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messi overrated?
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Philippines ageofempiresisthebestgame 
isn't messi overrated? Sure he is the most dangerous player when on ball but he does not help his team in any way defensively. He is usually just standing in the middle and watching his team defend. He is just waiting for them to pass the ball to him. As I said he is very dangerous but is that enough to say he is the best player?
2020-02-26 15:49
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#1
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Netherlands Lurox 
no messi no party.
2020-02-26 15:50
+1 Messi is incredible, Ronaldo too. But Barcelona is kinda overrated this season, I'm really sure they won't win UCL.
2020-02-26 17:03
its so open this season, i wouldnt even have a favorite for it. I'd probably lean towards Bayern or Juve tbh but wouldnt suprise me if there was an upset (leipzig, atalanta, dortmund)
2020-02-26 17:07
It would be amazing to see Mr. Reus to finally lift the trophy.
2020-02-26 17:21
#2
woxic | 
Pakistan zaidiquad 
i stopped reading at 'he is the most dangerous player' lol, you're contradicting your own statement
2020-02-26 15:51
most dangerous with ball = best?
2020-02-26 15:57
yes?
2020-02-26 15:59
no?
2020-02-26 16:00
maybe?
2020-02-26 16:04
being the best player is a solo achievement,not whole team's.So if he is the most dangerous player with the ball,then he is the best,lol
2020-02-26 16:04
that makes no sense. What if VVD won ballon d'or which he should have won. Would he be the most dangerous player when on ball?
2020-02-26 16:06
So u just compared winning ballon d'or(which is a meaningless trophy btw) to being the most dangerous player when on ball?
2020-02-26 16:09
I just compared winning the best footballer award to being the most dangerous when on ball :)
2020-02-26 16:14
when voting for "the best footballer" someone votes for alexander arnold,i can't take it seriously
2020-02-26 16:23
ok but that does not make your statement valid. Being the most dangerous on ball simply does not mean being the best. Football is not only about attacking.
2020-02-26 16:26
I mean,ofc it isn't,but c'mon,he just won't become a freaking hulk in defense with his size tbh,haha
2020-02-26 16:27
thank you for clarifying that you were wrong, not many people can do that. yes, he wont become hulk because he is not the best for me :D he is just not allrounded
2020-02-26 16:29
Well let's agree that he is goat if it only comes down on the attack,right?
2020-02-26 16:32
yes, I said he is the most dangerous and best when it comes tu purely attacking.
2020-02-26 16:33
#97
xeta | 
Korea minixeta 
How could van dijk be the best player if he only helps his team to defend, and when attacking he just stands there waiting for his teammate do all the work? Oh wait, almost forgot football has roles!
2020-02-26 16:54
#100
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United Kingdom fal36 
+1
2020-02-26 17:00
exactly, there are roles. So being the best offensively does not need to mean you are the best player overall. You just answered yourself
2020-02-26 17:04
#107
xeta | 
Korea minixeta 
But it also doesnt mean youre not the best.
2020-02-26 18:45
it means you are not the best player (overall)
2020-02-26 19:05
#109
xeta | 
Korea minixeta 
How does it?
2020-02-26 21:19
thats literally what most dangerous means?
2020-02-26 16:26
what?
2020-02-26 16:29
#3
kebab | 
Kazakhstan trickzce 
he is goat. /closed
2020-02-26 15:51
#4
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands stevelul 
he doesn't need to defend, hes fucking 32. You want him to run around the entire field and destroy his legs so he can retire in less than a year?
2020-02-26 15:51
+1 barca can afford world class defenders so Messi doesn't have to waste his body doing something that might take out half of the time he has for the rest of his career. Anyone would prefer Messi for like 4/5 years more rather than just like 2 years of him ultra maxing out probably getting injured aswell
2020-02-26 15:53
#38
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Mexico MEXlCO 
+1
2020-02-26 16:13
I am not saying he has to tackle everyone but it would be nice if he at least, you know, run without the ball
2020-02-26 15:57
#19
Xyp9x | 
Netherlands stevelul 
you think he can last 90 minutes if he runs when hes not near the ball? You think he still has the energy to pull some magical run or goal/assist in the 87th minute if he constantly runs the entire game? By playing the way he does, he can play for another 3/4 years at the highest level. If he changes it, it could be over in less than a year.
2020-02-26 16:05
no he 100% cant last 90 minutes, that is my point. I just don't like lazy players that is why I have a problem calling him the best
2020-02-26 16:08
what you mean he is lazy?? I bet all the coaches and trainers tell him to do that. he is doing what is right to keep his career going and be the best for the team the whole game rather than very good first 45mins and the other half a liability because he gets sloppy
2020-02-26 16:22
yeah he needs to be lazy because he would not be able to play the whole match.
