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Jampi defense come
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Japan gachinko 
If he didn't sold/rent the account he violated Valve ToS by cheating. If he did sold/rent the account he violated Valve ToS by selling/renting his account. How do you expect him to win this case?
2020-05-01 11:28
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#1
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Europe PiapA
Idk
2020-05-01 11:29
hes kinda right.................
2020-05-01 21:11
the question is do you get banned from tournaments because of selling/renting an account?
2020-05-02 00:37
you get banned if you violate ToS
2020-05-02 10:26
Yea you may get banned but for how long? Permaban from majors for selling an account? Is that truly reasonable?
2020-05-02 12:23
imo yeah
2020-05-02 12:46
imo you're retard
2020-05-02 13:18
Why
2020-05-03 00:21
Reported
2020-05-03 10:01
okay, then leave alone the cheating, lets pretend ropz is your favourite player and valve just checked his ips and found out he has a second account that hes letting his poor friend to use, ips dont have a backstory to tell, its probably selling or renting, anyway ropz gets banned from valve events. do you think its justified?
2020-05-02 13:26
yeah dont care about him shouldnt have broke the tos
2020-05-02 16:06
then the pro scene is going to get rekt...
2020-05-02 21:30
Where is the proof he sold it? Its super easy to say "i sold the account years ago", but its just words.
2020-05-02 15:02
If there's some Valve has it. But Valve doesnt even want to investigate it or say that it truly has investigated it well. If they just came out with it and told even some of their proof for Jamppi/public no one would argue from it anymore
2020-05-02 16:42
Hes not banned for selling an account, he's banned for having a vac on his account. The problem is that the account is bought on his credentials, used on his pc etc which makes the ban his as well.
2020-05-03 13:27
the lawsuit is about the fact that european court ruled that steam ToS is illegal, as people should be able to sell their accounts
2020-05-02 12:05
+11111111 Jammpi is getting pity points and trying to play a victim drop his fucking cheating ass we don't need retards like him ruining this games integrity
2020-05-01 11:29
#10
NBK- | 
Other iBait
Fan of FaZe lmaoooo
2020-05-01 11:38
#11
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX
this dude out here tryina whiteknight orbit around jamppis dick. so cute, they think they got their hands on some finnish version of s1mple, and anyone who talks bad about jamppi crushes the finnish dream to become more than just a one hit wonder team like ence. the retarded little brother of Scandinavian countries shows its true face again, can we just get rid of all finnish people, they are weird af and have the personality of a cactus.
2020-05-01 11:41
#13
NBK- | 
Other iBait
I'm just calling out hypocrisy and stupidity.
2020-05-01 11:52
Hypocrisy? Which part?
2020-05-02 03:47
#325
NBK- | 
Other iBait
A FaZe fan saying "fucking cheating ass we don't need retards like him ruining this games integrity"? Textbook hypocrisy. Either he's not actually a FaZe fan or he doesn't really care about cheating nor integrity.
2020-05-02 08:48
What faze csgo player has cheated and or ruined the integrity of the game?
2020-05-02 08:56
let me repeat myself "faze csgo player" why would I or anybody else who is a fan of their csgo team care about a fortnite player whether I am a fan of faze as an org, or as a csgo team.
2020-05-02 09:51
#341
NBK- | 
Other iBait
Are you telling me someone who calls themselves "no1_FaZe_fan" likely isn't a fan of the org?
2020-05-02 09:54
don't assume. We are all here for one thing concurrently and that is csgo, so when we talk, we talk in terms of csgo.
2020-05-02 19:56
#452
NBK- | 
Other iBait
Someone who supports FaZe and cares about competitive integrity as much as him probably just wasn't aware of the Jarvis scandal, I'm sure he'll reconsider what organisation he supports after he learns about it. That is of course assuming he doesn't have double standards.
2020-05-02 20:21
there you go again, the word "probably" don't use it
2020-05-02 20:21
#455
NBK- | 
Other iBait
Which leads right back to my initial point. He's a hypocrite, just like every other FaZe fan that condems Jamppi as harsly as he does.
2020-05-02 20:23
Again your assuming a lot here to call him a hypocrite
2020-05-02 20:23
#457
NBK- | 
Other iBait
What are you even on about? If he was aware of Jarvis, supports FaZe and thinks incredibly harsly about Jamppi's situation he's a hypocrite. It's as simple as that.
2020-05-02 20:29
"if" you don't know if he did or not, how are you not getting this.
2020-05-02 20:36
#460
NBK- | 
Other iBait
It's i r r e l e v a n t. How hard is to understand that?
2020-05-02 21:20
Its not irrelevant, your claim that he's a hypocrite lies solely on the idea that he knows who Jarvis is, are you saying he's a hypocrite if he doesn't know who Jarvis is and is just a fan of the cs team?
2020-05-02 21:28
#463
NBK- | 
Other iBait
No, I am very clearly not saying that. I'm saying that he's a hypocrite if he's still the number 1 FaZe fan after learning about the Jarvis situation.
2020-05-02 21:33
But at the end of the day if he doesn't know, he isn't a hypocrite, simple
2020-05-03 00:23
#489
NBK- | 
Other iBait
Well hopefully he knows by now.
2020-05-03 08:02
so you are fan of og dota?
2020-05-03 00:25
#488
NBK- | 
Other iBait
Yeah, even though my name isn't "no1_OG_fan".
2020-05-03 08:01
pog
2020-05-03 09:54
No
2020-05-02 22:35
just for the record, im not actually a faze fan but it was hilarious watching you fight about it
2020-05-23 13:35
#500
NBK- | 
Other iBait
Must be sad to not have a favorite team to really cheer for
2020-05-23 13:55
i do, this is my alt
2020-05-23 17:43
Who gives a shit about Fortnite LMAO If you seriously assume having a faze flair on hltv instantly means the person is a fan of every faze division,then you are braindead af
2020-05-02 10:17
#366
NBK- | 
Other iBait
No, I assume someone called "no1_FaZe_fan" is very likely also a fan of the org. I also assumed that a Thorin fan could read. The story I linked isn't just about their Fortnite division.
