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Europe CHRISTMASMAN 
Hey, I dont give a shit if he cheated or not - his VAC ban should be removed just for the incident happening before rainbows had colors. Some guy on reddit posted insanely detailed info about this case. I even know a guy from my high school who stabbed a friend to death in a fight. He stabbed, killed, went to prison, went to school inside prison and came out, served his sentence and received a fat pay check to go on with his life. Jamppi BAN still stands lmaooo. If jamppi gets unbanned, then swag must too. MY QUESTION IS, HOW THE FUCK DID THIS GUY ON REDDIT FIND OUT ALL THIS INFO BELOW?? He claims Jammpi is a NOTORIOUS cheater who cheats and repeats, not only cheating once in a while for fun. --- birkir Score hidden · 1 hour ago · edited 47 minutes ago I went and did some digging, and this is one of those players that just... cheats and repeats. He's banned on (at least) three separate accounts: Topspy15 :) faceit Topspy15 :) steam Topspy15 :) steamid.uk zjamppih steam zjammpih faceit zjamppih steamid.uk sehä steam sehä faceit sehä steamid.uk Topspy15 :) timeline: 2005-04-29: Steam Account created 2010-05-18: Changes name to topsu 2010-09-20: Changes name to Masa 2014-05-26: Changes name to Jappinen64 2015-03-05: Changes name to teleköne 2015-03-16: Changes name to zjampih 2015-05-31: Faceit Account created 2015-10-26: Plays first FACEIT game, with Jamppi himself. 2015-11-17: Plays last FACEIT game, also with Jamppi. 2015-11-19: VAC banned 2015-11-30: Changes name to kikkelii :D S:FDSdfdagsg 2016-01-04: Changes name to zjampih 2016-04-21: Changes name to topspy15 2016-12-27 at 7:31pm: Changes name to Why u mad? 2016-12-27 at 7:31pm: Changes name to Why u mad bro? 2016-12-27 at 7:31pm: Changes name to Topspy15 #holidays 2016-12-27 at 7:31pm: Changes name to Stfu m8 2016-12-27 at 7:32pm: Changes name to Nabi s1mple 2016-12-27 at 7:44pm: Changes name to Navi s1mple 2016-12-27 at 7:45pm: Changes name to Astralis Dev1ce 2016-12-27 at 7:45pm: Changes name to Nufnufjiglypiglypuf 2016-12-27 at 7:45pm: Changes name to Topspy15 :) zjamppih timeline: 2015-11-18: Steam account created 2015-11-18: Faceit account created 2015-11-19: Played their first and only game on Faceit. (Link) 2015-11-20: VAC banned. 2016-08-11 at 1:20pm: Changes name to cyka 2016-08-11 at 1:20pm: Changes name to blyat 2016-08-11 at 1:20pm: Changes name to cyka blyat 2016-08-11 at 1:20pm: Changes name to get_rekt 2016-08-11 at 1:20pm: Changes name to get_rekt m8 2016-08-11 at 1:30pm: Changes name to why u bad 2016-08-11 at 1:30pm: Changes name to mad cus bad ? 2016-08-11 at 1:32pm: Changes name to hacker1337 2016-08-11 at 1:32pm: Changes name to mad? 2016-08-11 at 1:32pm: Changes name to hahaahha 2016-12-27: Logs in, unknown reason. Probably was going to log onto Topspy15, that is the date he changes his name frantically. sehä levisku lösä suklöaa timeline: 2009-12-24: Steam account created 2015-12-07: Faceit account created. Compare to Jamppi's current profile picture. 2015-12-07+ Plays Faceit mostly every day until his VAC ban. 2016-12-25 at 5:02pm: Changes name to Bot Jong 2016-12-25 at 5:58pm: Changes name to Bottomfraghero 2 2016-12-27 at 7:38am: Changes name to AWP SITE 2016-12-27 at 7:39am: Changes name to AWP SITE suomi cessii 2016-12-27 at 7:43am: Changes name to NufNufWiglyPiglyPuf 2016-12-29 at 6:03am: Changes name to NufNufWiglyJiglyPuf 2016-12-30 at 2:17pm: Changes name to NufNufWiglyWiglyPuf 2016-12-30 at 2:55pm: Changes name to rhinos undrwatr 2017-01-01 at 8:12am: Changes name to NufNufJiglyWiglyPuf 2017-01-02: VAC banned. 2017-01-06 at 3:53am: Changes name to sehä levisku lösä suklöaa
2020-04-08 15:05
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nice
2020-04-08 15:06
here is the link to all the details man reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/fw..
2020-04-08 15:07
oh fuck, all the text actually had links and stuff. He was allegedly cheating on several accounts over and over. Here is the link to that comment: reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/fw..
2020-04-08 15:07
"he" no not he. someone. "He claims Jammpi is a NOTORIOUS cheater who cheats and repeats, not only cheating once in a while for fun." BULLSHIT. he is rather talking about another person, most likely someone jampi knows. why? because jampi played with this fella, as the logs prove!
2020-04-08 18:36
#72
valde | 
Sweden meistr0 
+1
2020-04-08 18:43
what are you +1'ing for? fucking retard. i see you comment everywhere, and you don't even know what allegedly means but still tries to side with some other retard who is just as stupid as your fucking face. Allegedly is the key word here. Let it marinate in your little brain, swedish cuck fuck
2020-04-09 22:34
#161
valde | 
Sweden meistr0 
Mad?
2020-04-09 22:34
stop showing your lack of intelligence in every post man. just be yourself
2020-04-09 22:54
#213
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United States NA_KEKW 
WE LOVE YOU MEISTR0 MEISTR0 TOP1
2020-04-11 09:03
#167
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
y u mad bro?
2020-04-09 22:42
because they are idiots and claim that I said jamppi did it I literally wrote allegedly to avoid that. somehow these arab swedes can't read basic English and starts accusing me for accusing jamppi Just classic case of retards trying to show their lack of intelligence
2020-04-09 22:54
#185
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Albania sporoloo 
You could have also added question mark in the end of the title since it is the first thing that people notice. It literally says "Jamppi actually quilty", which strongly implies that Jamppi did it.
