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Pro players want SG nerfs
Other LiquidDrumAndBass 
Do you guys think they're keeping it the way it is because they were tired of the same team winning over and over and over again they wanted teams to abuse this gun and take down titans of CS and make the game less skill-based in general so that any team can win? Because we all know that the gun is not balanced at all and really unhealthy for the game in general. Thoughts?
2020-02-26 10:43
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#1
Xyp9x | 
Denmark KronemixX 
They should just set its RPM to 600 i think it would be fine then
2020-02-26 10:46
+1
2020-02-26 10:52
but i don't want a nerf i'm a noob and i can't use anything but krigh
2020-02-27 11:34
#218
NiKo | 
Finland Unb8able 
vroom vroom
2020-03-22 14:27
I agree, maybe on top of that throw an impossible to master spray pattern and set the price to 5000$ and make it available for purchase ONLY during overtime! I think this would be the best solution!
2020-02-26 10:55
#40
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Iceland Cirros_V2 
U can just delete it from the game too. It would be the same result
2020-02-26 12:38
and only on one T at a time + if CTs pick it up you cant but it anymore
2020-02-26 13:23
perfect!
2020-02-26 13:38
ikr mens, already talked to volvo, changes will hit live next week
2020-02-26 14:08
Rpm is 666. Its perfect
2020-02-26 14:12
#119
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CIS chlenixon 
i think the current rpm is fine, they just need to increase damage to awp-damage.
2020-02-26 17:36
Would just make it easier to handle.
2020-02-26 22:46
The AUG is easy to handle you dont see that being used as frequent? Higher firerate faster kills?!?!?
2020-02-27 11:16
The one with better positioning and movement wins, the miliseconds of difference is meaningless other than perfect 1vs1 aim duels where neither side have sorted for themselves any advantages.
2020-02-27 11:32
#2
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Netherlands meneertjesem 
It is
2020-02-26 10:47
Just make the AUG usable again and it's fine
2020-02-26 10:54
AUG is fine where it is. Got 21 kills ct half yesterday in 2800 elo match only playing aug.
2020-02-26 10:56
So When was the last time you saw an aug in a pro match
2020-02-26 10:58
When was the last time you saw a krieg before the price reduction? Just because it isn't used commonly in pro games doesn't mean it isn't a viable weapon
2020-02-26 11:01
What are you talking about, it's still used all the time: hltv.org/stats?startDate=2019-08-26&endD.. Whereas the aug is nonexistent now: hltv.org/stats?startDate=2019-01-01&endD..
2020-02-26 11:19
Learn to read, illiterate fuck. "before the price reduction" not after the revert.
2020-02-26 11:58
Ah, right, so you were talking about something completely irrelevant. Nice. Sg buffed - pros use it more Sg nerfed - pros still use it Aug buffed - pros use it more Aug nerfed - almost no one uses it Tldr: the aug is not viable
2020-02-26 12:08
That's obviously not how it works.
2020-02-26 13:36
So if the AUG is still good after its update, why is practically nobody using it?
2020-02-26 16:50
Same reason it wasn't used before the buff + you can practically get the krieg which has been better in all iterations whenever you kill a T.
2020-02-26 17:19
"same reason" is what? Because it was bad before the buff? I presume you don't mean that, so be specific. I'm not a mind reader. And that "you can just get better from the enemy" argument is stupid. With that logic, why would you buy an m4 if the Ts could just "practically get" the ak? Oh, that's right, because you've got to kill them first. If the AUG truly gave you an advantage over using the M4, people would be buying the AUG much more frequently, just like people buy the M4 over the FAMAS because of the advantage it provides. Fact.
2020-02-26 17:30
I'm not gonna bother with someone who doesn't understand CT economy.
2020-02-26 18:13
Here's an idea. Stop using ad hominem and trying to act like I don't know what I'm talking about to cover up for the fact that you can't prove me wrong. It is a pathetic argument technique, and I see right through it. Now please, try again.
2020-02-26 18:15
I'm not acting, it's clear throughout your comments in this thread that you factually don't understand it.
