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United States xKwiSet 
Wrong about every thing in every topic from embracing Stalinism until 20secs ago. But this was quite the whopper-bringing the whole world to a halt exagerating by a factor of 25 or 96percennt lower. and like Micheal Mann he refuses to show anyone the model of the data but is just about wholly responsible for bringing the world to a grinding half. The scientist(whom refuses to make his model or data public) whose model predicted 2.2 millions deaths in USA and 500K in UK - the model used to panic government leaders and promoted everywhere by the media - has just REVISED his model. Now he's predicting numbers that are only 4% as high: 20,000 deaths in UK, and (by implication) 88,000 in USA. We had that many flu deaths in the US in 2017-18.
2020-03-27 08:57
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cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
Maybe you should re-listen that trump interviews from 2 weeks ago. Everything is under control and the virus wont spread much. E: btw these numbers you post are obviously bullshit calculations. This is pseudoscience.
2020-03-27 09:01
+1
2020-03-27 09:03
I got those numbers from Neil Ferguson the author of the model that predicted 2.2million US corona virus deaths. The same model that every idiot leftist on earth has been quoting from the last two months.
2020-03-27 09:16
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cyx | 
South Africa bonkaz 
Leftist here, I feel offended. Would never share such bullshit. Then again I'm quite moderate and often get called far-right because I don't share some of the beliefs in regards to migration.
2020-03-27 09:50
#33
keev | 
Germany _PH1L 
Straight nationalsocialist aka nazi btw
2020-03-29 21:40
#50
cyx | 
South Africa bonkaz 
Yes, wanting to restrict capitalism (not abolish) while remaining more moderate in regards to migration (again - not abolish it) makes me a nazi. Great reasoning, retard.
2020-03-30 14:20
#51
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
baited
2020-03-30 14:22
#54
keev | 
Germany _PH1L 
firstly #51 secondly: what do u mean with moderate in regards to migration
2020-03-31 15:06
You're just an idiot, not a nazi.
2020-03-31 15:08
It's not a matter of political alignment? Neil Ferguson is bad. My dad worked with him and dislikes him very much- he also strongly disagrees with his fear-mongering model. But that's not due to a political view? Seriously, who spreads this bullshit
2020-04-01 15:43
#112
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United States Trump2020KAG 
only Trump said that?????? U know a shit load of Governors senetors and Mayors also said the same exact thing....Along with a majority of the US not giving a fuck when people started saying this could be a big problem and people showed stay home and away...But yeah only point ouut Trump saying it...typical
2020-04-01 21:52
#114
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
I dont feel sorry for you. Your people elected an idiot meme president and now have to deal with the consequences. Going though a historical crises with this 80IQ guy as a leader.
2020-04-01 22:02
#115
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United States Trump2020KAG 
who the fuck asked for a apology or asked for sympathy??????? This kid talking about Trump while he votes for Merkels muslim army....LMAO get real kiddo...All i said was dont point out one side and completely ignore what side u support has said or says
2020-04-01 22:06
#116
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
I never voted for Merkel bro. My name is not MERKEL_GOAT
2020-04-01 22:14
#120
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United States DiabIo 
maybe he should have sounded the alarm and caused panic because you know that's what leaders do
2020-04-02 06:18
#3
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Norway verydenkmem 
People have estimated that at this point, in the US, about 1 million+ people have corona cause they acted so late. And Trump was denying that the coronavirus even existed like 2 weeks ago
2020-03-27 09:05
Hi Norway, maybe you want to check in with the UK, they found that only 7percent of the population had the antibodies or already had it and recovered. And the WHO was denying it was contagious and overtly protecting China well into the middle of January.
2020-03-29 21:28
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United States bakkadilla 
source please
2020-03-30 01:03
#56
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Norway Markus98h 
Linkin da sauce men))
2020-03-31 15:09
#132
HUNDEN | 
Iceland GranMa 
I guess if WHO said that in mid-January, that leaves no time to react after finding out it was very contagious?
2020-04-02 13:50
#113
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Trump wasnt the only one saying in the beginning its not that big of deal in the US....NY Michigan CA Florida Louisiana mayors/governors and senators all told residents go out have a good time in crowds...didnt cancel spring break didnt cancel Mardi Gras didnt cancel Chinese newyear celebrations and parades in NY....Look at all them places now...So dont be a typical libtard with TDS and ONLY point the finger at Trump do it at everyone including many many european countries who also acted way to late....
