actually know the cost of is better than the current system because of how shit the current system is and how much worse Obama made it by forcing people to sign up to shitty insurance companies, There are so many ways the American health care system could be made better even without making it public funded but I do support a public funded health care system I think it gives the most optimal care to the most people and people that are rich can still go private if they like it's just poor people shouldn't have to go bankrupt because of medical bills.
2020-02-27 19:41
indeed. and the people who argue that "but people die in queue" are just delusional. yes there is people who die when they are terminally sick and need a very special treatment from a few specialists that are booked. but the main premise of providing healthcare for the citizens for free or a cheap price is so much better than leaving people to death because they cannot afford the cost.
2020-02-27 19:45
I mean queues are a problem in some places for some operations and in places like Greece that literally don't have an economy to sustain their programs but in wealthy countries they are usually better at moderating them so people get seen relative to their needs and the reason there are queues a lot of the time is because a lot of people are being treated I think it's something crazy like 40,000 people in America die every year because they just can't afford to go to the doctor or don;t want to because of the burden it would put on their whole family it's kind of depressing especially given how wealthy the country is. I'll never be one of these people that just say everything Trump has done is bad because that's just factually wrong but he could have done more, I mean he went in saying he would drain the swamp and big pharma is one of the biggest donors to campaign super pacs and they are basically what is causing Americans to pay out the ass where as other countries pay much less for the same drugs.
2020-02-27 19:59
American people dont need it cuz they eat healthy !
2020-02-27 19:17
What do you expect from USA education system?
2020-02-25 22:39
most of the politicians and people that are in actual charge of laws are old. the education question has nothing to do with this right now. but yeah i think that usa education system is flawed as well forcing students to have multiple jobs and burning themselves out just to graduate will reduce the quality of graduates.
2020-02-25 22:41
They fucked it up in 70:s. The great USA was built on high taxes for the rich and college being near free for everyone.
2020-02-26 00:53
#4
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
I mean it "works" in Canada even though the wait times are considered a human rights violation.
2020-02-25 22:39
You've never been to Canada have you?
2020-02-25 22:41
#13
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
Im Canadian...
2020-02-25 22:43
Nice fakeflag
2020-02-25 22:43
#21
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
thanks
2020-02-25 22:44
having a universal healthcare does not delete private healthcare facilities. also if you are actually super sick and need instant care you will get it, the wait times for your sore nose might take couple of hours.
2020-02-25 22:43
I feel like any Canadian should know this, but maybe he's just low iq men))
2020-02-25 22:45
#29
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
people die in the queue for healthcare meanwhile all of our doctors are hopping the border to operate in the states. If you think our healthcare is ideal you are very very wrong.
2020-02-25 22:48
When has anyone in a critical condition ever been put in a queue? Seems like you're just pulling stuff out of your ass m8.
2020-02-25 22:51
#39
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
if you think people in Canada dont die waiting to see a doctor you're delusional and im sorry for you.
2020-02-25 22:53
LOL anyone who's at serious risk when emitted to a hospital is seen to immediately. Not sure what country you've been living in pal. Not gonna continue to argue with an uninformed, uneducated moron. If you like the US healthcare system so much maybe you should move there. Love to see how that works out for ya.
2020-02-25 22:55
#44
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
i never said i liked the U.S healthcare, it comes with an insane price tag. But you get treatment quickly. However Canadian healthcare is "free" but the wait times are incredibly long. Neither should be the basis for new healthcare structures.
2020-02-25 22:57
Dude i live in a country with universal healthcare and i can say with 100% certainty that what you just said is incorrect. you can get treatment very quickly if you need it.
2020-02-27 19:15
#111
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
Dude, ive already shown you an article proving you are wrong, and i also live in a country with universal healthcare.
2020-02-27 19:17
okay so 12 people died in 2019, it is very worrying but how about this: edition.cnn.com/2019/11/12/health/us-can.. theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/amer.. there might be deaths on some patients that require special treatment and have a limited amount of doctors to deal with it. but atleast people arent dying because they cant afford healthcare.
