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most overrated igl
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Brazil eumesmo 
karrigan or aleksib?
2020-03-01 01:20
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#1
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Russia NikSmoK
Fallen
2020-03-01 01:20
C
2020-03-01 05:18
xantares
2020-03-01 13:11
#129
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Poland Topc1a
-1 xantares best
2020-03-01 13:51
MİCHU İS BEST
2020-03-01 14:00
#3
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Finland HavuEra2020
Fallen
2020-03-01 01:21
K
2020-03-01 05:19
#4
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Bulgaria GodHeaven
Fallen
2020-03-01 01:21
A
2020-03-01 05:19
karrigan without a doubt
2020-03-01 01:21
B
2020-03-01 12:19
Karrigan
2020-03-01 01:21
L
2020-03-01 12:19
#157
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United Kingdom willtr
-1 look #131
2020-03-01 14:25
fallen
2020-03-01 01:22
Y
2020-03-01 12:19
b1t
2020-03-01 01:22
+1
2020-03-01 01:35
A
2020-03-01 12:19
#9
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Netherlands poeya
stanislaw
2020-03-01 01:22
+1
2020-03-01 01:37
Won with two different lineups. Very few igls have done it.
2020-03-01 05:19
karrigan?
2020-03-01 12:57
Yeah literally the second best igl in CS probably.
2020-03-01 18:36
T
2020-03-01 12:19
NiKo
2020-03-01 01:23
No
2020-03-01 01:27
Baited. NiKo Is The GOAT
2020-03-01 01:43
#38
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Poland Zgrzyt
Not overrated. Everybody knows that he is mediocre igl with huge fragging potential. For me Fallen, they keep switching men, looks like Fallen have no idea how to put newcomers to the team. Lately glaive. Yeah glaive, he is mastermind, with fragging potential, but in Katowice and in Blast his calls are sometimes terrible.
2020-03-01 01:44
2020-03-01 01:44
#40
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Poland Zgrzyt
not in igling
2020-03-01 01:45
Bro, I know, It was only a bait. He’s not a IGL, he’s a fragger, and I think everybody knows that.
2020-03-01 01:46
#51
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Japan sinnert
whats funny of this baiting though
2020-03-01 05:02
Who is laughing?
2020-03-01 05:04
#54
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Japan sinnert
muslims from your country?
2020-03-01 05:04
Maybe, coronavirus Edit: No, I’m not Muslim
2020-03-01 05:09
#57
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Japan sinnert
how'd i get corona virus when i don't eat dogs unlike chinese
2020-03-01 05:08
Idk man, you tell me
2020-03-01 05:09
#11
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Qatar zablitz
Fallen
2020-03-01 01:23
#12
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Finland Vuldu
fallen
2020-03-01 01:24
Currently - Fallen
2020-03-01 01:24
#15
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Brazil eumesmo
but no one says he's good anymore.
2020-03-01 01:27
I don't think Fallen is bad.. It feels like, he's lost like VP - living back in times where he was shining. We're living in 2020 and this guy tries to play like it was in 2016-2017..
2020-03-01 01:29
I disagree. Everybody said this just for hate, etc. He try play like others team, do random stuff on t side, not like in 16-17 and he stopped doing what made him the best in the world. I mean, he lost his style, heavy default style, starting do random executes and stuff like this and lost myself. And now he just dont have players, who can play like he want, because its required very high skill to play like this and winning. Good example Astralis, even they dont play like SK, because they just cant and they focus on ct side and maps, where you dont need have 10+ round on t side
2020-03-01 12:24
#14
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Finland pokka
wtf neither
2020-03-01 01:26
pronax
2020-03-01 01:28
idk why all say fallen when he is clear not good anymore, there is no one whose say that he is a good igl rn
2020-03-01 01:29
#20
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Brazil eumesmo
cause i'm brazilian and they are mad cause i think karrigan and aleksib are bots.