2020-04-01 22:00
I'm pretty sure italy wouldn't run out of respirators and be forced to let everyone over 60 die at only 0.05% of the population infected if it was just a flu. Italy has the third best health care in the world behind Singapore and Taiwan. Good luck with your reply!
2020-03-27 09:13
Yea third best healthcare from same WHO modeler predicting 2.2million US corona dead-US healthcare ranked 37th-no apology? Nothing in anyone's healthcare life comes from Italy or France-ranked number one but Mick Jaggr came to the US not Paris. while half of all medical globally comes from the ranked 37th US.
2020-03-27 09:20
>while half of all medical globally comes from the ranked 37th US. What does this mean? >rich celeb goes to expensive hospital for treatment What difference does that make to ordinary people? >Yea third best healthcare from same WHO modeler predicting 2.2million US corona dead-US healthcare ranked 37th-no apology? What doed this mean? You got owned :)
2020-03-27 09:24
That means that the US spends almost half of all global medical research and development while France, Italy, Spain, UK, Canada and Australia account for just above zero percent added together. For it my healthcare bills are all 5percent higher. I pay for half of your new medical drugs, equipment and procedures everytime that I pay a healthcare bill. Plus, these countries pay less for US drugs and equipment than Americans pay for the same exact thing. WHy? Because your system and the rest that spend nothing-fail otherwise. and how stupid is the WHO healthcare ranking system model? US gets penalized for high infant mortality rate for birthing kids most countries just declare dead. Phillipines gets big cleanliness of sheets. The leftist will never apolgize for the abject destruction. The reality by spending virtual zero percent of the r & d-really depriving the world all for the sake of free, free, free.
2020-03-27 09:32
^ he’s right you know?
2020-03-27 09:43
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2020-03-27 10:01
So you think that 5% of your medical bills go to private companies in usa so they can develop medicine that get sent for free to Europe? And that is because of leftism? Is that what you actually believe
2020-03-27 10:01
It’s more like 30%
2020-03-27 10:17
So why don't those private companies sell medicine to Europe instead of giving it away? And why is it leftisms fault
2020-03-27 10:47
they do, its just they dont get hit with the r and d costs like we do. they have better agreements in place and price fixing unlike here. america gives more away to other countries than it does to its own people
2020-03-27 20:09
Okay so private companies are selling medicine to europe without charging for the cost of developing the medicine. Why do they do that and why is that because of leftism
2020-03-27 20:56
They do that because they know that they can rape the US government or the largest consumer of drugs in the country the most. They can rape the US government the most because leftists have created a system whereby the federal government has an open checkbook to buy drugs.
2020-03-29 21:31
An example-this migt be old but I haven't looked in a while. HIV drugs ofc US borne basically only= $32,000/yr for life. Insanity. Why nothing said about the trans movement? Trans ops and drugs are eye shattering insanely priced-they can make HIV drugs look cheap-not only is the govt the largest consumer but congress are very large shareholders in the underlying drug companies.
2020-03-29 21:42
HIV meds are not 32K per year though, or at least not generally.
2020-03-31 15:10
So you think that left winged limitations in free market are preventing private companies from adding research costs to the price of their medicine when they sell it to Europe? Can you please explain how
2020-04-01 12:38
#133
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Iceland GranMa 
Would you care to provide some sort of objective information that proves France, Italy, Spain, UK, Canada and Australia pays for "just above zero percent" ?
2020-04-02 13:54
you're confusing having good research labs and high-end clinics (made up mostly of foreign researchers/doctors migrating to the US for high salaries) with having the ability to take good care of an average person on the scale of a whole country
2020-03-29 22:52
Italy 3rd best healthcare in the world.. Are you being serious right now? KEK
2020-03-29 22:11
yes, he's serious, these retarded leftists live in a world of fantasy...he didn't even think it through.
2020-03-31 15:11
I dont even know how you would come to such a conclusion.. italy is known for their disease infested hospitals.. so much that who can afford it will ship their parents over to germany for instance. unreal how ignorant some people are.
2020-03-31 15:15
You dont even have to research Italy, you just gotta have common sense and take a pause. like wtf how do you not think "If Italy is top3 healthcare in the world and it got hit this bad, then everyone below them should be hit at least as bad" , besides , wouldn't he think "UK-Denmark-Sweden-Norway-Finland-France-Germany all have better healthcare than Italy" ??? dudes straight up retarded, he's not even baitin.
