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END OF ENCE ??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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United States GrandNagusZek 
People say that they did dumbest roster change in history (changing their mastermind IGL) and moved from top2 to top30 What You think? Was is the dumbest roster move in history of CS?
2020-03-17 16:56
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#1
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United States IdolaMochi
The Dumbest one is definetly Cloud9 deciding to keep Skadoodle
2020-03-17 16:57
team was falling apart anyways
2020-03-17 17:00
#6
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United States IdolaMochi
falling apart because of skadoodle by not kicking him, they lost stewie and tarik their 2 most important players and their whole fanbase
2020-03-17 17:01
you guys know nothing wtf, rush said ska was going to leave after the major but he stayed because stew and tarik were going to leave, fucking c9 in the process
2020-03-17 17:56
Yeah i remeber hearing the Ska wanted to Retire to go full streaming after Major but didn't want to leave the team fucked without a roster so ended up staying while the roster fell apart
2020-03-17 18:27
yea watch rushs interview he clears up everything about the mess on what happened in c9
2020-03-17 18:27
Dude, Cloud9 was joke even before it ENCE was top2 team in the world
2020-03-17 17:01
cloud9 was a top 5 team before the major run bro, they placed semis and esl one new york and oakland along with that dreamhack win
2020-03-17 18:17
ence wasnt top 2 team jajajaja delusional ence was a good team,top 5 at max
2020-03-18 22:59
according to divine hltv rank they were
2020-03-19 09:24
no they wasnt
2020-03-20 03:28
1st July 2019 What was ENCEs rank?
2020-03-20 16:41
u might be so dumb to accord that a team its a top 2 team in the world cuz they were top2 on hltv for a SINGLE week. kkkkkkkkkkkk so furia was a top 5 team they never was,but they were a good top 10 team
2020-03-20 18:56
1st July 2019 was ence #2 team in the world si o no? si = you are right no = you dont agree with hltv and no one agrees with u gg
2020-03-20 21:11
no cuz u cant take seriously a week positining of a team,if they were like 3 weeks top 2,than u can say that they were a top 2 team. but 1 week at top 2,just make u a joke thats what ence is right now,a joke
2020-03-20 21:34
1st July 2019 was ence #2 team in the world si o no? si = you are right no = you dont agree with hltv and no one agrees with u gg
2020-03-20 21:54
cry baby no cuz u cant take seriously a week positining of a team,if they were like 3 weeks top 2,than u can say that they were a top 2 team. but 1 week at top 2,just make u a joke thats what ence is right now,a joke
2020-03-20 23:04
according to divine hltv rank c9 was top 2 team
2020-03-20 12:33
This is definitely not even in the top 10.
2020-03-17 18:28
#61
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Ukraine ksay
not even close
2020-03-17 22:40
#63
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United States IdolaMochi
alright thanks for telling me the same thing as everyone else and not suggesting anything better just like everyone else
2020-03-17 22:41
#64
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Ukraine ksay
just wanted to let you know that there are a lot of us
2020-03-17 22:41
#65
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United States IdolaMochi
Would be better if you guys tell me whats worse
2020-03-17 22:42
matchfixing piece of shit
2020-03-19 19:35
Litterly the reason they won a major. Clown 9 wasnt going anywhere anyway
2020-03-20 12:53
#145
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Sweden Lagge15
So not a move is the worst move?
2020-03-20 14:35
tier 3 cs is not relevant here
2020-03-20 16:39
#2
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Finland Cucumber))
Can't think of anything worse
2020-03-17 16:58
#38
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Netherlands SpiceNut
Already long gone men
2020-03-17 18:28
ence era over soon
2020-03-17 17:00
already over...
2020-03-17 17:38
era? only best team have era.. last year Liquid had era
2020-03-17 17:48
#18
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Germany _PH1L
Xd try repeating it until u believe it
2020-03-17 17:50
#28
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Ukraine piratz0r
era of ez4ence music kits
2020-03-17 18:01
Liquid didnt have an era last year. They had a long run but not an era.