2020-04-09 23:05
#104
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Israel Sonnabend 
+1
2020-04-08 23:47
what are you +1'ing for? fucking retard. you don't even know what allegedly means but still tries to side with some other retard who is just as stupid as your fucking face. Allegedly is the key word here. Let it marinate in your little brain, German wannabe grammar expert hurensohn piece of shit
2020-04-09 22:34
do you know what allegedly means, fuking asshole wannabe grammar Nazi german piece of shit? if you dont know what allegedly means, please dont speak out. holy fucking shit what a tight ass brain dead adult person who tries to correct others while not being able to comprehend basic words such as 'allegedly' Allegedly, he was the owner of the account ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY
2020-04-09 22:33
#174
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Israel Sonnabend 
mad lol
2020-04-09 22:48
#176
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United States Droidd 
cya in 10
2020-04-09 22:49
this is a fat +1
2020-04-10 21:46
#168
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
+1
2020-04-09 22:42
#169
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Norway narkusan 
+1
2020-04-09 22:43
do you know what allegedly means, horeunge? if you dont know what allegedly means, please dont speak out. holy fucking shit what a tight ass brain dead adult person who tries to correct others while not being able to comprehend basic words such as 'allegedly' Allegedly, he was the owner of the account ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY
2020-04-09 22:55
#182
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Norway narkusan 
Cya in 10
2020-04-09 22:56
#200
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Hong Kong TROIIDA 
watch out he he speaks norweigan now1!!!!!!!11
2020-04-10 10:46
#202
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Norway narkusan 
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣lol
2020-04-10 21:14
#4
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China dorimi 
received a fat pay check RECEIVED FOR WHAT? for killing a person? i dont get it
2020-04-08 15:08
In modern prisons you can work to make some money for when you re-enter society and since you don't have any expenditures, the money racks up
2020-04-08 15:15
My point was that even a nasty killer who literally took another guy's life with a kitchen knife into the breast area, and took away a son, a brother and a friend from "everyone else" Still gets his chance to "resurrect" and live once more, without suffering consequences after he already served his sentence. I agree that free education and paid when he leaves prison is unfair and odd for the taxpayers, but civilized means everything has to be civilized right. Banning jamppi like this and take away his dream and opportunity to become something great is really really hard punishment and extremely strict. I also downloaded fucking ogc and silly cheats in 1.6, and had so much fun shooting ppl through the wall and stuff. Imagine a pro csgo team asked me to join and some fucking rat digged so hard that he found some old ass account connected to me I would be sad for the rest of my life
2020-04-08 17:05
#22
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Finland Faifainei 
It makes economically sense that you get to educate yourself in prison. Lowers the chances of repeating crimes less likely. So basically the chances are you get the investment back.
2020-04-08 17:28
a bullet in the head also lowers the chances of repeating crimes 👌😎
2020-04-08 23:17
>Banning jamppi like this and take away his dream and opportunity to become something great is really really hard punishment and extremely strict. its not, he's just banned from playing 1 video game. he can play any other game he wants or do anything else with his life. >I also downloaded fucking ogc and silly cheats in 1.6 100000000% expected. you are trying to defend some cheating shitkid, and you are a cheater too. you should both be banned for life.
2020-04-08 17:37
lol 0/8
2020-04-08 22:37
found another cheating shitkid. gaben pls ban.
2020-04-09 13:01
ok, i just checked your "biography"... how many times have you been beaten in childhood?
2020-04-09 15:45
0/8
2020-04-09 15:53
he literally had a 400.000 dollar contract in front of him stop talking shit bro, you sound like salty loser with student debt
2020-04-09 22:35
#27
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Norway TrippleS 
Thanks for career opportunity, ill probably be rich and still browse HLTV in a norwegian jail.
2020-04-08 17:39
#79
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Being in jail and being unable to take part in a video game competition are a bit different.
2020-04-08 18:55
if you believe these guys not being able to go pro in cs is worse than being in jail
2020-04-09 13:02
"without suffering consequences" literally impossible to get highly paid job for murderer, because most universities and job places do not take people who have been arrested for driving while drunk or doing drugs.
2020-04-10 21:52
thats what i tried to explain i have a friend from my school who killed another friend of his by "accident" in a fight where he brought a knife to defend himself and he came out better than "most" free education, support to enter a average job and so on while other mediocre average ppl must work their asses off the hard way
2020-04-10 22:18
he is now working as a real estate agent after getting the education from prison thing
2020-04-10 22:18
#5
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Lithuania LonelyMarxist 
gg jamppi cheating bot
2020-04-08 15:09
hahahhaha what a scumbag lies to everyone. wouldn't be surprised if he still cheats
2020-04-08 15:11
this. idk how ppl defend him when he has changed his story like 7 times already, and now also lied about valve not responding him in order to get pity points :DDD
2020-04-08 20:53
proofs?
2020-04-08 22:38
reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/fw.. till now he has been claiming that he doesnt even care about money and only sued valve to get any kind of response
2020-04-08 22:58
This
2020-04-09 22:52
selling account to friend as 14 yo > matchfixing in pro cs
2020-04-08 15:13
#60
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Algeria abdodz45 
Maybe he cheat in account before selling it I don't buy his bs
2020-04-08 18:25
Maybe. Maybe not. It's Valve's word vs Jamppi's word. And I don't believe that Valve bans people from their tournaments just for fun. And obviously cheater will always try to defend himself.
2020-04-09 23:05
+999 Valve arent sentimental cunts like riot who ban people for no reason. They ban for the integrity of the game not because some dev felt butthurt. Cough riot games Cough
2020-04-11 11:00
#9
Jamppi | 
CIS movix 
Murder equals acc selling, everyone agree with u
2020-04-08 15:17
I think the point is that murder is obviously worse than account selling, but the murderer served a finite sentence and came out with some money, whereas Jamppi is banned forever and won't get anything.