2020-03-31 15:17
An education would do you well :) worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best..
2020-04-01 12:39
2020-04-01 12:39
You do realize that all this does is literally discredit that source right??? are you actually a retarded meerkat??
2020-04-01 13:05
No argument, only insults. Good job!
2020-04-01 13:06
Alright meerkat boy, lets do this. 1) Under which metrics are they measuring healthcare in that ranking? i know its not quality, and Chile being above U.S leads me to believe that it's not based on avialability neither. 2) The whole website seems like a bunch of leftist nonsense, just look how they kick it off "Having access to healthcare is seen as a basic human right by many people" this is peak statism, repugnant, retarded, and objectively wrong. 3) "Several factors determine the level of healthcare quality in each country. These include the care process (preventative care measures, safe care, coordinated care, and engagement and patient preferences), access (affordability and timeliness), administrative efficiency, equity, and healthcare outcomes (population health, mortality amenable to healthcare, and disease-specific health outcomes)" Not only some of these are literally impossible to account for at a nation-wide level, but also if we were to take all of these factors into account, Italy would rank much lower than it did, U.S would rank much higher than it did. 4) If Italy has a better healthcare system than Singapore, Denmark, Sweden, Japan, South Korea and Norway...all of these countries would be in serious problems right now, not only are all of these countries in much better conditions than Italy, but Japan even has a 200% higher population and and their median age is even OLDER than Italy, this should not only make you realize that that website is incredibly unreliable but also...your entire worldview is 100% retarded. 5) Your country, along with the rest of Scandinavia, are shitholes compared to U.S , and believe it or not, most people in the entire world would pick U.S x1000 times over your trash ass shitholes, i've seen what your types have been doing these last few years, you know what's most pathetic about you all? that it's blatantly obvious that you know you're full of shit, i can easily tell you dont actually believe your country is better nor freer than U.S , but you say you do, and you repeat it to oblivion hoping that it might catch for everyone else, it never will, just a minute group of Europhilles in mad denial and that's about it. You don't have freedom of speech, your statized goods and services are trash compared to the private solutions, specially education, you get taxed x2 of what people in the freer states of U.S get taxed at and you're colectivist by nature, you want the greatness that U.S and UK have had, but you're HORRIFIED by what they did to achieve such greatness: Embracing freedom...you really think you'll ever get to their level...pfffffffff
2020-04-01 14:09
Ok i only read the first sentence but the source isn't the website, it's simply showing the results from a report from the world health organisation. Try to present an argument that isn't 70% insults, and I might actually bother to read it. Good job wasting your time Better luck with your next reply
2020-04-01 15:07
No arguments when properly challenged, classic meerkat playbook.
2020-04-01 15:21
My argument is that world health organisation has conducted research and ranked Italian healthcare as the 2nd best
2020-04-01 15:39
The WHO can be wrong though, and in fact it's got a bunch of flaws that your statist trashy types often overlook, not to mention that they dont push back on China and they literally straight up didn't recognize Taiwan as a country.
2020-04-01 15:49
Can you present an argument as to why it's wrong? Try make it worth reading and try to make your argument the main subject and not insults
2020-04-01 15:51
You want me to make an argument on why Italy's healthcare is inferior to Germany's, Denmark's , Sweden's , Hong Kong's , Singapore's , Norway's , Finland's and Austria's ?????
2020-04-01 15:53
It might be a lot worse now, but that wouldn't exactly help your argument. See the report that ranked italy as 2nd best is from the year 2000. In 2001 silvio Berlusconi became the leader in italy, and has since worked extensively on defunding public health care. Silvio Berlusconi was part of right wing party forza italia, who formed a government with right wing extremist party lega nord and former fascist party alleanza nationale. So yes, Italy's health care has probably gotten way worse after 20 years with right wing extremist governments, at least when you compare it to countries like Germany who has had left winged governments the whole time
2020-04-01 16:01
Italy doesnt have right wingers, and the only reason why they've been defunding health is because THEY DONT HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT, dumbass, they cant make cuts on welfare because they're a populist country. Italy's healthcare was NEVER even top30 you're just delusional. You're fucking insane.
2020-04-01 16:05
Italy had top 2 health care in 2000 according to who, you've been unable to argue against it. The reason italy hasn't got the money is because of tax cuts by silvio Berlusconi and the other right wing leaders that followed.