2020-02-27 19:24
#119
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
The first one is a survey which isnt conclusive, and the example shown in the guardian article talk about people losing jobs then losing their healthcare plans. Now it is terrible that this is happening and overprices but your examples are relative. Youre going to get one end to both means. If you have universal healthcare people will die waiting, if you have private healthcare people might not be able to afford healthcare. Either way you will end up with people dying.
2020-02-27 20:06
there is no perfect world. still there is less people dying on universal healthcare than americas profit driven profitcare.
2020-02-27 20:48
#123
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
True i just think its more important to have healthcare at all times rather than having wait times. I do agree though, there is no perfect world.
2020-02-27 20:53
people do not die in the queue lmao :D have any kind of proof for that ? everyone in need of urgent help will get it.
2020-02-25 22:54
#42
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/heart-surger.. this happens all the time, not everyone gets the help they need because Canadian doctors operate in the states for months.
2020-02-25 22:55
okay so that just proves america doesnt have enough of capable doctors and force canadians to come down and sacrifice their own people ? huh ?
2020-02-25 22:58
#49
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
No it doesn’t. American doctors can operate independently compared to Canadian doctors. If anything it proves America has a surplus of doctors. There is also no assumption that the states are “forcing” Canadian doctors to operate in the states. It is simply better for business compared to Canada.
2020-02-25 23:02
okay so canadian docs are just hired for shits and giggles all day. they are bad and their country kills patients on the line but lets hire them because they are worse than our doctors THAT WE HAVE SURPLUS OF.
2020-02-25 23:08
#55
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
You don’t understand. They willingly go to the states because they make more money in the states.
2020-02-25 23:11
but you have a surplus of world class doctors. SURPLUS means you have more than you need. why would you even hire canadians that are inferior according to you ?
2020-02-25 23:17
#60
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
I didn’t say they were inferior. Canadian doctors are going to the states by choice.
2020-02-25 23:23
He has an article about 12 people in one province, in one of the biggest cities in Canada, and he's trying to use that as proof that tons of people die every day on some wait list. His claims are utter nonsense.
2020-02-25 23:00
#27
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
see the thing is you assume if you're severely ill you will get it instantly, that is where you are wrong, People die waiting for an appointment regularly, it will never be anywhere near as fast as the united states. Which leads to the question of whats more valuable, money or your life ? Of course since everyone is trying to bump themselves up the queue then it slows down the whole process. For me if i wanted to go to the hospital in my city, it would take me 4 hours to see a doctor. Im Canadian btw.
2020-02-25 22:47
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WARDELL | 
Canada ZHF 
Exactly. I’m tired of uneducated idiots saying our healthcare sucks because LoNg WaIt TiMeS
2020-02-25 22:48
#31
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
they arent "LoNg WaIt TiMeS" they are bordering on being a human rights violation.
2020-02-25 22:49
imagine talking about human right violations when you support corporations controlling everything and making citizens slave for life because they had an illness.
2020-02-25 23:01
#51
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
People in America have health plans and benefits. Canadian health care also isn’t free. You don’t have to pay a tax in the states. And I would rather have corporations control everything then the government.
2020-02-25 23:06
yeah. have you seen any of the studies ? the current american "healthcare" system is so much more expensive that it should be. it is profit driven on the lives of americans. all the deductibles and premiums are bullshit. BULLSHIT. the whole nation would save money having universal healthcare rather than the profit driven corporate showdown.
2020-02-25 23:11
#59
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
I’m not gunna argue that American healthcare isn’t overpriced. But to cancel all pre exisitng plans and convert to a universal healthcare I don’t feel is possible in the states
2020-02-25 23:22
why is it not possible ?
2020-02-27 19:08
#109
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
Because you are effectively destroying all "better" healthcare plans to force people to pay the new taxes and use the nationwide healthcare. i just dont think thats something thats likely to happen with ease.
2020-02-27 19:16
how does funding the healthcare through government and taxed destroy the "better" healthcare plans. it would just literally cut out the greed of corporations to make it cheaper for the citizens while getting the same treatment.
2020-02-27 19:19
#118
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
There is a difference in quality between universal healthcare and private healthcare. It destroys the purpose of private healthcare because you would need to pay the taxes anyways so what is the point of having private healthcare if your pay cheque is already going to universal healthcare.