2020-02-26 18:16
I factually don't understand it? You came into this argument saying "oooh I got some kills in my faceit pug with this gun so it must be good", and you're trying to act like I don't factually understand it? You haven't actually presented a single fact to me! And I said, try again. Stop deflecting.
2020-02-26 18:18
I don't need to though. I think the aug is pretty good where it's at. A subjective meaning doesn't need any facts. You said "just like people buy the M4 over the FAMAS because of the advantage it provides" while the AWP provides more and is less seen, why is that? Uhh hurr durr maybe because it's situational and the economy?
2020-02-26 18:23
So why are you saying that I don't factually understand something when you say that this is a subjective topic? Which is obviously also bullshit btw, you're just trying to admit that you haven't got any facts to support your point and protect yourself at the same time. This is a factual topic. Guns are better than others because of stats like RPM, damage, accuracy etc, which are all measurable and quantifiable. And imagine comparing the fucking AWP, a $1650 price increase, more than all of a CTs utility combined, to a $200 price increase. There's also the fact that in a lot of situations, the AWP doesn't provide more, because as you said, it is a situational weapon. Which is why you never regularly see teams with 3 or more AWPs, even in OT. The SG and AUG are not supposed to be situational weapons. The SG is a versatile weapon and the AUG should be too. That's the fucking purpose of putting a scope on an automatic rifle. And tell me this. On full buy rounds, how often do all of the CTs have less than $200? How often do those CTs have the potential to buy an AUG, and choose not to? But "Uhh hurr durr maybe because it's situational and the economy?" Uhh hurr durr, it's just a worse fucking gun.
2020-02-26 18:39
You want stats? The aug has 20% more armor penetration, 50% less spread while scoped, less horizontal recoil. Those 3 points alone clearly makes it better at mid to long range fights.
2020-02-26 20:51
It has shit accuracy while unscoped, so if you want to be accurate, unless you're already scoped in you will always be taking a fraction of a second longer to get a kill. That difference means everything when you're going against SGs and AKs, which can both 1 tap at any range. You could literally get killed before even firing a bullet even if you react at the same time. Pros use the SG without the scope a huge amount of the time anyway, this is probably what deterred so many pros from using the AUG now. Also, the AP might be higher but it still takes 5 bullets to kill an armored opponent, so that literally doesn't even matter at all. The M4 also has higher base damage but they both still take 4 bullets to kill unarmored opponents as well. The only positive of the AP is that it can one tap at very close distances, but because of the aforementioned shit accuracy you won't be using it at that range the majority of the time anyway. The M4 also now has a higher RPM, so it can get kills even faster when stacked with the scope time. M4 also has faster movement speed and reload time. I can guarantee that you looked up m4 and aug stats, found 3 stats that look like they support you and just copied them over here without even thinking about what it means. But in reality, the AUG only edges out the M4 at long range, at medium range the m4 will win out because you can fire at least 1, maybe 2 bullets before the AUG has even scoped in, and the AP only comes into play for 1 taps at close range, where the accuracy is garbage because you're unlikely to be scoped in. All of this makes the M4 more versatile than a scoped auto rifle. I bet when you wrote "You want stats?" you though "hah, I've fuckin got him now". Spoiler alert - you haven't.
2020-02-26 21:35
You talk about the aug having shit accuracy unzoomed but it's still better than the M4 so maybe find something other to point out. Facts: M4A4 Spread standing still: 4,9 AUG(Unscoped)Spread standing still: 3.85 AUG(Scoped)Spread standing still: 2.12 Find something else to lie about.
2020-02-26 22:30
No, it isn't? The fuck you talking about? And I pointed out multiple other things, btw. So basically, you're dead wrong.
2020-02-26 22:32
Literally the only point you have is movement speed. Maybe look up the stats before talking? BTW the krieg is only slightly more accurate in both modes, 0.1 difference give or take. And the AUG has higher movement speed than the AK47
2020-02-26 22:44
#170. "Maybe look up the stats before talking?"