2020-04-01 16:08
Well i think if you can use your braincells you'd realize that the WHO just as the U.N are corrupt, useless institutions that shouldn't exist. Taiwan was a founding member of the U.N and the U.N turned it's back on them in 1971. Now their health branch WHO decides to list italy as #2. You're stupid. TAX CUTS??? ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED???? YOU WANT ITALY TO RAISE TAXES: LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE PAYING quotidiano.net/economia/tasse-fisco-1.14.. OH GOD YOU LEFTISTS ARE TRULY THE SCUM OF THIS PLANET. I seriously hope corona takes you and your parents.
2020-04-01 16:15
So what are these right winged politicians spending all this money on then, if not health care
2020-04-01 16:27
You cant be serious LOL
2020-04-01 14:58
It's not me saying it, it's world health organisation.
2020-04-01 15:40
If you believe that Italy has the 2nd best healthcare in the world then you must be smoking crack.
2020-04-01 21:48
Typical right wingers, too scared to make an argument so usrs insults instead
2020-04-02 06:00
Dude, it’s just bs lol. In your own source they make a lost of Top tier counties where Italy isn’t Even mentioned. You have no idea how bad Italians hospitals are. Clueless.
2020-04-02 09:28
It might be a lot worse now, but that wouldn't exactly help your argument. See the report that ranked italy as 2nd best is from the year 2000. In 2001 silvio Berlusconi became the leader in italy, and has since worked extensively on defunding public health care. Silvio Berlusconi was part of right wing party forza italia, who formed a government with right wing extremist party lega nord and former fascist party alleanza nationale. So yes, Italy's health care has probably gotten way worse after 20 years with right wing extremist governments, at least when you compare it to countries like Germany who has had left winged governments the whole time Good luck with your next reply, hope it goes better for you;)
2020-04-02 09:32
? So you admit Italian healthcare is shit rn?
2020-04-02 09:35
Dude you are dumb as hell lol
2020-04-02 09:36
Another right winger unable to make an argument, only throwing insults. In 2000, italy has the 2nd best health care in the world. Since 2001, italy has been ruled by right wing extremista You are in a thread bashing left wingers, arguing that Germany has better health care, Germany has been ruled entirely by left wingers. You call yourself a "rightist" I don't expect you to understand the irony
2020-04-02 11:57
where am I bashing leftists? are you dumb? you dont even read what Im writing lol. you must be confusing me with someone else. you are admitting yourself that italy has fallen off since 2000 and hard. do you understand that you have fucked your own argument, you absolutely DONKEY?
2020-04-02 12:10
The report from 2000 is the most recent from who. What else should I use? So let's agree then, italy has bad health care because only left winged parties care about health care. No more arguing
2020-04-02 12:37
thats a whole different discussion that I didnt even touch lol.
2020-04-02 13:46
and you conveniently dont answer to any points I made.
2020-04-02 12:13
Have you actually seen Italian hospitals? Have you talked to Italians about it? Dude, they are fleeing to Germany if they can afford it. Why? If they are so great? Pls tell me
2020-04-02 09:31
You can read everywhere these days how they have less capacities for it intensive care per capita than Germany for instance. Their people die like flies and you wave a shitty and probably flawed who report from 2000? Dude gtfo
2020-04-02 09:34
#119
shox | 
Slovakia TreeMan 
it's killing boomers and boomers are now in senior positions.
2020-04-02 06:06
“The predictions of the models don’t match the reality on the ground on either China, South Korea, or Italy,” Dr. Deborah Birx Mean like 120 climate models back tested all overstated the already realized global warming? I wonder if they were off by 96percent? I am not really expecting any apologies though-Stalin Mao and Dolph all Time Man of the Year-Dolph got the Olympics-embraced Stalinism and Maoism. those are not concentration camps and hutu death squads don't exist-absent pics the leftist would still be denying the holocaust. no such thing as the Ukrainian famine. Y2K. SARS. MRSA. Ebola. Zika. West Nile, bird flu, madcow, swine flu, and on and on. ozone hole caused by hairspray. 10percent born that way. generational poverty, the gig and sharing economy, higher incarceration rates than graduation rates, 80perccent single parent households-all in the wealthiest country in the history of earth. peak oil peak food/mass starvation brexit won't pass and Trump won't win. record gun and ammo sales will lead to record violent crime gay marriage will lead to less gay suicide Tiger Woods will lead to more blacks on the PGA tour The William sisters will lead to more black tennis players Higher taxes creates jobs Lump of labour fallacy-women doubling the workforce won't lead to stagnant wages Supported Chavez, Arafat, Castro, Polpot and every other brain dead leftist that has ever come down the pike-anyone ever found the Arafat billions? I could go on for four days-every topic in every field, always wrong-never an apology.
