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United States xKwiSet 
Wrong about every thing in every topic from embracing Stalinism until 20secs ago. But this was quite the whopper-bringing the whole world to a halt exagerating by a factor of 25 or 96percennt lower. and like Micheal Mann he refuses to show anyone the model of the data but is just about wholly responsible for bringing the world to a grinding half. The scientist(whom refuses to make his model or data public) whose model predicted 2.2 millions deaths in USA and 500K in UK - the model used to panic government leaders and promoted everywhere by the media - has just REVISED his model. Now he's predicting numbers that are only 4% as high: 20,000 deaths in UK, and (by implication) 88,000 in USA. We had that many flu deaths in the US in 2017-18.
2020-03-27 08:57
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Germany Shadyy89
Maybe you should re-listen that trump interviews from 2 weeks ago. Everything is under control and the virus wont spread much. E: btw these numbers you post are obviously bullshit calculations. This is pseudoscience.
2020-03-27 09:01
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+1
2020-03-27 09:03
I got those numbers from Neil Ferguson the author of the model that predicted 2.2million US corona virus deaths. The same model that every idiot leftist on earth has been quoting from the last two months.
2020-03-27 09:16
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South Africa bonkaz
Leftist here, I feel offended. Would never share such bullshit. Then again I'm quite moderate and often get called far-right because I don't share some of the beliefs in regards to migration.
2020-03-27 09:50
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Straight nationalsocialist aka nazi btw
2020-03-29 21:40
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South Africa bonkaz
Yes, wanting to restrict capitalism (not abolish) while remaining more moderate in regards to migration (again - not abolish it) makes me a nazi. Great reasoning, retard.
2020-03-30 14:20
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baited
2020-03-30 14:22
firstly #51 secondly: what do u mean with moderate in regards to migration
2020-03-31 15:06
You're just an idiot, not a nazi.
2020-03-31 15:08
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United Kingdom ExCeL1234
It's not a matter of political alignment? Neil Ferguson is bad. My dad worked with him and dislikes him very much- he also strongly disagrees with his fear-mongering model. But that's not due to a political view? Seriously, who spreads this bullshit
2020-04-01 15:43
only Trump said that?????? U know a shit load of Governors senetors and Mayors also said the same exact thing....Along with a majority of the US not giving a fuck when people started saying this could be a big problem and people showed stay home and away...But yeah only point ouut Trump saying it...typical
2020-04-01 21:52
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I dont feel sorry for you. Your people elected an idiot meme president and now have to deal with the consequences. Going though a historical crises with this 80IQ guy as a leader.
2020-04-01 22:02
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who the fuck asked for a apology or asked for sympathy??????? This kid talking about Trump while he votes for Merkels muslim army....LMAO get real kiddo...All i said was dont point out one side and completely ignore what side u support has said or says
2020-04-01 22:06
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I never voted for Merkel bro. My name is not MERKEL_GOAT
2020-04-01 22:14
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United States DiabIo
maybe he should have sounded the alarm and caused panic because you know that's what leaders do
2020-04-02 06:18
People have estimated that at this point, in the US, about 1 million+ people have corona cause they acted so late. And Trump was denying that the coronavirus even existed like 2 weeks ago
2020-03-27 09:05
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Hi Norway, maybe you want to check in with the UK, they found that only 7percent of the population had the antibodies or already had it and recovered. And the WHO was denying it was contagious and overtly protecting China well into the middle of January.
2020-03-29 21:28
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United States bakkadilla
source please
2020-03-30 01:03
I guess if WHO said that in mid-January, that leaves no time to react after finding out it was very contagious?
2020-04-02 13:50
Trump wasnt the only one saying in the beginning its not that big of deal in the US....NY Michigan CA Florida Louisiana mayors/governors and senators all told residents go out have a good time in crowds...didnt cancel spring break didnt cancel Mardi Gras didnt cancel Chinese newyear celebrations and parades in NY....Look at all them places now...So dont be a typical libtard with TDS and ONLY point the finger at Trump do it at everyone including many many european countries who also acted way to late....
