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North America cake1 
Average "SG is overpowered" people:
2020-03-25 00:51
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Astralis dont play it until last round on T to avoid giving it to CT, but you know better than them
2020-03-25 00:53
name checks out. pretty sure the post isn't about astralis.
2020-03-25 00:58
read again and use your brain until you understand, im sure you can do it
2020-03-25 00:59
can confirm. you're retarded.
2020-03-25 01:03
You rly don't get it?
2020-03-26 11:11
damn you're stupid
2020-03-26 19:33
Australia urmumsurdad 
i also dont get it pls help
2020-03-31 14:44
guns strong enough for pros to not buy it just in case if a ct gets it It's not good balance saying "the gun is op but if you drop it and a CT gets it then it's more op" Like the balance of the game is "If you die you're gonna die a lot" which isn't even 100% legit
2020-03-31 18:56
Australia urmumsurdad 
ah okay thank you, im a bit slow
2020-03-31 23:23
Russia Islademuerto 
Basically why we have the economy system lul, if u die and the enemy picks up your gun for free u are going to suffer unless u kill them and take all the guns back.
2020-03-31 23:26
DaZeD | 
Sweden joseRr 
2020-03-27 06:36
NEO | 
Denmark Tzianzhin 
name checks out
2020-03-28 02:37
United States America! 
2020-03-28 22:51
.... Reply needs to have actual content
2020-04-01 00:13
hes from Poland lol
2020-03-25 21:36
He is polak... nothing more to say
2020-03-26 11:28
Poland Menaheer 
Typical swedistan
2020-03-26 23:41
BnTeT | 
Indonesia lukerey 
Such a dumbass. Gtfo dude
2020-03-28 02:31
North America cake1 
I do know better than them
2020-03-25 21:12
2020-03-26 01:10
He does
2020-03-25 21:43
Ok cake1
2020-03-26 01:10
Zonic who? cake1 is the real shit
2020-03-26 01:37
You are really stupid pathetic kid
2020-03-27 06:41
India TYZ4 
Astralis 0 tournaments in 2020
2020-03-26 09:00
india 0 scene since 2000
2020-03-26 15:55
India TYZ4 
2020-03-27 06:30
Krieg is op, but I'm not going to bitch about it
2020-03-25 01:01
2020-03-26 11:18
cuz homie don't want no bitchin around whats your fuckin problem
2020-03-26 19:34
I meam, If It's that bad for the game than you should bitch about it.
2020-03-26 23:08
bad game bad guns what's the point
2020-03-26 23:17
Poland rude_wredne 
I think you are the smartestest mens on HLTV 😳😳😳
2020-03-27 00:02
awp abusers are more annoying than krieg abusers
2020-03-25 21:13
Lol what? I will take an SG over AWP every single time at the moment. I destroy every AWP with SG, because its overpowered.
2020-03-26 08:47
name checks out
2020-03-26 08:56
U need some?
2020-03-26 10:21
2020-03-26 10:23
lmao, rage toggle after deranking
2020-03-26 10:33
i've never cheated in cs the loss streak was due to ragehackers. i meet a lot since i get reported so much and get red tf.
2020-03-26 10:45
dude why matchmaking try faceit
2020-03-26 11:11
just for fun, sometimes i dont enjoy cs as much and need mm to chill.
2020-03-26 11:32
United States America! 
bro just fuck around in retakes if you dont care MM is absolute horseshit nowadays
2020-03-28 22:52
2020-03-31 23:28
Lul. Supreme only. I think you need some.
2020-03-26 12:54
give me some time, made this account 1 week ago.
2020-03-26 12:59
you have 5 year veteran
2020-03-26 16:43
its and old steam account. i used to play dota, css many years ago. 800h
2020-03-26 16:52
Australia opzy 
you dont see quadruple awp setups most t rounds, do you
2020-03-26 11:06
Russia Islademuerto 
U haven’t played gn mm in a while
2020-03-26 11:45
Maybe not 4 but every round 3 for sure
2020-03-26 11:50
North America 007DBR9 
+1 from me
2020-03-27 00:23
2020-03-25 21:15
I dont know if SG is overpowered or not, but it is the best rifle in the game at this moment.
