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Jamppi to sue valve
Finland _EdGAR_ 
Jamppi has sued valve for his ban. Apparently valve hasn't state in their terms of service that a ban could prevent playing in the majors. I'm so hyped. If he wins, he is gonna be so wanted for top tier teams
2020-03-31 11:06
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Noone has ever won a case aganist the valve. Jamppi should slowly move to valorant.
2020-03-31 11:10
Rubbish, Australian Competition and Consumer Commission won against Valve and so have UFC Que Choisir based in France, they've also lost multiple cases where their practices have had to change, so no, you're just wrong!
2020-03-31 11:32
oBo | 
Israel Mainstro 
u made me laugh xd true tho
2020-03-31 11:35
Finland _EdGAR_ 
You know, there is a first time to everything, even winning a case against valve
2020-03-31 12:12
There isn't for Jampii. Valve don't even need to argue the ban, they can just say making more than one account or selling one is against their Terms of Service and then Jampii has no case.
2020-03-31 13:29
Finland _EdGAR_ 
But nothing in those terms of service say that they could also ban him from playing in a major for making another account or selling
2020-03-31 13:57
Finland Barista 
Exactly. Given Jamppi has done something wrong does not result to Valve having the right to do whatever they want.
2020-03-31 14:02
No. They can ban him from the game entirely. If anything he should count himself lucky
2020-03-31 17:34
there isnt a state at terms of policy where they say they can give u a ban for selling an account
2020-03-31 17:54
Austria SplasJ 
they dont need to. its their tournament if they dont want you to participate they can tell you to fuck off
2020-03-31 19:20
i sue them bcs of discrimination
2020-03-31 19:21
Austria SplasJ 
have fun wasting money on that
2020-03-31 19:21
i have
2020-03-31 20:10
Austria SplasJ 
then all good money is never wasted if used for something that is fun
2020-03-31 20:17
so why u want me to have fun while wasting my money if that cant be true
2020-03-31 20:52
I'm pretty sure that they have the right to ban you whenever they want for whatever they want
2020-04-01 14:43
2020-04-01 17:17
Afraid not You should be glad mr OG flair, you got a better AWPer instead
2020-04-01 19:08
because he is fake flagging uk doesnt mean he is better than jamppi
2020-04-01 19:14
2020-04-01 19:27
No, but he's still better The fact that he has a REAL UK flag is just an added bonus
2020-04-02 01:03
Major is organized by Valve, why would not Valve have the rights to ban anyone. Is like I got a house, I can ban anyone entering it
2020-04-01 19:11
+1 Valve could ban everybody who has more than 1 account which is like 90% of users, obviously they won't do it because it would hurt them economically. Jampii is on the lost position
2020-03-31 13:57
If they ban Jamppi for having more than 1 account they will have to ban everyone that gets proven they have more than 1 account, so they won't be able to use that reason.
2020-03-31 19:21
I thought they are not banning him for having multiples account but selling his own account?
2020-04-01 19:13
how hard is JAMPPI to spell? fucking retard dog
2020-03-31 15:20
Sorry but I really don't care
2020-03-31 17:05
Estonia UNBAN_Sam2k 
reported for calling some1 a dog. I called someone a dog and got banned, so i don't feel like you should be able to get away with it, sry not sry.
2020-03-31 17:08
Finn calling someone dog? 0/8. Nt tho, muslim.
2020-03-31 17:11
:D:D: what
2020-03-31 17:13
Finland Karppanator 
That's high-quality bait Very nice
2020-03-31 17:14
2020-03-31 19:16
swedistan calling someone muslim? XDXDXDQXDXDXDXDXD
2020-04-01 11:29
2020-04-01 19:41
Their terms of service doesnt mean jackshit if its against the law.
2020-03-31 19:20
What laws do Valve break by banning people who violate their terms of service?
2020-03-31 19:43
It could be considered to be against the Customer Protection Act (38/1978) or deemed "unreasonable" according to Contracts Act (228/1929) in Jamppi's case especially since he agreed to ToS while being very young and it is often considered unreasonable for such a young person to be able to understand possible long term ramifications of their actions, not to even mention that they are also claiming that he has never cheated himself and instead sold the account/game to his friend (which has been ruled to be within the rights of a customer in EU level in a separate case, although Valve has appealed that case afaik). Jamppi's lawyers are also claiming that Valve's decision is prohibiting his "right to pursue a profession", which is a fundamental right. Its a bit of a long shot in my educated opinion, however this is a unique case in Finnish jurisprudence thus it cannot be ruled out that the line of argument could prove to be successful. I've read the entire case submitted by Jamppi's lawyers and while I do not think that the case is necessarily very strong, its always hard to estimate how the courts will consider these matters. It is certainly interesting and I'm intrigued to follow it through and see how it turns out. In any case it is not as simple as "he agreed to ToS". ToS is never above the law and if its deemed to be contradictory to his rights as provided by the aforementioned acts, it will be overturned by the courts.