2020-04-08 15:23
No you missed the point I don't agree with killers being let off easily either, but that's so fucking serious and extreme compared to a skinny Finnish teenager hacking online Even people who shoot, kidnap, rape and badly injure or scam others get a chance again Somehow jamppi hacking in random fpl with NO MONEY INVOLVED is a greater crime than those I mentioned above
2020-04-08 17:07
#16
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Denmark bebm 
no you missed the logical point spending a finite amount of time in fucking jail is 100000000000000x worse than being banned from valve sponsored majors in a fucking video game shit id rather have a lifetime ban at majors than 1 month in jail, just because the jailtime isn't permanent doesn't mean it isn't worse would u rather lose 1 toenail permanently, or both hands for a year, shit id rather lose 1 toenail permenantly
2020-04-08 17:12
"you missed the logical point" bro, do you even think before writing stupid shit like this? stabbing someone with a knife, taking away a son, friend and a brother from a bunch of people is equivalent to a 12 year old kid cheating in his Finnish tiny little house up north so far away not even Scandinavia wants anything to do with them and with no money involved? Classic danish idiot trying to sound smart but showing how fucking retarded his brain is
2020-04-09 22:38
#186
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Denmark bebm 
no they arent equivilent u dumbass, thats teh point 12 months in jail is 100000x worse than lifetime ban from majors at a video fucking game
2020-04-09 23:09
holy fuck youre slow as a dog man is stabbing and killing someone equivalent to hacking????? how the fuck is the punishment for killing someone a couple of years in prison, education and money when you leave when punishment for hacking as a 12 year old kid in a bedroom on a online shitty non-tournament match is absolute ban and no forgiveness at all stop being stupid bro youre idiotic
2020-04-10 00:06
#194
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Denmark bebm 
ITS NOT THE SAME THATS THE POINT KILLING SOMEONE IS WORSE, SO THE PUNISHMENT OF JAILTIME IS WORSE WORSE CRIME = WORSE PUNISHMENT JUST BECAUSE JAILTIME IS FINITE AND THE MAJOR BAN IS INFINITE DOESNT MEAN THE MAJOR BAN IS WORSE THE MAJOR BAN IS MORE LENIENT JAILTIME IS WORSE WOULD U RATHER HAVE U ARM BURNED FOR 10 HOURS OR HAVE A LIFETIME BAN AT DOTA MAJORS ILL TAKE THE BAN AT DOTA MAJORS, U CAN GET UR ARM BURNED GET A FUCKING BRAIN
2020-04-10 00:24
no one was hurt in jammpiis case it would cost them nothing to just re-consider his case. you cant reconsider a homicide and loss of life fucking idiot, how the fuck do you even think? how can you set a specific price on a life fucking whore son, i hope your mother and father dies and you stand there and talk shit like you do now
2020-04-10 00:58
#197
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Denmark bebm 
why do u keep stating that jamppi wasn't as bad as a murderer I know that lmao but jamppi's punishment isn't as bad as a murderers punishment
2020-04-10 02:11
#198
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
Bro can u read lmao?
2020-04-10 02:12
no, you and that fucking dane acts stupid and ignorant on purpose. Jamppi cheating on faceit match with no money involved as a kid is equivalent to stealing candy for 50 cent in the grocery store
2020-04-10 17:21
#209
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
I dont care what real life crime u think cheating is equivalent to, but the simple fact is murder is worse than cheating And jailtime is worse than major ban So worse crime gets worse punishment
2020-04-11 06:15
its not at all footballers and fighters and athletes who cheat and literally scam hundreds of thousands in prize money from others are being punished less than jamppi so your ignorant broke boy attitude wont take you far. let me guess, your whole salty family is broke and on the verge of going bankrupt all the time? no way youre a stand up dude fucking hater son of a whore.
2020-04-11 10:56
Edit** Not even fpl, just a random faceit where they lost 14-1 or something
2020-04-08 17:13
there is money involved in fpl though. and even if there isnt it still shows hes a shitty kid with 0 respect for competitive integrity of the league he plays in and shouldnt be allowed to play.
2020-04-08 17:38
it wasnt even FPL, it was a random low rank faceit where they lost 14-1 as i stated above
2020-04-09 22:50
If a fucking redditor can find something like this, and it's true, then Valve are going to have a field day dismantling this lawsuit xd Still, those accounts were created when Jamppi was <10 years old, so did he buy them?
2020-04-08 15:22
I don't understand how he could find that info I've seen people dig up amazing shit with others too, like super old account possibly belonging to some pro And that qz in China case as well, similar to jamppi's accusations
2020-04-08 17:09
#54
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Europe Niko0 
It's kinda easy. Lots of information is out there, even though they can not be found on Google. But this information doesn't affect Jamppi's situation in anyway. Valve just doesn't care at all.
2020-04-08 18:21
The whole thing is weird as fuck bro But the weirdest in my opinion is that picture of him in a hockey uniform with a logo And the other account has literally the same uniform and background, but a different kid So anything could be true . I cheer for jamppi no matter if he cheated or not, he doesn't deserve a lifelong
2020-04-08 17:10
#55
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Europe Niko0 
It's just the team where Jamppi played icehockey years ago. Most likely one of his friends from the team.
2020-04-08 18:22
#57
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United States Jack1CS 
Jamppi used to play hockey, so probably just his friends from ice hockey, why is that so weird?
2020-04-08 18:23
that means it is really true, and that friend can be identified and confirm he DID cheat and wash jamppis name away. Or the other scenario being Jamppi using that picture as a decoy without permission to throw people off. Either way, that picutre of that kid on the VAC banned account is noteworthy, no?
2020-04-09 22:39
#183
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United States Jack1CS 
i mean anyone can put that picture on there, whether its jamppi or his friend, but Jamppi played icehockey for a long time so i assume his friend did too, i think Jamppi is telling the truth anyway. No way they would go this far with it if it wasnt true.