2020-03-01 01:32
kkkkkkkkkk normal
2020-03-01 01:38
#28
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Brazil eumesmo
euro kids think they can bait a br kkkkk
2020-03-01 01:39
Karrigan. People who say fallen are delusional. 2x major winner, build a team from nothing, from a scene with no infrastructure. Karrigan has consistently played with the best players from his region, even hand picked some of them for Faze and still failed to have consistency at #1 over a long period of time. Stanislaw might be a close second. If this EG lineup fails to achieve anything notable, he might just beat Karrigan for the top spot. Only good for the odd tournament win.
2020-03-01 01:35
#33
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Brazil eumesmo
Yes man, fallen got so many tournaments and was such a good aim at his prime. Karrigan always been a bot, who never got nothing really considerable, having the best aims players at his side.
2020-03-01 01:41
Karrigan is overated a bit, but you cannot deny he built up 3 world class teams. And there are reasons why he never did better with them FaZe - international roster, other than their brief #1, no international team has ever been top 1. Astralis - They lost confidence in him, and he wasn't as expierienced as he is now. Mouz - Have a lot of time to improve, but the international roster issue is still a problem.
2020-03-01 01:58
-He didn't build shit (for the most part). He joined an already ready TSM lineup, he replaced fetish who was the igl. Yes he made TSM better for a short period of time but then failed terribly at DH Cluj Napoca losing vs a dogshit NIP team who got destroyed by navi in the semis. Everything went downhill after that. Yes i agree the team lost faith in him but i'll come back to that. - Joins Faze in an already good team and then hand picked olof and guardian and removed kio and allu. Won a couple of tournaments and then completely failed at the major (again) in the biggest choke in cs history. Then the team loses faith in him (again). Do you see a pattern here? Maybe it's time for Karrigan to look himself in the mirror. - As i said in other threads mouz is karrigan's last chance to prove himself. Again he joined a completely built roster for him with some of the best players in the world. The only excuse i will give karrigan here is that the team is a bit inexperienced and young (especially when it comes to frozen). Going out to 100thieves is the first major red flag. Lets see if he can bounce back but the way they lost vs 100thieves, does not give me hope but the roster clearly has potential.
2020-03-01 04:21
In what world was mouz a built roster they didnt even have a full core before karrigan joined lol
2020-03-01 05:14
your faze and mouz points are completely incorrect - FaZe roster was a top 15, bottom top 10 at best before he joined, the roster had 1/5th of the faze that became a top 3 team. rain jkaem kio fox and aizy. After he joined they skyrocketed of the rankings, and within half a year they were solid top 10-7, he then saved NiKo from Mouz, and got the team to top 3. After he got olof and guardian to make the "superteam". One misconception though in my opinion, was the real skill level of that team, sure rain and NiKo were amazing, but they only really shined under karrigans leadership. Olof was not that great, bottom top 20. GuardiaN was very inconsistent, high skill ceiling yes, but low lows. His system is what allowed that team to thrive, and you could see at their height that his system allowed for rain and NiKo to have some of the best performances of their careers, and GuardiaN had a decent resurgence after lackluster performances in NaVi. - Mouz should be his last real top tier team i agree, but it was NOT completely built when he joined. In many interviews (his reflections with thorin is a good one for this), when he was contacted, it seemed like he would be playing with oskar sunny ropz and another player. But oskar and sunny abandoned the project. He handpicked the players after, he chose to keep ropz, bring back chrisj, take a chance on frozen, and get woxic from hellraisers. In the beginning they didn't do that well, but once the team got comfortable, and they switched frozen's roles, once again his system allowed for ropz to have a massive spike in performance, massive spike in woxic, and frozen. Are you completely forgetting the fact that they made 5 finals in a row and won 4 of them? sure they werent all tier ones. But they were showing a very high level. This event should be a one-off for them, very disapointing yes. But 100T are known to do this kind of thing, upset tons of teams and sneak into playoffs. The mouz roster is young, and Rejin (coach) is working very close with karrigan, you also have to consider on all his other teams, they didn't have very good coaches for most of the time. RobbaN didn't do shit other than tell them they could do it. Zonic came in way to late for astralis for karrigan and him to really have a good working relationship. And rejin is a very good coach and analytic. Also, with astralis, FetiSh was a really average IGL, that team was bottom top 7, top 4 at best, players weren't that exciting, only dupreeh and Xyp were worth watching at the time, and karrigan killed their choker mentality in 2015 for many events, especially vs fnatic, turned device into one of the brightest stars of the new era, and yes after Cluj the team platued and fell off, but the entire time they didn't have a coach, or any real infrastructre. People forget that even with gla1ve, astralis was in the exact same position in 2017 as they were in 2016 with karrigan.