2020-04-01 11:17
You really think that TOS will just mean nothing if the person is young? How the fuck can any company enforce any rules on anything if someone just breaks those rules and says "it's ok, I'm just a kid"? Besides, for him to legally play that game his parents must've bought for him, and they'd be accepting the terms of service on his behalf. That game reselling thing has only come up recently, and I'm pretty sure it was only in a French court. It wouldn't apply to a case 6 years ago in Finland. They're not denying his right to pursue a profession, they're denying his right to pursue one profession when he could do anything else. Is every employer who doesn't offer a job applicant an interview based on their application violating this right? No, because they accept the applications of qualified people. Jamppi is not qualified because his metaphorical CV has a VAC ban on it. Jamppi has nothing.
2020-04-01 14:40
I was mostly stating what Jamppi's lawyers had argued in the case file, whether it will go through in the eyes of the court is hard to say. I dont think he has a strong case either but it doesn't lack merit altogether so there is hope for him. One tip for you before I move further. You are obviously not a lawyer so why would you be making such claims as "it wouldnt apply" or what is the nature of the right to pursue a profession? You simply don't know and you are not qualified to consider that matter as you are unfamiliar with both the Finnish legislation as well as applicable EU legislation. "Is every employer who doesn't offer a job applicant an interview based on their application violating this right?" What kind of an example is that? It has nothing to do with this matter at all. Once again shows your lack of knowledge and understanding of the situation. Look, I'm not saying that he will succeed. I think its pretty unlikely that he will win entirely. Jamppi's father also stated that they sued Valve to open up the lines of communication, i.e. force Valve to discuss these matters which they were unwilling to do previously. Nonetheless its an interesting case and a first of its kind in Finland at least.
2020-04-01 16:09
I thought that it was common sense that the law shouldn't be applied retrospectively? The example I gave is just as ridiculous as the idea that Valve are violating Jamppi's human rights. That's the point. The two are still related. As a different example, in traditional sports athletes can be banned for things doping. Do those governing bodies break human rights laws doing so? Those athletes disobey the rules so they get punished. Jamppi disobeyed the rules so he gets punished. It's called consequences of your actions. I'm not trying to pretend to be a lawyer. It's just logical.
2020-04-01 16:39
Legally speaking its not as black and white, for example the decision of the court of justice of Europe is a decision on the interpretation of a given law. If the EU court decides that EU law is interpret in a certain way, it will apply retrospectively as the decision signifies that the EU courts ruling was how that specific law should've been applied from the get go. Anyways, the case file did indeed mention doping as an example to show how Valves punishment is unreasonable, since even in cases where doping is used in professional sports, the penalty is never lifelong ban from the professional sport from 1st infraction. But yeah, we will see what happens.
2020-04-01 16:48
Norway AleXeiCS 
Can you link the documents from the lawyer?
2020-04-02 15:47
Europe JuliusCaesar 
You must be one of those people who have 0 knowledge about anything but You will talk about it like You're an expert.
2020-03-31 13:42
Denmark Xipingu 
None? LOL. Corona must have gotten to your brain. But, alas, I don't think he has a case here either.
2020-03-31 14:22
he is also asking 268,092€ compensation because he didnt get the og deal and he has invited aleksib and dota pro Ceb to witness it
2020-03-31 17:18
volvo will just say no and the case is closed.
2020-03-31 11:12
s0m | 
United Kingdom LFX 
That's what suing is for, you cant just say no to a lawsuit that's not how it works
2020-03-31 13:30
2020-03-31 13:29
u won lawsuit, lfx needs to pay u now)
2020-03-31 17:33
quick lawsuit indeed, no need to go to court
2020-03-31 17:56
World Beard43 
Very efficient process indeed.
2020-03-31 19:19
they can invite or ban whoever they want to THEIR event... xD people are stupid. Valve will say: no
2020-03-31 19:21
2020-03-31 19:53
no. did i won?
2020-04-01 17:59
Finland Barista 
Yes. This is confirmed information and reported in Finnish media.