2020-04-09 22:59
but if that kid just went out and straight up admitted to being the cheater, there would be nothing valve could say against that that kid is important
2020-04-10 00:06
#18
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United States girls 
2016-12-27 at 7:32pm: Changes name to Nabi s1mple 2016-12-27 at 7:44pm: Changes name to Navi s1mple i lol'd at this typo
2020-04-08 17:14
#24
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Finland 0lter 
And they say this kid use cheats when he cant even hit correct key
2020-04-08 17:33
it even took him 12 minutes to figure out his mistake lul
2020-04-08 20:13
#19
PAGO | 
Poland Kazk 
When he gehts unbanned Then everyone should get
2020-04-08 17:17
#20
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Singapore repu1se 
he didn't say the accounts were jamppi playing. those accounts played WITH jamppi in faceit matches
2020-04-08 17:17
yeah, and that picture of kid in the hockey uniform who is not jamppi. same uniform, same background, different kid, different account
2020-04-09 22:40
#21
OCEAN | 
Reunion 1iquser 
jamppi is a learning case for valve, even tho it sucks that such a talent is banned from majors. my prediction is that from now on valve will treat cases like jamppis with a 2 year ban and a perma for the second offence
2020-04-08 17:21
He might be guilty for cheating, but i still think its unreasonable to ban someones career due to something he did when he was underaged kid. You cant expect 13 years old is responsible for cheating in online game.
2020-04-08 17:31
#28
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Slovakia woster 
Well i don't know about you, but when I was 13 (20 now), I definitely knew about cheating, of course I didn't know about bans at Valve tournaments etc. at that time, but still, you don't download them unintentionally at that age. So he should have been responsible even at that age. He either should stop playing CS at that level if he can't attend valve sponsored tournaments or just try to play a different game at a very high level, since he's still pretty young.
2020-04-08 17:39
I didnt claim he did it unintentionally, or didnt knew what is cheating. What im saying, 13years old is a kid, who cant be juridically responsible and obviously cant understand what sequences his cheating may cause. In every country law as far as i know, under 15 years old are not juridically responsible. And cheating on some casual online game, is definitely not like committing a murder or something.
2020-04-08 17:41
If you play 16+ (or even 18+) game at your 13 y.o. then you automatically accepted the responsibility.
2020-04-09 23:14
So u mean that IF jamppi got vac banned when he was 14 he should have just quit CS? I think that he didn't know about major restricts when he got banned and probably even forgot about those bans. He started playing competitively when he was 16 and is now one of the cs futures. I hope for the best for jamppiiii
2020-04-08 17:50
#92
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Slovakia woster 
I mean rules are set and they have never changed. You have seen how many people were cheering for Brax's unban over these years and they have done nothing. Why would they do anything any differently in Jamppi's case? Just cause he was a kid? He cheated in a game and now he can't attend the biggest tournaments in that GAME. Don't compare it to murder.
2020-04-08 22:28
why not? at 13yo you played enough games with other kids you understand that cheating is bad.
2020-04-08 17:39
Simply becouse 13 year old brain has not developed even close to adults yet. Thats why under 15 year old kids are not responsible for crimes either in most of the countries. That why its crime to have sex with 13 year old, even if he/she agree having it with you. Becouse THEY ARE KIDS and unable to think like adult.
2020-04-08 17:45
they are old enough to push the buttons to play and to download cheat so they are old enough to get banned, i dont see the problem.
2020-04-08 17:52
Old enough to get banned. But not old enough to be responsible on that as adult when trying to have an career. Even 5 year old is old enough to push button, old enough to know something is wrong. They still probably dont understand why something is wrong, or what sequences something might have. I wonder how old are you? becouse i believe you are also underaged and your brain has not developed enough, to understand we cannot except from kids same than from adults.
2020-04-08 17:57
idk im adult now but when i was 13 i knew that it was a dumb idea to play games online with cheats...you dont need to be very smart to figure that out either. its pretty simple. people who do it anyway, im okay with them getting banned at 13yo. better than banning them later.
2020-04-08 17:58
When you was 13 years old, you probably didnt knew cheating or getting banned for it would cause you to lose possibly hundred thousands or even million dollars when you would be adult? Getting banned for cheating is ofcourse good, as it should be. But not banned to have a career as adult, if cheated as kid.
2020-04-08 18:02
if you cheat in a game and get banned you cant go pro in it. thats a logical consequence. i dont see how it is possible to think you can just do something like that which breaks the rules of the game and have no consequence.
2020-04-08 18:04
Im pretty sure you are under 15 years old, or your brain simply have stuck at very premature level. That is perfect example why cant expect kids to be responsible for adult things. I tell you again, EVEN IF YOU ROB A BANK AT 13 YEARS OLD, YOU WONT BE JURIDICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, WONT GET CRIME REGISTER. So why in freaking hell doing such a minor "crime" as cheating in casual online game as 13yo kid should lead to lose your professional career as adult?
2020-04-08 18:08
its not a crime. its not even any criminal law. by playing the game you accept the terms of service. if you break these rules your account can get banned and you cant play anymore. its a completely civil matter.
2020-04-08 18:08
Yeah exactly, its not even a crime. Its just policy violation which is not very serious. That why i mentioned "crime". What we talk about here is that its completely unreasonable to ban people whole professional career, due to some policy violation when he was kid and.Even in general sports, getting busted from doping AS ADULT, AT HIGH COMPETITIVE LEVEL, lead only to permanent ban maximum usually like 2years. Imagine if usain bolt would have used some illegal substance at 13 years old when he was not professional, and then banned for life to compete becouse of that ?
2020-04-08 18:15
i think it is reasonable. even if it isnt, it doesnt matter, because valve can do whatever they want with their game.
2020-04-08 18:15
So in your opinion 13 year old is also old enough to make decision to have sex with 60 year old, and it wont make this 60 year old child abuser?
2020-04-08 18:16
no because sex doesnt have a terms of service you need to agree to and there is a law against sex with minors. there is no law against banning cheating kids from a game. its not comparable.
2020-04-08 18:17
Ok, so in north-korea, there is law that watching foreign TV program lead to death sentence, that makes it justified or right ? If its a rule or law, it doesnt mean it cant be wrong.
2020-04-08 18:19
There is no law against banning kids from the game, and it has nothing to do with this. Still in general, 13 year old kid is juridically not responsible. So valve might actually break laws there.
2020-04-08 18:20
but its not a legal matter, its a private matter between the player and valve, you buy the game, you accept a deal that says they can ban you whenever they want for any reason.
2020-04-08 18:23
Actually everything is legal matter.
