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AWP nerf [discussion]
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Russia Mister_HLTV 
I think that AWP must be nerfed in terms of price basically it`s not about MM/Faceit matches more like about pro scene. Hard to counter agressive AWP play especially when these players are Zywoo, S1mple etc. I think if price would be around 5750-6000$ can nerf it. Then this playstyle be more risky for team economy.
2020-02-28 18:09
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maybe buy grenades?
2020-02-28 18:10
and actually use them
2020-02-28 18:10
As i said it`s not about MM/Faceit matches, it`s about pro scene. Players like Zywoo easily counter grenades.
2020-02-28 18:11
oh yes, zywoo has anti-flash
2020-02-28 18:12
oh yes, zywoo can turn away from flashbang
2020-02-28 18:12
oh yes, zywoo only player who can turn away from flashbangs
2020-02-28 18:13
He is most skilled player with AWP + play aggressive. For example device plays more passive. That`s why i pick him.
2020-02-28 18:15
nt 0iq, awpers with less vision than riflers can turn away but rifles cannot, gg ur brain
2020-02-28 18:16
"awpers with less vision than riflers can turn away but rifles cannot, gg ur brain" your point is "aWp wOrSe wEaPoN tO tUrN aWaY fRoM fLaShbAnG tHeN iT`s nOt iMbAlAnCed" Keep writing sarcasm replies, the only thing that you can.
2020-02-28 18:20
ignore him he is a noob awper he cant rifle, so he is happy that there is a gun that requires 0 crosshairplacement or aim
2020-02-28 20:04
India csgo_veteran 
Relevant flair
2020-02-29 03:51
ok noob awper
2020-02-29 11:53
oh yes, the best AWPer and player in the world is good at his role fucking idiot
2020-02-28 18:42
best AWPer and the best player in the world is kennyS
2020-02-29 05:58
Europe twitchy_ 
We're on 2020.
2020-02-29 13:53
ok FaZe
2020-02-29 15:47
I've got some bad news for you
2020-02-29 15:01
Ok signed up 2019
2020-02-29 15:47
ok signed up 2017
2020-02-29 15:58
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
ever heard about popflashes?
2020-02-28 19:02
rewatch any match and talk again. always this same shit argument. flashes can be dodged by a 90 degree turn, awps regularly destroy whole well planned rounds without much effort.
2020-02-28 18:55
why dont teams play 5 awps if its so op LUL?
2020-02-28 19:01
costly + cant retake
2020-02-28 19:06
so it isnt op?
2020-02-28 20:03
United Kingdom shmilx 
why would you need to retake if you have 2 of these unbelieveably op guns on the site
2020-02-28 22:13
We don't see teams picking up more than 2 AWPs even when they have max money. There's a reason why.
2020-02-29 05:59
if you have 2 awps on site you can only kill 2 people inbetween delays. If 5 people rush you you may kill 2 people but get traded since you can't shoot + if they are really close it's not as good. Therefor you need atleast 1 guy with a rifle on each site. It's still op and a change should be made
2020-02-29 15:28
United Kingdom shmilx 
so a gun where you get traded because you're unable to shoot, and requires a rifle on the site with you, and isn't good close up, and can't multifrag a rush is op? I think you should rethink how it's OP. It's an expensive weapon with niche use for picks at the start of a round or for retards that walk into a site one-by-one with nobody to trade. The only nerf that wouldn't care about is a change in the magazine size, but even then something should be compensated. The AWP is fine how it is, if anything the most recent 'bugfix' was unnecessary. People using the excuse that the best player in the world has been an AWPer 2 times in a row now, never cried when it was a rifler 5 times in a row. Teams don't use more than 2 AWPs GENERALLY (D2 mid doors last round but even then they pick up an AK after they spam, or HAVU) because it isn't the best weapon in the game in the vast majority of situations. It's a niche weapon that's very good at it's niche, and somewhat worse at everything else, like it should be. EDIT: The SG is overpowered, it's the best weapon in almost every situation. The deagle is retarded, it should have way better 1st shot accuracy, but shouldn't be able to 2 shot armoured opponents at any range, it shouldn't be used as a pocket shotgun that can also be used at mid range.
