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Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
Since when have these kids started screaming that it's OP? - It really isn't, in the current meta it's rather balanced, the price of it and the accuracy needed to wield the weapon balance it out. Teams have to work hard to counter the weapon, and most of them manage to do so. Stop the bitchin'
2020-03-29 01:42
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#1
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Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
:P
2020-03-29 01:45
#2
H4RR3 | 
Norway NoeNOR 
+1
2020-03-29 01:48
#3
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Europe Velurom 
+1
2020-03-29 01:49
#4
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Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
+1
2020-04-04 14:29
#5
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United Kingdom TwitchChat 
Here it comes.... once again... the first face is adreN; hes gonna hit the ground; theres cold; OH WHAT!!?!?! THE JUMPING DOUBLE FROM COLD!!!!!!! WHAT IS UH GOING ON RIGHT NOW! HOW DOES HE DO THIS!?!?!?!? COLD TO SAVE LUMINOSITY WITH THE AWP PLAY, UNTHINKABLE SCENES THERE ON THE B APARTMENTS! THEY NEEDED A HUGE PLAY, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING IM NEVER GONNA SEE AGAIN!!!!
2020-04-04 14:30
#6
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Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
? Reply needs to have actual content. That happened ages ago. And it probably will never happen again. What's your point? Let's take the Happy deagle ace. DEAGLE SHOULD BE NERFED, HE KILL 5 MEN WHO GO B BUT HE ONLY HAEV PISTOL DO BOOM BOOM DUPREEH SWEAT BULLET :OOOO
2020-04-04 14:32
nerf deagle
2020-04-04 14:35
#13
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Netherlands SpiceNut 
Recently saw a glock ace, nerf glock???
2020-04-04 14:40
that isnt even possible, no way a gun can do less damage.
2020-04-04 14:47
it's cheating if you only hit the head
2020-04-04 15:44
#57
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Netherlands SpiceNut 
salty
2020-04-04 15:47
not really lol
2020-04-05 08:20
#26
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Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
Lies. glock does 99 in 99, so it would require 500 bullets, which a single glock doesn't have.
2020-04-04 15:03
#54
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Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
Rigged, scripted. Lies. THE CLOUD PEOPLE they're on to us! We have to unite to BEAT THE CLOUD PEOPLE ONCE AND FOR ALL!
2020-04-04 15:40
#64
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United Kingdom TwitchChat 
? Reply needs to have actual content. That happened ages ago. And it probably will never happen again. What's your point? Let's take the Happy deagle ace. DEAGLE SHOULD BE NERFED, HE KILL 5 MEN WHO GO B BUT HE ONLY HAEV PISTOL DO BOOM BOOM DUPREEH SWEAT BULLET :OOOO
2020-04-04 16:46
#8
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Finland Karppanator 
and it hasn't happened again.
2020-04-04 14:34
its not op but easiest gun
2020-04-04 14:33
#10
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Other khorkalba 
1. The AWP being balanced within the economy doesn't mean that it belongs in a skill-based FPS. You can add COD-style airstrikes too and make them economically balanced. They still require zero skill and allow noobs to get more kills than they deserve. 2. You don't need a high level of accuracy to use the AWP. You're literally aiming at zoomed in torsos on small maps with lots of narrow choke points like banana on Inferno. Clicking on tiny heads takes far more mechanical precision. Casual noobs like you just don't want your crutch weapon taken away because you'll immediately drop 3-4 ranks in MM. Harcore FPS players want the AWP gone so that CS becomes harder and more skill based.
2020-04-04 14:36
"Harcore FPS players want the AWP gone so that CS becomes harder and more skill based" i have never ever seen any pro wanting awp out...
2020-04-04 14:38
#14
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Other khorkalba 
I have. Even in the early days of 1.6 it was seen as a bit of a noob gun. Even s1mple called it the easiest weapon in the game and implied that he's only using it to maximize his chances of winning. He would prefer to be rifling.
2020-04-04 14:41
"I have" show me 1, just 1 post like that. im like 100% sure that you wont "Even s1mple called it the easiest weapon in the game" he said that its the easiest weapon. not that he would remove it from counter strike. 2 completely difrerent things
2020-04-04 14:42
#22
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Other khorkalba 
I don't keep a folder of forum posts from 2003, or timestamp video interviews where players moan about the AWP, and if you search for this stuff it just brings up comments about the pre-nerfed AWP in CS:GO. I do however see that someone has edited the CS wiki page to delete the segment on how poorly the AWP was received when it was first introduced to Counter-Strike.