2020-04-08 18:24
he accepted the terms of service so there is nothing more to it imo. if you dont want to accept then dont accept them and ask your money back.
2020-04-08 18:25
and anyway why do you care so much that its so unfair for some shitty cheating kid to get banned? why do you feel sorry for him? he cheated.
2020-04-08 18:27
But the thing is he was underaged when he accepted this terms of service, maybe not old enough to be responsible for such a decision. And why i care? well i want justice for everyone. In my opinion its very unreasonable and unfair. It would be different if he cheated on competitive valve event.
2020-04-08 18:41
why would it be any different? cheating in the same game just in a different place.
2020-04-08 18:41
Ofcourse its different, when you play casually than if you play professionally. Honestly if you dont realize the difference, im speechless.
2020-04-08 18:52
its the same game from the same company (valve) so if they can ban you for cheating in a tournament they can ban you for cheating at home or just because they dont like your face.
2020-04-08 18:52
I start to believe you are just a troll, so i leave this conversation.
2020-04-08 18:53
no i am 100% serious
2020-04-08 18:53
#81
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
First of all no they cant. And you haven't read the terms of service, nobody has, so shut the fuck up about it :D Valve is selling this product in Finland so it will be decided under Finnish law if its unreasonable or not, and trust me, Finnish laws are very very much for the protection of the consumer just because of these "they can do what they want with their shit" companies :--) And just out of curiosity, did you even read or went through that "evidence"? It was clear that in all of the games that those accounts were involved, was also jamppis real account.. so was he playing in those faceit games with two computers at the same time or what? The "evidence" here is more in favor of jamppi telling the truth.
2020-04-08 19:15
Majors aren't a product. Tough luck for Jamppi
2020-04-08 19:36
it doesnt matter if you read them or not, you agree to it. someone cheated on his account. it was banned. he didnt appeal the ban. couple years later he has new account. and he gets banned again. i dont see a problem here. its literally irrelevant whether he himself cheated on that account. what is relevant is his account got banned and the ban was not succesfully appealed. this makes it not possible for him to compete in valve events. those are pretty simple rules.
2020-04-08 20:05
#85
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
So you did not read the evidence provided in this thread. The so called jamppi related account is in the same faceit games as jamppis real never banned FPL account, at the same game at the same time. It is related to three other accounts which also are in games with jamppis real never banned account. One of them has a profile picture with same spot same junior hockey jersey as what jamppi has, but different guy. Does it need to be stated any clearer than that what was happening? Terms of service can state what ever they want, they even do state that "you cannot sue valve", which just isn't true as no term of service go beyond the law. Rules can be simple sure, but that doesnt mean that they are not discriminative, which is illegal. Valve is not beyond the EU GDPR law which states that they must release all recorded personal information by consumer request. Simple rules are for simple minded. In Finnish law it is also stated that if any term is considered unreasonable it does not apply and yes Valve as a provider in Finland does need to apply to Finnish law.
2020-04-08 20:25
i dont care if he cheated, or someone cheated on his account, or he played with cheaters. he is banned. terms of service state valve can ban anyone for any reason they want. you can sue them but that doesnt change that you accepted the deal. you would need to have some pretty strange laws to make it possible to find a way around this. in that case maybe it would be best for valve to not let any finnish players compete, because they can just cheat all they want and then have a friend log on to their account and sue valve for a lot of money.
2020-04-08 20:46
#89
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
Facepalm. This issue is clearly beyond your understanding. And no you cannot do what ever you want even if its stated in the terms of service.
2020-04-08 20:57
well you cant do anything illegal but banning a kid from playing isnt illegal
2020-04-08 22:01
#95
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
Well Valve by their own term of service do not ban players, but accounts. Jamppi is allowed to play cs all the time. Vac ban is also by their terms of service only relating to the online games. Denying access to Majors are personal. Valve do not require any identification for creation of accounts, so Valve does not really know for sure who is the owner of a Steam accounts. Jamppi did not buy the games with his own credit card as a minor he did not have one. So how was the identification made between Jamppi the professional player and some vac banned account? Valve's events are public and open to anyone who qualifies, they of course can deny access to players who have been caught cheating, however accounts and players are by Valves definition not the same thing. So it is up to Valve to clear up how the identification of who cheated was made, this is what the lawsuit is about. If they are not able to provide the reason for why single player is denied access, it can be illegal, as they are discriminating against individual and denying him the access to do his profession. And even if I'm talking in terms of Finnish law, most EU countries apply similar laws and EU has its own rulings also, so its not just about "they should stop selling the game in Finland".
2020-04-08 22:38
in my country you dont need to be 18+ to have your own bank account and card to purchase shit online. im pretty sure you can do it in finland as well. and even if he didnt buy it himself and he used his moms credit card, that doesnt change the fact he is banned. valve dont have to provide any data except what they have to give under GDPR. they dont have to share any data about any other accounts, if jamppi doesnt want to prove that those accounts are his. >If they are not able to provide the reason for why single player is denied access, it can be illegal, as they are discriminating against individual and denying him the access to do his profession. no. they are not discriminating against a person on any illegal reason like race, sexual orientation, religion. they are rightfully discriminating against people because they have accounts that have been cheated on. those accounts and the people that own them get banned from competition. its really simple. its not about him personally. its about the facts. there is 0 case here. even if valve cant prove he cheated, he is still banned and will stay banned because its valves private decision. and btw, not being able to play 1 FPS game does not equal not being able to exercise your profession. it only means you cannot exercise your profession in CSGO. he can still play any other game. its more comparable to not being hired by 1 employer. he can just get the same job at another company. your comparison is complete bullshit. companies cant be forced to hire people they dont want, as long as you cant prove they didnt discriminate on race, religion, etc. valve cant be forced to give this kid a job.