2020-02-26 22:52
strike-counter.com/cs-go-stats/weapons-d.. If you were using this website for your stats, which I presume because all the values you mentioned match, it's outdated. Still has 667 rpm for the AUG as well, it's actually 600 post-update. Don't accuse me of lying before you check your own sources.
2020-02-26 22:45
CBA to source it for you but blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2019/0.. everything other than unzoomed stat (yet I've never missed a tap with it so can't be worse than AK) and fire rate still stands.
2020-02-26 22:54
Oh come on, could you be any more pathetic? Check your fucking browser history and don't try and hide the fact that you got caught out by saying "ohhh im accurate with it so it must be accurate". And a basic update log with no data values doesn't mean shit. Don't a bitch and admit to your mistake.
2020-02-26 22:58
I could just take the weapon data from the gamefiles you know? And maybe if you weren't such an idiot I would.
2020-02-26 23:02
What are you talking about? You're calling me an idiot? docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11tDzUNBq.. Here's some fucking updated stats for you. From the game files. Standing inaccuracy is what you're looking for. AUG = 9.81, M4 = 5.5 You're wrong, you've lost, accept it and shut the fuck up. You're not going to recover from this, so stop trying.
2020-02-26 23:08
Im sorry man but the aug is literally dogshit rn, especially the scope spray
2020-02-26 22:06
#94
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New Zealand badwithnamesS 
no one uses the aug because money is more important on ct side. do you even play csgo or do you just whine on forums?
2020-02-26 14:36
It costs only $200 more than the m4, and practically nobody buys it. Money is obviously not the reason. What a dumb thing to say.
2020-02-26 16:49
how come so many more people buy it when they have excess money? are you the dumb?
2020-02-26 16:55
2020-02-26 17:05
i think you are the dumb... I dont wanna talk to the dumb. bye
2020-02-26 17:09
That is the comment of someone who has fucked up bad and is trying to duck out of the conversation. Educate yourself before speaking next time or you'll embarrass yourself again. Bye.
2020-02-26 17:11
leave me alone. I dont want to talk to the dumb. No point trying to talk about csgo stuff with someone who doesnt even play the game :(
2020-02-26 17:18
You said you were leaving, why are you still here? Just don't respond and I won't respond back like right now xd Also, #109 again
2020-02-26 17:19
wow you really cant take a hint huh? you are completely wrong about everything you've said, so why do I need to prove that 2+2=4 just because you say 2+2=5?
2020-02-26 17:37
The things is, you haven't proven shit. If you think you have, please just point it out to me.
2020-02-26 17:49
you never even answered if you actually play csgo, and not just whine on forums
2020-02-26 17:58
I play CSGO. I didn't realise I actually needed to state the obvious. And you still haven't answered with where you proved me wrong, instead of just making incorrect statements on the forums. Stop dodging the question.
2020-02-26 18:15
i use aug over m4 whenever i have enough money, therefor all your arguments are shit
2020-02-26 18:21
#19, link 1 Just because you use it more doesn't mean that anyone else, especially pros, do.
2020-02-26 18:40
your whole point is that aug isnt usable, yet i am able to use it to get better advantage than with m4. do I buy it every single round? no. Is the sg any different than when csgo started? also no. Yet pro scene gun usage is wildly different. Also I dont use the aug more, only when i have excess money. which i never have cause i force buy mag7 and rush a main every round
2020-02-26 18:47
Read the title of the fucking thread "pro players want sg nerfs" We are talking about pros, not your shitty little mm games or faceit pugs. I'm sure if I was playing Gold Nova MM like you probably do, I could probably kill terrorists with a P90. Doesn't mean the P90 is better than the AK. At this point you're either baiting or just genuinely stupid beyond belief.
2020-02-26 19:29
why would i reply to you with anything but bait? isnt that what you're doing also?
2020-02-26 19:51
Nope But don't worry, I know you're just stupid beyond belief anyway.