2020-02-29 18:36
they do, rewatch HAVU vs Syman last match on mirage
2020-02-29 12:16
Because you are barely ever in a situation when you can buy 5 awps + armor + utillity. You can do it only if you are destroying your opponent and we have seen rounds with 5 awps from time to time and it almost always works.
2020-02-29 12:31
most of the time they buy it on last round when they have money, they surely have oppurtunities throughout the game but its not worth it, awps isnt op, if it was op as somebody said then teams would bring out 3awp setups often af or on T side they dont even pickup awp and rather play 5 rifles
2020-02-29 13:36
It both is and isn't. If you have max 2 on CT side than it can be a pain to deal with as T but any more than that and it becomes a hindrance cuz the ak's will just run you over after 1 kill. So basically 1 awp site and 1/2 m4's=OP if T's can't deal with it. But 2/3 awps on site=won't work unless the T's just run out no flash no smoke.
2020-02-29 14:48
they just nerfed it and you want even more nerf? fk off
2020-02-28 18:15
Croatia Aleksibest 
2020-02-28 18:34
Reply needs to have actual content
2020-02-29 12:17
Argentina beenji 
nope discussion closed
2020-02-28 18:17
Australia forsaken_exe 
Krieg balances the AWP enough.
2020-02-28 18:18
Sweden sesar 
2020-02-28 18:22
reduce the magazine size from 10 to 5, then missing shots might actually mean something and it can prevent awpers from spamming walls, smokes 24/7. Reducing it forces awpers to reload which is long and a nerf in itself.
2020-02-28 18:19
"reduce the magazine size from 10 to 5" good idea
2020-02-28 18:25
India vik1ng_w0w 
+1 Actually a very good nerf that doesn't really damage awpers. Reminds me of using the L96 in Battlefield
2020-02-28 18:42
+1 thats what i always said
2020-02-28 18:50
Romania sambusuuuu 
what do u think about having less magazines? Maybe make it have 2 or 3 magazines (10/15 bullets) so u need to value ur shots even more? Or is it an overkill nerf?
2020-02-28 19:08
yeah that was my original point about reducing rounds in the magazine so you have to value ur shots. There is more room for error for awpers. I think in theory I'd like to have the 5 bullets so if you landed all ur shots u still have the capability and chance to actually get an ace and so on, it also forces an already existing nerf that was inactive before which was the long reload
2020-02-28 20:04
United States _icedtea 
i came to this thread expecting retards but this is actually a good idea
2020-02-29 03:55
nerf jiggle peeking then, it looks silly and is op
2020-02-29 04:07
2020-02-29 11:56
really good idea, i like it alot
2020-02-29 13:48
Brazil xaxexixoxu 
nice nerf and at the same time makes skill ceiling higher.
2020-02-29 15:50
Poland Qzn25107 
2020-02-29 22:59
Brazil z1d72 
yes and make scar/sssg(w/e name is) $16000 also pls nerf some nerfed weapon (awp) instead of the real OP gun SG
2020-02-28 18:20
Stupid argument. How many S1mples and Zywoos exist on the pro scene?
2020-02-28 18:21
as long as I remember s1mple since 2014.
2020-02-28 18:23
XDDDDD #20 btw
2020-02-28 18:59
You are retard. There are multiple times when I just push like retard close quarters with PePega-Bizon which costs 1400$ and I kill 2 awpers because I push fast with some retarded smoke and flashes. They lose 2 awps which is worth 4750$x2(because we get 2 kills of that) and that was supreme ranks, many times. You want the game to be just riffles? Go F yoself aight m8?
2020-02-28 18:26
You are retard, learn to read.
2020-02-28 18:27
You are retard, you want to punish people who are good with a weapon.
2020-02-28 18:30
You are retard, go bring old revolver. So many players were good with this.
2020-02-28 18:33
No you! WTF IS THAT ARGUMENT EVEN? There are like 2 godlike awpers and you want to nerf. GO KYS.
2020-02-28 18:37
Your first reply literally starts with "You are retard" lmao. I picked Zywoo and S1mple as most famous aggressive play players. But i guess you even don't care about 3 awpers in top 5 2019.