2020-04-09 13:10
#112
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
Yes it is possible to have debit cards under aged, but as it is stated in the lawsuit he was using his father credit card. Thus the account should be his fathers and the ban also for his father? Dont you understand that the same logic that you are using to justify the ban is the exact same that can be argued to not justify it? You are actually assuming for no obvious reason that Jamppi as an indivudal has anything to do with the account. Valve has to provide everything under GDPR for any consumer that request the inforamtion. That includes ALL information they have on the individual. "its more comparable to not being hired by 1 employer" - are you fucking insane? Its like having a professional career in soccer and because you as a kid on your backyard didn't count your friends goal while playing for fun, are denied access to join FC Barcelona, and you say that "just go play basketball, both games have ball in it". It is higly unlikely that the lawsuit succeeds, but to state that the case is either simple or that there is no case is just to not understand the situation at all, nor to understand how terms and rules work. But we will never agree as you refuse to even try to understand what the whole case is about, so please do not reply anymore.
2020-04-09 13:31
>Thus the account should be his fathers and the ban also for his father? no, his father oversaw his underaged child and accepted the terms of service for him. then the account gets banned and the kid cant play anymore because an account associated with him has a VAC ban in csgo. again your argument doesnt make sense. >You are actually assuming for no obvious reason that Jamppi as an indivudal has anything to do with the account. he has 2 options: 1. he can prove the account is his, in which case he can get the GDPR data, and his ban will stand because he admitted its his account. 2. he doesnt prove its his account, valve dont have to release any data on this account, and he cant fight his ban in court. > That includes ALL information they have on the individual. exactly, but first he has to prove that information on this banned account is associated to him, thereby admitting its his account. there is no case. > are you fucking insane? Its like having a professional career in soccer and because you as a kid on your backyard didn't count your friends goal while playing for fun, are denied access to join FC Barcelona, no, its like you dont get hired by barcelona but you can still play for any other club in the world. csgo isnt the only shooter in the world. its not even the best paying shooter. he can make a lot more money playing fortnite. its not nearly as bad as you try to make it seem. your comparison doesnt work. >It is higly unlikely that the lawsuit succeeds the only possible outcome where he doesnt get completely rekt and has to pay for all court costs is if valve settles it out of court. >you refuse to even try to understand what the whole case is about you dont know shit about GDPR. i work in IT. i know a little bit about it. nothing you say makes any sense.
2020-04-09 13:37
#117
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
I have written DPA contracts for my customers in my company where we work with personal data, so yea sure I dont know about gdpr. Comparison between fortnite and csgo is exatcly like comparing soccer and basketball, just because you need ball in both doesnt mean that you can "just change sport like changing employer". Its quite frustrating to explain the issue for you multiple times without you understanding the first thing about it. 1. Terms of service do not have anything stating that you will be denied access to majors in the future if you cheat. So he or his father who ever has "accepted the terms" have never accepted that any TOS violation can lead to to denial of professional career in CSGO. 2. Valve has stated in their own event rules that they do not accept players that have been caught cheating. So - it is Valves responsibility to prove that it was the actual person Jamppi, whome they've denied access to their tournaments by their own tos and event rules, is the one who cheated. They do not talk about accounts or owning accounts, its about him actually cheating.
2020-04-09 14:10
changing football to basketball would be like going from FPS to RTS or MOBA games. i have played a lot of fps games, you can just set your sensitivity to the same cm/360 in all of them and then you can aim. its not that different. >. Terms of service do not have anything stating that you will be denied access to majors in the future if you cheat. So he or his father who ever has "accepted the terms" have never accepted that any TOS violation can lead to to denial of professional career in CSGO. irrelevant, valve can state in the contract that you have to sign to play at a major that you vow that you dont have VAC banned accounts, on punishment of perjury.
2020-04-09 14:10
#122
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
"its not that different." :D Ok. You have obviously never played on high level on any game. You can take all csgo professionals and they will never in their life no matter how long they practice win a Quake player in duel. It is unlikely that they would ever get a single frag in a game. That is how different the FPS games can be.
2020-04-09 14:14
yes they would have to put a lot of hours in to get good at quake. doesnt mean they cant play it.
2020-04-09 14:15
#132
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
They can never become pro at it. Just like soccer player can never become pro at basketball. Of course they can play it, even become pretty good. But they can never become pro, because it takes a lot more than just "a bit of practice" to become a professional in any sport or esport.
2020-04-09 14:24
if you are talented enough to go pro in cs, you can go pro in some random kiddie game like overwatch, fortnite, other BR games. they are much easier.
2020-04-09 14:28
#140
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
0/8
2020-04-09 14:29
just because you are dumb and slow and can only learn to play 1 game your whole life doesnt mean that applies to everyone.
2020-04-09 14:30
#145
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
You dont understand the difference between being good and being pro.
2020-04-09 14:34
back in my day there was no difference because there was no money to be made. the only difference between good and pro is how much money you make with it.
2020-04-09 14:43
#144
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
There are maybe 2 pros who have ever become succesfull in 2 different games, there are also maybe few atheletes in the world who have switched between sports. It can be considered as impossible.
2020-04-09 14:34
there are already more than 2 pros who were succesful in cs 1.6 and then in source or csgo so your argument is completely false.
2020-04-09 14:41
why are you even trying to pull stupid shit on me like this? surely by now you cant seriously think its going to work. stop wasting both our time.
2020-04-09 14:42
and actually i used to play cod at a pretty high level about 10 years ago
2020-04-09 14:16
#133
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
Great. You really seem to understand how hard it is to become a professional athlete or esport player..
2020-04-09 14:25
i never really gave a fuck, at 16 years old i already had guys in their 20s accusing me of cheating in every clan match, and i had much better career opportunities. if going pro in video games is your best opportunity, that is actually kind of sad. you could become an engineer. do something useful for humanity.
2020-04-09 14:29
if you look at it like this its actually great for jamppi to get banned because now he wont waste his time playing a video game and can choose a real profession that has some actual use.
2020-04-09 14:44
2. Valve has stated in their own event rules that they do not accept players that have been caught cheating. and these are legal rules.
2020-04-09 14:11
>So - it is Valves responsibility to prove that it was the actual person Jamppi, whome they've denied access to their tournaments by their own tos and event rules, is the one who cheated. no, they can ban whoever they want and they dont have to prove anything to anyone.
2020-04-09 14:11
#125
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
This is the point that people dont understand that its not true. If you have public events you cant just ban people the way you want, you have to follow your own rules and if your rules are full of shit you can be held responsible.