2020-03-25 21:20
SG is overpoweres yet not unbalanced, because using it on the t side can result in picked up ones for the ct side where it is 10× as strong
2020-03-26 10:33
That doesn't sound well balanced now does it?
2020-03-26 11:12
Russia nobody_cars 
just dont buy it and cts wont get it. 400 iq
2020-03-26 11:28
just dont buy rifles, so enemies cant pick them up
2020-03-26 11:33
Russia nobody_cars 
buy R8 so enemies pick it up and lose
2020-03-26 11:34
Europe Vallon3 
Does that picture mock them or the ones who defend SG?
2020-03-25 21:23
Germany ihaveautism1 
both of them.
2020-03-25 21:34
+1 it's why I love this format so much
2020-03-26 01:20
Krieg should receive a slight nerf no doubt. Maybe a small ROF nerf, or +100-200 dollars but don't kill the gun
2020-03-25 21:25
at best, you slightly increase its price. that's all. +150$ (at the cost of 1 more flashbang). dont change anything in the gun
2020-03-26 01:12
The gun should cost 3500. That way it's actually an investment and not just an upgrade. Players like Brollan wouldn't be able to buy into the 2nd round, if they wanted utility. However, even at 3500 people would still buy it. It's just that good.
2020-03-26 01:13
3500$ is too much wtf +500$?? - 1 flash -1 smoke? that's totally useless without utility
2020-03-26 01:31
No utility, exactly.. It's not a gun you should buy 2nd or 3rd round. You would save into it like you would AWP. It's far superior to any previous rifle in the game. Armor penetration is crazy, insane accuracy over a long distance.. It's just that good. 3500$ would still be affordable. The AUG costs 3300$ and it's not nearly as good as the Krieg. At the very least it needs to be more expensive than M4A4.
2020-03-26 08:42
" The AUG costs 3300$ and it's not nearly as good as the Krieg. "---> makes no sense. M4 is not nearly as good as AK and its more expensive than AK.
2020-03-26 17:01
Yes, the CT side equivalent of a scoped automatic rifle is worse than what the T side gets. What I just said makes perfect sense. The CT always wants to save T side weaponry and that's how it has been for years. When the AUG meta was going on, the T side wanted to save AUGs and now that the AUG has been nerfed and it costs 3300 some people still buy it, but others favor the higher firing rate of M4A4. The point I was making is extremely obvious: the best automatic rifle in the game should be more expensive than the other rifles. 3500$ for a Krieg is still reasonable. You just can't buy into it 2nd or 3rd round of the game.
2020-03-27 17:18
"now that the AUG has been nerfed and it costs 3300 some people still buy it, but others favor the higher firing rate of M4A4." ---> nowadays most of time pros dont buy AUG, with some exception. and when they buy AUG its only 1 per round. "The point I was making is extremely obvious: the best automatic rifle in the game should be more expensive than the other rifles"---> again, you point is logically invalid if we follow the same logic of M4/AK Price/Firepower. AUG should be more expensive than Krieg.
2020-03-28 02:28
I don't understand where you're bringing "logic" into this. It's about making the gameplay & strategy for this game better, so that's why the Krieg should cost 3500$ to make it the upgrade and not your primary weapon of choice for every buy round where you know the enemy is going to be bringing out rifles also.
2020-03-28 13:36
"It's about making the gameplay & strategy for this game better"--> The gameplay and strats are interesting now the way it is. You are just crying to SG. SG is not an upgrade riffle for T. The same way AUG is not an upgrade riffle for CT. It is an option depending on the strats. Again, SG should not be more expensive than AUG, stupid
2020-03-29 05:51
"SG is not an upgrade for the T?" What the f.. are you a monkey? You must be.
2020-03-31 12:15
SG is for AUG the same way AK is for M4
2020-03-31 16:46
plus SG is not that OP for T-side. its much more OP for CT side, hence T doesnt need to save it like they would with an AWP
2020-03-26 17:04
Id add 200 at first and see what it does
2020-03-26 01:45
kennyS | 
Croatia franX^ 
Nothing, just like the 250$ increase did nothing
2020-03-26 09:33
Lithuania arres 
Yeah... you are not very smart
2020-03-26 10:48
kennyS | 
Croatia franX^ 
You really think 200$ would change something?