2020-02-27 20:03
do you think corporations pay 100k to a doc for the surgery ? no. they pocket the money and pay the surgeon couple k. the point of private healthcare is to get to a doctor faster for a normal problem. if you want to get your teeth fixed you can go to a private facility faster than waiting for public one. still it does not take away from the quality, you can get your teeth fixed on public but yeah you might have to wait a bit and get the same treatment.
2020-02-27 20:44
#121
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
See i dont mind having both options but Canada doesnt allow that. If USA adopted both a universal healthcare and private healthcare i would be absolutely fine with that, but if they choose to stream everybody into the universal stream i dont think it would work.
2020-02-27 20:46
if canada does not allow that, then they are in the wrong and does not represent countries who does it right. i am not familiar with canada so i can not comment. but who said usa healthcare should be like canadas ?
2020-02-27 20:54
#127
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
Well im from Canada and it isnt legal for independent healthcare like the states. Im saying USA's healthcare will end up like Canadas because everytime it is proposed it is based off of Canadas model, the whole plan for universal healthcare would be very similar to Canada's. If in Finland you can have both then i think that would be the best option.
2020-02-27 20:57
well bernie is advocating for nordic countries and the scandinavia that allow private healthcare but also want the government to give out universal healthcare. that indeed is the best solution.
2020-02-27 20:59
#129
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
Yep i agree completely, i think that option minimizes both wait times and overly expensive healthcare.
2020-02-27 21:01
glad we can agree.
2020-02-27 21:05
Why would you trust major corperations who are driven by profit rather than a state that is only driven by giving you treatment. The free market is beautiful but it is proven time and time again to suck in essential services compared to the public sector You are so insecure you do these mental gymnastics to try so hard not be seen as a "leftie" Simple as this, you are siding with major corperations who dont give a fuck about you
2020-02-26 00:05
#72
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Sri Lanka ImSpecial 
Corporations are bound by law. Id rather have a corporation who has to follow the law not give a fuck about me. Then to be completely subjected to those who can change the law.
2020-02-26 00:09
Mate are you retarded? Do you know what the rule of law means? Everyone is bound to it, including the state. In addition this, the big pharma companies are so cashed up, they are the law. They have so much money and control they can do whatever the fuck they want. Think NRA and gun control. The only man with the balls to call them out is Bernie. Trump has balls? Right, hell admit the Australian healthcare system stomps on the US system, yet for four years doesnt address it.
2020-02-26 00:15
+1
2020-02-25 22:50
+1+1+1+1+1 How do they not understand its a matter of who pays the bill
2020-02-26 00:06
+1
2020-02-26 00:31
#101
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Canada ProvexPyker 
+1
2020-02-26 06:42
#7
HUNDEN | 
Germany Alright1 
"but free healthcare is for leftwing socialists, id rather pay 100k for getting a health check at the hospital!" xaxa
2020-02-25 22:41
100k? that's the lowest they pay they usually pay 500k for a check up
2020-02-25 22:41
#10
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Maldives Valorant 
USA dont give a fuck about poor people. Selfish country, but Iran will destroy them soon
2020-02-25 22:42
lul
2020-02-25 22:42
#20
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Brazil fuNNa 
OMEGATOPKEKLOL
2020-02-25 22:44
xd
2020-02-26 01:13
I already like this crazy Iranian motherfaker, good humor haha
2020-02-29 19:56
I’m pretty sure right-wing people think Medicare for all is “socialist” or some BS
2020-02-25 22:42
They think that anything that isn't a fat businessman burning stacks of money is "socialist".
2020-02-25 22:46
+1 true
2020-02-25 22:47
not true
2020-02-25 22:48
care to elaborate ? how is that not true. right wing is all about guns and freedom and they prefer the "survival of the fittest" mentality and letting corporations profit off of basic human rights. they just say that you are weak if you cant come by while they are making bank in the politics. they dont care about the working class that is the foundation of a nation.
2020-02-29 19:20
Look like 3 posts down from this #17, there's a whole series of post about it.
2020-02-29 19:22
okay well thats is a load of bs. you live the way to pay. you cant expect to live in hollywood with a entry level job and we arent here to argue the living costs. we are here to discuss healthcare. multiple studies have proved that universal healthcare would save money on average compared to stupid high premiums and deductibles. ofc someone who doesnt get sick on their lifetime does pay for someone else who does get unlucky. is that a bad thing ? we are all humans do you want to watch your nice neighbour die of some disease because you dont want to pay a bit more on taxes ? to me that is just wrong. you really seem to be supporting the survival of the fittest mentality.