2020-03-31 11:13
if thats true then kqly and others will play too))))
2020-03-31 11:13
Albania HLTV_God 
No, you still has to qualify
2020-03-31 11:24
KQLY was banned while he was an active professional player. There's a difference here. If we were to draw comparisons between different sports like skiing for example, then should doping give you a permanent ban never allowing you to participate in the sport? What if it is accidental doping or you didn't know what you were doing? KQLY ban was entirely justified & he even admitted that it was justified.
2020-03-31 12:03
how do you accidentally dope
2020-03-31 13:14
the more pressing question is rather where is the soap
2020-03-31 13:17
Negligence. Doctor gives you something that is considered illegal by whoever is holding the competition. I mean if we believe the Norwegians that Therese Johaug for example.. is absolutely innocent of what she did, then of course it could be absolutely possible to "dope" accidentally. Jamppis case is not equivalent, though. If we believe Jamppi and he just gave away an account to a friend, then it's a whole different ballpark. Yes, according to Valve policy accounts aren't allowed to be given away or so on, but everyone knows that consumer rights in a digital marketplace are very shallow and outdated, because policy makers or rather politicians have a poor understanding of whats going on. If you gave away a pen to a friend and he wrote a death threat with that pen, then.. should you carry responsibility for that?
2020-03-31 13:29
Xyp9x | 
Turkey drizit 
there is no accidental dope in sports. if you are professional, it is your responsibility to be aware of what is in what you're having. check maria sharapova's case. she said she didn't know and it was medical purposed, still got her 2 year banned.
2020-03-31 13:46
I understand what you're saying, but it is still possible to be exposed to a doping substance without actually knowing it. Like I said.. negligence. If your doctor gives you something and you kind of let it pass, because this guy has been taking care of your health who knows how long you tend to trust the guy. However.. I see you're referencing someone from Russia, a country with a state organized doping machine, so well.. That's kind of different.
2020-03-31 17:12
It's also a 2 year ban, sports rarely have permanent bans, only esports.
2020-03-31 18:02
Xyp9x | 
Turkey drizit 
i agree with that, perma ban is stupid.
2020-04-01 12:06
lmao "but I didn't know" good luck with that phrase in COURT.
2020-03-31 15:07
There has been recorded cases of athletes getting doping substances without knowing it, usually orchestrated by the management staff and team doctors. However, in 99/100 cases they're usually in on it.
2020-03-31 15:13
what is the whole deal with his ban actually? How did he get banned?
2020-03-31 11:14
RpK | 
France pol44r 
sold account to cheater when 13
2020-03-31 11:15
he was playing MM and some german started spinhacking (classic things) Jamppi was young and got mad at him, so he toggled too, and then both got VAC sad story mens but happens everyday ps. im not racist
2020-03-31 11:17
i am | 
Yugoslavia bleaq 
cause we all have cheats just "standing by" when we're playing
2020-03-31 11:53
2020-03-31 13:24
u dont?
2020-03-31 17:57
huNter- | 
Korea Jew2K 
thats what the tactical timeouts are for in MM
2020-03-31 20:15
I tought those were for having a full minute of swearing at your teammates for how bad they are.
2020-04-01 11:23
Toxic | 
Europe sam2gay 
""ps. im not racist,"" he just dont like jermans
2020-03-31 12:35
an account that he used to own has a VAC ban but he said that he sold that account to a friend who got it vacced
2020-03-31 11:15
oBo | 
Israel Mainstro 
how the hell someone found out about this anyway? creepy
2020-03-31 11:36
i have no idea and it is creepy af
2020-03-31 11:37
because story is bullshit and it's just jamppis old account/smurf
2020-03-31 13:18
Portugal Blastieee 
He bought an account to play on a lan with a friend, then he sold the account and later that same account got banned and linked to Jamppi
2020-03-31 11:16
he sold a steam account with css that had NO ban or anything like that and later on that account got vac banned most likley on css so yeah thats the deal jampii did break valves TOS by selling a steam acc although it is not proven that he cheated and most likley didnt
2020-03-31 11:21
Same old news or did I miss something new?
2020-03-31 11:15
Nothing he is just IE user
2020-03-31 11:16
2020-03-31 11:16
Finland Barista 
Joo, missasit. Yes, you did. I would predict the Finnish court takes this as a case of 1) right to work and/or 2) right to compete as an athlete. Hard to see how Valve could win this case as the imposed ban is ludicrous especially given that French court has already stated the right to sell your Steam-account. There is no way a permanent ban would be legally tolerable in a case like this.