2020-05-02 11:37
#47
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Finland jakem0n
Funny stuff coming from a guy with EU flag. Crawl back to your shithole :D
2020-05-01 12:25
#58
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX
your part of it shit for brains
2020-05-01 12:48
#64
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Finland jakem0n
I'd be ashamed of my country too if I'd be you. Dont worry, we all understand it is hard for 3rd worlders.
2020-05-01 13:07
#65
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX
a fin talking shit is really the funniest thing so far. you guys are like the brazil of eu.
2020-05-01 13:10
#66
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Finland jakem0n
Haha, your baits are so low. Your flag gives out everything. Why wont you use a fakeflag instead of one genric bitch flag? Anything you say about any country is irrelevant cuz you're such a chicken and cant reveal your real flag because people would bully you and your shithole country.
2020-05-01 13:27
#68
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX
i live in EU, so i have an EU flag. hard to comprehend is it not ? Assumption is the mother of all fuckups, now stop spazzing out before you pop that last brain-cell of yours you are barely operating on.
2020-05-01 14:09
#69
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX
next fin in line to get dick slapped please step up
2020-05-01 14:13
We finns are nice people:) i am proud of my country
2020-05-01 22:08
+1 another proud man passing by
2020-05-01 22:12
+1 best place to live
2020-05-01 22:25
#329
NBK- | 
Other iBait
+1
2020-05-02 09:22
+1 Finland is just too good
2020-05-02 14:40
#70
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Finland jakem0n
You're spastic. I bet you're Albanian or something and ashamed of it and that's why using EU flag to cover up.
2020-05-01 14:16
#71
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX
>Why wont you use a fakeflag Are you mentally unstable ? dude, regardless of what i am, i rather be Muslim/Jew/South American/ Middle eastern and anything in between besides being a fin, god it must suck to be such a cuck nation.
2020-05-01 14:19
#72
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX
>You're spastic. lmfaoooo are you 5 yo ?
2020-05-01 14:19
#111
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Estonia muifer
LMAO s1XX is too pussy to show his country probably from fucking ukraine shitting on finnish people all day
2020-05-01 17:58
#258
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Malaysia Amerka!
nt third worlder
2020-05-02 00:30
ur just a salty dickhead lmao go do something else twat
2020-05-02 11:56
#73
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Finland jakem0n
Haha, you're the one here trolling around like a total kid :D Just a bad baiter kid ashamed of yourself. I know it must be hard to be you.
2020-05-01 14:23
but you were the one who was roasted, u werent able to come up even with one good response lol
2020-05-01 21:06
#124
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Finland jakem0n
Ok incel.
2020-05-01 21:08
wow, i did not expect much from you, but that is too little i guess #72 is a good summary to that
2020-05-01 21:11
#129
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Finland jakem0n
Nice, now gtfo before some girls come and you get nervous and shit.
2020-05-01 21:12
kid, if that happens to you, that doesnt mean it happens to everyone
2020-05-01 21:13
#132
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Finland jakem0n
Then why your name is such a retarded one?
2020-05-01 21:14
it is for you, since you did not study at school what an oxymoron is yet, it's okay
2020-05-01 21:17
#137
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Finland jakem0n
Ok. You're at least as retarded this one EU flagger kiddo. I hope you will get in contact with some kind of people in some point of your life. If you're straight I wish you get a girl but if you're gay and wanna suck dicks, its just fine too. Hopefully you overcome your introvert behavior when all of this corona huzzle is over.
2020-05-01 21:21
"Ok. You're at least as retarded this one EU flagger kiddo." english? "I hope you will get in contact with some kind of people in some point of your life." wtf is that even suppose to mean lol "If you're straight I wish you get a girl but if you're gay and wanna suck dicks, its just fine too" done, thx "Hopefully you overcome your introvert behavior when all of this corona huzzle is over." so if my nickname says "introvert", im an introvert? and after that u call someone else retarded? lol, nice one. kid, u just embarrassed yourself....again
2020-05-01 21:28
#156
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Finland jakem0n
Fuck me, you're such a serious guy here. LOL. I miss one word somewhere and you suck so bad in English you cant fix it and understand? Noob. And to all other things... I dont take this shit seriously like you do :D:DD:D:DD I've done what I wanted and wasted your time being so "correct" and "wise" looking nerd.
2020-05-01 21:31
i did not get what u said again, whatever, thx for the entertainment, kid, do you homework and finally learn what an oxymoron is
2020-05-01 21:46
is your mom pussy? im think big hole is best word for it mens))
2020-05-01 22:00
english?
2020-05-01 22:03
i just said you are a 14 years old insecure soyboy, who lives without father.
2020-05-02 08:47
please continue both of you - it was entertaining
2020-05-02 09:28
Wrong wrong wrong Try harder kiddo 👶
2020-05-02 22:14
man, such toxicity.
2020-05-01 21:29
#157
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Finland jakem0n
Usually I'm not toxic at all but sometimes I like to bait retards, I'm sorry.
2020-05-01 21:31
Nvm. Too much toxicity in the game already. Better to stay away from Forums ig.
2020-05-01 21:35
#170
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Finland jakem0n
I agree. Toxicity is like never ending cycle. Toxic people attracts more toxic people and so on.
2020-05-01 21:40
alpha_introvert sent me messages about you saying bad stuff. you shouldn't leave it this way. defend your fin pride
2020-05-02 09:29
#384
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Finland jakem0n
I'm just gonna enjoy sunshine and my morning coffee but thanks for the advice.
2020-05-02 12:08
ok finnished
2020-05-02 12:21
cry is free i would cry too if i was from a 3rd world country.
2020-05-01 18:01
#255
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Malaysia Amerka!
nt third worlder
2020-05-02 00:30
+1
2020-05-01 22:34
that's a nice bodybag
2020-05-01 21:03
Yeah men))) weirdos touches each others balls , stays naked in jacuzzi. Sure , nothing wrong with being naked in a pool , but not with 5 other MALES ffs , why'd you inspect other men balls.
2020-05-02 00:30
#101
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Greece DMC7
fan of a team with 3 igls LMAO
2020-05-01 15:06
#102
NBK- | 
Other iBait
It's just funny to see a FaZe Clan fan have such a harsh opinion about cheating when their favourite org clearly has no problem with it.