2020-02-26 20:30
for sure you have a neckbeard though. 100%
2020-02-26 21:16
Nope, sorry to disappoint you
2020-02-26 21:32
you should get one though, you'll fit right into the club
2020-02-26 22:02
I'm already in the cool kids club and they don't like neckbeards 😎😎😎
2020-02-26 22:05
the cool kids club is not made up of you and little johnny from down the road
2020-02-28 13:42
Name checks out because I don't know Johnnys
2020-02-28 17:12
n i c e o n e
2020-02-28 17:40
Thanks I guess I don't really know why you restarted this though
2020-02-28 17:44
you are the one who replied today lmao
2020-02-28 17:45
What You replied 4 hours ago After almost 2 days of silence lmao
2020-02-28 17:47
4 hours ago was a new day for me oldfag i didnt look at hltv until then anyway
2020-02-28 17:48
You still made that comment after 40 hours of silence Just stop xd
2020-02-28 17:54
lmao dude u r so mad
2020-03-07 13:59
guess whos back back again after 9 days this time
2020-03-07 15:03
lmao dude your opinion is sooooo dumb
2020-03-14 12:30
Bloody hell
2020-03-14 14:13
kek
2020-03-22 11:56
It's time to stop
2020-03-22 14:21
sg doesnt need a nerf just because you get fucked by silvers in matchmaking who us them
2020-03-28 12:29
i never said the sg needs a nerf i think you have forgotten a lot over the past few weeks
2020-03-28 19:15
#137
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United States America! 
Just Dont bother with this idiot
2020-02-26 18:24
oof doode, lucky i have free healthcare to fix that burn
2020-02-26 18:41
I shouldn't, but at the same time it satisfies my ego a little bit.
2020-02-26 18:41
shave your neckbeard and we'll have a proper convo
2020-02-26 18:48
I shaved yesterday, I gotchu bro
2020-02-26 19:29
The aug's price is still the same even before the nerf no?
2020-02-26 22:07
#108
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Belarus uberboy 
Can you get your facts right? Sg buffed - everyone started using it Sg reverted to original - everyone still using it Aug buffed - everyone started using it Aug reverted to original - everyone still using it Aug nerfed to hell - yeah it's viable only on certain spots now and only when you don't have money deficit on ct side (which is rarely an occasion)
2020-02-26 17:11
Ok What's your point The AUG is still shit, and I'm still right? Thanks, I guess.
2020-02-26 17:13
#114
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Belarus uberboy 
Point is noone actually nerfed sg like aug. You can't really compare apples to oranges like you do
2020-02-26 17:21
Of course I can. That's exactly my point. The sg only gets a cost nerf so people still use it. The aug gets "nerfed to hell" so no one uses it anymore, because it's not good enough. So it should be buffed.
2020-02-26 17:33
#121
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Belarus uberboy 
Not every gun in a game should be viable in any situation. Remember when cs was played with awp/ak/colt/deagle and that's it? I bet you don't. Aug is still used and its used waaaay more often than it was before this whole buff/nerf game volvo has played w/ it. Sg most likely going to get nerfed at some point too and we're going to get a situational alternative to ak. tl;dr aug is viable enough
2020-02-26 17:43
I didn't say every gun in the game should be viable? But is it too much to ask that a scoped weapon that costs more than the m4 should be more useful than the m4, just like how it is for Ts with the SG and AK? And is the AUG still used waaaay more? Last 6 months - hltv.org/stats?startDate=2019-08-26&endD.. 2019 - hltv.org/stats?startDate=2019-01-01&endD.. 2018 - hltv.org/stats?startDate=2018-01-01&endD.. Even if it is, does it even matter if it's only gone from being used none of the time to almost none of the time? And until the SG gets nerfed again, the CTs are still going to have no answer to the SG unless they get their own. And I obviously don't mean the AUG should be as good as the SG, but it should be better than the M4. tl;dr no
2020-02-26 18:11
#197
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Belarus uberboy 
Yeah you might be right, aug is kinda underused, maybe that nerf was a little too much. It's not going to be used on par with m4 and it shouldn't tbh btw you can see aug on that graph in 2020 if you add train map filter
2020-02-28 17:08
The problem with your facts is that Aug and Krieg never get buffed, it was always like that before aug gets nerfed, and they only reduced the kriegs price to 2750 and never buffed it
2020-02-26 22:10
#196
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Belarus uberboy 
Price reduction is the buff bruh
2020-02-28 17:03
#163
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Brazil Roufas 
There is a fundamental error in your thinking. What you might want to look at is that weapons are different for a reason, diversity, and to have that you have to have inequalities, if they were all the same there would be no reason to implement other weapons in the game. We would just have the most efficient ones and delete the rest. The fact the pros, which are like 0.001% of the cs_go players, decide to use the most efficient ever weapons, through a lot of math and min maxing decision, doesn't mean anything in the broader scale. Augs are still very viable, like every other weapon, they can and will do their job.