2020-02-28 18:40
Ukrainian noob I bet you are MGE at best. Muted/Reported. PENOPT CYKA.
2020-02-28 18:42
expected from you
2020-02-28 18:43
PLZ NO NERF S1mple already crying.
2020-02-28 19:03
India csgo_veteran 
He needs awp nerfs so that exciting awp players like simple zywoo jw are phased out and passive morons like device can have a chance. Lmao the whole thread is just based on that. Better go watch a fishing competition.
2020-02-29 03:54
+1 When they nerfed awp the first time I was devastated, loved to DM on cs_workout, but they turned it into shit. If anything they should bring back the old one which was exciting to play and watch.
2020-02-29 12:08
And there were 15 riflers in the whole top 20 lmao Plus Zywoo and s1mple are still very good with rifles too
2020-02-28 18:49
"The first ones I remembered" Doesn't change the fact. "Plus Zywoo and s1mple are still very good with rifles too" Would has lower rating with AWP.
2020-02-28 18:50
What are you talking about for the first one And teams literally build their entire setups around AWPers, of course their stats are higher
2020-02-28 18:55
"And teams literally build their entire setups around AWPers, of course their stats are higher" Does it means that awp isn't disbalance weapon? Because if they will do the same with rifles rating would still lower than.
2020-02-28 18:57
2020-02-28 19:41
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
simple rifle for half of 2019 m8
2020-02-28 19:05
That's the point LUL, so many were good with the r8, and only few are good with playing aggressive with the awp
2020-02-28 18:43
Look how many players get boosted when they started to play with AWP.
2020-02-28 18:45
How many?
2020-02-28 18:45
Woxic, Fallen, Cerq, Device, Jame, S1mple, Kennys, Zywoo (he would has bit lower rating without AWP). The first ones I remembered.
2020-02-28 18:49
give ropz, kngv, brehze, magisk, qikert, electronic, hunter and rpk a krieg and they top frag over these guys, and also it's a cheaper option
2020-02-28 18:56
I dont give a fuck about krieg here, read thread title.
2020-02-28 18:58
No point in nerfing awp for few players, if it can be countered by a Krieg by many players
2020-02-29 03:45
Bosnia and Herzegovina mirzach0W 
I think it's fair to nerf awp in terms of tagging people, i think wallbang shots and leg shots are dealing too much damage. That should be reduced to about 40-50 dmg (hs wallbang kill through wood, 80dmg tag through metal). But holding angles and one shot kills, you can't nerf that.
2020-02-28 18:36
+1 best nerf aswell as americano said 10 bullets down to 5 bullets
2020-02-28 19:25
Bosnia and Herzegovina mirzach0W 
Wasn't thinking about that, but actually good change to reduce magazine from 10 to 5.
2020-02-28 19:26
this sounds good but they have to nerf jiggle peeking since this is op and looks silly
2020-02-29 04:11
are you being serious here? $5.5k for the awp? Then they will need 7.5k to get an awp full buy? and then you need to have a total of 15k on two players to pull out double awp? How are the CT suppose to defend 5 krieg with 5 M4, you might need to go for three save rounds to pull out the first awp, if you make one mistake on the first awp round, it will be 0-7, 0-8 round until you pull the awp out. what are you talking about lol
2020-02-28 18:36
The only way to counter krieg is AWP? Okay. But i would change M4 too, it should one shot as AUG in close positions.
2020-02-28 18:42
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
thank God you aren't a csgo Dev... first time I'm glad for csgo Devs... coming from an awper who switched to rifles, try awping and how EASY it is, if you are good enough, and use pop flashes you can neutralize most awpers, even zywoos and s1mples... only way to avoid that is playing off angles with awp, which is risky as it is, and if your teammates are even half decent, you will get traded since off angles dont provide that much chances for trading. face the facts and stop making posts every time you get rekt by awpers, and if you still cant face the facts, just use it and see for yourself
2020-02-28 19:12
thank God you aren't a csgo Dev... The fact that pros can`t turn away from flash interesting.