2020-03-31 14:14
The 1 thing I'm not certain about is if the Finnish court would take what the French court into consideration. But aside from that JAMPPI should have a favorable case
2020-04-01 11:26
Finland Barista 
The French court decided on the matter based on EU law.
2020-04-01 12:51
Thanks for clearing that up
2020-04-01 13:23
he has multiple lawyers now)))) that is what u missed
2020-03-31 17:57
Very nice!
2020-03-31 18:13
and aleksib and ceb as witnesses men very cool))))
2020-03-31 18:20
source? :D
2020-03-31 18:43
men)))) u need to start to read some news
2020-03-31 18:46
sorry mens(( I had exams and I didn't have time to read Evening-Shit tabloid
2020-03-31 19:12
lol reading to exams kekw what a nob
2020-03-31 19:17
I had exams
2020-03-31 19:23
lol doing exams kekw fuckin lukio
2020-03-31 20:10
nice amis retard
2020-04-01 11:34
lol ez amis kaksoistutkinto no fuckin psychology or some shit
2020-04-01 17:17
He won't win. It's valve's games on valve's platform. I'm not sure what the laws in other countries are but in the US when you buy a game you don't even own it. You are basically just leasing the right to play it. He has no chance at winning, and he doesn't deserve to.
2020-03-31 11:15
i heard some brazilian guy won a lawsuit vs riot games because there are no lifetime sentences in brazil and he was banned for toxic behaviour forever
2020-03-31 11:16
Yeah I have no clue how it works in other countries. He doesn't have a lifetime ban from playing also. He is only banned from valve's events.
2020-03-31 11:18
yeah and it was never stated in ToS that he could never play on majors and he never got told by anybody that he cannot play on majors when he was young
2020-03-31 11:52
+1 Exactly. Nowhere was he ever promised that it was his right to play in valves events. It's their majors they can allow or disallow anyone that they want.
2020-03-31 19:14
than u can sue them for discrimination
2020-03-31 19:19
They are not discriminating against him? Discrimination implies that they are treating him in a way that they do not treat other people. Anyone with a vac banned account is disallowed from valve events. There is no discrimination. It just doesn't work like that.
2020-04-01 17:41
u said they can disallow anyone they want
2020-04-01 17:48
Yes they can. Csgo is valve's property. Majors are Valve's events. From what I was told in a previous comment even if you live in the EU you agree to only lease the game when you pay for it. So you are only paying valve to be able to play their game. If you break their rules it is fully within their rights to take it away.
2020-04-01 17:50
but u said they can disallow anyone, so if they dont allow me to play in majors without right reason i can sue them for discrimination
2020-04-01 18:06
That doesn't even make sense. If you either get a vac ban or Valve bans you personally for something like match fixing no you can't play in majors. They didn't single out Jamppi. He got himself banned and when you are banned you cannot play.
2020-04-01 18:09
i dont think u rly are from murica cuz or than u r fuckin retard. findout what anyone means. it means u, me and ur fuckin grandmother. they cant ban ur grandmother without right reason. so ur ANYONE isnt right here. they can only ban people playing from majors whom they have a right reason to.
2020-04-01 18:11
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and when you revert to personal insults you show it. Csgo belongs to valve. They can ban anyone they want. Anyone. You do not own the game. You lease the right to play it. You very clearly have no idea what you are talking about and I am going to ignore you and your childish insults now.
2020-04-01 18:12
Sounds legit to me. If he want to win in this case, prove that the account is not belong to him? because he sold that account to someone else?
2020-04-01 19:22
yeah and i mean that is just unfair so i think jamppi has the right to sue them
2020-04-01 07:19
Something being unfair does not equal winnable lawsuit. I understand that he is using this as a way to create a discourse with Valve, but I think that it is going to end up as a giant failure.
2020-04-01 17:42
never said its winnable just saying why he is suing them
2020-04-01 17:43
Oh in that case yes it's definitely his right to sue. I was just saying that it's a giant waste of time and will most likely accomplish nothing. But I also understand that there is a small chance that Valve will work with him. Even if it is a tiny chance.
2020-04-01 17:45
I also misread your first comment. It isn't his right to play in a major. If he was worried about going pro he should've looked into it before he cheated or sold his account to a cheater. A 13 year old is smart enough to know that not only is cheating wrong, but that it can also have ramifications.
2020-04-01 17:47
if this is true, fuck its cool tho
2020-03-31 17:58
Jamppis goal is not to take this to the court, his goal is to get valves attention to answer and talk to him about the situation.
2020-03-31 11:17
Junior | 
United States FiNa 
Suing a company just to receive closure seems like to much effort mate don't you think?