2020-04-01 22:00
“The predictions of the models don’t match the reality on the ground on either China, South Korea, or Italy,” Dr. Deborah Birx Mean like 120 climate models back tested all overstated the already realized global warming? I wonder if they were off by 96percent? I am not really expecting any apologies though-Stalin Mao and Dolph all Time Man of the Year-Dolph got the Olympics-embraced Stalinism and Maoism. those are not concentration camps and hutu death squads don't exist-absent pics the leftist would still be denying the holocaust. no such thing as the Ukrainian famine. Y2K. SARS. MRSA. Ebola. Zika. West Nile, bird flu, madcow, swine flu, and on and on. ozone hole caused by hairspray. 10percent born that way. generational poverty, the gig and sharing economy, higher incarceration rates than graduation rates, 80perccent single parent households-all in the wealthiest country in the history of earth. peak oil peak food/mass starvation brexit won't pass and Trump won't win. record gun and ammo sales will lead to record violent crime gay marriage will lead to less gay suicide Tiger Woods will lead to more blacks on the PGA tour The William sisters will lead to more black tennis players Higher taxes creates jobs Lump of labour fallacy-women doubling the workforce won't lead to stagnant wages Supported Chavez, Arafat, Castro, Polpot and every other brain dead leftist that has ever come down the pike-anyone ever found the Arafat billions? I could go on for four days-every topic in every field, always wrong-never an apology.
2020-03-27 09:13
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and scientific consensus at one point was that the earth was flat. virus from communist china threatens mankind every other year. It's the capitalist's fault!
2020-03-29 21:36
Ok dumbfuck, in terms of the corona thing, what exactly has Neil Ferguson done that isnt science? He made a model based on data. He got new data that invalidated his model, ADMITTED THAT HE WAS WRONG INSTEAD OF DOUBLING DOWN ON IT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE TRUMP, and revised his model. That is what science is SUPPOSED TO DO. Thats the ONLY WAY we will ever progress. Updating our models of the world based on new information. I know you are possibly a religious person who is vastly too arrogant to understand the concept of admitting to be wrong, but thats on YOU. The audacity to compare this to climate change, which we have WAY more data about because its been happening for DECADES now for to a crisis that has lasted like 2 months now in the west is pure dishonesty.
2020-03-27 09:17
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He overstated by at least 96percent according to himself. Like those climate models-where 100percent of 120 of 120 overstated the warming.
2020-03-27 09:22
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"He overstated by at least 96percent according to himself." And he was wrong and he said so. Would you have been more happy if he tried to say "NONONO I AM STILL RIGHT ITS GONNA BE A CATASTROPHE" Would you like him to say that? Also: "Like those climate models-where 100percent of 120 of 120 overstated the warming." source?
2020-03-27 09:52
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Banned for using the word dumbfuck. How odd given you use it it in every other post. Neil Ferguson-te man behind shutting down the globe still has not lowered any other forecasts beyond the UK by 96percent via twitter. He was obviously wrong by some insane amount-tons of new data-but no other revisions-go figure. Who is John Christy? Oh but this and he didn't do that and he is a this and a that- I read the white paper-119 out of 120 climate models overstated warming and the other one was on target. We could bet on this and go model by model ourselves for a $1000 crack but you'd be crying and tapping after a week. Or you could produce any one single model that underestimated already realized any non existant warming-but no such thing exists. Maybe in line with 120 yrs of nothing but wrong Xi shold be up for Time Man of the Year- after all the brain dead leftists awarded him an olympics not that long ago.
2020-03-29 21:26
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are you on meth? or are you able to respond to my actual questions?
2020-03-29 21:45
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feigning ignorance. typical wrong for 120yrs leftist response.
2020-03-29 22:10
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nah dude its just that 90% of your response was so incoherent it was as if you were replying to someone else.
2020-03-30 00:58
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your low iq is showing, penguin.
2020-03-31 15:12
and he didn't double down? The italian and korean curves crapped all over his head and he only reguessed the UK- while idiot lefyists the world over are still quoting his original 2.2million US corona dead. he basically singlehandedly shut down the most of the world-off by 96percent. get one right in the next 120years in any topic anywhere on earth.
2020-03-27 09:25
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Stop speaking so much truth u will be hunted
2020-03-27 09:46
+1 So tired of that flu called coronavirus hysteria
2020-03-27 09:55
Europoors care way too much about the healthcare in USA. I agree if they care about the external politics because it affects them directly or indirectly in some way but why do they care about American internal politics? If it was that bad, the poorest people in USA, from the poorest states who dominantly vote for Trump wouldn't vote for him. They should be thankful to USA for all we've done in the medical field and all the money we spend on it because they benefit from that as well.