2020-02-28 19:13
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
pop but guess you're too blind to read that
2020-02-28 23:12
actual content
2020-02-29 12:23
kennyS | 
India Ryuota 
i know mens))
2020-02-29 13:46
Europe JackNicholson 
Just remove that noskill weapon from the game entirely.
2020-02-28 18:41
2020-02-28 18:41
This is the dumbest shit, you're probably one of those people who think it's never your fault that you died, always that "the gun is OP" or "What an idiot who pushed a smoke/peeked there/then". Git gud
2020-02-28 18:45
Read the fucking thread again, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR 5 LVL FACEIT AWP PLAY.
2020-02-28 18:45
It makes no sense, no matter the level of play. s1mple and zywoo are two players of a whole load of AWPers. Even if everyone was on their level, it wouldn't make any sense, it would totally fuck up the economy balance.
2020-02-28 18:52
I didn't say that this the only possible fix, i write "[discussion]" people can write their ideas.
2020-02-28 18:54
United States fart_lmao 
the scene is fine, stop complaining.
2020-02-28 18:47
Europe JuliusCaesar 
I stopped reading at "Hard to counter agressive AWP". U must be playing CS for 2 years max. Kid, learn the game before You post something as stupid as this. I bet ur steam account is as new as ur hltv account. Have fun in gold nova and learn the game.
2020-02-28 18:48
2020-02-28 18:52
Other khorkalba 
1. Bring back CS 1.6 wallbangs so it's not so easy for AWPers to repeek from behind cover after missing a shot. 2. Apply a statistical handicap to the AWP on HLTV. AWPers are using the most powerful (and easy) weapon in the game, so it's ridiculous to treat 30 kills with the AWP as equal to 30 kills with a rifle. The way things are going, the all-time top 5 players in CS:GO will all be AWPers by the time the game ends. Personally, I still think even with these changes the weapon is noob trash and has no place in a competitive FPS, but this is a compromise. The AWP needs to exist in order for casual gamers to enjoy CS.
2020-02-28 18:50
without the awp dignitas would be a dead team LMFAO f0rest carrying 4 bots instead of 3
2020-02-29 04:19
2020-02-29 12:45
Its a fact that bringing in paper walls from CS1.6 is a completely retarded idea Just think about it if u plant the bomb in B site on D2 and u actually cant go back inside the tunns or go out the door coz u dont have any info on the players waiting for exits....the only logical option is to hide back at car but if u keep paper walls and since no one is coming out of the site when the bomb is about to explode do u srsly think anyone will make out alive as the person inside the UT will destroy them right thru the goddamn solid wall
2020-02-29 12:45
Other khorkalba 
So your concern with 1.6 walls is that the hardest bombsite to retake in the entire game will become a little easier to retake, or at the very least CTs will have more chances to get exit frags... ? But I bet you're okay with the CTs losing most of their health in the first 10 seconds of the round before they even reach the B bombsite because of that stupid AWP door wallbang.
2020-02-29 19:28
u do realise that even before retaking there is a thing called taking a site if retaking becomes better so does taking it first any damn person would come over and spam car every single round and the rounds where u actually get kills means its over for the CT side As for the mid cross every single team uses a smoke to cross and thats the basic utility on CT side so most of the awpers dont even spam mid doors anymore coz they realise the risk of another awper peeking above or beneath the smoke
2020-02-29 22:56
Estonia Sn4pzhat 
but should they Nerf it for all community from where there will be upcoming zywoos and s1mple, imo it will ruin the game and lot of people will leave.
2020-02-28 18:51
2020-02-28 18:53
Estonia Sn4pzhat 
2020-02-28 18:54
add a shot delay like revolver
2020-02-28 18:51
lmao 5/8
2020-02-29 12:25
Reduce clip to 5 bullets thats all...
2020-02-28 18:52
This is the most plausible nerf, yet i'm still against it. The game isn't unbalanced atm. There has awlays been a problem in the scene where shit is "op", the ump, the aug, the sg, jumpscouting pre-nerf. People didn't realise the potential in most of these guns before they were forced on you by valve. People only started complaining about the UMP when people realised how good it was, even though it had been the same throughout the whole game, same with sg. Aug and ump got an unfair nerf, putting the price back to normal and just leaving the ump be would have been way better than making the AUG and UMP trash. That shouldn't happen to the AWP considering how big of a presence and it's important role in the game.