2020-04-09 14:16
the rules literally say valve can ban anyone they want for any reason they can make up at any time after you accept the TOS.
2020-04-09 14:16
#130
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
It says they can ban the account. They do allow you to make a new account and own games and play games thus they are not banning the person behind the account. Like right now they do allow jamppi to actually play csgo all the time dont they?
2020-04-09 14:22
but you never actually read the steam TOS, did you? i suggest yo do it now. then we can end this convo.
2020-04-09 14:17
>have never accepted that any TOS violation can lead to to denial of professional career in CSGO. if i am as a kid arrested for getting into some business computers without doing anything illegal, i will have a youth criminal record. then when i turn 18 my records are sealed and i dont have criminal history. that however doesnt mean that if i now apply for a job at this company, that they are forced to hire me. you act as if being able to play csgo professionally is a human right. its not. its a privilege that can be taken away.
2020-04-09 14:15
#129
kaamos | 
Finland Nedi21 
If you as a minor commit crimes, you do not have criminal record - thus you cannot be disqualified to work on jobs that require clean criminal record. Everybody has their right to practice their profession, and in sports or esports that can surely be taken away, but it needs to fair and equal to everybody, the one denying access to a sport needs to explain the reasons.
2020-04-09 14:20
but the company that i tried to break into as a kid can refuse to hire me, because they remember i did that, and they dont trust me. same as valve not giving the cheating shitkid that you fanboy a job.
2020-04-09 14:25
>Everybody has their right to practice their profession no, you dont. you have a right to housing, to school, there are many human rights, but the right to exercise a profession just because you want to, is not one of them. if exercising your profession was a human right, then it would be impossible to ban people from their profession, for example lawyers who break the rules, or doctors who let too many patients die. it doesnt work like that. it is your privilege to have a profession. not a right.
2020-04-09 14:27
> in general sports, getting busted from doping AS ADULT, AT HIGH COMPETITIVE LEVEL, lead only to permanent ban maximum usually like 2years yeah, this should be changed. doping = life long ban. then it would actually stop.
2020-04-08 18:16
No, cheating in sports will never stop when there is so much money what you can get with cheating. Always someone will try if he can cheat without getting busted.
2020-04-08 18:32
if cheating 1 time means you can never get money from it again then there will be less incentive to do it.
2020-04-08 18:32
Sure, but cheating in sports doesn’t stop even if you get a lifetime ban from it.
2020-04-08 18:42
it would reduce it a lot, many people get tested get banned for a bit and then come back. if they cant come back, there are less cheaters.
2020-04-08 18:49
> Imagine if usain bolt would have used some illegal substance at 13 years old when he was not professional, and then banned for life to compete becouse of that ? you mean exactly like Messi with his growth hormone? yes that would be fair to ban them.
2020-04-08 18:16
#152
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Finland cuntycorn 
that's probably because your brains haven't developed yet
2020-04-09 14:54
nice one
2020-04-09 15:04
his friends accounts, nothing to do with jamppi
2020-04-08 17:39
Yeah, IDK what OP tries, when his own post has this info: Topspy15 :) timeline: 2015-10-26: Plays first FACEIT game, with Jamppi himself. 2015-11-17: Plays last FACEIT game, also with Jamppi. zjamppih timeline: 2016-12-27: Logs in, unknown reason. Probably was going to log onto Topspy15, that is the date he changes his name frantically.
2020-04-08 17:45
you dont know what I try because you dont know fucking anything you fucking idiot whore puta i copy pasted the whole post from someone at reddit my only question was "how did he get access to this information?" holy shit learn to read before i knock your fucking mothers teeth out
2020-04-09 22:48
OK. Feeling angry yet?
2020-04-10 21:41
So he goes and buys accounts that were made, when he was 3 years old and 7 years old? Try again.
2020-04-08 17:39
And these two therefore are not even him, because it is pretty impossible to play with two accounts on faceit on same game at the same time. Topspy15 :) timeline: 2015-10-26: Plays first FACEIT game, with Jamppi himself. 2015-11-17: Plays last FACEIT game, also with Jamppi. zjamppih timeline: 2016-12-27: Logs in, unknown reason. Probably was going to log onto Topspy15, that is the date he changes his name frantically.
2020-04-08 17:45
do u also use same nicknames with ur m8s, clearly he played on the account too, just not during those games.
2020-04-08 20:57
#99
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Sweden Lingon 
Could be a meme in the group or somthing like a team tag idk
2020-04-08 23:15
yeah, no.
2020-04-08 23:45
dude, can you read english? my post is literally a recitation of OP from reddit idiot
2020-04-09 22:47
forget
2020-04-08 17:42
S1mple cheated in actual competitive cs and isn’t banned. Triple standards and complex mental gymnastics used to defend him. Ban S1mple now and forever top 1 cheater still no majors LOL /close
2020-04-08 18:11
prove it
2020-04-08 18:26
Prove anything in the universe you can’t because there’s always proof that it isn’t true lol! reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/71.. Funny the arguments in the thread are -he was 15-16>jamppi was banned at 14 -it was esl not vac>Esl actually better than vac Now try responding with completely unbiased logic as to why S1mple should not be banned and jamppi should. Now realize it is human nature to be a sheep and just blindly listen to the higher authority, if Valvo says u banned, logic no matter u r banned. If esl say u banned, but valve dont u not banned forever even though esl anticheat>>>vac! I am retard with no logic only emotions cuz I am a man with feminine brain
2020-04-08 18:41
#111
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Europe Niko0 
Wow. Actually a hltv user with his own mind and not just chiming in on the idiots here.
2020-04-09 13:07
You are actually retarded if you think ESL AC > VAC. And they work completely differently, so comparison of these two is just stupid.
2020-04-09 23:21
You actually have serious brain damage if you believe that VAC is anything but a piece of hot garbage. ESL AC, Faceit AC, ESEA Ac are all a bazillion times better and more intrusive.