2020-03-31 11:27
It is a shit option but it is the only option left unfortunately.
2020-03-31 11:33
no? I don't understand why the other banned players didn't do this earlier. The current valve policy obviously sucks, no other sports have it like that compared to how much expected career earnings Jamppi loses bc of Valve's decision, it's worth it if you can just afford it. idk if Jamppi is paying for this himself or if he found a sponsor
2020-03-31 11:36
Junior | 
United States FiNa 
Ever crossed your mind how costly it could take to sue someone? Let alone an established company. Other sports has governing bodies to determine the terms and regulations for said sport and valve is that exact thing for csgo, their policy doesn't suck, their transparency does.
2020-03-31 11:44
Of course it is costly to sue, but if you're not fakeflagging, then you should understand that judicial proceedings & costs are very different in other countries. Not all countries have kangaroo courts like the United States has where court cases can last for years simply because the other side can throw money down a well.
2020-03-31 12:06
Junior | 
United States FiNa 
Damn, what's with the salt you jack. I just questioned this "I don't understand why the other banned players didn't do this earlier".
2020-03-31 12:32
Well, the gist of what I was saying is that U.S. companies don't have the legal capability to abuse the system in Europe like they would in the United States. It's not about the salt. It's just that Americans have this strange way of looking at things only from their perspective, which more often than not.. is lacking in depth.
2020-03-31 13:13
Finland Goble81 
Jamppi commented this case in a Finnish article when interviewed. He told that they have tried to contact Valve numerous times to discuss this issue and explain how the whole thing started using several contact channels. No replies from Valve. Eventually Jamppi contacted CSPPA (CS Player Association) organization if they could help to contact Valve. CSPPA didn't get any response either from Valve because they don't have any kind of "official" communication channel or steering board with Valve to discuss this or any other matters concerning players (not all issues are VAC related). Then they decided that if nothing else helps then maybe they can discuss in a court hearing, but they really don't want to go to court. They just want discuss with Valve and get their official explanation and explain their own point of view. The point is that Valve is like a black box for players. Okey, they dont have time to discuss with random matchmaking kids, but PRO organizations and CSPPA organization and their members should have some kind of discussion board with Valve. Imagine if NHL player's association, football player's association or Formula1 driver's association would not have any kind of formal discussion channel with league or team owners (Valve is kind of league owner). At some point CSGO PRO organizations, players and CSPPA need some formal structure with Valve.
2020-03-31 11:42
Toxic | 
Europe sam2gay 
well said +1
2020-03-31 12:39
United States ShawnM 
his career so far has gotten fucked because of valve's ruling, he didnt get signed by OG because of the major ban, he got kicked from SJ or some finnish team because of the ban, all he can do rn is stream which he does but he cant get on a team i think suing will at least get valve's attention and unban him from majors due to this
2020-03-31 18:24
I thought he left SJ by himself? is not like SJ got the chance to play in Valve event
2020-04-01 19:26
United States ShawnM 
i think they kicked him right before the minor online qualifiers just so they could compete i mean imagine if jamppi was in KOVA or whatever that finnish team's name was that made it to closed qualifier, they couldve maybe even gotten to the minor if they had him
2020-04-01 19:27
I mean if he is that good, why he never qualify to bigger tournaments like ECS,Flashpoint, ESEA? He only got the chance to play at some betting website's tournament and rarely win any of them also.
2020-04-01 19:39
this is the correct answer, taking it to court is the ultimate option. looks like valve doesn't even look into it at all so jamppi can't even try to clear his name it should be a 4 year ban from ALL relevant tournaments if it's your first time. A stupid 14yo could serve it and still have a career. if you do it when you're 20yo, it will be worse, but at that age you should already know better. 2nd time = cya in 10
2020-03-31 11:31
2020-03-31 11:34
Thinking about actual physical sports where doping is prevalent, well.. even there they don't have such extreme penalties that prevent them from ever participating in the sports again.
2020-03-31 12:11
maybe it's because doping doesnt make u autowin like aimbot ))
2020-03-31 13:22
nono its not like he cheated in a pro game, that would be like getting doping banned when you're having fun at home and then never be allowed to compete again.
2020-03-31 13:58
even worse. some pro athlete doping doesnt ruin the sport for average joe but this jamppi ruined some1s mm game.