2020-02-29 19:34
I don't think you really understand the severity of my point. It isn't just hollywood. It isn't just new york, its more than half of the country, as I explained. The only people his healthcare plan will benefit is people in poverty. The last 70% of your post doesn't make much sense at all. I don't think you read even close to all of my post. I never said I didn't want healthcare for everyone thats not even REMOTELY close to what I said. This entire thread isn't about that it's about Bernie's plan being bad, that's literally all I was arguing against and your trying to use morals to make me feel bad about an opinion that I don't have.
2020-02-29 19:40
unfortunately i did waste my time reading the whole post you sent. who does the current healthcare system benefit ? rich. is it bad to help out the people in poverty ? also i never said you didnt want healthcare for all i just said you seem to support the mentality of fittest survival, get rich or die because u cant afford healthcare. there is always going to be some1 taking the fall but i'd say the poor should get the help and rich should pay for it. the rich is rich already and can pay for the next 3 generations of their relatives. and yes i do support people working hard and making money, getting rich but i also believe that they should help out their fellow humans who arent making as much. also its not like the rich is giving out 90% of their net worth to charity.
2020-02-29 19:47
Obviously you didn't read my post because your arguing against the current healthcare system. Which I haven't even touched on. You arguing semantics when I was arguing the specifics of why Bernie's healthcare plan won't work. If you want to actually argue against any point that I was making and not just what you think I think then go for it. But its just a fact that Bernie's plan doesn't make sense. But I would love for someone to come up with a plan that does.
2020-02-29 19:50
i literally just argued against your point of the bernies plan only benefiting the poor. for so long american system has benefited the rich so i support benefiting the poor for once, the ones that are making the rich, rich. why would bernies plan to help the poor not work ? also you are accusing me of talking about what i feel and then claim bernies plan wont work as a fact even though that is just how you feel about the plan.
2020-02-29 19:55
If you HONESTLY think that its impossible to help the poor without drastically hurting every middle class person in the country then your delusional. You keep whining about wanting to stop helping the rich when that isn't even the slightest bit close to anything I talked about. Its like you want to hurt the rich, even if it doesn't benefit anyone else. You've talked about all these studies you've read so you MUST be plenty educated in the fact that healthcare for all can EASILY be achieved in america without hurting a single middle class family and not taking hundreds of billions from the rich either. And its not how I feel about the plan, its a fact. You haven't given a single reason why anything I said in #82 is wrong. You just say that I should want to help people more and not worry about hurting the rich, which is so far off its like your arguing with a different person and copy pasting your responses to me.
2020-02-29 20:04
i said im all up for people making money and getting success, i dont want to stop the rich. all the studies like i said are just simple facts that americans would save money on universal healthcare compared to current insurance driven profit-fest, i dont think im any smarter than anyone else. do you have any proof that it is a fact and not what you feel about bernies plan ? feels like everytime i say something you say i said something different. cya.
2020-02-29 20:07
There is no "study" about a specific persons healthcare plan, just analysis that's only ever done by people who already support it. The only "studies" that have been done are about healthcare in general, not about Bernie's plan. Yes I explained it very thoroughly why it wouldn't work in #82, and it is so much in depth way more than just helping the poor hurting the rich. You can't even fathom the severity of his plan hurting every single person in the country that isn't in poverty, If you don't understand that even when I very carefully explained it then I don't know why are you are even arguing?
2020-02-29 20:12
you didnt explain anything in-depth. you say that middle class would be taxed more than they are currently which is true but they would pay way less on healthcare costs making up for the paid taxes and more. i guess europe is just a hoax where people can afford healthcare and life.
2020-02-29 20:20
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ropz | 
Canada Bucket0 
i mean isnt it technically a socialist health care system?, but that doesnt mean the country becomes a completely socialist country and sadly most americans think its either complete socialism or complete anti socialist
2020-02-26 01:13
Yea what I meant is the second part of your comment
2020-02-26 04:46
Everyone above me is autismo, its not that we don't want healthcare for all. Its that no one has a good plan of how to get it to all people, all the plans so far are just crazy high taxes for the middle class that hurt everyone except the poorest of the poor.