2020-03-27 10:05
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the real reason they criticise so much is political. socialist agenda being forwarded down the throat of ppl. americans are buying it now. bearnie is there banging on the door. the thing is that they have idealized solutions for "problems" caused by our way of living and they want to try to fix these "problems" with their socialist way, wich is allegedly the best way. in real case cenario some problems are solved and at the same time other problems are created. Lets not forget that our actual way of living has created the apex of human development. so it is not bad as some ppl fantasize.
2020-03-31 15:49
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Sweden Kasidro
here it seems it is actually the right wing that goes bananas while the left is more like meh.
2020-03-27 10:06
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hahahahah cute af meerkat, YOU DONT HAVE RIGHT WINGERS.
2020-03-31 15:20
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Sweden Kasidro
the political spectrum is not a universal thing, what is right wing in one country must not be the same in another. The political spectrum is extremely complex and not something you can simply divide in two (sometimes 3 I guess) sides. With that said, parties that consider themself right wing here seems to be more alarmist (in the case of corona that is), while the left (that we by your deffinition definitely have) seems a lot more calm. If our right wing is the same as for example the right wing of the US is not really important to the claim. I guess by your standards our Center/Liberals are alarmists and our left/extreme left are calm.
2020-03-31 17:41
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except that it is, i dont give a shit what your retarded citizens think its right and left, they've proven to be unable to add 2+2 , you dont have right wingers, in fact...you never did. No scandinavian country has ever been free, and you never will, freedom TERRIFIES you hahahahahahaahahahahha
2020-03-31 17:49
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Sweden Kasidro
whatever you say mr 10 years old.
2020-03-31 17:51
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How ironic that the closet-nationalist swede who embraces the childish and moronic system of his country is calling me "10 y.o" hahahahahahahaha. This world could do with a serious reboot tbh.
2020-03-31 17:52
From what I understood he didn't change his model, he just made a rerun of the model under the current conditions, afaik he released his numbers back when the UK was not yet under lockdown, and on his twitter he seems to argue that he stands by this 500K figure if the situation would not have changed: "Without those controls, our assessment remains that the UK would see the scale of deaths reported in our study (namely, up to approximately 500 thousand)." Source: twitter.com/neil_ferguson/status/1243294.. Aside from that, it's quite expected for alarmist predictions to be inaccurate, because alarmist predictions have precisely the goal to trigger counter-measures to avoid the alarmist outcome, in other words, it's the purpose of alarmist predictions to become inaccurate as the situation evolves, because if they don't, it means that those in power to act didn't listen. There are exceptions to those, for example when it's predictions about phenomenons that humanity is powerless to do anything about, but those have become rarer as technology advanced. Also, I haven't read his final numbers, but I wouldn't be so quick to assume that he would reduce US's numbers so drastically, both because the US' response is not homogeneous due to different states taking different measures, and because of how the situation is perceived by the US government. I also don't see what this has to do with the left (or the right for that matter).
2020-03-29 22:03
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Except that the original model included expectations from various reactions- and none of them resulted in a 96percent drop. and it is odd that you omitted and -half of the remaining UK deaths would be from natural causes. This is a normal distribution with 90percent of the distribution in Korea occurring within 32days. If the new infection rate in Italy did peak four days ago as the data says, Italy's curve will be almost identical to Koreas. Likewise it looks like most of europe has peaked or is peaking-Italy, Spain, Germany etc.....have seen drops in new infections and their curves to date mirror S Korea-some wider, some higher- never hear a word about Austria-stop wondering why as the most current data suggests their curve will be both shorter and flatter than S Korea. IOW the whole world has cr8pped or his crapping on his model but he says nothing. The WHO is leftist, they chose to employ Ferguson's model-an funny enough covid 19 act now-the most visited US covid website parroting the endless fear mongering-happens to be owned by a huge Dem donor and run by a former Dem campaign manager. BTW don't tell anyone but the number of new NYC cases put on ventilators dropped in half yesterday from the previous day. To be expected-to be a normal curve-the regression rates will be close to the acceleration rates. The US will end up with less deaths than the flu season of 2017-2018 with an avg age of 81yo, many with pre existing conditions. Previously, H1NI resulted in 60,000,000 US infected, 12,000 US dead, avg age 62.4yo- no panic. Since we're in catastrophe prevention mode-te leftist will always be right. If it turns out to be less it is because of the measures, it if turns out to be more-you should've listened to us in the first place. That logic is how we ended up with one interest rate hike under Obama in eight years and emergency measures put in the financial system in 2008 still in place. There is always another catastrophe coming. We hit full employment in 2012, time to raise interest rates as they said they would at full employent? Nope-trouble in China and on and on and on.