2020-02-26 16:30
#90
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France osty17 
how are you falling for this
2020-02-26 16:46
#5
BnTeT | 
Indonesia kitsugi 
no
2020-02-26 15:51
no
2020-02-26 15:51
#7
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Spain kE01 
When he was younger he always defended with team but now that he's close to 30 he's not as efficient as he was before.
2020-02-26 15:52
Yes
2020-02-26 15:57
kid spotted
2020-02-26 15:58
why?
2020-02-26 16:01
are u serious ? he is just waiting for his team to pass him the ball? have u even watched his skills/stats? he is doing unbelievable stuff for more than 10years now- just think about it
2020-02-26 16:03
are you trying to deny that he is lazy in defense with his stats and dribbling skills? :D
2020-02-26 16:05
he is/was playing always in the offensive positions. its a tactical decision that a player just should stay in a certain area for 1) u can get the ball in a more forward position 2) u have more condition for rest of the match if u look his strengh are sertenly not in the defense because of his physicals but u can also see that he is pressuring the player with the ball in his area. sometimes he is also far back to coordinate the game from there
2020-02-26 16:10
thank you for providing solid and relevant arguments other than just calling me dumb like many others here.
2020-02-26 16:12
that's sad but expected from this community
2020-02-26 16:21
#20
shroud | 
Morocco KH4L1D 
just watch ronaldo carry juventus today
2020-02-26 16:05
#24
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Germany Neckarstadion 
On one hand you are right, on the other you could argue that he would not be able to play with the same intensitiy in offence for 90 minutes if he had to track back too often, especially now that he is 32
2020-02-26 16:09
yeah he won't because his stamina is bad, that is my point, he has to be lazy in defense in order to be dangerous in offense as he is. That is my problem, I dont like lazy players so I have problems calling him the best or even goat
2020-02-26 16:10
#53
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Germany Neckarstadion 
Who is, in your opinion, the goat?
2020-02-26 16:22
I don't know. It is very hard to tell. The best purely in offense is probably messi, but the most all rounded player I would say was Gullit.
2020-02-26 16:23
#59
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Germany Neckarstadion 
Definitely one of the most complete players ever
2020-02-26 16:25
Lol you are dumb Messi is the best player in football history and i'm not even his fan nor fan of Barcelona
2020-02-26 16:10
flawless argumentation
2020-02-26 16:10
#31
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Sweden flippig 
+1
2020-02-26 16:11
#29
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Sweden flippig 
He is the GOAT he just can't dribble past the entire team anymore like he used too
2020-02-26 16:10
#32
f0rest | 
Russia goodjob 
Messi became first player ever to have 1000 goals+assists.. but sure he's overrated
2020-02-26 16:11
overrated does not mean bad
2020-02-26 16:12
#49
f0rest | 
Russia goodjob 
he's not even overrated, he's properly rated at times even underrated.. because people always say he's playing bad when he just doesn't play as good as he usually does.. people take Messi for granted
2020-02-26 16:19
? Pele had over 1k goals
2020-02-26 16:14
Pepi Bican even more
2020-02-26 16:15
#46
f0rest | 
Russia goodjob 
no he didnt.. he had around 760 official goals
2020-02-26 16:17
they still counted in the unofficial matches,so did guiness records as he holds it for 1281 career goals along with 100+ assists
2020-02-26 16:21
also afaik,messi has 696 goals + 289 assists,and if i'm good at maths,that's not 1000
2020-02-26 16:24
#78
f0rest | 
Russia goodjob 
696 goals and 306 assists
2020-02-26 16:37
#85
f0rest | 
Russia goodjob 
i rather believe actual stats websides than this
2020-02-26 16:43
and where are the actual stats?
2020-02-26 16:44
627 goals for FCB 256 assists for FCB 70 goals for Argentina 45 assists for Argentina 697 goals overall 301 assists overall based on wikipedia,so that's not 1000 anyway
2020-02-26 16:46
Why would you want to waste Messi's energy on tracking back?
2020-02-26 16:12
I would like him to have energy to run the whole match. Then I would say he is trully the best of all time. But he is lazy and that is my problem
2020-02-26 16:13
#69
REAL | 
Spain deBurrows 
Messi is not the best athlete, that's what you try to say. He is still by far the best football player. He has learnt over the years what's best for him and for the team. If that means he has to just walk for 80 minutes and still win the game with a couple of sprints, so be it. He is still the player with more influence on the game without having to chase the ball or defend.
2020-02-26 16:31
You are right but.. would messi be the best if he isnt in the best team? #50
2020-02-26 16:34
#79
REAL | 
Spain deBurrows 
nobody knows. But playing in a different way would have shortened his professional career, most likely.