2020-03-31 14:25
nt bait
2020-03-31 14:27
it's funny coz it's tru
2020-03-31 14:31
cant really compare the ultimate effect of doping and cheating
2020-03-31 13:28
Well, no.. the point wasn't to make a comparison of the results. The point was to make a comparison between different sports & the punishments for cheating. I remember being a dumb shit when I was younger. I got my first account banned on CS:S, because I was a massive douchy edgelord like most 12-15 year old people are. I didn't hide the cheats though I just went blatant spinbotting on DM & other community servers. I think that at this point, if for some reason I wanted to start playing professionally, could actually compete at a serious level (doubt it very much) and then was cockblocked by Valve, because I had cheated years ago for shits & giggles then that would be very frustrating.
2020-03-31 13:37
1.) Im pretty sure if you are banned in css you can still play in csgo 2.)Think about all the people that had to suffer because you "cheated for shits & giggles" 3.) I was in the same age and didnt do stupid shit like that
2020-03-31 13:40
1) I knew that, but I was just making a comparison. 2) Oh yes, I bet they didn't like that shit. I'm not making any excuses for that nor do I feel bad for things that happened over ten years ago. I just went 100% blatant spinbotting on DM, because I wanted to try out cheats like a lot of people did. 3) Yes, well.. some people are curious and inquisitive by their nature. Can't really blame young people for doing that. (I know I did some stupid shit, actually a lot of it when I was younger.) CS:GO has bred a new generation of cheater which didn't really exist before. Guys that hide their cheats really well and actually practice making their cheating not obvious. It wasn't so prevalent in the previous iterations of this game. Now these people are everywhere.
2020-03-31 17:20
Except that he is allowed to compete. Just not in valves events. He isn't banned from cs. He is banned from valve's events. He will not win.
2020-03-31 19:18
Maybe or maybe not. We're not talking about the U.S. courts, though. That's the big difference. In the U.S. legal system he wouldn't have a chance, but since we aren't, then yes, he might have a chance to get this black mark off. That is if he can prove without a doubt that it indeed was his friend who cheated. I don't know about you, but I've had plenty of friends play on my accounts and have been lucky that no one cheated on them. I guess I am a good judge of character.
2020-04-01 06:43
It's a bit of a grey area in the EU. Technically you should own the product you pay for here, but if you agree to certain ToS terms the companies can lease you products in the manner you just described. And since most game purchases involve a ToS specifically for that if you buy a digital copy, and no one reads it, most people are leasing their games without knowing it.
2020-03-31 15:18
if this sue is going to take place at finland he will win it 200% have u ever heard about our laws in finland <rape someone =get some fines if u are first timer if not maybe 1 year probation and fines <do a economy crime = first timer gets probation and lot of fines, not first timer u go jail so court challenges like this are most likely to win because the judge thinks more about the money loss than a fuckin vac ban :DDD
2020-03-31 17:25
so rich people get to rape a girl once in their lifetime and get away easily?
2020-04-01 19:29
yes u dont even have to be rich to do that the fines are like 500€ --> 5000€
2020-04-02 10:45
Finland Barista 
Bear in mind that your sense of justice derives from a country that uses a death penalty, has a legal system based on private jails, has non-existent consumer protection, has non-existent privacy protection, etc. US is not a Western country but a case of its own. Whereas in EU, there is such thing as the legally protected right to work and to compete as an athlete. Because Valve has propagated its game to be used as a platform in professional sports, it cannot use arbitrary methods to govern usage of the game. The Finnish court will most likely take this as a case of right to work and compete as a professional athlete, which cannot be restricted by arbitrary punishments by Valve. The argument that Valve's terms say this or that, is not relevant, because the terms need to be in compliance with law and if they are not, as they clearly are not, they are waved aside by the court.
2020-04-02 14:15
Ukraine RK20 
No luck guy. Good talent
2020-03-31 11:17
xartE | 
Finland STINDE 
gl cheating scum
2020-03-31 11:46
frozen | 
Czech Republic Cuki_ 
2020-03-31 11:48
As i said in another thread - german players tried to sue ESL for bans multiple times - none won his case. I'm not very optimistic for Jamppi :/
2020-03-31 11:56
who sued for what?
2020-03-31 17:58
JERMAN? They will not win because S1mple don't like them
2020-04-01 19:30
Finland I_never_bait 
First of all, you are pretty late. Second of all, it's not true that jamppi sues valve. it was just dekay's article where his "sources" told him that its happening. jamppi said in his stream that he is not going to sue anyone, and if nothing else works that is the last option.
2020-03-31 12:04
jamppi did say that he sues valve to get in contact with them, going to court is the ultimate option
2020-03-31 12:17
who cares he is trash anyways
2020-03-31 12:07
once a cheater, always a cheater. never let him into majors! in fact it's a scandal that this cheater is playing in FPL. why the hell was a self-admitted cheater allowed in?
