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RTX 2060s or 2070
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United Kingdom whatacliche 
RTX 2060 S + good CPU OR RTX 2070 + cheaper CPU To my understanding 2070 is only slightly better than 2060S. If I get 2070, there's going to be some bottlenecking, but if I get that 2060S and expensive CPU, bottleneck calc shows 0.52%.
2020-04-07 22:50
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#1
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United States ottovonlousie 
Rx 5700 xt. Same price as 2060 super with performance of 2070 super
2020-04-07 22:51
#2
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United States t0rr0r 
and have some fun driver issues
2020-04-07 22:52
At least AMD makes your GPU better every driver update instead of worse unlike nvidia
2020-04-07 23:00
I used ATi/AMD videocards for fucking years for the "good value" reasons, and their drivers are absolute garbage. NVidia doesn't obsolete their products, and their driver support is actually respectable.
2020-04-08 00:33
#46
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North America 007DBR9 
nah amd/ati cards are great, the only one that I broke was broken because it was old a cheap and we tried flashing the wrong bios, sadly nothing interesting happened
2020-04-08 17:27
Dude, I've had AMD cards that were hard configured (so you couldn't bios flash) with improper voltages, which caused all kinds of retarded issues. Their drivers have always, ALWAYS, been garbage. I've owned a fucking lot of them, and the 1070 I have now has never shown a single issue that I've had with AMD cards over a 10 year period.
2020-04-09 05:30
I remember the fail they made with the GTX 970 cards with the 4Gb VRAM where 3.5 are fast and 0.5 are slow and when your card uses more than 3.5 it slowed down a lot. They "fixed" it by restricting it to the 3.5Gb quick VRAM. Was still a pretty good graphic card tbh. I upgraded now to an RX 5700 XT and I have to say that their drivers improved a lot! Like really a lot, way better than a few years ago. Since they fixed the black screen bug for the 5700 cards I havent had any problems anymore :)
2020-04-10 12:16
Yeah. The 970 was a totally stupid decision on Nvidias part and I don't condone it at all. It's also why I never got a 900 series part. The issue I had shouldn't have even been a problem, there were improper voltage levels that caused the card to blue screen during mundane video watching, yet it was fine in-game. It's a long, old story but it was actually worse than the 3.5 gigs of RAM stuff. Both companies have done some stupid shit, unfortunately. I have heard AMD drivers have improved a lot, which is literally the one reason I haven't used their parts the past 5 or so years.
2020-04-10 22:24
+ fucking 1
2020-04-10 05:57
#13
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United States ottovonlousie 
#12
2020-04-07 23:00
AMD fixed most of their driver issues in like February.
2020-04-08 19:15
#6
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United Kingdom whatacliche 
I heard some of AMDs stuff is having a lot of issues. But I'll consider your suggestion.
2020-04-07 22:57
#10
CeRq | 
Portugal portugaI 
amd drivers suck
2020-04-07 22:59
#14
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United States ottovonlousie 
#12
2020-04-07 23:00
#19
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United Kingdom whatacliche 
RX 5700 XT & ryzen 5 3600? This setup might actually save me some money.
2020-04-07 23:04
Best price-performance combo
2020-04-07 23:23
#27
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United Kingdom whatacliche 
r7 3700x?
2020-04-07 23:39
#37
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
for a budget set up the 3700x is not worth it. if you really want 8 cores, u can go with the 2700x
2020-04-08 16:55
Nope. 3600 should be faster than 2700x in pretty much all games and even in Photoshop etc.
2020-04-08 17:57
#71
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
but if you need the extra threads, at a budget the 2700x is a better option than the 3700x
2020-04-08 20:58
You look at the performance, not threads. 1950x is slower than 3900X. Extra threads are only useful if the threads are as fast or at least very close.
2020-04-09 18:26
#78
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
yes, but you arent understanding. if you are doing tasks that are multithreaded, and need to do many of these tasks at once, you need a higher thread count
2020-04-09 21:42
Nope. If that was true, 1950X would not be a lot slower than 3900x.