2020-03-27 09:13
and scientific consensus at one point was that the earth was flat. virus from communist china threatens mankind every other year. It's the capitalist's fault!
2020-03-29 21:36
Ok dumbfuck, in terms of the corona thing, what exactly has Neil Ferguson done that isnt science? He made a model based on data. He got new data that invalidated his model, ADMITTED THAT HE WAS WRONG INSTEAD OF DOUBLING DOWN ON IT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE TRUMP, and revised his model. That is what science is SUPPOSED TO DO. Thats the ONLY WAY we will ever progress. Updating our models of the world based on new information. I know you are possibly a religious person who is vastly too arrogant to understand the concept of admitting to be wrong, but thats on YOU. The audacity to compare this to climate change, which we have WAY more data about because its been happening for DECADES now for to a crisis that has lasted like 2 months now in the west is pure dishonesty.
2020-03-27 09:17
He overstated by at least 96percent according to himself. Like those climate models-where 100percent of 120 of 120 overstated the warming.
2020-03-27 09:22
"He overstated by at least 96percent according to himself." And he was wrong and he said so. Would you have been more happy if he tried to say "NONONO I AM STILL RIGHT ITS GONNA BE A CATASTROPHE" Would you like him to say that? Also: "Like those climate models-where 100percent of 120 of 120 overstated the warming." source?
2020-03-27 09:52
Banned for using the word dumbfuck. How odd given you use it it in every other post. Neil Ferguson-te man behind shutting down the globe still has not lowered any other forecasts beyond the UK by 96percent via twitter. He was obviously wrong by some insane amount-tons of new data-but no other revisions-go figure. Who is John Christy? Oh but this and he didn't do that and he is a this and a that- I read the white paper-119 out of 120 climate models overstated warming and the other one was on target. We could bet on this and go model by model ourselves for a $1000 crack but you'd be crying and tapping after a week. Or you could produce any one single model that underestimated already realized any non existant warming-but no such thing exists. Maybe in line with 120 yrs of nothing but wrong Xi shold be up for Time Man of the Year- after all the brain dead leftists awarded him an olympics not that long ago.
2020-03-29 21:26
are you on meth? or are you able to respond to my actual questions?
2020-03-29 21:45
feigning ignorance. typical wrong for 120yrs leftist response.
2020-03-29 22:10
nah dude its just that 90% of your response was so incoherent it was as if you were replying to someone else.
2020-03-30 00:58
your low iq is showing, penguin.
2020-03-31 15:12
and he didn't double down? The italian and korean curves crapped all over his head and he only reguessed the UK- while idiot lefyists the world over are still quoting his original 2.2million US corona dead. he basically singlehandedly shut down the most of the world-off by 96percent. get one right in the next 120years in any topic anywhere on earth.
2020-03-27 09:25
Stop speaking so much truth u will be hunted
2020-03-27 09:46
+1 So tired of that flu called coronavirus hysteria
2020-03-27 09:55
Europoors care way too much about the healthcare in USA. I agree if they care about the external politics because it affects them directly or indirectly in some way but why do they care about American internal politics? If it was that bad, the poorest people in USA, from the poorest states who dominantly vote for Trump wouldn't vote for him. They should be thankful to USA for all we've done in the medical field and all the money we spend on it because they benefit from that as well.
2020-03-27 10:05
the real reason they criticise so much is political. socialist agenda being forwarded down the throat of ppl. americans are buying it now. bearnie is there banging on the door. the thing is that they have idealized solutions for "problems" caused by our way of living and they want to try to fix these "problems" with their socialist way, wich is allegedly the best way. in real case cenario some problems are solved and at the same time other problems are created. Lets not forget that our actual way of living has created the apex of human development. so it is not bad as some ppl fantasize.
2020-03-31 15:49
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Sweden Kasidro 
here it seems it is actually the right wing that goes bananas while the left is more like meh.
2020-03-27 10:06
hahahahah cute af meerkat, YOU DONT HAVE RIGHT WINGERS.