2020-05-01 15:09
#105
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Greece DMC7
No i disagree with the guy he shoudnt be banned for it.
2020-05-01 17:32
#106
NBK- | 
Other iBait
Yea fair enough. It's kinda funny how OG has the exact opposite problem that FaZe has though, one team has too many IGLs and one too little.
2020-05-01 17:41
#19
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Nepal strninja
He is a kid,who cares if he cheated ,every kid once in his life downloaded cheat,important is that he is not doing it now and that he is good at the game that's all that matters.
2020-05-01 11:56
+1
2020-05-01 14:33
except that none of that matters because that's not how it works
2020-05-01 15:02
#103
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Nepal strninja
except it does,since he's not gonna get banned
2020-05-01 16:33
??? he is officially vac banned. valve wrote him a letter and told him to fuck off.
2020-05-01 16:42
#117
valde | 
Finland Juvi
Letter lol
2020-05-01 20:26
actually you are correct, they didn't even bother sending him an official document, just rekt him in an email
2020-05-01 20:43
welcome to 2020, where an email is actually an official document.
2020-05-02 09:31
welcome to 2025 where jamppi is still banned
2020-05-02 13:16
yes mens))) we should wear jamppi anti-cheat campaign t-shirts for new generations
2020-05-02 13:17
+1 fuck jampii, filthy cheater
2020-05-01 12:15
jamppi
2020-05-01 21:56
Jummpyy
2020-05-02 00:31
+1 The bottom line is that he broke the tos. He deserves to be banned from valve events. A 13 year old knows that cheating is wrong. He will lose the lawsuit. He doesn't even have a legitimate case. He is not banned from pro play. He is banned from valve's events as he should be.
2020-05-01 12:19
Tos is not the law. Also where does it say that if you break the tos you cant play in majors?
2020-05-01 14:34
and playing CSGO at a private event is not a right. please cite the specific law that gives you the right to play a video game of a private company at a private marketing event. you can't, so stfu
2020-05-01 15:04
+1 He has no right to play at Valve's events. The idea that he could somehow win a lawsuit is laughable at best. He broke the terms of service that he agreed to. Agreeing to tos is a contract. When you break a contract there are always repercussions. The game is Valve's property. The events are ran and owned by Valve. Jampii has no right to play in either. He did at one point have the privilege to and lost that privilege by cheating.
2020-05-02 23:42
#89
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Finland okoZzzu
If you are 13 years old and you don't think you will make it to the pro scene and you once download cheats and because of that you will lose thousands of dollars is shitty stuff. I don't think the villain is Jamppi here. It is Gayben
2020-05-01 14:40
#120
valde | 
Finland Juvi
He sure can win the case but nonetheless Valve can still keep Jamppi banned if they want to
2020-05-01 20:48
How could he ever win? Please give me the logic he would use
2020-05-01 21:52
And how could he possibly win? He broke the tos on Valve's game, and is not allowed to play at Valve's event. He knew that cheating or selling his account was against tos. He has no case. He will not win.
2020-05-02 23:37
#493
valde | 
Finland Juvi
Finnish customer consumption law could be the key
2020-05-03 15:26
I know nothing about Finnish law so I am not saying that you are wrong I just don't see how he could win when he knowingly agreed to Valve's ToS which is a contractual agreement and then also knowingly broke that contract.
2020-05-03 17:09
Lifetime ban in a VIDEO game... cmon man get real. People are being killed every day and murderers dont get such sentences.
2020-05-02 00:39
#449
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Finland saltkiN
so you are telling me that matchfixing (iBP) is more harmless than cheating on a smurf 6 years ago?
2020-05-02 19:34
1. It's ''less harmful'', not ''more harmless''. 2. Both deserve permaban duh
2020-05-02 21:36
#469
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Finland saltkiN
ok mr.grammar
2020-05-02 23:27
+1 Match fixing and cheating are both detrimental to cs. The severity of one over the other does not matter. Both break the tos and both deserve permanent bans.
2020-05-02 23:39
+1 "every kid cheated once" such bs, I didn't and kid or adult u get what u deserve, he needs to learn from his mistakes
2020-05-01 12:41
#87
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Brunei ALEISTER!
Yes bs really
2020-05-01 14:39
#88
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Brunei ALEISTER!
Monesy 14 yo old There are so many talents 13yo etc lol rhey should cheat then or jamppi is too smart
2020-05-01 14:40
+1
2020-05-01 15:01
+1
2020-05-01 21:11
Jerman tolks. Men, csgo is full of jermans with either aimbot , anti aim or spinbot lol.
2020-05-02 00:34
+1 It's absolute bullshit. I have never cheated in a multiplayer game and neither have my friends that I play with. It's a ridiculous excuse to make it sound like it's not as bad as it is. A 13 year old knows that cheating is a shitty thing to do. Fuck him.
2020-05-02 23:44
Who’s Jammpi?
2020-05-01 17:44
jamppi
2020-05-01 21:56
Well, at least he cheated in casual games when he was a kid. Not in professional tournaments like ropz and s1mple. There will always be cheating involved until they stop allowing players play with their own equipment. In e-sports you can cheat to get loads of money. If you get caught, it's just a slap on the wrist. Of course professional players are cheating. I am not saying that everyone, but many of them.
2020-05-02 10:50
Expected from Swedish jihadist. Muslims are like.. "if my wife cheated, I'd kill him. jamppi should be happy to be alive."
2020-05-02 11:05
Who cars. He will only play in finish scene anyway so his career is irrelevant
2020-05-01 11:30
#4
NBK- | 
Other iBait
Who cares if he cheated or not? All of these idiots who think cheating should be a criminal offense are more than happy to ignore s1mple's ESL Wire ban. Anyone who says age doesn't matter when punishing someone can't possibly be more than 14 years old themselves.