2020-03-01 12:01
+1 but I don't like reading why did you write this much
2020-03-01 12:17
idk just kind of kept going
2020-03-01 12:26
A good read. i'll add : People also forget that he won 2, tier 1 events with two different standins, and take into consideration how different the teams he has lead are. TSM/Astralis highly tactical team, FaZe highly Fragging team, Mouz a bit of both. His own fragging potential shouldnt be taken into consideration when you are talking about his IGLing.
2020-03-01 14:10
#60
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Germany AdiZen
FalleN had many more opportunities of building a team but since boltz left this team has become shit and he couldnt even touch anything Karrigan on the other side was on the top in so many different lineups its unbelievable obviously he had the better players to work but it doesnt change the fact that they sucked before that all. Not winning a major isnt the biggest problem as the system is kinda wack, compared to that Liquids last major run was even more disappointing
2020-03-01 05:13
+1 smart norweigan
2020-03-01 12:29
Fallen
2020-03-01 01:36
#24
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United States machemm
fallen
2020-03-01 01:37
#27
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Brazil ricca
fallen isnt overrated retards hes outdated twats
2020-03-01 01:38
+1
2020-03-01 05:10
#92
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Australia flashi
-1
2020-03-01 12:19
#29
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Brazil fazecrack
nitro
2020-03-01 01:39
#37
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Brazil eumesmo
i think nitro is underrated actually.
2020-03-01 01:43
yeah, 222 days without win is underrated
2020-03-01 01:52
Wat? Winning grand slam in 60-some days while having amazing pop flash and trade stats is underrated.
2020-03-01 12:28
You didn't learn math in school? They won Grand Slam in july lol, we have march now This is almost year without winning right now, he's just bad now. Maybe he was good but not now
2020-03-01 13:44
Yea, the mightve not won anything, but they have still been at a top level.
2020-03-01 14:12
Because of good personal skill mostly
2020-03-01 16:00
Yea, Thats the excuse for every single case. If team does good = good personal skill. if team does bad = bad IGL.
2020-03-01 22:18
#62
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Germany AdiZen
Idk who is the reason but nitr0 or anyone in liquid have the problem not stepping up against opponents like astralis and they heavily rely on their confidence.
2020-03-01 05:14
fallen
2020-03-01 01:39
Fallen
2020-03-01 01:40
at this moment, Fallen.
2020-03-01 01:42
Neither. Only stanislaw
2020-03-01 01:41
stanislaw shit, polish ofc (what means he is big brain) but shit
2020-03-01 01:52
blamef, ALEX
2020-03-01 01:41
#42
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France RAINIZK
+1000
2020-03-01 01:46
they're shit IGLs, give me atleast one brilliant tactic by them
2020-03-01 01:51
Go watch Cologne vs Astralis. Alex completely outcalled gla1ve
2020-03-01 12:15
ofc Aleksib, Fallen is not overrated, he is not even "rated". He is just bad. Aleksib is just decent as leader. Karrigan is almost the best. Of course the best is HUNDEN. Zeus was also the best but he retired. NEO is very good IGL as well, Boombl4 is very promising. Fat but big brain. Ah, yeah, Glaive. He is very good as well So: (because NEO and Zeus don't play) The best: HUNDEN Second: Karrigan Third: Glaive/Nexa 4th: Boombl4/Nexa Rest: IGLs (AleksiB included) Last: NiKo and Jame, why the hell best fraggers in team are IGLs? Wtf... That's why VP have 11/12 loses and Faze suck I didn't even count Fallen because they're tier 2/3
2020-03-01 01:51
What did u reply to me when i said "Poland is a racist country"?