2020-04-11 06:27
#188 learn to read please
2020-04-11 08:58
#61
Frankie | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
2005-04-29: Steam Account created what?? Jamppi is 15 y.o. lol
2020-04-08 18:26
I've got my 2004-2005 account in 2006 or 2007 by exchange of 2 cd-keys for other games. But nowadays you can just buy old account in some online shop.
2020-04-09 23:26
Aaand another BULLSHIT post, totally out of context. false info. actually "birkir" does not claim anything as OP stated here. in fact that dude who digged it all up wrote: "I don't know how much time you spent looking into their matches, but I just spent 6 hours and I didn't reach that conclusion at all. I actually didn't reach any conclusion, other than how it was weird that this game was all their first games. It's like a group of 5 friends all deciding to play together their first match. One of them is a blatant cheater, another one is eventually game banned, the third is not suspicious or interesting, the fourth just seems legit, and the last (Jamppi) becomes insanely dedicated to the game. The story that understand to be Jamppi's side of the story (sold account) seems completely plausible to me. " -birkir TLDR: Jamppi's side of the story (sold account) seems completely plausible to me. " -birkir
2020-04-08 18:31
lmao, are you stupid man? do you have difficulties comprehending basic english because you come from a third world shit country? or a troubled home? i literally just recite what the guy on reddit says. i dont even disagree NOR agree. My only question was how the fuck did the OP on reddit get access to all this info to begin with. Lmao suck my asshole. Ill fuck your mothers face if I can. even with virus
2020-04-09 22:45
You legit said it urself "plays game with jamppi" how can jamppi play with himself, hes having 3 computers and plays with 3 accounts at the same time? Theres a link to faceit lobby, jamppi is there with his current steam account, and hes playing with his friends zhjamppi and the other guy... retard
2020-04-08 18:52
"yourself" im literally reciting what someone posted on Reddit. My only question was "how did this guy get access to all this information?" lmao.. you calling me retard? learn how to read basic english first, bro. you're sad to reply to
2020-04-09 22:45
b b BuTt hE wAs 13 YeaRs oLd wHeN hE cHeAteD Michael Myers was also a kid when he murdered for the first time. Did he stop when he grow up? No, he killed even more. #NeverUnbanCheatersAndMatchfixers
2020-04-08 19:03
#108
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Malaysia Suno[t] 
wtf hahahaha
2020-04-09 13:03
#90
green | 
Finland zntei 
hol the fuck up how did he create a steam account when he was 3 years old
2020-04-08 20:58
#109
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Malaysia Suno[t] 
he had 3000 iq
2020-04-09 13:03
Never seen before baby cheetah with pampers?
2020-04-09 14:57
Nice keep that fucker banned. He can still play cs. Just not valve sponsored events. A 13 year old knows that cheating is wrong, and that it can have repercussions . Fuck him. It seems like he and his friends were cheaters. This is what cheaters deserve.
2020-04-08 23:06
#98
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Sweden Lingon 
Than skadoodle also should have been banned for matchfixing
2020-04-08 23:13
They had no proof that skadoodle was involved as he bet no skins and was not mentioned. Nt though.
2020-04-08 23:39
#105
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Sweden Lingon 
RL himself said the only reson he didn't get banned was becuse the guy that gave out the skins didn't have enough skins for Skadoodle and when he had the skins Skadoodle didn't take them becuse the matchfixing shit got out. But live in your bubbel that Skadoodle didn't throw that match even tho the whole team got banned
2020-04-08 23:59
there was skins bet for tens of thousands dollars worth in that match by the fixers and they had no awp skin to give? lmao
2020-04-09 13:35
#115
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Sweden Lingon 
Nope
2020-04-09 13:43
yez, info was given by betting site, like 20k worth skins bet against ipb from vietnam. rl himself diggin this up and still thinks they had no skins for ska, what an absolute idiot. saltiest guy ever coz evryone else in esports made it and he clearly didnt XD
2020-04-09 13:47
you have no fucking proof, valve didnt either. while jamppi's case is clear.
2020-04-09 14:23
#102
LaimB | 
Lithuania Martis 
Expected
2020-04-08 23:43
he isnt smart he should just make on twitter proffesional valorant player got contract from t1 EZ
2020-04-09 14:14
#138
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Albania HLTV_God 
He first needs to learn how to play overwatch
2020-04-09 14:28
#136
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Finland t0ki 
WHO?
2020-04-09 14:27
#146
Snax | 
Europe Bambi_AT 
and who the hell are you tho?
2020-04-09 14:35
#158
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Finland t0ki 
no, I meant who asked?
2020-04-09 18:30
TRUSTING FUCKING REDDIT POST HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2020-04-09 14:29
except for that is his friend who was hacking ;D
2020-04-09 14:32
2016-12-27 at 7:32pm: Changes name to Nabi s1mple 2016-12-27 at 7:44pm: Changes name to Navi s1mple lol
2020-04-09 14:36
#157
hacker | 
Brazil sAA_ 
Anyone with brains know how friends work. Clearly those accounts belonged to his friends and they cheated. He def also cheated. Then he sold the account or wtv, but I have no doubds that he did Valve says on the email that the acc was on his power when it was banned . With 14yo u know very well what you are doing the games, ans what cheating represents. So fuck him, let him rot and remind him that cry is free Cheaters get f7cked.
2020-04-09 15:57
It's okay that was offline lan party and he was 14. Live a little mens. It's a waste for cs:go scene to cage one of the best awper in the world. But that's Valve decision I respect whatever they decide.
2020-04-09 22:46
What email?
2020-04-09 23:30
Nvm, found it. reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/fw.. Case is closed I guess...
2020-04-09 23:42
#206
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Finland Karppanator 
It's not a new email, it's one of the ones that is used against valve in this situation.
2020-04-10 22:06
So what?
2020-04-11 08:58
Right on. Personally, I would ban players who play with cheaters as well as the cheaters themselves. They are also scum.
2020-04-10 00:26
Who cares bro? Nothing else to do then spying out a nonamer Sherlock? 😊
2020-04-10 02:13
wow the busy German with too much to do!!!! but still have time to comment on this lmaooo go sympathize with nazis or something loser, fucking hater
2020-04-11 10:57
reported , why u bring nazishit into this? ,,,10 iq
2020-04-11 11:54
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