2020-04-10 12:04
#107
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
I am not talking about the per core performance, I'm simply saying that if you need more threads for the workload that you do, the 2700x is a better option than the 3700x, at a budget. Clearly, any Ryzen 3000 series CPU will have better per core performance than a Ryzen 2000 series, but there are benefits to having more cores + threads that extended beyond single core performance. Yes, the 3600 will game better than a 2700x, no doubt about that. BUT if you need the extra cores and threads for workload related tasks, then the 2700x is the best option in the same price range as the 3600.
2020-04-10 16:02
Yes on some rare cases 2700x is a bit faster. 2700x is also way more power hungry so it needs a more expensive motherboard.
2020-04-10 16:29
#116
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
I mean yes, but I wouldn't recommend putting a 3600 on an motherboard that also wouldn't fully support a 2700x. Any mobo over $100 should be fine to support the 2700x. The 2700x also comes with a better stock cooler.
2020-04-10 16:36
2700x is still horrible on perf per watt. It consumes about the same power as 3900x.
2020-04-10 16:41
#118
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
Yes, but like I said, if you need 16 threads on a budget, the 2700x is a great option
2020-04-10 16:42
#33
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United States ottovonlousie 
Yes great combo.
2020-04-08 16:33
#35
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United States ottovonlousie 
2020-04-08 16:35
#48
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North America 007DBR9 
amd card is a maybe but 100% yes to the r 5 I've heard that the amd cards are just a bit gimmicky and sometimes the drivers are horrible, sometimes they're buttery smooth
2020-04-08 17:30
Well the problem is that you cant trust idiots from internet. AMD drivers are bad and nvidia great because only of users 20% have horrible problems :D Surveys are for trolling retards mostly and Id trust the reviewers to show problems if there are any.
2020-04-08 18:01
#66
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North America 007DBR9 
20% having horrible problems sounds terrible this looks oddly like a copy pasta too
2020-04-08 18:33
drivers are aids with amd
2020-04-07 22:59
#12
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United States ottovonlousie 
They fixed it
2020-04-07 23:00
#16
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United States t0rr0r 
checking reddit amd 1month ago no
2020-04-07 23:03
lol my mate cant even play cs with a 5700 xt without it crashing nearly every if not every game...
2020-04-07 23:03
#34
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United States ottovonlousie 
I had a rx 5700xt and switched to 2070 super. They came out with new drivers and I just recently switched back to save some money. Has been great.
2020-04-08 16:35
#49
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North America 007DBR9 
he needs to update drivers then, they fixed it
2020-04-08 17:30
#3
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Germany RIGID 
rtx 2080 S
2020-04-07 22:53
basically same cards. go for the 2060S
2020-04-07 22:54
#8
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Netherlands Imrivendill 
+1
2020-04-07 22:57
#5
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Brazil sujeski 
GTS 250
2020-04-07 22:56
gt 210
2020-04-10 16:09
#7
ScreaM | 
India nAgent 
2060S and good CPU. having a good CPU has many benefits.
2020-04-07 22:57
2070+cheaper cpu bcs there is no difference in games between 3600 and 3700x, for example, with 2070 on max settings
2020-04-07 23:04
theres basically no difference between 2060S and 2070. the upgraded cpu might actually bring him something
2020-04-07 23:08
depends imo, which cpus are you looking to get
2020-04-07 23:04
#20
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Finland 0lter 
From buying 1070 and 6400 instead of 1060 and a better cpu i can say go for better cpu. Buying new GPU doesnt mean you have to buy new mobo. When buying new CPU it usually means you need to buy new mobo as well and then you might in future have to buy new ram also And most games are CPU dependant maybe 10% of games are GPU but even they are tied to CPU
2020-04-07 23:06
#26
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Finland 7ones 
That CPU and GPU dependant thing is bullshit. It might be more towards CPU but GPU is still the main thing running the shit. I would definitely go for GPU as you want to play right now, not in the future.
2020-04-07 23:27
#28
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Finland 0lter 
hahahah you are an idiot
2020-04-08 00:25
#22
ropz | 
Croatia KrenZZie 
If you want better FPS in CS:GO, get a 2060 and a better CPU, if you want better fps in triple A games then get a 2070 with a cheaper CPU.