2020-03-31 12:24
You jealous or baiting?
2020-03-31 13:29
name doesnt check out
2020-03-31 14:37
nt 0/8
2020-03-31 14:48
xaxa its too late for that jarppi
2020-03-31 15:01
jarppi is one of the guys from dudesons
2020-03-31 18:00
forsaken should also sue them, their terms of service doesn't say that you can't use Word
2020-03-31 13:23
yea, nowhere is told that word.exe and word.log are cheats
2020-03-31 18:00
United Kingdom whatacliche 
Cry is free
2020-03-31 13:28
China CantBanMe 
2020-03-31 13:33
i hope valve will face a long time in jail after all is done. lock it up!
2020-03-31 13:36
2020-03-31 13:40
stupid child he won't win, it'll get proven that he cheated and then he'll have to pay court + legal fees
2020-03-31 14:00
Finland siloquez 
Would love to see Valve give a FUCK about it :D. If this went through then every possible player could cheat and try some story and then sue Valve LMAO. And besides that I think suing some 99999billion corporation independently is dead from the start.
2020-03-31 14:31
2020-03-31 14:35
Finland siloquez 
Best of luck to him, but he just can't win anyway. If I understood all those posts etc, he had an account bought by him, which he gave to someone (it's not allowed?) who cheated, or he cheated himself. So he is fucked anyway. He just can't win and Valve most likely out of spite will make it costly as hell for him. And I think this is exactly the situation as dreamer had (if I'm not mistaken) and he didn't get his overruled. It's just what it is. But if his mate cheated, and he is genuinely trying to just get to play, I understand his frustration...
2020-03-31 19:42
if a french guy won valve bcs he wanted that steam games should be able to sell after purchase
2020-03-31 20:12
ScreaM | 
India nAgent 
It's gonna be fun seeing Valve countersuing that kid. That's a fucking 3billion dollar company. They have attorneys waiting for this to happen so they can have a fucking job.
2020-03-31 17:11
Yes valve only says youre not allowed to play competitively with a ban they never said you couldnt compete with one, jampi galaxy brain
2020-03-31 17:14
idiot kid, he isnt even 18 is he? cheats in their videogame= gets banned now sues them for banning him for a legitemate reason. Plus your against valve, you cant win. god jamppi ur so dumb wtf
2020-03-31 17:15
Thailand beam2546 
2020-03-31 17:21
use your brain what makes you think jamppi has any solid ground for his argument?
2020-03-31 17:22
Thailand beam2546 
If for some reason, court decided that user can sell their account. He have big chance to win. Assuming that what he said is true (sell account to cheater). That mean his account isn't belong to him anymore during ban. Anyway this is just my assuming, Jamppi didn't even sue valve yet.
2020-03-31 17:25
"You may not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise transfer your Account, nor may you sell, charge others for the right to use, or transfer any Subscriptions other than if and as expressly permitted by this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use)." there goes that argument, anything else
2020-03-31 17:28
Thailand beam2546 
"If for some reason, court decided that user can sell their account" Also there is ton of way that Jamppi can use as arguement. Since TOS didn't ever mention that vac ban=major ban. Anyway even though Jamppi actually decide to seriously sue valve. He need to get very good lawyer since valve will clearly prepare good lawyer with extremely high adventage due to being big company too. It's not impossible but it's gonna be extremely miracle if Jamppi able to win this case.
2020-03-31 17:35
For some reason yeah that makes sense
2020-03-31 17:50
u know that jamppi just sued valve to get their attention for his case? going to court is just last thing to do
2020-03-31 18:02
Valve wont care
2020-03-31 18:02
actually if u r sued u have to react somehow, atleast go to court
2020-03-31 18:02
which makes no difference, jamppi cant win. He will lose the case and that's the end of story.
2020-03-31 18:03
i actually bet that valve will react before the court cuz this is becoming even bigger case now
2020-03-31 18:04
VAC Ban is not = major ban? I am quite sure that a VAC ban account can't qualify in open qualifier or some shit. so there might be black & White for this
2020-04-01 19:33
United Kingdom AlywOw 
That’s Valve policy it has nothing to do with state law. For instance there’s a law in European union that you can return product purchased online within 14 days of delivery with an exception where the nature of products doesn’t allow it for instance underwear or if you damaged the product they can refuse to process the refund. Valve is based in Luxembourg if I am not mistaken so they are obligated to follow the European law and even if they would be registered only in the US they are offering their website in other languages, therefore, they’re aiming for this specific country market and all of the sudden they have to follow the country law. If you play a game for 100 hours and say it doesn’t suit you, you may still return it regardless of Valve policy. Just an example.