2020-02-25 22:43
Bernies tax plan doesnt affect them m.imgur.com/uZtaYTv
2020-02-26 00:17
Bernie admitted that taxes will go up for everyone who makes more than 29k a year, and everyone who makes less will pay nothing in taxes. youtube.com/watch?v=HreWAip4hfQ 29k - 50K Is middle class. And its lower class for urban areas like LA and new york where half of the population lives. Which means middle class in those areas will be taxed more as if they aren't struggling enough to make a living in those areas. My first entry level job out of highschool i made 23k in a year, 1 or 2 more dollars per hour and my taxes would go up insanely high with bernie's tax plan if it is how he himself says it would be. And I was in a rural and poor area making barley enough to move out of my parents house. I like Bernie, I think that he truly wants whats best. I don't think he's a communist like a lot of right wing people say. However his tax plan doesn't make sense and the way he talks about it is all over the place. I think healthcare should be a human right, but I don't think his healthcare plan would benefit America at all. And on another note, most right wing people who disagree with healthcare for all disagree with it for one of two reasons. 1. They think that the middle and upper class would just end up paying more in difference of taxes than they did for their healthcare and so far that would be the case with a lot of the dem candidates proposals. 2. They don't think that one human should be responsible for paying for another human that they don't knows healthcare. I think that's selfish, but I also think its a valid opinion, its not stupid and ignorant its just different than my own. Saying "all right wingers are just fat idiots burning money who think healthcare for all is socialist" is no different than a right winger saying "all lefties are libtards who think with their feelings and not facts"
2020-02-26 00:50
So you think it's better that some middle class has to pay upwards 10k a year for healthcare insurance instead of everyone having to pay a progressive tax rate that likely would be like 500-700 a year or something like that for a middleclass man and when everyone pays it and you end the insane need of expensive insurances and focus on single payer fees. It's insane amount of moral issue the way insurance and pharmacist companies force people to pay like 10 times more just because of US's extreme capitalism (ie. lack of government interfearence). When I go to visit a doctor or even do some smaller operation which includes some overnight stays and 3-4 times a day food it costs like maybe in the range of 100 - 200€. Sure I pay some tax but it's nowhere near what the average US citizen spends on healthcare yearly. The only negative thing is it will longer the waiting times why private companies is a must for those who needs more urgent help and are willing to pay for it. Ofc in public health care there needs to be a reasonable queing system that lets urgent matters go beforehand which is also the case in europe. Still average queue times will be higher per citizen but it'll be worth it for the up to 10x lower cost, especially for middleclass and below.
2020-02-26 01:23
the funny thing is if u make between around 30k-60k, you are making less than someone whos making 28-29k lmfao because bernie isnt gonna tax anyone making below that threshold and the taxes for those abvoe that threshold is above 50% this is why bernie is a joke candidate and why we are all but guaranteed getting another 4 years of trump
2020-02-26 01:33
- 29k - middle class pick one LMFAO middle class here makes 30k+ easily lmfao and some states like nyc have $15 minimum wage but also have crazy living expenses. so are you telling me someone whos working a part time job to pay off college loans in new york may have to suffer over half of their income cut from taxes? delusioal that bill will never get passed
2020-02-26 01:31
What are you talking about?
2020-02-26 06:59
#18
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Israel OKOptimistic 
only betas need health insurance unlike alphas like me
2020-02-25 22:44
#36
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Italy steven513 
XAXAXAXAXA
2020-02-25 22:52
#84
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Finland Volodya_21 
I have government health insurance, but I can't opt out of it.
2020-02-26 00:59
that's why i love germany. if you think about it germany excels in every aspect [education (really good universities for free), healthcare (people don't go broke getting ill), welfare (you don't have to live on the streets when you lose your job)] and much more. people who are living in germany should just take a moment and compare the quality of life to other european countries or even the US (lmao)
2020-02-25 22:45
Germania is easily one of the greatest nations to exist.
2020-02-26 00:18
I like my vastly superior healthcare. Thanks. I dont want your free african doctors/nurses.