2020-03-31 15:20
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Sweden Kasidro 
the political spectrum is not a universal thing, what is right wing in one country must not be the same in another. The political spectrum is extremely complex and not something you can simply divide in two (sometimes 3 I guess) sides. With that said, parties that consider themself right wing here seems to be more alarmist (in the case of corona that is), while the left (that we by your deffinition definitely have) seems a lot more calm. If our right wing is the same as for example the right wing of the US is not really important to the claim. I guess by your standards our Center/Liberals are alarmists and our left/extreme left are calm.
2020-03-31 17:41
except that it is, i dont give a shit what your retarded citizens think its right and left, they've proven to be unable to add 2+2 , you dont have right wingers, in fact...you never did. No scandinavian country has ever been free, and you never will, freedom TERRIFIES you hahahahahahaahahahahha
2020-03-31 17:49
#83
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Sweden Kasidro 
whatever you say mr 10 years old.
2020-03-31 17:51
How ironic that the closet-nationalist swede who embraces the childish and moronic system of his country is calling me "10 y.o" hahahahahahahaha. This world could do with a serious reboot tbh.
2020-03-31 17:52
From what I understood he didn't change his model, he just made a rerun of the model under the current conditions, afaik he released his numbers back when the UK was not yet under lockdown, and on his twitter he seems to argue that he stands by this 500K figure if the situation would not have changed: "Without those controls, our assessment remains that the UK would see the scale of deaths reported in our study (namely, up to approximately 500 thousand)." Source: twitter.com/neil_ferguson/status/1243294.. Aside from that, it's quite expected for alarmist predictions to be inaccurate, because alarmist predictions have precisely the goal to trigger counter-measures to avoid the alarmist outcome, in other words, it's the purpose of alarmist predictions to become inaccurate as the situation evolves, because if they don't, it means that those in power to act didn't listen. There are exceptions to those, for example when it's predictions about phenomenons that humanity is powerless to do anything about, but those have become rarer as technology advanced. Also, I haven't read his final numbers, but I wouldn't be so quick to assume that he would reduce US's numbers so drastically, both because the US' response is not homogeneous due to different states taking different measures, and because of how the situation is perceived by the US government. I also don't see what this has to do with the left (or the right for that matter).
2020-03-29 22:03
Except that the original model included expectations from various reactions- and none of them resulted in a 96percent drop. and it is odd that you omitted and -half of the remaining UK deaths would be from natural causes. This is a normal distribution with 90percent of the distribution in Korea occurring within 32days. If the new infection rate in Italy did peak four days ago as the data says, Italy's curve will be almost identical to Koreas. Likewise it looks like most of europe has peaked or is peaking-Italy, Spain, Germany etc.....have seen drops in new infections and their curves to date mirror S Korea-some wider, some higher- never hear a word about Austria-stop wondering why as the most current data suggests their curve will be both shorter and flatter than S Korea. IOW the whole world has cr8pped or his crapping on his model but he says nothing. The WHO is leftist, they chose to employ Ferguson's model-an funny enough covid 19 act now-the most visited US covid website parroting the endless fear mongering-happens to be owned by a huge Dem donor and run by a former Dem campaign manager. BTW don't tell anyone but the number of new NYC cases put on ventilators dropped in half yesterday from the previous day. To be expected-to be a normal curve-the regression rates will be close to the acceleration rates. The US will end up with less deaths than the flu season of 2017-2018 with an avg age of 81yo, many with pre existing conditions. Previously, H1NI resulted in 60,000,000 US infected, 12,000 US dead, avg age 62.4yo- no panic. Since we're in catastrophe prevention mode-te leftist will always be right. If it turns out to be less it is because of the measures, it if turns out to be more-you should've listened to us in the first place. That logic is how we ended up with one interest rate hike under Obama in eight years and emergency measures put in the financial system in 2008 still in place. There is always another catastrophe coming. We hit full employment in 2012, time to raise interest rates as they said they would at full employent? Nope-trouble in China and on and on and on.