2020-03-29 22:46
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"Except that the original model included expectations from various reactions- and none of them resulted in a 96percent drop." It's irrelevant, the catastrophic scenario of 500K remains unchanged under his model, which was the worst possible scenario where nothing was done, comparing the 20K to the 500K is like comparing apples and oranges, it's pointless, these are two different scenarios, and regardless of how the containment scenario may have changed, according to his own words, the "do nothing" scenario has not. ----- "and it is odd that you omitted and -half of the remaining UK deaths would be from natural causes." Not sure what you mean. Are you saying that half of the 500K would be deaths of natural causes? If that IS what you're saying, I'm curious where you read this. ------ "This is a normal distribution with 90percent of the distribution in Korea occurring within 32days." I don't even know what you're trying to compare with South Korea, they had their first case before the UK and they've gotten out of the exponential for some time now, it's practically contained over there. In the UK, it's still in the exponential phase even under the new measures, there are already far more deaths and far more cases, and these countries have comparable population size. South Korea was more prepared and did extensive testing and population tracking, which is how they avoided the full lock-down, the UK did not do that, the outcomes will not be the same, in fact they're already not the same. ------ "If the new infection rate in Italy did peak four days ago as the data says, Italy's curve will be almost identical to Koreas." How? How would Italy's curve even compare to South Korea? Are you just saying that Italy will slowly reduce the rate of case increase? Sure, eventually all countries will, all epidemic curves eventually flatten, even doing nothing, because worst case scenario everyone gets the virus and the number of cases can't increase anymore, but Italy's situation is horrendous, comparatively South Korea is doing fine, and that's not even accounting for the possible rebound after the lock-down ends, which South Korea won't have, I don't know what you're trying to say here. ------ "Likewise it looks like most of europe has peaked or is peaking-Italy, Spain, Germany etc.....have seen drops in new infections and their curves to date mirror S Korea-some wider, some higher- never hear a word about Austria-stop wondering why as the most current data suggests their curve will be both shorter and flatter than S Korea." All these countries have implemented counter-measures, and unless there's intensive testing coupled with case tracking, as soon as lock-downs end, it's going to bounce back. Austria can't possibly be better off than South Korea, they have around the same number of cases for a fifth of South Korea's population, they're doing worse so far. The only positive for them is that they have fewer deaths, but their increase rate is still high, they're not flattened yet. ------ "IOW the whole world has cr8pped or his crapping on his model but he says nothing." You mean that the whole world is crapping on the worst case scenario of his model? Sure, and that's expected, I'm more surprised by the fact that you expect him to say something about that to be honest. That's expected, it would have been far more surprising if countries didn't do anything and let the worst case scenario happen. ------ "The WHO is leftist, [...] Nope-trouble in China and on and on and on." All of this ramble is irrelevant regarding the study and its worst-case scenario prediction. I'm here to discuss why you think that this new 20K figure in any way contradicts the 500K figure, given that they refer to two different scenarios in the first place, and given that one of the author of the study maintains this 500K figure given the same scenario.
2020-03-30 00:28
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Belgium Miiyata
"WHO is leftist", written by obese american Imagine believing WHO is leftist when whole western world behaved in the same way before huge outbreak--> its just a flu bro, keep working and dont panic
2020-03-30 01:12
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Whole western world is statist shitty. And i seriously think you should actually investigate WHO's practices before you give it the weight you seem to. Just so you know, in order for you to be listed as recovered, after 15 days of being tested possitive they just ask you if you feel any symptoms and if you say "no" you're freed and labeled as recovered, this brings me to believe that you can't get infected more than once, they just said so because the individuals they listed as recovered never actually recovered.
2020-03-31 15:15
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"in order for you to be listed as recovered, after 15 days of being tested possitive they just ask you if you feel any symptoms and if you say "no" you're freed and labeled as recovered" Do you have a source for this claim?
2020-03-31 16:36
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yes, the first 51 recovered Argentinians, some of which have given their testimony in national television.
2020-03-31 16:46
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That has nothing to do with WHO. WHO is not running any hospital, they're merely gathering data, coordinating efforts and giving recommendations, any country is free to act as they see fit, in fact several countries have not listened to the WHO, and it's likely to happen again. In general hospitals tend to listen to the WHO's recommendations when they can, but sometimes they just don't have the means to do so, and sometimes they do but are prevented by their governments to do so. So, do you have a source showing that WHO's guidelines on how to count recovered statistics are what you claimed they were in in your comment #61? Or are you just inferring that it must be WHO's guidelines because some hospitals in Argentina used those procedures?