2020-04-04 14:55
so those posts about awp removing from pros are here since early 1.6 days but you cant show me single example? seems legit. exactly as i thought...
2020-04-04 14:57
#24
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Other khorkalba 
As I said, I don't keep records of this stuff, and if you search for it on google you just get a bunch of quotes from pros crying about the 2014 AWP. Most of the quotes i'm thinking of are found in 1hr+ video interviews that most likely aren't even timestamped even if I could find them.
2020-04-04 14:59
"and if you search for it on google you just get a bunch of quotes from pros crying about the 2014 AWP." if its so easy then find me 1...just 1 post from any pro who would want to remove awp. i can also bring some statement out of my ass without any proof for it and jsut say: google it
2020-04-04 15:01
#27
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Other khorkalba 
I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying it's hard, because all of the quotes I remember are buried in videos without timestamps, or are forum posts on sites that are long since dead. Please learn to read.
2020-04-04 15:04
"if you search for it on google you just get a bunch of quotes" cant find one... source: thrust me bro. this is pointless. you arent able to provide single proof for your completely ridiculous statement so i wont waste more my time here. keep claiming lies to prove your "point". bye
2020-04-04 15:07
i want
2020-04-04 14:41
just become an awper and stop bitchin'
2020-04-04 14:39
#18
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Other khorkalba 
Been there, done that, got to Global. The problem is it doesn't feel like i've earned the increase in performances. I'd much rather be bottom of the scoreboard in a hardcore FPS game where headshots are always required than be top of the scoreboard AWPing and feeling like the weapon is doing most of the work for me.
2020-04-04 14:42
then play headshot only servers
2020-04-04 15:11
2020-04-04 23:15
#28
HEN1 | 
Finland dvlx 
cs without awp lmao git gud kid
2020-04-04 15:05
#29
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Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
How is the AWP a noob weapon? Like, go make a new account, look at all the silvers play the AWP... Noone can hit a single shot. The AWP requires pinpoint accuracy.
2020-04-04 15:05
#32
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Other khorkalba 
Pinpoint accuracy = hitting a tiny head in the distance. The AWP makes aim duels easier by giving you not just a zoomed in target but also enough damage that headshot precision is no longer required.
2020-04-04 15:08
#33
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Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
Who the fuck aims for a head when AWPing? Bro get your nova ass out of here.
2020-04-04 15:08
never go full retard
2020-04-04 15:12
Are you bordering illiteracy? Don't let that skill atrophy.
2020-04-05 08:22
#31
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Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
I dont AWP, but i also don't want it to be taken away. Makes the comp scene more interesting to watch.
2020-04-04 15:07
#36
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Other khorkalba 
The fact that the most memorable AWP moments in pro CS are complete RNG tells you everything you need to know about the weapon. You can even try recreating Coldzera's Mirage jumpshot or s1mple's Cache noscope offline against bots. It's complete random luck where the bullet goes - not skill at all.
2020-04-04 15:09
just because a lot of noobs get excited by dumb RNG plays doesnt mean that those are the most memorable moments, personally i dont get excited about it at all.
2020-04-04 15:15
#43
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Other khorkalba 
RNG or no RNG, I honestly cant remember a single AWP play that made me gasp and think "holy shit that was amazing". Maybe the shox play on the old version of Inferno did initially, but that was before I started playing that same spot with a MAG-7 and realised that doing it with the MAG-7 is actually harder and takes more skill, because you need to aim at heads instead of torsos.
2020-04-04 15:17
idk if you want a nice example of good awp play you should watch a couple demos between 2 games who are good on overpass, and pay attention to awp positioning and how they evade flashes, which boosts they use in which rounds, a lot of it comes down to position and mind games, its not about the crazy flicks. if you do everything right you dont have to flick.
2020-04-04 15:19
#45
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Other khorkalba 
I've watched dev1ce AWP on Overpass countless times, and he's a player who's known for his good positioning rather than his crazy flicks. It's still not that impressive to me. The way he moves around the map to be unpredictable seems more like textbook CS that anyone above Legendary Eagle should know rather than super high level play. He also has a LOT of support from his teammates who stop him from getting rushed down. When I think of dev1ce as a great player, I actually think back to the days before he was a dedicated AWPer. His most memorable plays were actually with ordinary rifles and pistols.