2020-02-26 22:20
#9
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Lithuania N0PEr 
Navi vs faze np
2020-02-26 11:05
And how many people were using it
2020-02-26 11:15
#97
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Lithuania N0PEr 
like 3 idk
2020-02-26 15:20
#10
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United States SLAM_THE_FART 
brollan bought it yesterday on mirage
2020-02-26 11:08
So 1 player bought it
2020-02-26 11:15
#23
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United States SLAM_THE_FART 
you asked and I answered :)
2020-02-26 12:12
Well yeah ik, but it's not really what I meant
2020-02-26 12:20
#11
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France FanchD 
G2 vs 100T
2020-02-26 11:09
#14
2020-02-26 11:15
#95
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France FanchD 
s1mple is using it rn
2020-02-26 14:47
Who wants to see the AUG used?I definetly dont want to see scoped rifles a lot
2020-02-26 12:48
its very fun to use imo
2020-02-26 14:26
#90
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United States Nohj 
I think magisk still uses it from time to time
2020-02-26 14:29
it obviously needs a buff. m4 is current op relative to AUG as the AUG gets almost no play
2020-02-26 12:24
they should increase its price once more. Maybe up to 3500$ or even more. I'd even consider 4000$. Thinking about its power it would still be a humane price.
2020-02-26 11:09
price is not the problem
2020-02-26 11:16
#37
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United States Ash171 
+1 espc with them fucking ruining awps
2020-02-26 12:35
fair enough, lower the fire rate then but keep the price.
2020-02-26 18:18
Just remove all weapons then expect deagle AK m4 and awp PrOs wAnTs bla bla bla
2020-02-26 11:17
SG abuser spotted
2020-02-26 12:22
SG disbalanced only when CT takes it T-side always should have weapon advantage
2020-02-26 12:27
#39
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Canada gatssbyy 
They already do with the AK
2020-02-26 12:37
Not when the CTs have SGs and can hold scoped angles with higher rate of fire and higher damage
2020-02-26 14:33
#96
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Canada gatssbyy 
Well if the SG was nerfed then that wouldn't happen
2020-02-26 15:10
which wasn't your point.
2020-02-26 15:42
#99
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Canada gatssbyy 
It was. That guy was saying they should keep the SG because Ts need more overpowered weapons so I pointed out that they already have AK and don't need another significantly stronger weapon
2020-02-26 15:47
#18
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Australia CLEGGY 
there is nothing wrong with the gun
2020-02-26 11:19
SG abuser spotted
2020-02-26 12:22
0/8
2020-02-26 12:31
#182
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Australia CLEGGY 
Trash player that blames a gun instead of his lack of skill as to why he is so bad spotted
2020-02-27 11:23
lack of skill -> resorts to abusing SG ? are you..... stupid? orrrrr.......... anyways bye! :P
2020-02-27 11:34
#192
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Australia CLEGGY 
How does using a gun = lack of skill? The gun doesnt give u fucking aimbot it requires the same skill to use as an ak There's like no difference except it has better range because of the scope There is nothing wrong with the weapon
2020-02-28 09:10
it's better than AK in any situation which means AK has no purpose in any kind of buy
2020-02-26 12:25
#181
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Australia CLEGGY 
Ok? All you're really saying is that the AK is a weaker weapon than the SG, how is that the SG's fault?