2020-02-28 18:59
I mostly agree with you about the UMP and Sg but you cant deny the fact that the awp is kinda OP in the current meta, i believe the 5 clip mag would be the best option, dont touch anything else.
2020-02-28 19:46
2020-02-28 22:10
That is some kind of nerf if you want it , but it does not matters a lot tbh
2020-02-28 19:04
Are you an AWPer yourself?
2020-02-28 22:10
5 bullet clip wont really hurt awpers that much, 5 is still enough to shoot at everyone you have to, it'd only stop meaningless wall banging mid-fight. I think 3 bullet clip would be actually felt by AWPers in fights, 5 not so much.
2020-02-29 12:21
+1 yup
2020-02-29 12:19
I think it's the rifles that are underpowered rather than the AWP being OP if that makes sense. In general I'd like to make many adjustments to the game. I've always had an issue with the idea of inaccuracy on any given weapon. Make all weapons 100% accurate to their spray pattern with damage drop off to balance the weapons that aren't supposed to be used at long range, increase the tapping speed of rifles, increase tagging so that AWPers can't escape that easily but get rid of the shitty blur on the scope of snipers, it doesn't add skill but rather presents a nuisance. Make flashbangs more effective and smokes less so. Increase wallbanging a bit so that super tight angles aren't unpunishable (not too much though), etc. I also don't mind the idea of having 5 bullets rather than 10 per magazine (the total ammo count should remain the same though), but maybe that's not needed if we buff other weapons so that they aren't at a major disadvantage in long range situations.
2020-02-28 19:06
The point of an awp is to anchor so ofc it's good in locking down areas, its dogshit in retakes + there's a reason teams only play 2 awps max (unless they are havu ofc)
2020-02-28 19:06
U forgot Kenny ez
2020-02-28 19:27
we have already talked about this, valve needs to remove the damn scope
2020-02-29 04:16
jks | 
Vietnam P3peHands 
Pretty sure that'd be too big of a nerf. It already costs $4750, which is a full buy on t and close to one on ct, just for a weapon. Pushing it even higher would make it never economically viable, where you could instead buy 2 rifles for your team, which really doesnt hurt players like s1mple, zywoo and niko who can rifle just as well but rather pure awpers like fallen.
2020-02-29 05:34
Coronaz | 
China imd0g 
disable hacks from lan only fix for awp
2020-02-29 11:57
Nepal baral25 
Stop dry peeking AWPers bro
2020-02-29 12:11
$5000 price and 3 bullets in magazine and then wait and see how things are, if it'll still be OP then nerf it further.
2020-02-29 12:21
If it will be dogshit at best then....even a cz with random pattern would be much viable than using an AWP with 3 bullet magazines
2020-02-29 12:50
awp is fine, players like s1mple and zywoo are better than everyone else, thats why they have huge impact, its not the gun you don't see any pros complaining about it
2020-02-29 12:21
When pros complain about the awp, they say its underpowed
2020-02-29 12:49
yeah, its kinda easy to deal with awps its not easy to deal with s1mple or zywoo
2020-02-29 14:05
2020-03-01 13:17
The nerf is called utility or call of duty
2020-02-29 12:48
Just nerf noscope
2020-02-29 14:08
Gonna cry ?
2020-02-29 14:09
Only noobs think that the awp needs a nerf.
2020-02-29 14:20
so there'll be 5 kriegs for t destroying ct's economy every possible round
2020-02-29 14:43
Latvia tibr0 
mby no
2020-02-29 15:47
Doesnt need a nerf Price = $5000 But now can kill with leg shots Edit : imo this is the change needed
2020-02-29 15:49
Lithuania LTComedy 
6k, you fucking dumb or what? Probably you just got rekt by a good player with the AWP and you just came to cry in hltv.
2020-02-29 15:50
i think it is 2014 that awp scoped makes slow movement.
2020-02-29 15:59
ZywOo | 
United States 7RU7H 
2020-02-29 22:59
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