2020-03-01 12:18
#128
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Bulgaria GodHeaven
boomich > niko in what world? 0 tactics 0 teamplay only firepower their t sides sucks against decent team
2020-03-01 13:51
Have you seen FaZe clans T sides? When they run out of ideas they just completly stop and nothing works, just look at the T side 3rd map VS NaVi. And NaVi just beat Astralis, giving them their worst defeat ever.
2020-03-01 14:14
#152
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Bulgaria GodHeaven
i saw their t side nuke and their t side mirage so what? navi just relies on firepower no tactics and astralis had day off
2020-03-01 14:17
Ye, but in general i think FaZe should get an IGL (unless they continue their form from blast) So NiKo can fully focus on fragging
2020-03-01 14:20
#155
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Bulgaria GodHeaven
ofc ofc but strategically faze on SOME maps are better than navi they were so close to close 2 maps but they made alot mistakes hope next tournament they fix their mistake
2020-03-01 14:22
fallen and ALEX
2020-03-01 04:22
aleksib. Some people really think he is a great, great igl.
2020-03-01 04:26
IGL's are overrated.
2020-03-01 05:03
#64
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Germany AdiZen
No lol Good igls bring in consistency
2020-03-01 05:15
IGL's dont matter as much when you hit form like NAVI/AST, the players become one in-sync unit where they know what to do at all times, when teams are in the zone like that it starts becoming team instinct not IGL pulling strings like a puppeteer. IGL is only good for teams that lack structure and confidence in the first place.
2020-03-01 05:22
#75
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Germany AdiZen
You are partly correct but IGLs are most often the guys who read the opponents completely abuse their rotations and such its smth not all players do
2020-03-01 05:26
Teams without good IGLs lack structure...
2020-03-01 12:14
Name me a team that has been in contention for trophies without an IGL.
2020-03-01 13:56
Tell me where I said you don't need an IGL. Cheers.
2020-03-01 14:04
So how can they possibly be overrated?
2020-03-01 14:10
Because they can only build structure and keep a the players calm which yes is massive but Astralis isn't Astralias because of glaive, Liquids dominance was not because of nitro etc etc, these teams are examples of what it looks like when they are in the zone, playing in the moment full of confidence, at that point it becomes instinct which all good players have, the IGL's actually do less work when teams are in the flow/zone. You can't just go get glaive = top 1, it's a team game team effort.
2020-03-01 14:18
Thats all they can do? Astralis' dominance for two years was not thanks to being in the zone that long. Lets use astralis and liquid as an example. Mechanically who has the better players - liquid or astralis? Both teams have stable rosters and a structure thats been in place for a long time. Who is the better team? Who is responsible for that? The coach? What about in the round when theres a minute on the clock and its a 3 vs 3 retake on overpass a site. Who is setting that up and planning the play mid-game? All the players? Still the coach? Is it the fraggers job to remember the likely post-plant setups? Or the IGL? I can understand in T4 wheres its MM strats and running around fighting but not at T1. You'll never hear pros or former pros call an igl an overrated piece of the unit. Thats because they give the rest of their team a method of how to synchronise themselves to have the best chance of winning.
2020-03-01 14:33
karrigan.
2020-03-01 05:04
currently: aleksib all time: pronax
2020-03-01 05:12
Clowns that think since Tarik was igl once they should kick every igl on his team and let him igl.
2020-03-01 05:21
#71
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China jbsteven
shox
2020-03-01 05:22
#107
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Hungary Rollie
lmao, no-one rates him as an igl
2020-03-01 12:57
#74
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Europe eyttz
zeus
2020-03-01 05:26
#77
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Kazakhstan Tripper^^
Pronax
2020-03-01 12:02
wtf
2020-03-01 12:18
#94
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China Manchu
He was a great IGL for Fnatic what are you talking about?