2020-02-27 11:22
it's not a matter of fault, it's just wrong
2020-02-27 11:32
#193
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Australia CLEGGY 
Why? How? No one was saying how overpowered the ak was because people thought it was better than the sg will u only be happy if the ak is the best rifle?
2020-02-28 09:11
i'm saying none of the two should be better at everything than the other making the sg better at long range and ak better at medium range should be a good compromise, or something else
2020-02-28 12:11
#207
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Australia CLEGGY 
That's literally how they already are How dumb are you mr 'Emo_roids'?
2020-02-29 05:15
#21
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Australia forsaken_exe 
$3000 isn’t enough. Maybe $3500 or $3750 would make a bigger impact. Nerf FBA and ammo.
2020-02-26 12:01
Sg is not balanced: True Sg makes the game not skill based: False Ak is much more random than Sg in terms of first bullet accuracy. So actually ak is a luck based gun while sg is a skill based gun.
2020-02-26 12:18
0/8
2020-02-26 12:23
Tell me, which part is wrong?
2020-02-26 12:24
Sg Is Not Balanced! SG IS SKILL BASED GUN! (contradicting yourself) AK IS RANDOM ! AK IS LUCK BASED GUN (what are you smoking?)
2020-02-26 12:26
While his comparison seems contrived and doesn't fit. This is rooted into anything competitive by it's nature. Randomness is antithesis to skill. Think magic the gathering versus hearthstone. One is heavily random(thus luck) based, the other is significantly less so. When luck is less of a factor, it is inherently more skill based.
2020-02-26 12:32
Yeah dude that one time I went to the casino dudeee and I freaking lost , freaking RNG doooood, freaking sucks mennnnn! it is what it is though , all this time I spent becoming a competitive roulette player went to waste!
2020-02-26 12:35
Good, I'm glad you understand
2020-02-26 12:39
Roulette is VERY SKILL based just like the SG!
2020-02-26 12:42
It is more powerful then its alternative(ak) and almost the same price. This is not balanced. There is no contradiction with it is being skill based. Next time try to use your logic instead of your emotions.
2020-02-26 12:45
Sure buddy the subject of this thread was not the price of the SG, it was the state of the weapon, next time maybe try to read the thread and use your brain to dissect every piece of information and absorb it little by little because with the limited IQ you have I don't think you could take it all at once!
2020-02-26 12:48
Lol are you kidding? this is from what you said: "less skill-based in general so that any team can win" and i dont agree with this, and this was what i shared in my comment i also agree with you its effect on game that it is op such that makes the game unbalanced/unhealthy but apperantly you were talking about the gun itself anyway this doesnt change the fact that you claimed that sg makes the game less skill based and i dont agree with this you are just mad next time try to use your brain for the actual conversation instead of insulting because you are very bad at both
2020-02-26 12:51
#53
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Europe twitchy_ 
What? Ak is not random. Krieg is not hard to master and it has the scope for long distances that needs less skill to play with. In fact when the aug appeared on the meta, the most aim skilled team (faze) was the one to fail relly hard, while other tier 2 teams appeared on the radar winning a lot of duels that they wouldn't win without scope help.
2020-02-26 12:52
Its first bullet accuracy is worse then SG's. You need to pray RNG more when you are using ak.
2020-02-26 12:54
But yeah sg has scope and scope requires less skill it is completely a different point and you are absolutely right abot it
2020-02-26 12:55
AK is VERY random compared to any other main rifle, has been for quite a while 7.01 inaccuracy -> 5% chance of missing a perfectly aimed hs from pit to a doors old video but it shows the point youtube.com/watch?v=v0rlCJ047Ds
2020-02-26 18:07
I am not smoking anything, i am %100 percent serious that ak is more random and it makes it a less skill more luck gun. Did you just realize how many times a player hits an headshot when the crosshair was not even on enemy's head or vice versa?
2020-02-26 12:48
0/8 nice try 100% smoking something
2020-02-26 12:49
Tell me how the fuck can something depends more on luck be more skill based then the other thing that depends on luck less?