2020-03-26 14:51
Lithuania arres 
Yes. Why wouldn't it? Especialy when you have very good alternative that costs 500$ less. And with 500$ in cs you can buy 2 nades on T side. If you really would have taken a notice, many pro matches before price increase were all SG with some exceptions to people who did not learn how to play with it yet. There were many rounds where teams bought 4 SGs + AWP, nowadays you don't see that. So maybe price increase did something after all. Also check the statistics of weapons used, you will definitely see a decrease in SG usage after price update.
2020-03-26 15:35
250 is very much and every pro player would buy a flash + ak then sg wirhout flash.... only nubs would buy sg withou utility then ak with it
2020-03-26 11:29
kennyS | 
Croatia franX^ 
Have you watched any pro matches last 3 months?
2020-03-26 14:51
yeah almost everything 2 events bahrain and moscow i was there. only the shit online matches i havent seen
2020-03-26 15:03
or buff ak and m4 first bullet accuracy to about double the accurate range so that you dont have to buy scoped weapon to compete on mid range
2020-03-26 10:57
It's quite funny seeing s1mple playing with it like a fucking awp vs scouts
2020-03-25 21:40
+ 100000
2020-03-26 01:11
2020-03-26 01:21
NiKo | 
Finland Unb8able 
0/8 b8 m8
2020-03-26 01:22
Krieg OP so you have to abuse the shit out of it so Valve sees that it's a problem. Not playing the weapon doesn't help the situation
2020-03-26 01:38
tbh they should just put the rof start with 4 and make it single bullet only with scope on.
2020-03-26 01:44
This would actually make it an interesting gun, other wise remove scoped AR's.
2020-03-26 10:28
removing the ability to spray scoped would actually be a buff, people would practice tapping with it more and get even more headshots on long range fights instead of spray and pray like a nub trigger discipline is also a skill
2020-03-26 10:58
lmao scoped krieg spray is easiest spray in the game and the most broken thing in the game in general when u combine it with best stats for any rifle in the game. also how the fuck is it a buff when it's already in the game? u dont have to spray mongol
2020-03-26 16:18
it is easy yes you pull down but it still increases the bullet spread, the 2nd bullet from krieg has like 10x more spread than the first one, try it out by shooting 2 bullet bursts at a wall for example from A site dust2 into wall above pit. your 2nd bullet can end up above, below, left or right of the first one in a pretty big circle. tapping with krieg at long range you can shoot like 4 bullets per second with full accuracy
2020-03-26 16:38
man, any other rifle u need to pull both left and right at the right times to make good spray, krieg is simply left bottom and u are set, u cant fail it.
2020-03-26 16:54
2020-03-26 01:45
Finland em9 
I would have no problem with the krieg if AK had better 1st bullet accuracy
2020-03-26 01:52
only crybaby is your mom in my bed
2020-03-26 08:53
BnTeT | 
Indonesia lukerey 
You don't even have a dick. Shut the fuck up
2020-03-28 02:33
United Kingdom Dylan9007 
Dude the gun needs a change
2020-03-26 10:28
"Rewards aim": Explain how the devs giving it insane accuracy means it "rewards aim"? A gun that CT's drow awps for in order to save should tell you how broken it is right now,
2020-03-26 10:31
aim noun (POINTING) [ U ] the act of pointing a weapon towards something rewards aim because it of no RNG and accuracy so you can tap safely instead of spraying
2020-03-26 10:35
In theory you might be correct, in practice what the krieg is doing is making people with shitty aim look better because of how insane it is. With the AK, the people with better aim were getting more kills with it - krieg meta, who knows?
2020-03-26 10:37
no, what the AK does is make people with shitty aim look better. you can just aim over someones shoulder, hld down mouse1 for 15 bullets, do the spray pattern, and some bullet will randomly hit your opponents head that you werent even aiming at, unless youre very unlucky. tapping with krieg you actually have to aim at the head to hit it what is actually going on is that you got some wires crossed in your brain that make you think spray and pray = skill and careful aiming and tapping = nub. its the other way around mein freund. if you are losing to people spraying with krieg at long range, its probably your own fault. krieg has large vertical recoil variance when spraying. just buy a scout or some other accurate long range weapon and kill them with headshots
2020-03-26 11:02
Soo you say that in a pro play an average pro fires 15 bullets from ak before killing a target?