2020-05-01 11:33
#7
flusha | 
Germany felo
+1 Valve are hypocrites They know atleast 25% of current pro scene is cheating, yet they don't do shit about it since that would ruin so many teams out there and orgs who have invested much $$$ into their teams will be left with nothing So Valve keep quiet and only ban people who they think don't matter as much
2020-05-01 11:35
funny from flusha fan:D
2020-05-01 11:56
#22
flusha | 
Germany felo
I'm just honest, Valve don't give a shit about cheaters roaming the pro scene. And they will never do so. Also GOD flusha's not cheating just good gamesense ;)
2020-05-01 12:00
im not saying that he cheated for 100% but he would be my first guess without a doubt...
2020-05-01 12:00
Of course they dont give a damn. If they did , the game would be dead by now lol. The game survived for 20 years because valve are picky shady bastards.
2020-05-02 00:36
jamppi simp logic: "because valve didn't ban other cheaters they should allow more cheaters"
2020-05-01 15:05
#231
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North America 007DBR9
ur on drugs no one deserves lifetime ban from something as simple as cheating at 14, he's clearly not cheating now and he's invested a ton of time and effort into trying to get into majors
2020-05-02 00:14
why would you invest time in a game when you know that you are ban from becoming a pro? not like valve changed their rules
2020-05-02 00:40
Cmon man , lifetime ban? A year or 2 okay. Even 5 years but lifetime ban? Murderers dont get such sentences.
2020-05-02 00:38
imagine thinking not being invited to a marketing event for a video game is the same as going to prison for decades.... also he isn't really banned, he play the game and makes money from it every day
2020-05-02 00:43
Sure he does , but which org besides Ence is going to give him a chance? Most if not all teams have a set goal of at least reaching a major at some point. So no org is going to put hedgehog in their pants just so jamppi can live his dream of being an CSGO pro player. Just because Astralis and Ence are trying some weird 6 man roster stuff doesnt mean everyone would.
2020-05-02 01:09
you don't have the right to have a successful career in a video game. valve has no obligation towards him and it was his poor decision to continue playing this game
2020-05-02 01:16
Just like in life - you get fired , u need a new job. But still i dont think lifetime ban is necessary. Compared to other games , i think its a bit too much.
2020-05-02 01:20
Most devs won't allowed you to play at all if you are banned, certainly not in tournaments/twitch/youtube as they control the whole scene and consider it ban evasion. they also ban people for far more minor reasons, e.g. remember sadokist going on an n-word rant on twitch and was still allowed to cast at the major, no way riot or blizzard would allow that. anyway, valve probably doesn't actually care, they just don't want to waste money on some complicated ban and review system where everyone can come with their excuses and then they have to investigate... it costs money, it's just bad PR to have headlines about unbanning cheaters, causes drama, sends the wrong message... for what? so that some finnish kid can make a lot of money? not like there aren't enough pros
2020-05-02 02:38
I also think that if valve did allow him to play it would open up the door for other "ex cheaters" to do the same thing. If they make one exception it will open up the floodgates.
2020-05-02 23:46
exactly, people don't understand how complicated it get pretty fast. jamppi is actually a good example, he claims that his friend cheated but can he prove it? maybe jamppi did cheat and his friend is just someone taking the blame because his friend has no interest in becoming pro anyway. so now valve would have to interview jamppi's friends and review emails and message for 5 years ago to evaluate whether he is telling the truth. no way they are interested in wasting time and money on that. plus valorant is marketing themselves as "anti cheater" so valve probably doesn't want "valve unbans cheaters" headlines. ultimately the number of people that care about jamppi is insignificant and there is no evidence that unbanning him somehow makes more valve money.
2020-05-03 00:16
Name the cheaters
2020-05-01 21:11
#15
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Europe BIG_BIGFAN
even if he didnt cheat he still broke valves tos by selling or giving his account away
2020-05-01 11:54
#17
NBK- | 
Other iBait
Read my comment again, it doesn't matter what Jamppi did. And even then, breaking the TOS in such a minor way doesn't and shouldn't result in a lifetime ban from Majors. There's also no guarantee Valve's TOS is even legally upholding in Finland.
2020-05-01 12:02
#98
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Germany LuzZ_
+1 This. It does not really matter whether or not he broke the TOS. The TOS do not seem to be in line with european consumer law and will therefore likely be overruled.
2020-05-01 15:04
You do understand that in such an event no cheater could be banned. Since they would all claim “But my friend borrowed the account hurr durr”
2020-05-01 21:56
If I'm not wrong there was a case in France that ruled that TOS can't prohibit reselling a game or an account. So Jamppi could build a case with the same point
2020-05-01 22:00
Well obviously you'd have to prove you didn't own the account at the time of cheating.
2020-05-02 00:51
#294
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Germany LuzZ_
I am only talking about the TOS preventing people from going pro. Yes, each case on the pro level then would have to be looked at individually but it should not prevent cheaters on an amateur level from being banned.
2020-05-02 00:59
and should get lifetime ban from professional cs for violating tos at the age of 14?
2020-05-01 11:57
Does he have that? I dont think so
2020-05-01 12:22
Attending to Majors he has a lifetime ban for now.
2020-05-01 12:38
Yes, the guy wrote professional cs though.
2020-05-01 12:38
Almost the same thing.
2020-05-01 12:40
He is not banned from professional cs.. Its not the same thing. Just the Major as he is likely to never win anyways.
2020-05-01 20:20
It kinda does since no top team wants to sign a player who can compete in majors. Ence only signed him in the hopes that Valve would lift his ban
2020-05-01 22:02
Ence is not likely to ever sniff a major either
2020-05-01 22:27
More likely than any Icelandic team bro
2020-05-01 22:30
0% is not more than 0%. Anyways that wasnt really the topic. He isnt banned from professional cs no matter how you spin it.
2020-05-01 22:33
He isn't but in consequence of the ban he will not play top tier csgo
2020-05-01 22:34
Good, we agree that im right.
2020-05-01 22:37
In that sense yes you are but he can still use the argument
2020-05-01 22:48
#233
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North America 007DBR9
his career was horribly crippled, he could have joined OG if he hadn't been perma banned from majors, how does no one understand this
2020-05-02 00:16
Its not thats its not understood, its just not the same as being banned. OG is hardly a step up from ENCE anyway.