2020-03-17 18:31
kick aleksi kick taco kick byali
2020-03-17 17:00
kick zeus and kane (Gambit 2017)
2020-03-17 18:34
aleksi had shit character, it wasn't the dumbest kick, btw aleksi isn't genius igl, look at OG, does this team top15 at least?
2020-03-17 17:05
Dumbest comment ever. Bigot kiddo
2020-03-17 17:11
okay, no arguments, who cars about ur opinion?
2020-03-17 17:36
Actually and firstly Who cares about your opinion
2020-03-17 20:58
k man
2020-03-17 20:59
#25
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Finland Jolkkoswag
+1
2020-03-17 17:58
#40
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Finland iBait
Yikes. Have you even seen ENCE play without Aleksib?
2020-03-17 18:28
it's also trash, but I don't think its coz of Aleksi
2020-03-17 18:51
#47
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Finland iBait
It can't just be a coincidence that after ENCE kicked him they've only made playoffs at 1 big event when with Aleksib their most recent result was making playoffs at a Major. Also, what do you mean by "Aleksi had shit character"? Do you work for ENCE or how can you know that?
2020-03-17 19:30
another reason? He fuked girl of his mate and its unacceptable in such a team game as CS
2020-03-17 19:49
#51
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Finland iBait
Ah so you're just baiting.
2020-03-17 19:54
)))0))00)))))0)))
2020-03-17 19:56
Aleksi was the only one from ence that actually had any character
2020-03-18 21:15
so it was the main reason for the kick
2020-03-19 10:52
no, it only means he wasn´t only the sitting zombie like allu
2020-03-19 12:14
the worst by far
2020-03-17 17:04
It will be the worst roster move to ever exist in cs go
2020-03-17 17:05
Without a doubt the worst of all time
2020-03-17 17:08
at this point ence should either rebuild the whole roster or just disband
2020-03-17 17:38
After major
2020-03-17 18:07
#17
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Qatar zablitz
MALD LIONS dropping god HUNDEN is the worst men(((((
2020-03-17 17:50
#26
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Finland Jolkkoswag
+11111111111
2020-03-17 17:58
+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2020-03-17 19:51
+1@@@@
2020-03-19 11:45
+1111111
2020-03-19 17:53
#110
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Sweden Fizze
from almost tier 1 to tier 69
2020-03-19 21:55
+11111111
2020-03-20 17:31
-fnx -aleksi -kio
2020-03-17 17:54
#20
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World Notb8ing
IDK, I would suspect this team was going down anyway from where they were but it was a bad move still for sure looking it from outside anyway, hence I would indeed suggest changes in lineup soon, not the least because this team must be also mentally totally broken at this point, IDK if they can recover from that either making them even more useless.
2020-03-17 18:03
dont use ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? on your threads, please.
2020-03-17 17:56
#135
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Finland jakem0n
+1
2020-03-20 12:40
ence trash
2020-03-17 17:57
#24
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China KoreanFan
Check their world rating week before they replaced aleksi and now.
2020-03-17 17:57
#27
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Poland SebL
Actually i dont think so. I think that even if they would not do that change, they would fall anyway. They have fallen because players like Aerial, xseveN, sergej dropped of form, and started to play really bad. I dont think thats because they lost Aleksib.
2020-03-17 17:58
fallen plays on mibr tho
2020-03-17 18:05
#31
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Poland SebL
I dont think FalleN is a good leader. I mean he is a very good AWPer, but i dont think his leadership is strong.
2020-03-17 18:06
They didnt suck individually when aleksib was kicked. They sucked balls really bad tactically because they basically didnt have any tactics. Because of this they started just losing everything and they lost their confidence 100%. THATS when they started sucking individually and will continue to do so. This downfall is way too much for this shitty team to recover from, they're absolutely destroyed mentally. TLDR; The downfall started by not having IGL, not because they lost form individually.
2020-03-17 18:35
#52
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Poland SebL
Their performance were fluke. Players like Aerial, xseveN, sergej, never should have gotten to a Major final.
2020-03-17 19:56
How about the tournaments after? One is a fluke, two maybe too, not more.