2020-03-31 18:29
Finland siloquez 
Well that's end of the story then for that chapter if those are correct Steam rules :D. So it doesn't matter if he sold the acc and someone cheated with it, in Valve's eyes it's 100% his account.
2020-03-31 19:44
Just because he's allowed to sell his account under EU law doesn't mean it doesn't violate Valve's internal criteria for not allowing him to play in majors. Being able to play in a company's private video game tournament isn't a protected right.
2020-03-31 17:33
Austria Aimy 
let this idiots think that jamppi can win against valve bro.. every dream will stay as a dream
2020-03-31 17:30
Wish him the best of luck!
2020-03-31 19:22
Austria SplasJ 
good way to waste money lmao
2020-03-31 19:22
Future is already fucked if he can't go pro, money is just numbers.. he can do whatever he wants.. and when we talk about numbers, Jamppi sued Valve for lost professional contract and he is seeking +268 092 EUR for damages too
2020-03-31 19:37
Austria SplasJ 
He won't get shit though other than having to pay for the lawsuit
2020-03-31 20:00
Finland 7ones 
That is a problem indeed, as in the states the one who is right doesn't necessarily win as in this paradise-like place called Finland.
2020-03-31 20:19
Austria SplasJ 
nearly always the one with more money wins
2020-03-31 20:20
That works everywhere in the world
2020-04-01 19:35
flusha | 
Bulgaria WEEDY1 
fuck this cheater go play valorant bitch
2020-03-31 20:12
United States OKOptimistic 
The boomers at Valve don't give a fuck about this kid even if he has the backing of some Finnish court lmao
2020-03-31 20:14
"if he wins" do you realize that a nonamer has to go against valves lawyers right ?? Its like me trying to sue Hyundai , yea good luck with that
2020-03-31 20:14
Finland 7ones 
No one cares if some1 has cheated many years ago. Atm he is paying way too big of a price as he loves cs more than anything. And that is how it is going to end, justice will happen.
2020-03-31 20:16
Finland Goofyraider 
2020-04-01 11:41
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
as if a 14 year old pro player is legit .. what a joke
2020-04-01 07:23
1. If Jamppi gets his ban lifted. 2. Goes to majors. 3. Doesn't win. 4. Sue Volvo for not winning. 5. Wins major.
2020-04-01 07:28
Finland Goofyraider 
Jamppi is the best.
2020-04-01 11:26
He will lose. The account he uses, while we all think it is his, it is Valve's account when we are going deep into legal matters, I am 99.9% sure about this. They can essentially ban whomever they want to, for whatever reason they like....and a court will never rule against it. Same applies for the account you use on HLTV. It is not your account.
2020-04-01 11:39
Finland 7ones 
You have to think about the bigger picture, not just some game rules that nobody reads. If the guy is 14 y/o and cheated in some casual games, being banned for lifetime is way too big of a price. The actions you make at the age of 14 shouldn't affect the rest of your life. You have to take into account how important that game is for him atm. And he also didn't really get any real benefit compared to physical sports where those illegal methods really enhance performance.
2020-04-02 14:29
I am talking legal matters, not game rules. The account you use to play various games, is the property of the people owning those games. You merely have the rights to use that account.
2020-04-02 15:33
To clarify, I am not trying to vent my own opinion, I am trying to inform you how legal matters work.
2020-04-02 15:34
To even compete with Valve in court, he's going to have to bankrupt his whole family, and the next 5 generations.
2020-04-01 11:42
if he wins that changes everything, the ibp scandal, the dota bans and others too its gonna be fun
2020-04-01 11:42
I don't think valve will not allow this to happen. and I don't think he is gonna win
2020-04-01 19:37
He simply cant win, I explained why in other parts of this thread. Basically, the account banned is not his property, and that's where it ends.
2020-04-02 15:35
jamppi said on his stream that he doesnt want to sue them he just wants valve to listen on his side of the banned account story
2020-04-01 13:53
Turkey Nice_Turk 
Ready 4 FaZe to destroy him?
2020-04-01 17:46
Finland Smoonah 
should make a second lawsuit just for making a shit game
2020-04-02 01:05
Finland 7ones 
They will settle. Jamppi doesn't get the 270k$ they were asking for but he gets couple of lunch vouchers and right to play in the tournaments. At least some justice will happen.
2020-04-02 14:20
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