2020-04-04 15:25
well yes once you get to this high level then the awp is always trying to switch up his position so he can get a chance for an early pick and is trying to outstrat the enemy team to be at the bombsite that gets pushed more than 50% of the time before they show up. if device is doing seemingly random things on the front line that get him picks without getting killed, and its always coordinated so his team can support him, and he's on the right side of the map most of the time, then you are watching astralis outplay the enemy team on 3 fronts without even firing any shots. this means they are so well rehearsed on the map that they can execute a large number of setups with the awp in different positions and the support in different positions so everyone has to know all the flashes and smokes and be able to change position to accomodate the awp running around, not just every round but multiple times per round, with varying numbers of players being alive. theres a lot of variables there, that have to be accounted for so that the awp player can run around and focus on hitting his shots without worrying about getting prefired on the same position every round, or flanked or rushed down. at this level it also becomes a bit harder for the awp because he will be in different positions all the time, so you need better preaim and map knowledge than if you just go to the same spot every round and preaim the same angle. but mostly it just comes down to consistency and accuracy, the high level awper who misses the least amount of opportunities is the most effective one.
2020-04-04 15:32
#53
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Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
To think of a few "non-RNG" moments with the AWP, well. device ace on Inferno a site oskar 3 man collad on inferno b site these 2 instantly popped into my head.
2020-04-04 15:38
#60
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Cyprus SexeSnek 
If the only way you can use awp is banana inferno I'm sorry but you never actually played awp
2020-04-04 16:26
GOD'S WORDS +1
2020-04-04 22:25
Only noobs with slow as fuck > 200ms reflexes and/or shit flick aim saying the AWP is overpowered, because they need 30 bullets in order to cover there shit first shots/flickshots.
2020-04-04 14:41
#19
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Other khorkalba 
Go away casual. Without the AWP, you'd still be playing COD right now.
2020-04-04 14:43
the reason the game has a sniper like this is so that you have something that can punish people crouch walking around corners really slowly and prefiring angles because you can kill them in 1 hit before they can see you, it forces people to actually strafe around corners. in cod mw2 mw3 you had servers where sniper was not allowed and you would always have everyone crouch walking around the map with the ACR, its fucking stupid
2020-04-04 15:14
#41
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Other khorkalba 
No, the real reason why weapons like the AWP exist is because without it, low skilled players would lose 99 out of 100 aim duels vs skilled players. With it, they only lose about 75 out of 100, so the game instantly has broader appeal.
2020-04-04 15:15
if you reason like this you should want every weapon except the SG removed from the game so the person who can click the head first always wins. news flash: you just turned csgo into cod4 promod. i would be okay with that. i would be better at that game than at the current version of cs. however, as long as the game has piece of shit RNG guns like the AK47 with its magnificent 22m accurate range, the AWP really isnt the biggest example of this skill gap compression youre talking about. inaccuracy RNG is the biggest example of skill gap compression.
2020-04-04 15:17
#48
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Other khorkalba 
No no, the SG also compresses the skill gap just like the AWP. Think of it like this, Low skilled player vs high skilled player in 100 aim duels: AK vs AK, the skilled player wins 99/100 AK vs AWP, the skilled player only wins 75/100 AK vs SG, the skilled player only wins 80/100 AWP vs AWP, the skilled player only wins 85/100 SG vs SG, the skilled player only wins 90/100 AK vs AK is the purest test of skill because it allows the skilled player to truly dominate. Anything else is skill gap compression as it artificially allows the lower skilled player win more aim duels than they deserve to win. I agree about RNG being bad though. This is also a form of skill gap compression and should be removed. All guns should have 100% 1st bullet accuracy at any range.
2020-04-04 15:30
>AK vs AK, the skilled player wins 99/100 outside accurate range, its almost 50/50, you dont need to be good at aiming to point at chest height, press mouse1, then press crouch after 2nd bullet and do the same spray control pattern every time. 2 players with ak facing off on long dust2 and trying to get headshots is the most RNG battle i have ever seen in any FPS game. the best strategy is always to crouch down and spray and pray. if you try tapping or bursting with AK outside of accurate range, all youre doing is firing less bullets that are still inaccurate. its a losing strategy. best % is crouch and spray and hope for RNGSUS to hear your prayers. with SG its 99/100 in favor of the player with better reaction and aim. if you can tap the head first you almost always win. i clearly notice this even in my shit level matchmaking games. i notice it when i watch pro games. i will probably also notice it if i watch your demos. unless you only play with ppl who spray with SG on long range fights like valve bots.