2020-02-25 22:47
2/8 for effort
2020-02-25 22:51
#37
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Italy steven513 
Lul
2020-02-25 22:53
nt burger I will donate to your gofundme when you need to call an ambulance :)
2020-02-25 22:53
nikki haley already tried the argument for others having worse quality while america had triple the deaths for new babies than other countries with cheaper and universal healthcare. try something else.
2020-02-25 22:55
America having superior healthcare is a fact. Your stupid baby mortality rate that every europoor loves to bring up doesn't have any relevance to my point. Your rich always come here for healthcare because it's the best in the world assuming you can pay for it.
2020-02-26 02:08
Aight delusional
2020-02-26 04:45
Aight peon
2020-02-26 12:58
Yikes youre an idiot
2020-02-26 00:19
#53
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United States ImFat 
So no one is making any arguments in here so let me try. The arguments that people are using against Medicare for all is: 1. It will lower the quality of care and slow medical innovation. Which is kinda true, for rich and upper middle class people their insurance might actually be better than a government run system. And as far as i know the advancement of medicine mostly comes from America, and is funded by these companies who profit off of the medicine and that drives innovation in medicine. (not all but majority) 2. Longer wait times for specialist, leading to possible death before care. People usually point to Canada and the U.K for this one, where it might take a long time to see a specialist and end up dying before getting to see one, As far as i know this is possible and true it might take months to get to a specialist, where in America I can get to a surgeon in 2 weeks. 3. how will it be paid. In America people are afraid of any taxes, it doesnt matter if they dont even get taxed, just the thought of a tax being placed and possibly hurting the economy is enough for people to run away. And with Sanders not being able to prove exactly where every cent is coming from is where people get really scared. 4. A lot of people dont want to lose their insurance, some people love their insurance and dont want to lose it in M4A But overall i support a Medicare For All but dont think its the best option I dont see a reason to eliminate Private insurance and i think it is a hard selling point, but i do think if Bernie or Warren were elected we would end up keeping some private insurance. I apologize if there is any spelling errors or maybe missing words or something i have been awake for 24h and am exhausted.
2020-02-25 23:11
It will also lose thousands of Americans their jobs, since he wants to immediately do away with all private healthcare. And some people just don't want to be responsible for paying for healthcare for others that they don't know the situation of, although that is selfish imo.
2020-02-26 01:07
why people deserve medicare? if everyone has his bills paid off, why would he control his greed for food/sex/addictions, protect himself, keep a healthy lifestyle and avoid dangers? everyone get punished for his own fool, laziness, greed, lust and bad emotions. this is how capitalism works.
2020-02-25 23:16
okay so you are saying that everything is individually caused. what if you get cancer in the coming years and fall in to a debt of hunderds of thousands. would you not want a second chance and be a good usable character for the society ? would you rather kill yourself under the stress ?
2020-02-25 23:21
thats why i dont smoke, dont eat barbecue or areca, dont bang chicks, avoid air pollution, avoid pesticide, avoid asbestos or radiation, seldom drink or eat bacon. and keep a good body shape, a regular time table, routine body checks. oh, and i work hard to save enough money for unpredicted diseases and accidents.
2020-02-25 23:40
#63
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Brazil wololo10 
You can get a cancer avoiding all of that. NA education lul
2020-02-25 23:49
you can always die from earthquake or nuclear war. so safety is not important? oh w8 what can i expect from a BRA71LIAN?
2020-02-25 23:59
Okay monk,have fun (unless it cause illness ofc)
2020-02-25 23:51
#67
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Europe twitchy_ 
Sadly for you, even if you don't do all those things you can still get cancer or have any accident or disease even if you don't search for it. Then what? Plus if you have the money and resources it's good, but there are other people who doesn't have that, and I'm sure that you'll think that they have what they deserve because they didn't put enough effort on studies or work or whatever, but sometimes shit happens and you can get fired tomorrow and need some time until you find a new work while you burn your savings. I mean, life is unpredictable, having a universal medicare is really good and you always can go for private at same time. But I suppose is better to vote for someone who loves new bombs or new aircrafts that could cost hundreds of millions to kill people from thousands of km away instead than having care of your own community.