2020-03-31 17:00
im curious...and what you have to say about the Antony Fauci prediction of 100000 to 200000 deaths in USA?
2020-03-29 22:17
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He got that number from this guy's model. That is my whole point. the whole world is operating based on this one idiots wild guesses.
2020-03-29 22:48
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its not a wild guess...its based in a model of contact and percolation theorem in computational physics considering that no particular action would take to control the desease...the moment actions where made a new model need to be made... if you understand a little you can read about in this paper medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.21.2.. its based in spain in this case
2020-03-29 23:15
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I misread your post-I thought it said 1mill-2mill. It is a wild guess based purely on academic theory. The moment S Korea and Italy results started to come in-significant revisions should've been made. Not after reaction was necessarily taken but at the moment that it was apparent it was not exponential beyond the tiny numbers and that Korea and Italy's curve were not Gaussian but normal distributions. BTW I am getting a huge kick out of the one astro physicist completely ignoring that 0 new nfections does not mean ground zero. It obviously existed-3-7percent in the population when the official counters registered one-besides being another thing that LOLs at the exponential expansion.
2020-03-29 23:23
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Gaussian distribution its the same Normal distribution....and if you agree with me its a normal/Gaussian distribution, then its a exponential growth... "BTW I am getting a huge kick out of the one astro physicist completely ignoring that 0 new nfections does not mean ground zero"... i didnt find that part, so i cant argue against but i will do anyway....Normally ground states means that the system dont evolves anymore, so if there 0 new infections we are in a gound state. Agree with you its purely academic theory...because there's no data to compare...the only way we can have the data if no actions is made,and we see the effects of late actions in italy. I dont know how its gonna be in EUA....but you can agree its not a simple flu. Theres a lot mecanism in EUA can aggravate the problem, and the population its bigger the italy...so i expect more death in america than italy. "existed-3-7percent in the population when the official counters registered one-besides being another thing that LOLs at the exponential expansion" didnt really understand that part...maybe you can explain to me better?
2020-03-30 00:07
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EUA = USA
2020-03-31 15:53
took a pandemic for the usa to adopt socialism 👍🏿 thank you corona
2020-03-30 14:23
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when will you grow up u little shit
2020-03-31 15:21
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ez4socialism socialism gave bolsonaro corona bro
2020-03-31 15:22
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😂😂😂 fkn baby bread LMAO
2020-03-31 15:22
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mad because socialism is the answer for this situation? in 2 months we're going to have communism ez4lenin ez4stalin
2020-03-31 15:24
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2020-03-31 15:31
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mad cuz im right?
2020-03-31 15:31
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entertained cuz yous a cutie
2020-03-31 15:34
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free market healthcare LOL 😂
2020-04-01 12:44
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ur not cute, you're a rabid meerkat.
2020-04-01 13:03
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capitalism so strong it doesnt even survive a flu LOL
2020-04-01 14:38
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You are one suicidal meerkat, what are you doing trying to tickle a Tiger???
2020-04-01 15:21
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the ultimate system brought to its knees by a flu 😂😂😂
2020-04-01 20:24
mad cuz you are left. hahahahaha now really, it is a mistake to think that socialism is absolutely better and has absolutely better ways of solving problems.
2020-03-31 16:03
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mad that socialism is working rn 😂😂😂
2020-03-31 16:29
Dont be an idiot dude we still dont have a full grasp on how this virus operates
2020-03-30 14:27
america just idiot when the governement issued a lockdown they still party like crazy then this week almost 200k LULv AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
2020-03-31 15:11
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Germany BIG2020
Data is hold back because the first simulation is always a worst case scenario. The Same was done with SARS. There are different simulations and estimations gained from them, and all the Numbers where pretty high. But the source you mention didnt even use a Covid19 simulation. He used a Virus called CAPS which is more lethal then SARS and the first simulation always is run without any countermeasures.
2020-03-31 15:19
So this guy was wrong, and he admitted it and immediately changed his model, btw his model did not lead to greater infections, it was simply a worst case scenario. Meanwhile, Donald Trump was wrong as well, but didn't admit that he was wrong, and instead, when a reporter asked him about that, he replied by calling it a "nasty question." He's been minimizing it for weeks, and this disease is very dangerous to a lot of people. My father has high blood pressure and diabetes, he is at high risk for this, and whenever he got the flu, he would be perfectly fine, but this disease will be very severe if he gets it.
2020-04-01 16:32
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