2020-05-02 16:56
who signs player who is banned from majors? so it ruins his professional career Ence signed him because they believe the ban is gonna be lifted
2020-05-01 12:55
If his ban is lifted so should Swags, steels, DaZeD and AZK ban should be lifted.
2020-05-02 10:42
Breaking the tos and matchfixing pro match is two very different things. However I think lifetime ban is too much on matchfixing too, their careers have been ruined already so its not really relevant.
2020-05-02 11:53
Its like how Jampiis career was ruined when he sold his account
2020-05-02 11:59
Jamppis career has not been ruined yet. The ban is RUINING his career because no one wants to pick him up even when hes super talented.
2020-05-02 12:10
#77
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Japan gachinko
it should not, everyone should have a second chance, but what I mean here is that valve is the one that set up rules here and he really doesn't have a chance winning it imo..
2020-05-01 14:31
so its ok to set rules that are not fair?
2020-05-01 17:56
It is a PRIVATE company, and Major is a PRIVATE event. The organizer have the right to ban anyone from joining the event. and no matter how unfair is the TOS, one should be responsible to it since they are the one who agree to the TOS. You should not complain about how unfair is it after you agree to it, and 14 yo is not an excuse.
2020-05-01 21:16
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North America 007DBR9
everything checks out
2020-05-02 00:16
You should be banned for life for selling an account? That is like getting executed for littering.
2020-05-01 12:01
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Finland jakem0n
+1
2020-05-01 12:27
#60
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Europe BIG_BIGFAN
valve made their tos public, its his fault if he breaks it and then gets banned by valve, rules are rules no matter what
2020-05-01 12:49
#81
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Yikes. It's not the fucking law dude, have some perspective.
2020-05-01 14:34
Law > your dumb perspective
2020-05-01 14:38
#86
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Ok
2020-05-01 14:39
Law > Valve TOS You're dumb (no perspective)
2020-05-01 21:58
You have internet in Mexico? lol
2020-05-01 22:17
My internet is decent
2020-05-01 22:19
Must depend on the person you are stealing it from.
2020-05-01 22:26
Law > Valve TOS You're dumb
2020-05-01 22:50
Valve's ToS is a law in a meaning they are the ones setting the rules regarding your account. You break them, you get punished? Did it finally reach your tiny brain or do you need to ask for help from your cartel friends?
2020-05-01 22:54
XDDD you think you are a lawyer?? Stopped reading at "Valve's ToS is a law" :DDDDDDDDDDD thats golden Thank you for the laughs m8
2020-05-01 23:04
It is only natural that inhabitants of Mexico don't even know what law is when the only rule applying there is ''listen to the guy with a gun''. I'm glad I was able to make you laugh - hopefully I made your reality of avoiding ak47 spray a tiny bit better 😃
2020-05-01 23:13
I have no words for you. Such ignorance i have rarely witnessed. Good luck in life
2020-05-01 23:25
#235
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North America 007DBR9
account, not his entire fucking career dumbass
2020-05-02 00:17
Account which was tied to him and led to his ban. Are all americans braindead or something? Btw not being able to play at major =/= end of career. Don't reply to me dumb amerikanski.
2020-05-02 00:24
#247
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North America 007DBR9
what are you even trying to say that if you have a csgo account volvo has as much power over you as the government in your own country. omegalol
2020-05-02 00:24
This is their game and their rules. If you get banned, ESPECIALLY for breaking the rules, you can't do shit about it. Got back to twitch chat, pleb.
2020-05-02 00:27
#257
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North America 007DBR9
"If you get banned, ESPECIALLY for breaking the rules, you can't do shit about it." and he was banned so all the time money that was invested to that account is worthless, no one has a problem with that account being nuked into oblivion, but that one account ban dictating his entire career path is insane, are u fookin buhlinde? for the record I refuse to use twitch because twitch chat gives anyone aids
2020-05-02 00:30
Not entire career. He is free to play every event except majors.
2020-05-02 00:34
#91
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Europe BIG_BIGFAN
so what???? i know its not a law but its a rule made by the company which made the game and the platform on which they sell the game, if he doesnt follow the rules its totally his fault
2020-05-01 14:53
#92
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No shit Sherlock. This isn't about whether or not Valve had the right to ban him, obviously they did. This is about whether or not it's right to ban a minor from ever having a top tier career because they cheated in a casual match.
2020-05-01 14:55
#93
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Europe BIG_BIGFAN
sucks for him then i guess...
2020-05-01 14:56
#94
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It does, and thats why Valve's TOS is shit.
2020-05-01 14:57
Intellectual comments coming from Finland. Valve shouldn't attempt preserve the integrity of their game because he wasnt legally an adult. And yes, cheating, which is essentially the cardinal sin of gaming, should be punished with a lifetime ban
2020-05-01 21:02
#143
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but your flair makes me suspect the worst.
2020-05-01 21:25
Name flag and flair check out. Go back to school. You could use it.
2020-05-01 21:27
#152
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Good old NA. Bring back the death penalty, am I right?
2020-05-01 21:28
#162
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Oh sorry, I forgot that your backwards country actually still has it.
2020-05-01 21:34
Expected from 0 IQ fin
2020-05-01 21:40
Did you really need to bring that stuff up in order to convey your point
2020-05-03 00:16
#486
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Some people just aren't worth arguing with.
2020-05-03 07:33
#238
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North America 007DBR9
"Valve shouldn't attempt preserve the integrity of their game" BAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA >integrety >csgo pick one
2020-05-02 00:19
Keyword: competitive
2020-05-02 00:37
Actually it is not because he cheated, he allegates that the account was never his, he bought it to sell to a friend at a lan party in his home or something with is parents CC, his friend gave him cash and got the account, there are even faceit matches with the account in question and jammpis actual account that he uses in the same lobby, so obviously, he can't be playing in 2 PC at the same time. TLDR : Not because he cheated, because the account isn't his, he sold it long time ago, friend banned, account tied to him because he originally bought it with parents CC
2020-05-02 01:42
no, I think s1mple should be banned same as jamppi, they cheated and dont deserve to play. It does not matter how old were you as a cheater, even kids know cheating is bad
2020-05-01 11:59
#24
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Then I feel sorry for you, your world view must be quite warped.