2020-03-29 22:46
"Except that the original model included expectations from various reactions- and none of them resulted in a 96percent drop." It's irrelevant, the catastrophic scenario of 500K remains unchanged under his model, which was the worst possible scenario where nothing was done, comparing the 20K to the 500K is like comparing apples and oranges, it's pointless, these are two different scenarios, and regardless of how the containment scenario may have changed, according to his own words, the "do nothing" scenario has not. ----- "and it is odd that you omitted and -half of the remaining UK deaths would be from natural causes." Not sure what you mean. Are you saying that half of the 500K would be deaths of natural causes? If that IS what you're saying, I'm curious where you read this. ------ "This is a normal distribution with 90percent of the distribution in Korea occurring within 32days." I don't even know what you're trying to compare with South Korea, they had their first case before the UK and they've gotten out of the exponential for some time now, it's practically contained over there. In the UK, it's still in the exponential phase even under the new measures, there are already far more deaths and far more cases, and these countries have comparable population size. South Korea was more prepared and did extensive testing and population tracking, which is how they avoided the full lock-down, the UK did not do that, the outcomes will not be the same, in fact they're already not the same. ------ "If the new infection rate in Italy did peak four days ago as the data says, Italy's curve will be almost identical to Koreas." How? How would Italy's curve even compare to South Korea? Are you just saying that Italy will slowly reduce the rate of case increase? Sure, eventually all countries will, all epidemic curves eventually flatten, even doing nothing, because worst case scenario everyone gets the virus and the number of cases can't increase anymore, but Italy's situation is horrendous, comparatively South Korea is doing fine, and that's not even accounting for the possible rebound after the lock-down ends, which South Korea won't have, I don't know what you're trying to say here. ------ "Likewise it looks like most of europe has peaked or is peaking-Italy, Spain, Germany etc.....have seen drops in new infections and their curves to date mirror S Korea-some wider, some higher- never hear a word about Austria-stop wondering why as the most current data suggests their curve will be both shorter and flatter than S Korea." All these countries have implemented counter-measures, and unless there's intensive testing coupled with case tracking, as soon as lock-downs end, it's going to bounce back. Austria can't possibly be better off than South Korea, they have around the same number of cases for a fifth of South Korea's population, they're doing worse so far. The only positive for them is that they have fewer deaths, but their increase rate is still high, they're not flattened yet. ------ "IOW the whole world has cr8pped or his crapping on his model but he says nothing." You mean that the whole world is crapping on the worst case scenario of his model? Sure, and that's expected, I'm more surprised by the fact that you expect him to say something about that to be honest. That's expected, it would have been far more surprising if countries didn't do anything and let the worst case scenario happen. ------ "The WHO is leftist, [...] Nope-trouble in China and on and on and on." All of this ramble is irrelevant regarding the study and its worst-case scenario prediction. I'm here to discuss why you think that this new 20K figure in any way contradicts the 500K figure, given that they refer to two different scenarios in the first place, and given that one of the author of the study maintains this 500K figure given the same scenario.
2020-03-30 00:28
#49
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Belgium Miiyata 
"WHO is leftist", written by obese american Imagine believing WHO is leftist when whole western world behaved in the same way before huge outbreak--> its just a flu bro, keep working and dont panic
2020-03-30 01:12
Whole western world is statist shitty. And i seriously think you should actually investigate WHO's practices before you give it the weight you seem to. Just so you know, in order for you to be listed as recovered, after 15 days of being tested possitive they just ask you if you feel any symptoms and if you say "no" you're freed and labeled as recovered, this brings me to believe that you can't get infected more than once, they just said so because the individuals they listed as recovered never actually recovered.
2020-03-31 15:15
"in order for you to be listed as recovered, after 15 days of being tested possitive they just ask you if you feel any symptoms and if you say "no" you're freed and labeled as recovered" Do you have a source for this claim?
2020-03-31 16:36
yes, the first 51 recovered Argentinians, some of which have given their testimony in national television.
2020-03-31 16:46
That has nothing to do with WHO. WHO is not running any hospital, they're merely gathering data, coordinating efforts and giving recommendations, any country is free to act as they see fit, in fact several countries have not listened to the WHO, and it's likely to happen again. In general hospitals tend to listen to the WHO's recommendations when they can, but sometimes they just don't have the means to do so, and sometimes they do but are prevented by their governments to do so. So, do you have a source showing that WHO's guidelines on how to count recovered statistics are what you claimed they were in in your comment #61? Or are you just inferring that it must be WHO's guidelines because some hospitals in Argentina used those procedures?
2020-03-31 17:00
im curious...and what you have to say about the Antony Fauci prediction of 100000 to 200000 deaths in USA?
2020-03-29 22:17
He got that number from this guy's model. That is my whole point. the whole world is operating based on this one idiots wild guesses.