2020-04-07 23:11
RTX 2070 + cheaper CPU that is, if the cheaper cpu is a ryzen 5 3600
2020-04-07 23:14
#24
ropz | 
Croatia KrenZZie 
Depends on the games he plays, if he plays CS:GO mainly then he's gonna get more FPS with a better CPU quz CS:GO can't nearly fully utilize either of those GPUs, if he plays mainly other games then yea a 3600 and a 2060 is a great combo
2020-04-07 23:16
#56
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Netherlands staticNL 
Do you reckon this might change with source2 krenz?
2020-04-08 17:50
#57
ropz | 
Croatia KrenZZie 
True that could change with source2 because it's gonna be able to utilize a lot more GPU power, tho can't rly say I'm not ValvE or anything, js from what I know right now.
2020-04-08 17:50
#58
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Netherlands staticNL 
OP should at least take the possiblity in consideration.
2020-04-08 17:51
#59
ropz | 
Croatia KrenZZie 
I'd just wait with PC upgrades rn quz they're expensive quz of corona and new gen components are on their way + DDR5 this year + source 2, so in conclusion not a good time to upgrade imo
2020-04-08 17:52
#60
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Netherlands staticNL 
Agreed.
2020-04-08 17:52
or a 9600kf
2020-04-10 12:18
#29
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United States fowlyz 
Go with amd. They have better cpus and gpus than any other company rn and they are cheaper.
2020-04-08 00:28
#30
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United Kingdom whatacliche 
Looking at RX 5700 XT, but I'm hearing that people are having issues with it.
2020-04-08 00:29
#31
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United States fowlyz 
Not with the gpu itself but with the amd driver. There have been lots of issues with AMD drivers but they recently released a new update and it fixed a lot of previous issues.
2020-04-08 00:31
drivers are shit If I knew that I'll have so many problems I wouldn't buy AMD imo stability>performance so buy 2060S and that's it
2020-04-08 18:03
#89
RpK | 
France Choubada 
Just take 2019 drivers = no issue
2020-04-10 12:09
#36
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Syria SyrianViking 
DO NOT BUY RX 5700 XT. I repeat. DO. NOT. I mean if you want driver issues, and broken heatsink from factory go ahead.
2020-04-08 16:37
#39
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
i have the gigabyte windforce 5700xt and have had zero problems, you just got unlucky man
2020-04-08 16:59
#44
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Syria SyrianViking 
Are you happy with the card? Did you change any settings in the driver ?
2020-04-08 17:26
#47
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
no nothing too intense. i manually turned on some gimmicky features but nothing serious. I haven't had any crashes, and the card stays really quiet. It gets decently hot when playing current gen games, like Modern Warfare (around 74-76 C)
2020-04-08 17:28
#50
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Syria SyrianViking 
My CSGO is very blurry and if I put the option "sharpen games feature" in the amd it just look awful. Any quick tip for that ? My res 4:3 1280x1024
2020-04-08 17:35
#51
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
i havent tried that setting, but without any tinkering my game looks really sharp on 1024x768 stretched i genuinely think you just got unlucky with your card
2020-04-08 17:37
#52
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Poland rude_wredne 
Have you tried upping anti aliasing?
2020-04-08 17:41
#62
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Syria SyrianViking 
Its on 8x.
2020-04-08 17:58
#67
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Poland rude_wredne 
Hmm, i played years ago on this res and i remember it was a little blurry. Maybe its just how the game looks on this res
2020-04-08 19:14
#69
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Syria SyrianViking 
No, I had to uninstall driver and do a fresh install. Which deleted my configuration. So much trouble with that card.
2020-04-08 19:16
#70
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Poland rude_wredne 
Ah, well then AMD issue.
2020-04-08 19:19
How do you expect it to not be blurry when you are playing on a shit resolution?