2020-03-17 22:29
#66
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Poland SebL
3 Players have played at the peek of their life at the same time. They will never be that good again. That is Just Lucky and it can be called fluke.
2020-03-17 22:53
They only did good because they had a good caller telling them where to go. Now they're just hanging in the server.
2020-03-18 08:15
#68
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Poland SebL
Absolutely not true. Sergej was an amazing Player. Aerial was playing good to. They had good structure, but their success isnt only Aleksib success.
2020-03-18 12:06
Yes, because they had a good leader. Ever since aleksib left the players turned into bots because they have no idea how to play. Those guys are like turrets, you need to place them in the right positions and they kill.
2020-03-18 13:20
#71
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Poland SebL
Even if they wouldnt kick Aleksib they would be trash now, i promise you.
2020-03-18 14:14
No.
2020-03-18 15:26
#73
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Poland SebL
Im sure it would bro.
2020-03-18 15:26
No. Ence before = good calling. Ence now = bad/no calls. Theres tons of people capable of playing in top teams in terms of mechanical skill. What makes the difference is strategical play.
2020-03-18 19:58
#75
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Poland SebL
ENCE players beside allu and suNny in mechanical skill are not even close to players from G2 for example.
2020-03-18 20:14
Exactly the point, you dont need immense mechanical skill when your TEAM functions. Aleksib made the team play good strategically, and when thats gone they suck balls because they are not that good individually. G2 has super skilled players, better than atralis for sure, but they dont yet have that kind of teamwork to reach top 1 like astralis.
2020-03-18 20:23
#91
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Poland SebL
When Aleksib was on the team their structure was solid but They didnt have like insane strat book or anything. They Just had good team play and solid standard. Thats it.
2020-03-18 23:24
You dont need insane set stratbook. Good midround calling is the way to go, and aleksib did very good job in that. Did you even watch any of their games? They only won big teams because they read them perfectly, not individual performances.
2020-03-19 11:43
#111
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Poland SebL
I know. But still players has gotten a lot worse and its not only because they lost IGL.
2020-03-19 22:49
It is, they lost confidence and motivation when they started sucking without aleksib and suck even more every day. Its endless pit.
2020-03-20 07:22
#137
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Poland SebL
Even with Aleksib they would have sucked. They have their life form when Aleksib was on the team, when the form ended, the team ended.
2020-03-20 12:41
Sorry, but no.
2020-03-20 14:02
#140
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Poland SebL
Its true. Everyone says so.
2020-03-20 14:08
No one says so really, and ones saying so are just retarded and dont have a clue how this game works. When -aleksib the team ended. Playing like shit compared to with aleksib resulted in loss of confidence and momentum. They are mentally in really bad place by now.
2020-03-20 16:40
#150
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Poland SebL
They would lose momentum even with Aleksib.
2020-03-20 17:28
No reason.
2020-03-20 17:51
#156
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Poland SebL
They suck. Thats the reason. Those players had their life performance, but overall they are not a good players.
2020-03-20 20:04
I know they aren't, they never were great players individually. Not when they were top 3 team and not now. Without aleksib they would have never achieved anything, but aleksib made the team function better than any other team at the time. Reason they didnt reach higher was because they simply have too shit players for that.
2020-03-20 20:13
#158
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Poland SebL
sergej was playing really good. And now he is bellow average. If sergej would play like he do now, they would never come that far.
2020-03-20 20:52
Yes, because of aleksib.. How many times I have to tell you this? Kid doesnt have enough game knowledge of his own to be great but he is great player when given guidance and good conditions to perform.
2020-03-20 21:53
delusional af
2020-03-18 21:23
Just the truth. They never won any top teams because of individual performance, but they (aleksib) just read them like a book and did good midround calls.
2020-03-19 11:44
they weren't good tactically before the kick either, they played mostly defaults
2020-03-17 20:00
They were. Great midround calling, thats what really makes the difference anyways. Aleksib calling was the only reason they got so far. Like you can see now they're just simply trash, because they are making so incredibly bad calls or no calls at all, its painful to watch.