2020-02-26 12:52
Not replying to this bait anymore. It's doomed! "Ak iS LuCk BaSeD" /closed
2020-02-26 12:56
Maybe stop being biased and check weapon statistics next time. Good luck on your life because you will need it (just like when you use ak). Bye!
2020-02-26 12:59
AK is VERY random compared to any other main rifle, has been for quite a while 7.01 inaccuracy -> 5% chance of missing a perfectly aimed hs from pit to a doors old video but it shows the point youtube.com/watch?v=v0rlCJ047Ds you are either A: ignorant of how the game works at the engine level B: a baiter or C: mad because you got destroyed by people abusing the krieg
2020-02-26 18:10
option D: I shoot AK like god you're krieg abusing bot /closed
2020-02-26 19:04
option B confirmed. thank you for your participation.
2020-02-26 20:38
Low IQ bot sg abuser
2020-02-26 12:53
like coldzera?
2020-02-26 12:57
Nope, he clearly says SG is a joke and should be nerfed, he uses it because of how unbalanced it is
2020-02-26 12:59
I said it is unbalanced, why are you mad then?
2020-02-26 13:00
Because you said sg is a skill based gun The SG scope lowers the game's skill ceiling, meaning players like karrigan have more chances of killing players like Niko because the game got easier overall, the same way some gold nova bots can be good players in a noob friendly game like Apex Legends that has no recoil. Even trash players become good with the SG in hands, the weapon turned this game more noob friendly and reduced the difference between good and mediocre players. The only way you support the SG is if you're one of the mediocres that is now able to ADS with the SG and get entries for the first time in your life
2020-02-26 13:04
I never use sg with scope 😎 Jokes aside, scope makes it really easier and i cant deny that. But without scope it would be more skill based then ak (actually that is what i should've said at the first place)
2020-02-26 13:10
It would be balanced without the scope. First bullet accuracy + ROF but you can't trace people for the first 7 bullets like you are able to do with the ak. The current scope + rof + accuracy + armor pen + damage combo is just DISGUSTING, VALVE IS COMPLETELY RETARDED
2020-02-26 13:14
+1
2020-02-26 13:19
#79
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Canada SparklMastr 
Lmfao, the fucking scope takes the skill level all they way down 0/8
2020-02-26 13:24
#34
Germany pmb  
sg reduced randomness by a lot, it was a great change. blablabla even my granddad played only ak blablabla
2020-02-26 12:29
Low IQ bot SG abuser
2020-02-26 12:53
#59
Germany pmb  
lmao
2020-02-26 12:56
+1 How about instead of just nerfing everything that is good we bring other weapons up? Reduce the ak's bullshit first bullet rng. Bring the a1 and awp back to where thery used to be ect.
2020-02-26 13:14
#75
Germany pmb  
yeah, the old m4a1s was a dream to play with. no idea why they fucked it like they did
2020-02-26 13:18
It was my favorite weapon in the game. They completely fucked it and then added 5 bullets like that would fix the trash that they made it into. I just don't understand why people always want to make things worse instead of making others better.
2020-02-26 13:19
A1-s is still great for a long range spray tho, but you cant hold close angle with it
2020-02-26 22:16
#80
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Canada SparklMastr 
Why don't we just fucking bring back the old R8 while we're at it? Maybe even take away the left click delay 0/8
2020-02-26 13:26
Terrible counter. Some things need nerfing. The r8 was insanely op. The tec 9 was insanely op. The a1 was not. It was in line with the meta. There was no need for a nerf. The sg is not capable of a 3 man collat. It doesn't need nerfing.
2020-02-26 13:33
#84
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Canada SparklMastr 
0/8
2020-02-26 13:38
Pathetic 0 iq retort there Canadian.
2020-02-26 22:33
#178
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Canada SparklMastr 
#84
2020-02-27 00:07
While the A1 was in use, the meta was absurdly ct sided. A1 was nerfed, I suspect, to balance the teams.
2020-02-26 22:53
Dont nerf the SG, make M4A4 more powerful (1 shot HS kill)
2020-02-26 12:46
so holding agles will be easier than it ever was, stupid idea
2020-02-26 14:00
Use a flash dum dum.