2020-03-26 11:19
depends on the range they are fighting at. watching recent games on nuke for example by navi, i regularly saw battles of AK vs M4 outside, from the stairs at CT spawn, all the way to the red container outside secret. those battles take more than half a magazine before someone gets a kill usually. with krieg at that range, it will take less on average, but if you are unlucky in full spray and dont get the kill in the first couple bullets the spread will become very large and you might not get it at all. my rule of thumb is: if enemy is far enough away that you need to scope, you should be tapping for headshots. close range up to about 15m you can spray without scope. spraying with scope isnt very useful, why reduce your accuracy down from 100% when you can just click the heads. of course if your enemy is jumping around or crouch spamming instead of trying to shoot back at you while adading then it may be better to spray at his body at range. it may be hard to hit headshots consistently in this game on jumping crouching and rotating enemies because animations arent synced properly between clients.
2020-03-26 11:22
How is a gun that zooms closer to the target, has an incredible accuracy with first few bullets while scoped skill based? That's like saying an awp is a skill based gun and to answer my previous question, no, pros with AK don't go around and randomly fire half mag and get a lucky headshot, to fire 15 bullets you need like 3secs without even counting reaction time, by that 95% of the duels are already over.
2020-03-26 11:23
zooming in doesnt make aiming easier. it makes fov smaller. enemies appear bigger but also move faster on the screen. it doesnt actually change anything, unless maybe if you have super low resolution or a really small screen, or if you need glasses. >thats like saying awp is a skill based gun it is. you can only shoot 1 bullet every few seconds and if you miss youre probably dead. you have to always be ready for your opponent, predict flashes so you can actually shoot at enemies instead of being blinded and getting rushed down, you must have good movement to get in and out of cover quickly, you need good timing to peek when opponents arent expecting it or prefiring your position. you need precise pre aim and fast reactions and accurate flicks. the only thing it doesnt have is spray pattern. >pros with AK don;t go around around and randomly fire half mag and geat a lucky headshot not randomly no. they do it when they see enemies.
2020-03-26 11:26
>to fire 15 bullets you need like 3secs without even counting reaction time, by that 95% of the duels are already over. 1.5 second actually with 600rpm. the time a duel takes is a function of the accuracy and fire rate and damage of the weapons involved and the range at which the duel takes place. in cs, if 2 players are shooting at each other outside of the accurate range of their weapon, and they dont get lucky RNG and hit a headshot quickly, it can take quite a while.
2020-03-26 11:28
average time to kill in other shooters like warface or cod4 is much lower, because weapons are more accurate.
2020-03-26 11:37
2020-03-26 12:16
I thought we were talking about meta and not noob players who need 15 bullets per kill using these guns. In what games are good players randomly spraying 15 bullets at long range to hope for kills and actually winning these duels consistantly? Any one who is half decent at the game will know the krieg miles better than the ak at long range duels. but also is fine to use in mid-range , ak is only better close-range. So what is your point exactly? The ak has lower accuracy that the krieg but when you use the ak in a duel your chances of winning depend more on just aiming at the guys head and shooting, that is all you do with the krieg because, as you mention, the krieg spray is shit, you only option in long-mid range duels is point and shoot.. And this is my entire point, you can theoretically say "ak has lower 1 bullet accuracy, so there is small chance of randomly hitting headshot with 1 bullet". But this isn't how gun duels play out, there are more factors than just aiming at peoples heads.
2020-03-26 16:44
RpK | 
France pol44r 
"im a hardcore cs fan">no you're just to stupid to learn new things "if pro says nerf it it should be nerf">well not all pros says it ,plus there was a time when they cried about the pistols so ....
2020-03-26 10:31
rain | 
Czech Republic CyberBOT 
To be fair, it was also the time when a $300 9mm pistol could 1-shot a helmet when a 5.56 rifle round couldn't
2020-03-26 10:43
RpK | 
France pol44r 
700 dollars deals more damage than a 2050 famas
2020-03-26 10:52
and has higher movement speed and first bullet accuracy
2020-03-26 11:05
rain | 
Czech Republic CyberBOT 
True, but it's also a .50 AE bullet, the force that that bulled has is immense. Also, has only seven rounds in a mag, cannot be sprayed and cannot be reliably rapid-fired on medium/long ranges.