2020-04-04 15:39
#55
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Other khorkalba 
Ideally, the AK would have no RNG at all, but even with the RNG I would still bet on the skilled player to get a second or even a third tap to the head off before the low skilled player can even find their crosshair placement. The SG on the other hand may have less RNG, but it also gives the lower skilled player a much bigger target to aim at. Not only is it easier to move the big red dot onto a target, it's also a bit easier for them to estimate the correct place to aim before the enemy even appears in their scope.
2020-04-04 15:40
just having lower fov doesnt make the game any easier or harder, it only means you need a bigger screen with higher res / sit closer to the screen to see enemies properly. the only thing 106 fov does for counter strike is make it more pay2win, if you buy better hardware like a pc that can run the game properly and a 24" or bigger screen then you get a huge advantage in long range fights over ppl playing with low res and shitty fps on 15" laptop screens, even if you play on 1024*768 yourself. fov doesnt change your sens or how far you have to move your mouse to aim, it only changes how large enemies appear at certain range and how much of the map you can see. imo its purely a preference thing. it also doesnt make pre aiming much easier, you can line up shots perfectly on low texture settings without scope too, if you just memorize the position and which pixel to preaim at. its just remembering lineups >even with the RNG I would still bet on the skilled player to get a second or even a third tap to the head off before the low skilled player can even find their crosshair placement. yes but even with 3 taps outside accurate range youre not guaranteed a kill. its outside accurate range so you are gambling. its random. anyway youre not supposed to tap calmly with AK outside of accurate range in CSGO, that gets you less win % than just spraying as many bullets as you can in the general direction of their head. tapping doesnt pay off as often as it should. you should be able to reliably one tap people on mid range with rifles. but currently its only viable as a way to show off when youre smurfing. if you want the highest win% you spray and crouch down and only let go of the mouse button after someone is dead or goes behind cover.
2020-04-04 16:27
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Reunion 1iquser 
i have a skin with cats and dogs for the awp i think that its op for that sole reason
2020-04-04 14:49
#67
kennyS | 
Croatia buzeG2 
i have the orange white awp
2020-04-04 21:16
#75
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
au kakav si ti baustelac
2020-04-04 22:22
#81
kennyS | 
Croatia buzeG2 
ajmo rec da se kupam u parama
2020-04-05 00:06
+1
2020-04-04 15:25
it's not OP at all. Ofc you can use it to your advantage but only if you know how to handle it well. But there are so many ways to counter it. And btw it's the best counter against a Krieg as well. The Krieg is the only OP gun right now.
2020-04-04 15:27
Tru
2020-04-04 15:37
awp is op because anyone can play it with decent reflex, u dont need to know spray pattern, don't need to hs, just get that 5k cash and hold angles, it's super easy to play around grenades when u play passive
2020-04-04 15:38
#61
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Cyprus SexeSnek 
passive awp is virgin awp and not how you topfrag
2020-04-04 16:28
ever played faceit pugs?
2020-04-04 16:31
#65
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Cyprus SexeSnek 
yeah what about them
2020-04-04 21:11
ur elo?
2020-04-04 21:22
#70
kennyS | 
Croatia buzeG2 
4k
2020-04-04 21:24
Kreig>awp............awp nowhere near op
2020-04-04 15:54
The only crying about AWP are these , who can't play with it ;). Crymode is especially visible on deathmatches , where u warm up and dominating guys .Suddenly , ouf of nowhere , they start to cry , but when u do it with ak as well , they disconnect or start to insult u.
2020-04-04 16:33
#66
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Cyprus SexeSnek 
Why tf would you cry about awp in a deathmatch. The awp has to watch 20 different angles
2020-04-04 21:12
#71
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Finland Miroyev 
cause when the awp is watching angle you are coming from you don't stand a chance so it feels hard to play against even when it's not most of the time
2020-04-04 21:25
#74
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Cyprus SexeSnek 
Yeah but you dont usually warm up by holding angles with awp
2020-04-04 21:42
#77
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Finland Miroyev 
what i meant is that if the awp happens to be looking at you he kills you 9 times out of 10 so it feels unfair
2020-04-04 22:31
Bro , u can't even read, so why should i respond ?
2020-04-04 21:39
#73
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Cyprus SexeSnek 
I was agreeing with you though, I wasnt referring to you in my comment
2020-04-04 21:41
#78
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United States Clunkfuddle 
+1
2020-04-04 22:32
#80
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Finland masa033 
I think yes, to be honest I'm not even sure anymore. But maybe it goes like that. But what if not? What are you going to do?
2020-04-04 23:17
For me, deagle is op.
2020-04-05 00:07
AWP is balanced but it's impossible to get people to help counter.
2020-04-05 08:19
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