2020-02-25 23:59
yeah, sometimes diseases and accidents are unavoidable. thats pure luck and we have to accept it. but luck doesnt change that, the rate you are caught by heavy disease, is MOSTLY decided by yourelf. every unhealthy enjoyment makes you MORE LIKELY stuck in it. i sacrificed much to avoid it and im more likely to get rid of them. its so fair for those who chose immediate enjoyments getting punished later. for example, i wont pay a single dollar for those HCV-infected patients. not i choose to let them die. THEY CHOSE to doom their life when they injected drugs or have unprotected sex. EARLY DEATH IS the appropriate answer for their choice. no, this is not discrimination. i do respect their chance of choosing their own. only if they themselves pay for their choices, rather than the whole society pay for them.
2020-02-26 00:21
#88
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Europe twitchy_ 
I was hoping something like embrace god or jesus or whatever at the end, but heavy disease are not decided by yourself men. Genetics plays a big part on some cancers (ask Angelina Jolie why she did a mastectomy even she doesn't had cancer at that time) for example or some other obvious diseases like down's syndrome, achondroplasia or many more. Maybe you have non on your family and you won the genetics roulette, but others lost that one and it's unfair when we have a society of plenty, that they are left there on their own. I could understand your thinking on a third world country, but on a first world where there's enough money and resources, it makes no sense at all. I have some friends from the states and people who work on places where they can earn like $100,000 a year, and every year I always saw more than one guy doing petitions on facebook because a friend or family gets cancer or X strange disease that's not covered by the health insurance at work, and as they can't work anymore, they are fucked and need to ask money to pay the medical bills. Guess what, I have much more friends from my own country, and never saw one of those, just because we have a universal healthcare system that helps on those, you only need to pay for parking bills at hospital.
2020-02-26 01:08
My grandfather was healthy, exercised everyday, never drank, always ate good food and raised three girls including my mom He died from a rare blood disease that only 4 other people in Australia had So fuck him right?
2020-02-26 00:23
sometimes diseases and accidents are unavoidable. thats like your city is hit by a meteorite or a nuclear bomb, just pure luck and we have to accept it. and i guess your grandfather died not because you dont have enough money, but because we have not even found a way to cure it, right?
2020-02-26 00:43
Exactly diseases are unavoidable, so why didnt he deserve medicare? Yeah it was uncurable, but he lived four more years than the 3 months given to him because he had healthy habits and had access to free healthcare in Australia.
2020-02-26 01:04
#62
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Sweden sesar 
Well, what you need to understand is that you can't just change it back, it can't be fixed.. so they just have to work with what they got. And honestly, I'd vote Trump any day over Hillary.
2020-02-25 23:43
due to same reason why others basic needs like water of food and shelter aren't free as well this world evolve around profit and it's the only value that people in power are obsessed with
2020-02-25 23:55
but healthcare is not free not even in universal healthcare countries, people need to understand this. it might be advertised as free but it is all paid by the citizens and taxes. the reason universal healthcare funded by taxes is great because it cuts out the corporate greed that wants to profit off of helpess citizens who are in need of healthcare.
2020-02-27 19:38
#80
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
America doesn't believe in healthcare, They prefer to pay 40k $ for birth of a child. They believe in guns tho and They call it "freedom". Obviously easy access to guns is the reason of school shootings or any mass shootings but who cares. FREEDOM
2020-02-26 00:40
#85
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United States krawfish23 
i know right the system is so unfair to us, the government is so full of fools. Let's have a revolution and change it! Oh wait we have no more guns to do that, well there goes that
2020-02-26 00:59
Unless you have special forces on your side you'll get smashed anyways. It's not 1861 anymore, the art of war has drastically evolved.
2020-02-26 01:34
#97
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United States krawfish23 
rather die fighting then trying to start a revolution with a butter knife
2020-02-26 04:03
you dont need guns for revolution. have brain when you elect your politicians and if they in some 7th universe became dangerous enough to warrant a revolution do you think all of the world would just look from the side ? also having strict gun laws does not mean a citizen cant have any weapons.