2020-03-26 11:33
Ukraine KingOfSoloSex 
We killed Franz Kriegeld. Krieg will be nerfed.
2020-03-26 10:38
RpK | 
France pol44r 
2020-03-26 10:49
Krieg isnt just op asf it will destroy your entire aim in cs :D
2020-03-26 10:55
Welcome to csgo point and click adventure.
2020-03-26 10:57
Its a peice of shit. Sprays dogshit
2020-03-26 10:58
you have to tap at heads with it at mid to long range, spray is only for 0-15m you can tap like 3-4 bullets per second accurately with scope, 2-3 without
2020-03-26 11:04
People saying that the only change should be a price increase doesn't fully understand what the problem with this gun is. The biggest problem is that the gun is just better in every way than almost everything else. It's a T gun, but when the CT gets it it's even more powerful because of the ability to hold angles more effectively - and it's at that point $0 cost to the CT. No, the gun needs a ability nerf as well as a price increase. Slower spray, both in scoped and unscoped modes and +$300.
2020-03-26 11:34
Colombia thewaifuwars 
300 is too much, maybe 200 and idk if spray nerf would help that much since it's such a tap-tap weapon
2020-03-26 14:57
Well slower spray would make it less versatile, if you miss the tap you will likely die.
2020-03-26 15:06
nice meme
2020-03-26 11:37
ak requires aim too but even if u aim correctly u might get fucked by volvo:) nice logic meme tard
2020-03-26 11:40
Israel GrandpaZ 
Too much rng...
2020-03-26 11:51
if you have level 5 then yeah, you zoom with sg :D
2020-03-26 12:18
only those who cant shoot with AK uses SG fact
2020-03-26 14:55
Kush | 
Netherlands protiny 
yeah don't think so bud Magisk and Brollan alone would wipe the floor with you easily for one.
2020-03-26 19:34
they are pro players they would wipe floor with me even with glocks i just dont think cod weapons belong to cs
2020-03-26 20:00
Poland rude_wredne 
Yet it was always a part of CS
2020-03-27 00:08
never like this tho cancer is part of life too should it be allowed?
2020-03-27 00:09
Poland rude_wredne 
WTF is that comparison u blew my mind
2020-03-27 00:12
you say SG have been part of cs always while its not in its current state.
2020-03-27 00:19
Poland rude_wredne 
Its berry similar to CSS krieg but yea never was 1 shot hs
2020-03-27 00:21
Colombia thewaifuwars 
even if they nerfed it, the krieg would still be a good weapon and retards wouldn't stop complaining because it touches their ak/m4 meta just learn to use the weapon like everybody else and be careful with your investments, so ez
2020-03-26 14:56
France J0riS 
To make it more fair, valve could reduce the rof when scoped in just like the sg in 2012
2020-03-26 14:59
The AK should be buffed with more accuracy, and so should every other gun in the game.
2020-03-26 17:06
Kush | 
Netherlands protiny 
I like the DonHaci edit better.
2020-03-26 19:32
2020-03-27 00:09
its krieg for fucks sake
2020-03-27 17:20
2020-03-31 13:18
Yes but the real spelling of kreig is krieg
2020-03-31 13:34
SG is spelt SG!
2020-03-31 14:40
United States jsxanatos 
Average "SG is overpowered" people: Literally 75% of the pro scene lmao
2020-03-27 17:21
thats why the current pro scene is one of the weakest one skillwase in comparison to other eras... s1mple is simply shitting on everybody nowadays but at 2016 and 2017 he wasnt because there were so many skillful players
2020-03-28 02:30
many teams will be irrelevant once the krieg is gone like aug.
2020-03-31 12:18
Fuckng cs go will never move from that stale meta gun rise up ... some time later .... boom gets fucked with nerfs and its never seen again... fucking pistols/ak/m4/awp set up is pretty fuxkig boring after 20 years... both teams get to play on each side with each guns...get over it
2020-03-31 13:52
SG is in a good spot in my opinion, it gives a big risk for Ts to buy since the gun is WAAAAY stronger for CTs.
2020-03-31 13:54
few years ago 90% used ak on t side. now it's about 50/50 krieg/ak from what I've witnessed. It is balanced.
2020-03-31 23:31
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