2020-03-29 22:48
its not a wild guess...its based in a model of contact and percolation theorem in computational physics considering that no particular action would take to control the desease...the moment actions where made a new model need to be made... if you understand a little you can read about in this paper medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.21.2.. its based in spain in this case
2020-03-29 23:15
I misread your post-I thought it said 1mill-2mill. It is a wild guess based purely on academic theory. The moment S Korea and Italy results started to come in-significant revisions should've been made. Not after reaction was necessarily taken but at the moment that it was apparent it was not exponential beyond the tiny numbers and that Korea and Italy's curve were not Gaussian but normal distributions. BTW I am getting a huge kick out of the one astro physicist completely ignoring that 0 new nfections does not mean ground zero. It obviously existed-3-7percent in the population when the official counters registered one-besides being another thing that LOLs at the exponential expansion.
2020-03-29 23:23
Gaussian distribution its the same Normal distribution....and if you agree with me its a normal/Gaussian distribution, then its a exponential growth... "BTW I am getting a huge kick out of the one astro physicist completely ignoring that 0 new nfections does not mean ground zero"... i didnt find that part, so i cant argue against but i will do anyway....Normally ground states means that the system dont evolves anymore, so if there 0 new infections we are in a gound state. Agree with you its purely academic theory...because there's no data to compare...the only way we can have the data if no actions is made,and we see the effects of late actions in italy. I dont know how its gonna be in EUA....but you can agree its not a simple flu. Theres a lot mecanism in EUA can aggravate the problem, and the population its bigger the italy...so i expect more death in america than italy. "existed-3-7percent in the population when the official counters registered one-besides being another thing that LOLs at the exponential expansion" didnt really understand that part...maybe you can explain to me better?
2020-03-30 00:07
EUA = USA
2020-03-31 15:53
#52
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
took a pandemic for the usa to adopt socialism 👍🏿 thank you corona
2020-03-30 14:23
when will you grow up u little shit
2020-03-31 15:21
#67
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Reunion 1iquser 
ez4socialism socialism gave bolsonaro corona bro
2020-03-31 15:22
😂😂😂 fkn baby bread LMAO
2020-03-31 15:22
#69
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
mad because socialism is the answer for this situation? in 2 months we're going to have communism ez4lenin ez4stalin
2020-03-31 15:24
2020-03-31 15:31
#71
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Reunion 1iquser 
mad cuz im right?
2020-03-31 15:31
entertained cuz yous a cutie
2020-03-31 15:34
free market healthcare LOL 😂
2020-04-01 12:44
ur not cute, you're a rabid meerkat.
2020-04-01 13:03
capitalism so strong it doesnt even survive a flu LOL
2020-04-01 14:38
You are one suicidal meerkat, what are you doing trying to tickle a Tiger???
2020-04-01 15:21
the ultimate system brought to its knees by a flu 😂😂😂
2020-04-01 20:24
mad cuz you are left. hahahahaha now really, it is a mistake to think that socialism is absolutely better and has absolutely better ways of solving problems.
2020-03-31 16:03
#77
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Reunion 1iquser 
mad that socialism is working rn 😂😂😂
2020-03-31 16:29
Dont be an idiot dude we still dont have a full grasp on how this virus operates
2020-03-30 14:27
#72
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Norway Markus98h 
This virus works for CCP, we all know how they operates
2020-03-31 15:33
america just idiot when the governement issued a lockdown they still party like crazy then this week almost 200k LULv AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
2020-03-31 15:11
#64
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Germany BIG2020 
Data is hold back because the first simulation is always a worst case scenario. The Same was done with SARS. There are different simulations and estimations gained from them, and all the Numbers where pretty high. But the source you mention didnt even use a Covid19 simulation. He used a Virus called CAPS which is more lethal then SARS and the first simulation always is run without any countermeasures.
2020-03-31 15:19
So this guy was wrong, and he admitted it and immediately changed his model, btw his model did not lead to greater infections, it was simply a worst case scenario. Meanwhile, Donald Trump was wrong as well, but didn't admit that he was wrong, and instead, when a reporter asked him about that, he replied by calling it a "nasty question." He's been minimizing it for weeks, and this disease is very dangerous to a lot of people. My father has high blood pressure and diabetes, he is at high risk for this, and whenever he got the flu, he would be perfectly fine, but this disease will be very severe if he gets it.
2020-04-01 16:32
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