2020-05-01 12:00
k, so for example stealing would be ok if you did it at age of 10, right??
2020-05-01 12:01
#29
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When did I say cheating or stealing is okay as long you're underage? Obviously it isn't, but it would also be unreasonable as fuck to suggest someone should go to jail for life if they shoplift as a minor.
2020-05-01 12:09
he does not, he just cant play, same as someone would banned you from a store you were stealing in
2020-05-01 12:05
#32
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What the hell is your world view if you think cheating in matchmaking is somehow worse than shoplifting or that being banned from a store is somehow comparable to being denied over 100k in salary?
2020-05-01 12:09
I am not saying it is worse. I am just saying he should not be excluded only beacause he is good, he violated the terms he agreed to and should be punished accordingly to it. And that he is punished for salary is really only his problem
2020-05-01 12:14
#44
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"he violated the terms he agreed to and should be punished accordingly" The key word is "accordingly". Does a lifetime ban from having a high level career at a sport for cheating in an essentially casual match seem like an accordingly served punishment to you? Not to mention Jamppi was 14 years old at the time.
2020-05-01 12:23
The accoridngly is set by the one creating the terms= valve and that means they have full right to do it if they decide to and jamppi agreed to that
2020-05-01 12:25
#51
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No shit Sherlock, obviously Valve has the right to do it. Thats not what we're even discussing here.
2020-05-01 12:29
and yes i think it is according, since everyone is crying about cheaters. Also vac is shit and it could not have been one random match
2020-05-01 12:33
#53
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And that's unreasonable as fuck.
2020-05-01 12:36
Generally in 1st world countries we don't punish minors as harshly.
2020-05-01 12:05
in this case the punishment is so harsh to try to scare of others trying to cheat. And someone should not be excluded from it and from rules only because they are really great at it
2020-05-01 12:11
#34
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Nobody is talking about just unbanning Jamppi, there's no reason everyone else shouldn't be treated the exact same.
2020-05-01 12:14
I agree with you on that
2020-05-01 12:14
#38
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Then why are we arguing about this?
2020-05-01 12:17
I am saying jamppi should not be unbanned
2020-05-01 12:17
#45
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Because you have a very harsh and twisted view of the world, got it.
2020-05-01 12:23
#239
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North America 007DBR9
if you steel at the age of 10 you should never be allowed to set foot in that store ever again? wtf is your logic bro
2020-05-02 00:20
it's not a store. it's a game. you fuck other players, not the game owner directly
2020-05-02 09:35
Actually if you break the law as a minor, you aren't held accountable the same way an adult is. Kids steal shit all the time, you wouldn't send them to prison for it for the rest of their lives or ban then from every walking into a store.
2020-05-02 00:37
why criminal?? A Government decide whats criminal. Valve act on civil right. In South Korea cheating is an criminal act.
2020-05-01 21:37
#230
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North America 007DBR9
+1
2020-05-02 00:11
So what, that is worth of lifetime ban?
2020-05-01 11:31
#76
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Japan gachinko
it actually is not, I think he shouldn't be lifetime banned, that is stupid, everyone should have a second chance, but what I mean here is that valve is the one that set up rules here and really it's their decision on that case unfortunately
2020-05-01 14:30
he can still play csgo. So why he needs a second chance?
2020-05-01 21:38
#242
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North America 007DBR9
because his career was crippled he could be in OG but because of his lifetime major ban he's stuck in ENCE
2020-05-02 00:22
ToS is not law. Valves ToS can be violating the law as in EU you are allowed to sell what you own, thus meaning they cannot forbid you from selling the account. They have no identification on creation of accounts so they do not even themselves know who owns accounts. There might be a credit card purchase, but Jamppi surely did not have his own credit card as a kid. They are bound by EU law (gdpr) to release all information that they collect about accounts by request, Jamppi has requested the information and Valve has not responded, so they are breaking the law there too. This information could highly benefit Jamppi as he could prove that on the time of VAC he was not the one playing. Valves own rules state that the VAC bans are account based and not personal. Meaning that if you get caught you can create a new account and continue playing, they do not forbid you from playing cs. Their major rules otherwise state that PERSON who is caught cheating will get a lifetime ban. As accounts are not properly identified to be personal it is actually quite hard for Valve to prove that it was actually Jamppi the person who was cheating on that second account. He will probably not get unbanned, but to think that there is nothing to argue in the case is useless.
2020-05-01 22:09
I don't think it's hard for Valve to prove it was actually Jamppi the person cheating. They got all kind of statistics on spray control, movement pattern, speed-to-do-stuff, etc This is also the reason ValvE already sent him an email saying this is permanent: because they look at data and realized it was indeed jamppi and not "some friend". They just didn't call him a lier publicly because that would hurt his carreer and image more than necessary.
2020-05-02 09:39
I agree that they could do that, it would be interesting for them to comment what is that they did investigate. Knowing how lazy / ignorant Valve is for this type of investigations and towards community, I would assume that they checked only if the game was bought with same credit card, what ever is the least effort for them to disregard the issue :)
2020-05-02 11:40
Hi Elias, We received the question below about your eligibility to play in Majors. Our investigation has found a VAC banned account that we've concluded was under your control at the time of the ban. Therefore you are not eligible to participate at our events. Best of luck to you.
2020-05-02 12:18
This is valve email to Jamppi. If they say anything further in public, it will hurt his carreer even more, and without any need for it whatsoever, because dude would be exposed publicly as a liar. He would become king of "it was my friend actually" meme for the whole of eternity. He's almost there, I admit, but we will forget about it eventually. Look at the final words: "best of luck to you" - valve has good intentions here.
2020-05-02 12:20
Of course they do not need to publicly say anything, but that is why Jamppi is sueing them so that he would get some answer in some way. Like I said it seems to me from this short email that they only checked who created these accounts and as it was jamppi with same credit card they jus concluded that it was under his control.
2020-05-02 12:48
you didn't read properly. they concluded account was under his control at time of ban.