2020-04-10 12:07
Honestly no point in getting RTX 2070 when the 5700XT is availabale for the price of a 2060. Driver updates have come out, so it's not as bad as it was I think For CPU, R5 3600 is price to performace king
2020-04-08 16:58
#40
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
well, technically, the 1600 on the 12nm refresh is the price to performance king, its $85
2020-04-08 17:00
Hmm fair point. 3600 future proofs though imo
2020-04-08 17:25
#45
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
oh yeah definitely, i just felt like being a little pedantic. the 3600 is still what i recommend to any of my friends looking to build a gaming pc on a budget
2020-04-08 17:26
+111
2020-04-08 17:43
#41
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Europe Catatonic 
i have 2060s combined with i5 9400 f, easy 80 fps on ultra settings with anything i played with. AC:Odysses, GTA V, Witcher 3, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, AION, Black Deser Online, Civilization 6. im at 260-300 fps cs go when its on high hd. but i play stretched and 300-350 average fps. depending on map and resolution it can go to 500+ or 200 (cache lol) youtube.com/watch?v=G2M1XP2ILZA my cpu is great for price and performance wise. its just on the edge of not bottlenecking the gpu, and its a great cpu considering its price.
2020-04-08 17:09
Stop playing on empty maps lmao. I have a I7 9700k and I get 300-350 fps in game. Sometimes on spots like Inferno B site on a retake it goes to 240-250 fps and this is on low settings 1600/900 res. In some spots I can hit 400 fps. Sure on empty map Dust I can walk around with 500 fps easy, and 700 if I look at wall. No way the 9400F hits 500 on any map 5 v 5.
2020-04-10 10:32
#123
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Europe Catatonic 
not playing on empty maps lol. least i get was from a 128 tick 16v16 dm with 180-240 fps. i play on 1280x960. it goes to 180-200 on 1920x1080. idk whats causing your problem but these are what i get lol. i get 300 stable fps on 1600x900
2020-04-11 00:11
go for 2060s + good cpu 2060s and 2070 are almost same 2070 maybe 1-4% better? what cpu u will go for?
2020-04-08 17:12
#53
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Poland rude_wredne 
1080ti?
2020-04-08 17:42
#55
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Ukraine zSnake 
2060s. Also if you plan to play new games cards with Ray Tracing is a must.
2020-04-08 17:46
2060s is not enough for ray tracing I heard, its too weak, so he will get shit fps.
2020-04-10 12:42
#95
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Ukraine zSnake 
2070 & 2060s are almost identical. Plus Nvidia will further optimize it.
2020-04-10 12:56
Maybe, but I would save a bit more money for stronger gpu though.
2020-04-10 12:58
#97
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Ukraine zSnake 
The guy asked which of these two gpus is a better choice. I answered. Ofc you'll get better performance on SLI 2080ti.
2020-04-10 13:05
Yeah, and I said that with 2060s + ray tracing he would play Minecraft with stable fps, any new game with this technology would kill performence
2020-04-10 13:20
bottleneck calc shows 0.52%. XDD the bottleneck calc is biggest shit ever There isn't sth like bottleneck with 2070 or 2060 only bottleneck that can actually have place is 2080ti with shit cpu
2020-04-08 18:05
csgo is CPU intensive so you need a good cpu.
2020-04-09 05:41
2080Ti I have one and it’s damn good
2020-04-09 09:03
#75
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Israel OKOptimistic1 
always go for better cpu
2020-04-09 09:05
#76
fagger | 
Dominican Republic schmoko 
1080 ti
2020-04-09 09:06
rx 5700 + ryzen 3600 gg
2020-04-10 06:01
Everyone fighting here about AMD v Intel/Nvidia smfh. Answer to OP, what do you play? If you play 90% of the time CSGo go for high end CPu and 2060 If you play a lot of other newer games too then go for the 2070 RTX. RTX 2060 + I7 9700k for CSGO and other older games RTX 2070 + i5 9600k for newer games that depend a lot on GPU
2020-04-10 10:24
#102
Jame | 
Italy Laxity 
both make same fps in cs
2020-04-10 13:10
Before buying the I7 9700k I have watched tons of benchmarks in CSGO between these two Cpus. The i7 performance is visibly higher in all benchmarks I have watched on all maps. Where the i7 never really went under 240 fps in MM under any circumstances, the i5 sometimes dropped to 180 in big battles where smokes, shooting and flashes happen simultaneously. The i5 is still a strong CPU, not if you want a 240hz monitor in the future where you want you fps to never drop below 240.