2020-02-26 16:38
A lot of top attackers are not helping with Def and if they do they are most of the time higher than Messi so they can run Longer without being exhausted
2020-02-26 16:12
griezmann does help back a lot. Not saying he is better than messi though
2020-02-26 16:16
is this topic for real...? lmao. yea all 10 players, the hell 11 bcs "i dont like lazy goalkeepers" should run towards the ball whole 90 minut:DDD srsly this topic probably gave me cancer
2020-02-26 16:14
if he is not playing for one of the best team he would need to defend. The fact that he is in Barcelona where the team is build around him which makes him comfortable cannot be overseen when talking about the best player
2020-02-26 16:21
and why do you think that the team is build around him? because he is lazy ass and he would suck otherwise? dude... the team is build around him because he is the best player and he was carrying team for YEARS. how on earth can you call 32 years old player lazy because he doesnt run whole 90 minuts? especially attacker? he has good team with good defenders and there is literally no reason at all to exhauste him bcs of defense. there is something what we call "strategy"
2020-02-26 16:25
if he was able to run he would run. The fact that his stamina is not good is a problem for me to call him the best
2020-02-26 16:27
BECAUSE HE IS 32 YEARS OLD. are you braindead or something? holy mother of god this is my last post. dont even bother with reply. i wont read another your nonsense anyway. bye
2020-02-26 16:28
you are acting like there arent players that are 32 with great stamina
2020-02-26 16:31
#42
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Israel OKOptimistic 
Boomer midget should retire can't keep up with the younger generation Alfonso Davies better
2020-02-26 16:14
#44
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Liberia weALLcheat 
You either baiting badly or have 0 idea about football
2020-02-26 16:15
provide some arguments please other than insulting me
2020-02-26 16:17
#82
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Liberia weALLcheat 
I haven't insulted you.
2020-02-26 16:41
telling me that I have 0 idea about football is an insult for me
2020-02-26 16:41
#84
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Liberia weALLcheat 
Well you should check what insult means
2020-02-26 16:42
I take it as an act of disrespect from you towards me
2020-02-26 16:44
#91
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Liberia weALLcheat 
It is not. You post proves one of my points. That you might know about football and bait or you dont understand that sport, which is totally ok. 0 disrespect
2020-02-26 16:47
this would be true if you were right but you are not right. I am neither baiting nor have 0 idea about football. we could discuss the topic with arguments if you provide any.
2020-02-26 16:49
#92
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Liberia weALLcheat 
Forwards are the players on a football (soccer) team who play nearest to the opposing team's goal, and are therefore most responsible for scoring goals. Their advanced position and limited defensive responsibilities mean forwards normally score more goals on behalf of their team than other players. Modern team formations generally include one to three forwards; for example, the common 4–2–3–1 formation includes one forward.[1] Unconventional formations may include more than three forwards, or none
2020-02-26 16:48
in modern football you very often see that every player is attacking and every player is defending. The times where forwards were the ones who were attacking and defenders would stay back are long gone. Perfect example of that are modern fullbacks. For example Robertson and TAA, they are always forward. Messi can get away with doing nothing when his team is not in possesion of the ball because his team is arguably the best in the world and it is build around him. Try to imagine Messi in and ok team. Do you think he would get away with that? Do you think he would still be the best without his perfect teammates? I have a feeling that he would still be very good offensively and would be able to pickup many points but his team would really lack the defensive presence when facing any other world class team.
2020-02-26 16:55
no. he is god and better than cr penaldo /close
2020-02-26 16:17
#57
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Romania Iosif 
Bruh, he is getting old now, can't run from defense to offense like he used to do.
2020-02-26 16:24
#71
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Poland subconsious 
Messi doesnt have to proove anything anymore. Watch him play 2008-2012, u can see the goat prime Messi. Basicly unstoppable.
2020-02-26 16:32
Do you know who the strikers are? Barca has 4 defenders 3 midfielders and Vidal with Griezmann who are defending lol
2020-02-26 16:33
#50
2020-02-26 16:35
#77
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Europe FoolishExpert 
Well hes 32 and saving stamina is key for him in the game and he does press and defend at times even deep
2020-02-26 16:37
I have seen him play 2 times irl and numerous times in TV and he was always just standing on the half. I just hate that :D
2020-02-26 16:41
ofc
2020-02-26 16:45
#94
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Brazil fuNNa 
messi not overrated he's trash
2020-02-26 16:49
you really used defense as an argument..
2020-02-26 16:51
is it me or is messi a bit of a boring player like u see it at the end of the season "oh wow messi has 32 goals" but u can never remember them. can u remember a single messi goal ? but try ronaldo...u can see the flick i remember a ronaldo flick.
2020-02-26 16:56
sure he is not the best player CR7 GOAT
2020-02-26 17:00
2020-02-26 17:10
I thought Messi will rape then yesterday but lost my money... hopefully cr7 will do it better today if not I’m broke :D Anyways they r both great and as a football fan u shouldn’t discuss who is better u should be thankful to see them both playing and enjoy it
2020-02-26 17:11
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