2020-05-02 12:52
I did read properly and I remain in the same opinion. It is the conclusion but it does not explain anything. I find it extremely hard to understand why would Jamppi after this start sueing Valve and publicly demand more information if he was the one cheating, and know that more information would just show it more clearly :D But yea, Valve is bound by GDPR to release the information they have on Jamppis account, so they need to tell him when they detected cheats and when they banned him what type of cheat and any analytics they have on that.
2020-05-02 13:01
yes. IF Jamppi keeps pressing the matter. Which I doubt will happen, honestly. this was before ENCE hiring him, right? that's that
2020-05-02 13:07
Yea I mean he cant push it very much. Also I dont really know how the whole case develops as it doesnt really make sense to ask for damages when he DID get a professional contract with the biggest team in Finland. But overall I do think that there should be some considiration for the professionals. I do agree with Valve on that, if you get caught in a pro game for cheating, you can be banned for life, but if you cheated before you became a pro, I really dont think that should stand in the way of giving you a possibility. Maybe some prohibition or some other ways to punish, but still. And overall I would think that cheating should be managed similarly to cheating in regular sports. There are a lot of ways to punish players, but lifetime ban is rarely given for the first time offense. I do feel that Valve just doesn't care to spend money and time on creating this type of fair competitive environment, its a lot easier to just ban for life (but of course only for that game). So if csgo2 with source2 engine would be "a different game", then suddenly the vac bans are no longer a problem, which I find hilariously double standard.
2020-05-02 13:17
ValvE could argue it's vital to their business model to have as less cheaters as possible, and it's something very hard to control, so they need to take harsh measures against it, at the risk of hurting game integrity if they didn't. It's not about pro scene, but about the game integrity itself. But honestly I don't think a trial will ever reach such a debate. I agree with you there's a problem when a new cs version is released, like from 1.6 to csgo, the bans not being kept - but don't worry source 2 is not cs 2 as far as I've heard.
2020-05-02 13:23
Thats actually the funny but sad part, that they do not care about cheaters when it comes to us - the regular players. Even with Jamppi, he is completely allowed to play cs. Lets say that he is a cheater. Valve does nothing to allow him to play with and against us. So this means they only care about cheaters in pro-scene. Why not care a bit for the rest of the scene also? If Valve would actually care about cheaters, they would require an actual identification during account creation, so that it would from hard to impossible to create a new account if you get banned. But they dont really want people to get banned, they allow anyone to just create new account, continue playing, maybe learn a bit by loosing their skins etc. I also know that source2 update will be part of CSGO and not a new game, but that change is the same going from cs 1.6 to cs source or to cs go. So basically there are pro-players who have been in a similar situation, being banned in earlier versions of the game, and the only difference is if it has a different title on steam library? :> So I'm not saying Jamppi should be unbanned nor that he should be banned. Its just really annoying that a very talented player is not allowed to play, while in very similar conditions you have almost half the pro-scene who are allowed to play, and it feels like they are allowed because nobody knew they had accounts in their names when they became pro's and Valve doesn't want to ban established pros because it would hurt the game. Double standards. Either create a fair environment where the punishment fit the crime or just ban every single player ever cheated for life, and to be honest if the argument is "once a cheater, always a cheater" it shouldn't matter if they cheated on any steam game, even if they cheated at a fucking school exam, every cheater banned for life.
2020-05-02 13:59
wait dude. VAC bans cheaters. also Vacnet was developed and it works really well. also this specific rule has the goal of producing less cheaters all around the board, not only @ majors It's no surprise valve doesn't implement harsher identity or software measures, because they don't wanna risk their business model. The game is owned by valve, so they make the rules - simple as that. One of these rules says ban for cheating = no major ever. I think it's a better game because of this rule. You may reason differently, but it's not your game, sorry. Also you don't want to compare cheating on csgo, where you actually fuck up directly with other people, to a fucking school exam. ps my english sucks
2020-05-02 14:32
Vac bans accounts not players. Every cheater vac bans can continue playing because valve is not forcing any identity checks. There are so few pro players that Valve can check every single one of them if there are any issues with bans etc, but if they want to keep the integrity of the game and do something about cheaters it is about the common scene where they need to step the fuck up. Like said they dont care about Jamppi cheating with the common folk, but they ban him from the events. This means exactly that Valve doesn't care about anybody else than the pro-scene. But if they did care about the pro-scene they would take better care of the situation like the Jamppi ban, so it doesnt seem like they care about pro-scene either. It is true that Valve owns the game and they can have terms of service and they can have rules for the events etc. But I love the fact that kids here at hltv think that if you own a game you are somehow a dictator of everything around it. When you sell something you actually become accountable for what you are selling and all of your rules and terms need to apply to the market and to the laws where you sell your products. So no, Valve cannot just do what ever they want, it is as simple as that. My comparison with school exams is towards the attitude of most people on this forum. Kids are so black and white with their opinions that I find it extremely funny, like said people can be against giving Jamppi a second chance but are happy to support s1mple as worlds best player? That is laughable. Or if you have vac ban on another game, it is not cs so its ok. All of that is complete hypocrisy. If you think about any other situation in any part of life, every single person would agree that Jamppi or anybody else should of course be given a second chance, and most people would automatically give second chance if the game changes or something stupid like that. So my point is that if you do not agree with this, why stop at vac bans, why not ban players if they have any moral violations at all. As you know "once a cheater, always a cheater". Maybe there should be a lie detector inbuilt to vacnet that listen to your microphone, if you lie you could get a ban.
2020-05-02 14:59
This identity problem has to do with all of the internet and I believe we're better off by not allowing identity scrutiny because it's borderline fascist. The rule we're refering here is not a moral statement nor a philosophical principle whatsoever, it's just a rule. Game designers are allowed to make rules, and punishments, inside the game. That's all there is to this matter. One of the principles of game design is that people don't have to understand or agree to the rules - either they play it, or they leave the game if they dislike it.
2020-05-02 15:28
If you buy something you are allowed to sell it, there is nothing around that. If you collect information about the users you are bound by law to release that information by request. There is no way around that. If you sell any type of product you are bound to the rules of the market you operate. There is no way around that. If you are game designer or owner, you cannot do what ever you want with the game. There is no way around that.