2020-04-10 15:01
#106
Jame | 
Italy Laxity 
i have some friends who play at semi-pro level with 9600k at 5ghz really good cpu always +300fps ofc ram +3200 and at least 2060 super also check this vid youtube.com/watch?v=sUtDu9AtqeI
2020-04-10 15:06
80% of the people do not OC their CPU. That benchmark is misleading and you know it. Stock i7 9700k performs better in CSGO and completely destroys the i5 in other games. I for one do not OC and don’t want to. The i7 was the obvious choice for CS
2020-04-10 19:58
#121
Jame | 
Italy Laxity 
i7 is better only in games like lara... the i5 at 5ghz is rock /closed
2020-04-10 21:48
/open Only a handful of people overclock their CPU's. Most play stock. Either you are some typical dumb Italian or you are trolling here. They can tune an Opel Vectra to have just as much horse power as a Ferrari 430. Does not mean its a better car you braindead lmao. Stock v stock the i7 shits on the i5 you. So before giving bad advice, ask OP first if he intends to overclock. Otherwise shut your Corona ass up
2020-04-11 02:12
#125
Jame | 
Italy Laxity 
if its hard to put 1.35v and 50 50 50 50 50 50 no comment Italian bumb cuz I live in Italy I'm not Italian... -_- if u are bored af but and 3600 -_- youtube.com/watch?v=C4pY-i8HyEI
2020-04-11 10:25
Just wait untill Nvidia launches their new cards in like 1 month
2020-04-10 10:34
#84
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Estonia teremartin 
in august
2020-04-10 10:34
#85
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Russia Eduard1k 
GTX 1060 ))
2020-04-10 10:39
) vokda
2020-04-10 12:05
#90
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Europe letqpena 
I got 2060S (along with R7 3700X) on Wednesday. Didn't want 2060/2070 because they're not that new and didn't get 2070S because its overpriced. 2060S works, haven't noticed any issues yet. But AMD has strong candidates, yes, look into them. Only reason I got Nvidia was because I have a G-Sync monitor.
2020-04-10 12:13
#101
Jame | 
Italy Laxity 
amd cpu are good gpu nahh
2020-04-10 13:10
2060s with good cpu
2020-04-10 12:15
RTX 2070 Super + good cpu
2020-04-10 13:08
#99
Jame | 
Italy Laxity 
Depend if u play csgo go for 2060super if u play more games like cod go for 2070 and cheaper cpu imho 2060super is better
2020-04-10 13:10
#100
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Poland Amirek 
Got 2060s and Ryzen 5 3600 and working perfectly fine for me, everything on low, 4:3 res and 300-400 fps in mm
2020-04-10 13:10
#104
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Germany Agent_D4N1 
I am just in the process of picking parts for a 1000€ gaming build and its gonna look like this (Spanish prices): Let me know what u think CPU: Ryzen 3600 (173€) GPU: Radeon 5700 XT (Powercolor Version, either budget 370€ or red dragon 400€) RAM: 2x8GB 3200Mhz Corsair Vengeance (84€) Motherboard: MSI B450 Mortar Max (90€) PSU: be quiet 600w 80plus Gold semi modular (98€) Storage: 500Gb m2 SSD PNY XLR8 (85€) + 2TB HDD Seagate Barracuda (58€) Case: Undecided, maybe NZXT H510 (80€), Phantek eclipse p300 ir p400 (60-100€)
2020-04-10 13:38
#109
flusha | 
Denmark Mudza 
Soon new intel and geforce will be out, if u are in no hurry, you should wait and see what the specs gonna be on them. Prices will also be lowered on amds
2020-04-10 16:07
#108
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Asia Blitzer 
define good and cheaper CPU pls
2020-04-10 16:05
buy used gtx 1080 on ebay for £260 1080 is around the same performance as the rtx 2070
2020-04-10 16:17
#112
NiKo | 
United Kingdom p0mpouS 
Neither, its likely that the 3000 series will be out within the next 5 months, if you buy anything get a second hand 1080ti.
2020-04-10 16:17
cheaper CPU = AMD?
2020-04-10 16:17
get a 1660ti and i5 9600kf
2020-04-10 16:20
just wait, earn more money and buy rtx 2070 super, best performance and price from any rtx
2020-04-10 16:43
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