2020-03-17 22:35
+1
2020-03-18 21:23
nt. ENCE was #3 during the roster change
2020-03-17 18:03
-styko +snax was the dumbest imo they were top 3 team ffs
2020-03-17 18:08
#44
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Finland Smoonah
stickos dumb prik haha
2020-03-17 18:34
So is sunny, he lost them spirit match... he had ez kill but managed to fuck it up in 14-15 score in train
2020-03-19 09:25
#114
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Finland Smoonah
didn’t watch
2020-03-20 05:36
good... it was embarassing
2020-03-20 09:01
#146
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Finland Smoonah
yeah that’s what i’ve read... i tend not to bother watching their games since getting rid of aleksib and keeping xseven on the team who constantly bottom frags and looks like he doesn’t know his own positioning half the time
2020-03-20 15:08
#34
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Ukraine volod1m1r
and top22 after :D
2020-03-17 18:08
#43
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Finland Smoonah
Yes.
2020-03-17 18:34
they need more firepower
2020-03-17 19:52
#55
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Germany BIG2020
this, than a long pause, and then maybe -hunden on MAD LIONS but we will see.
2020-03-17 20:02
Sunny is firepower
2020-03-17 22:38
Read the tittle : Yes
2020-03-18 13:20
#79
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Sweden Draden
One of the dumbest for sure
2020-03-18 21:03
Pretty sure they will disband after majors
2020-03-18 21:07
-Zeus
2020-03-18 21:12
#83
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Brazil |LUCAS1|
Why dumb? Sunny is hiding his firepower and they are saving strats for the major, ENCE is better than never!
2020-03-18 21:16
Don't forget what happened to astralis after kjaerbye left
2020-03-18 21:17
they need more time
2020-03-18 22:57
-sunny +ZOREE -xseven +sLowi
2020-03-19 12:20
#105
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Poland BAN_ANIME
rebuild around allu and sergej
2020-03-19 18:01
#125
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Finland yEkQ
annd sunny, +zenh and lets make some thing in lab who can igl and hold sites on after plants (and not 100% sure if zenh can fit with sunny on same team or ence at all)
2020-03-20 11:32
#125
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Finland yEkQ
annd sunny, +zenh and lets make some thing in lab who can igl and hold sites on after plants (and not 100% sure if zenh can fit with sunny on same team or ence at all)
2020-03-20 11:32
Please
2020-03-19 19:33
Dumbest move was when g2 Got smithzzz and ex6tenz back to waste another 6 months
2020-03-20 11:02
Mastermind IGL? Jajajajajajajajaja let me laugh :D Look at how OG is doing with their mastermind IGL ;)
2020-03-20 11:03
Fucking dumb ass They need fucking time, it wool almost a year for karrigan with mouz, took 1 year for Aleksib for ENCE
2020-03-20 11:35
Well They really lack firepower
2020-03-20 11:36
they will never be good again unless they find igl or aleksib
2020-03-20 11:04
Pretty much
2020-03-20 11:04
Yes
2020-03-20 11:34
END OF ENCE ??? WHEN when it was their beginning ????
2020-03-20 11:37
dumbest thing was -zeus +s1mple which led to seized igl,lmao
2020-03-20 12:35
Yes 2nd is probably zeus leaving gambit or stewie leaving cloud9 right after their major wins
2020-03-20 12:41
they were overrated at 2nd these are just true colours, people acting like sergej is a young prodigy lmao he's average at his very best
2020-03-20 14:12
You're legit retarded if you think so. All of the analysts have said aleksib is a legit igl. Obviously their young star player won't perform when he doesn't have a good igl like aleksib setting him up anymore. There are stats showing time frames with sergej with aleksib and without and it's clear his performance was so good because of aleksib's calling.
2020-03-20 20:53
#142
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Hungary raffai
Yap
2020-03-20 14:14
the worst move was when kjaerbye left astralis to join n♿rth
2020-03-20 14:28
no
2020-03-20 17:29
My friend the ence...
2020-03-20 17:31
yes
2020-03-20 21:54
and look where is aleksi now ? his team is no19 with new team from scratch. ence no 21 loool ez for aleksi he will bring og to top 5 in no time
2020-03-24 14:17
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3.45
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3.32
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