2020-03-01 12:20
fallen
2020-03-01 12:05
#79
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Poland Kazk
Aleksib
2020-03-01 12:09
Stanislaw
2020-03-01 12:12
fallen
2020-03-01 12:15
#88
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Australia flashi
fallen
2020-03-01 12:19
both
2020-03-01 12:21
Karrigan. He'll never win a major.
2020-03-01 12:32
stanislaw and fallen
2020-03-01 12:32
Stanislaw by far. The guy is trash yet somehow gets hyped.
2020-03-01 12:54
gla1ve
2020-03-01 12:55
#104
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Russia MeowZer
aleksib top 5 igl karrigan most overrated
2020-03-01 12:56
#106
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Hungary Rollie
Fallen
2020-03-01 12:57
nitro or fallen
2020-03-01 12:59
Nitro
2020-03-01 13:03
Fallen
2020-03-01 13:06
Unpopular but AleksiB
2020-03-01 13:06
no)) aleksi is kinda uncomfortable because of language barrier (nbk said in interview) and even with that his team looked solid against both g2 & eg
2020-03-01 13:16
Well yes but actually no, he was top tier IGL when in fully finnish squad, language barrier is simply just not an excuse, rn he is worse than karrigan
2020-03-01 13:18
almost every IGL in the world is worse than karrigan but he's still very good this OG roster exists for ~3 months and i think they develop well
2020-03-01 13:21
I can agree that his calling "rush through smoke" is crazy and unacceptable, but you are giving basically no credit at all
2020-03-01 13:48
well, there's no IGLs who don't make bad calls sometimes
2020-03-01 13:53
Fallen and gla1ve
2020-03-01 13:07
wtf?
2020-03-01 13:12
are you tired of responding to every comment under this post?
2020-03-01 16:34
answered to couple which i accidentally read, idk why u even care about it and yeah, i don't get your point at all about gla1ve & fallen
2020-03-01 16:58
Gla1ve cherished losing Navi 2 times in a row(its a record). And FALLEN- just can’t do anything without coldzera.
2020-03-01 17:00
Plopski
2020-03-01 13:08
Fallen
2020-03-01 13:10
only brazilian igl who won a major (even 2) + top2 player of 2016
2020-03-01 13:18
>karrigan >overrated ok
2020-03-01 13:12
karrigan is so good wtf guys aleksib and stanislaw are the most overrated igls ever
2020-03-01 13:22
FalleN
2020-03-01 13:56
Nitr0 Hes been at liquid for so long with amazing talents and they can't win trophies (4month spree last year is clearly an outlier)
2020-03-01 13:58
fallen or aleksib
2020-03-01 14:02
#139
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Finland oopee71
Fallen
2020-03-01 14:03
overrated? Karrigan for sure! this pig made us believe he is a mastermind and then he threw 2 bo3 vs lower teams being 1 map ahead and with a nice start at 2nd which was also his own pick..
2020-03-01 14:06
#144
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World Beard43
ALEX right now, for all time I'd say FalleN.
2020-03-01 14:08
nowadays: FalleN because everything this guy has done, and his current situation right now.
2020-03-01 14:10
ALEX
2020-03-01 14:35
Ex6TenZ for all time
2020-03-01 14:37
Guys, are you stupid or what? How 2 times Major and 10 other tournaments winner can be overrated?
2020-03-01 14:54
Fallen or Dazed
2020-03-01 14:54
#164
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Turkey M@CHINE
niko about calling
2020-03-01 16:03
Karrigan
2020-03-01 16:03
karrigan
2020-03-01 19:59
Gla1ve Fallen EX6
2020-03-01 22:25
and ALEX
2020-03-01 22:25
Secret
1.57
Izako Boars
2.35
Galaxy Racer
1.02
LDLC
13.50
FURIA
1.61
G2
2.43
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