2020-02-26 16:22
you use one flash to clear every angle to get on a spot? nice man, which one is it?
2020-02-26 21:37
depends on the map
2020-02-27 08:57
#49
Finland Je5u 
SG is OP, makes playing AWP that much harder, like for Kenny
2020-02-26 12:50
#66
Germany pmb  
but awp is also op, so it kinda evens out
2020-02-26 13:01
#81
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Canada SparklMastr 
but sg is kinda $1750 cheaper so it doesn't even out
2020-02-26 13:28
SG is a fucking joke, the worst is seeing these trashcans lvl 4 SG abusers asking for it not to be nerfed XDXD fucking bots
2020-02-26 12:52
expected from Mr. Alpha_Brazilian. jokes aside, I wouldn't mind if they removed the scope from the sg as long as they keep the unscoped acc the same
2020-02-26 18:12
+800000
2020-03-29 14:32
Just remove the scope and we have a great gun.
2020-02-26 12:57
#68
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North America 007DBR9 
lower rof to 600
2020-02-26 13:03
No
2020-02-26 13:01
#67
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North America 007DBR9 
ye, less team based so now EG can be team kriEG instead
2020-02-26 13:03
I don’t
2020-02-26 13:09
#72
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
Astralis is abusing it more than anyone else lmao, device literally drops his awp for a CT Krieg
2020-02-26 13:11
#92
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Finland tiktoklover 
havent u seen Brollan play? went from tier 2 to top 20 with krieg lmao
2020-02-26 14:31
#101
tarik | 
Norway MD! 
We'll see who drops off after the nerf
2020-02-26 15:51
Have u seen 100T and EG? they're nowhere to be seen without SG lul
2020-02-26 22:13
#91
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Finland tiktoklover 
make the SG spray random everytime
2020-02-26 14:31
It already is
2020-02-26 22:14
#100
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Russia F1Z1K 
SG doesn't need nerfing, it's fine. Leave this weapon alone
2020-02-26 15:50
#116
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United States jay_320 
SG definitely needs a fire rate reduction. 667 is just too much. I don't know how you could even make an argument otherwise. I get the weapon is fun to use. I fucking love it in my MG level MM games as I can basically spray it perfectly. Which is the problem. Noob friendly spray pattern. Higher damage. Scope. If they aren't going to balance it right put it up to 3500 or something.
2020-02-26 17:33
Who doesn't want SG nerf? Oh, look at those, they exist. Wtf
2020-02-26 17:34
#184
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Australia ragearainbow 
I was sleeping - plz dont nurf
2020-02-27 11:25
#184
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Australia ragearainbow 
I was sleeping - plz dont nurf
2020-02-27 11:25
SG good gun dont nerf plebs
2020-02-26 18:20
bring back the old aug. increase sg & aug price to somewhere around 3300-3500. decrease m4 price to 2900.
2020-02-26 22:22
#166
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Russia Islademuerto 
I have a better proposal, revert all the stats of the guns to the old values, so original aug and sg, set the post buff prices but remove the crosshairs with regular inaccuracy while unscoped
2020-02-26 22:29
#183
huNter- | 
Korea Jew2K 
Maybe they should have different patch for the pro scene lol, cuz in my shitty MM games people buy it cuz they see pros use it, but they have no idea how to spray. So ez dub for me
2020-02-27 11:24
#186
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Australia ragearainbow 
Maybe for casual
2020-02-27 11:26
Spraying with the krieg is probably easier than with m4s lol
2020-02-28 17:42
#206
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Korea Jew2K 
Yeah but alot of people just drag down, which is better with the m4 spray
2020-02-28 19:32
Make it 3500 and pros will still buy it but won't abuse anymore
2020-02-27 11:27
nerf fire rate to 600
2020-03-07 15:06
not kriEG players
2020-03-07 15:07
they keep the krieg because its 2020ish
2020-03-14 14:16
#220
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South America 69monkey69 
pro players? most likely disabled awp abusers and disabled kids that cant handle sg recoil sg should remain untoutched until they nerf awp
2020-03-28 12:31
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