2020-02-29 19:11
#144
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United States krawfish23 
have brains for our politicians? have you looked at american politics a swamp of disgusting corrupt politicians on both sides this is something that wont get phased out any time soon and just incase they do try to oppress us, we can be ready
2020-02-29 20:01
a lot of people here are assuming a few things so ill clear it up (im an engineering student and if this dumb tax bill gets passed by chance bernie becomes president, which he wont, will affect me a lot because the average engineer salary fresh out of college is 50-70k min and goes up to 6 digits) - free health care will not kill private health providers and obviously wealthy people will want to keep their salary and not have it taxed heavily because paying that private health care provider will get them better care and cost less than having a massive salary taxed by a high percentage (assuming bernies insane 50%+ tax bill gets passed LMFAO). this is why a lot of americans, especially upper-middle class and up, do not support free health care for all - with that said, it is undeniable that america has some of the best PRIVATE healthcare in the world IF you can afford it. i say if because if you cant, oh well, have fun with 40k+ hospital bills. right now there is a severe imbalance of the best health care that will burn the average u.s citizen's savings and health care that is affordable and not horrendous right now, trump and bernie, the 2 most likely candidates to be in office, do not have the right answer. trumps tax cuts are screwing less fortunate people and while some may be lazy and not contribute anything to society, some work hard and just struggle to get out of their situation. and bernies insane tax bills will lessen the motivation to work in the american workforce because who the fuck wants to study and work their butts off their whole lives only for over 50% of their earnings to be taxed into free healthcare that they dont want when they can pay a private provider for much better healthcare? people who are making those big salaries that will be heavily taxed by bernies tax bills are more than happy to pay a private health provider for better care, which already exists. and that gives bernie a bad communist-esk rep in the eyes of many right wingers overall, obviously trumps will encourage more people to work hard for good jobs and ultimately, make more money to afford private health care. but there are areas in the u.s that need improvements and government funding to their health care system to not be disfunctional and our current taxes are not sufficient to fund it and before some people say "wHy dOeS tHe u.S hAvE MoNeY tO fUnD ThEiR MiLiTaRy bUt nOt hEaLtHcArE !!!!", the effects of 9/11 are still felt throughout 18.5 years after it happened and as a result, the u.s wants to prevent an attack of that caliber no matter what. also, yall gotta remember that the military personnel are paid a salary. otherwise, how will they support their families? we have the most powerful military on earth and intend on keeping it sorry if this was a lot and a bit messy, im kinda tired rn
2020-02-26 01:55
#100
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Where do you get the 50% tax number from? Because his PDF doc google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url.. says "4 percent income-based premium paid by households Revenue raised: $3.5 trillion over ten years. The typical middle class family would save over $4,400 under this plan. Last year the typical working family paid an average of $5,277 in premiums to private health insurance companies. Under this option, a typical family of four earning $50,000, after taking the standard deduction, would pay a 4 percent income-based premium to fund Medicare for All – just $844 a year – saving that family over $4,400 a year. Because of the standard deduction, families of four making less than $29,000 a year would not pay this premium."
2020-02-26 06:26
whether it’s false or not (it turned out to be false after this post rip my bad), the health care provided by this won’t be good. it’ll be average at best and while a 4% premium tax doesn’t sound like a horrendous idea, i’m afraid it won’t be paying for health care that won’t have ques and delays and there’s always gonna be people who object to paying extra taxes for stuff that won’t benefit them so sanders will have to overcome that. the current plan he has is aright but he will have to win over more people’s vote to make it happen
2020-02-26 07:00
#105
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Liberia weALLcheat 
engineer student btw
2020-02-26 13:08
universal healthcare works in alot of different countries example: poland
2020-02-27 19:09
#125
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United States jsxanatos 
hey finland, our country has over 350 million people. your meaningless country has 5.
2020-02-27 20:56
and ?
2020-02-27 20:56
#130
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United States jsxanatos 
so how is it comparable
2020-02-27 21:04
the wealth of the country is straight up compared to the citizens living in it. if nordic countries can provide universal healthcare to all their citizens so can usa. usa has way more tax payers than the "meaningless country" of finland. did you think 5 million people would pay for the usa healthcare ? :D nah it would the the whole nation.
2020-02-27 21:07
#142
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Brazil jacksfurions 
in brasil se have free healthcare for all, but the population dont know how to use it, so it is aways empt even if everyone thing it have to much ppl to go there
2020-02-29 19:57
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