2020-05-02 15:57
He's allowed to sell it yes, this is why valve didn't punish him for that. There are a lot of ways around user data and their release to public. One thing for a company is to say what data it collects, and even open it. Something else is to show publicly what they do with that data inside house. There is no rule on the market of games saying a private game company cannot ban it's members whatsoever. Most places, as far as I know, there is a common understanding that it's only unfair when the individual didn't breach tos. Yes game game designing is a free trade and you are allowed to design your games the way you want it. If you fail to obblige to law or regulations, it will lead to problems. To my knowledge there is not regulation saying ValvE cannot ban Jamppi from majors. I could bet real money this boy never gonna win this trial. Valve is not going back on a fundamental rule, fortunately, and also they are not causing direct financial damage whatsoever - the player having joined ENCE as prime example.
2020-05-02 16:30
Just to clarify around user and personal data.. it is of course NOT to be released to public :D It is personal information. But every company collecting information is bound to EU law to release the information to that person they are collecting from. So you have for example possiblity to download everything that google has collected about you. Google has made this available for everybody to request and download it. Most companies do not, but on request they have to collect and send it to the person. I want to clarify my thoughts a bit also. I do understand that: a) Game developers are allowed to ban cheaters b) They can have rules about how to use their game etc c) As a event organizer or sponsor they can have rules about attending d) This lawsuit is and was never even ment to go on trial - it is a way to open up the conversation to valve as they do not answer otherwise e) Financial damages like I said is very hard to demand after joining ENCE, agree there. But after clearing that I do understand all of these things. The question is how all of these are bound together in the lawsuit. Like said there are few things that _can be argued_: a) Steam user accounts are not verified to be personal b) Attending to major events and banning from them are personal c) Valve does not state that VAC bans are personal, but account based. d) Thus by their own rules they need to prove that certain online VAC ban was surely caused by the person banned from events e) If they release the details on the ban, it allows Jamppi to even try to prove his innocence - which by law they are required to do f) It can be argued that they are denying his possibility to work on his profession, if they do not even try to support the investigation and being open to what is the truth behind all of it. I know it is very unlikely to succeed, I do understand there are tos violation at least and most likely he will never be able to play at majors, but I just want people to understand that if you haven't read the lawsuit it is actually pretty solid, if there ever was a "fair trial" of the subject the argument is pretty valid and I would give it a 50-50 chances of going either way :) Surely in reality it is at least 99% surely Valves win, but the argument is still good. Thanks for civil conversation on the subject bro. It is rare here. This reply box is soon gonna be too narrow to reply anymore :)
2020-05-02 19:30
#423
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Portugal ghostyycs
i love how valve doesn't give second chances to pros who cheated/etc.. in the past, when they can't even stop a free cheat lmfao
2020-05-02 15:06
No he shouldn't, give Nixon and Hitler a second chance whilst you're at it.
2020-05-02 16:51
#475
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Japan gachinko
why you don't agree with oneself?
2020-05-03 00:07
We all say stuff we regret sometimes
2020-05-03 00:16
#484
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Japan gachinko
I agree with you (me), but you don't agree with me (you)
2020-05-03 00:38
#6
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Europe letqpena
Does Valve actually ban the players from entering Valve sponsored events if they have violated the clause in the ToS which forbids the sale and renting of accounts? Furthermore, the actual owner of those accounts should be the person who actually owns the credit card the purchases were made with i.e. his dad. And he shouldn't even have been playing the game when he was 13. The game has an age limit of 16, though that's not really Valve's problem.
2020-05-01 11:34
afaik, For some reason, the VAC banned account is tie under his name and confirmed by Valve. The excuse saying that he bought the game for his friend is not valid because giving your account violated the TOS. So he got no valid excuse to ask for an unban imo
2020-05-01 21:21
what if he did give his account and break tos? vac ban would be unfair.
2020-05-01 21:26
wdym. The account is banned because of VAC, and Jamppi is responsible for the account
2020-05-01 21:29
and? if he didn't cheat and just gave his account. how fair is life-time vac ban?
2020-05-01 21:34
Because an account under his name got a VAC ban, and he is defending himself by saying that he gave his account to his friend, but giving an account is violating the TOS. So his argument will not be valid as it break the TOS
2020-05-01 21:38
so what?? is punishment for breaking tos a life time vac ban?
2020-05-01 21:44
I just repeated twice and I will do it again. Long story short, he could not prove that it is his friend who cheats. and even he proved that, giving an account to a friend is violating the TOS(another rule) so he could not use this as his argument in the lawsuit. If Valve happen to unban him, there will be a lot of 'my friend cheated' story.
2020-05-01 21:46
He is using that in the lawsuit, going against tos doesn't make you lawsuit useless. In law suit he stated that he bough steam accounts for a lan party. There are faceit games that support this.
2020-05-01 21:49
He cannot prove his innocence if there is no information when the alleged cheating took place. Valves ToS might already be illegal in EU, as you cannot forbid people to sell what they own, such as games bought. I dont really understand this "my friend cheated story", Valve does not care about people acutally cheating, that is why vac bans are account based and you can always create a new account. Also CSGO is free, so it does not require you anything to continue playing. So there is absolutely no reason for anybody to ask for unban or to Valve to respond to "a lot of people". For professionals that attend Valve sponsored events this is maybe once in a few years that they need to check the ban because for those events the bans are not account based they are personal.
2020-05-02 11:47
Open qualifiers for Minor are Valve's event as well and anyone can play in it afaik
2020-05-02 12:20
I dont think they are valve sponsored events as they do not have prize pool :o
2020-05-02 12:45
parents decide which game their kids play. The age is only advice and a rule for public events
2020-05-01 21:40
I do not expect him to win, I just want it.
2020-05-01 11:37
#78
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Japan gachinko
same
2020-05-01 14:32
#9
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Czech Republic VetriX_
exactly
2020-05-01 11:38
Hard to tell. That "my friend cheated" story doesn't convince me
2020-05-01 11:46
me too. If Valve happen to unban Jamppi, everyone else will do the different version of 'my friend cheated' story.
2020-05-01 21:22
Expected from Lithuania where everyone lies all the time. Cannot even trust your own mother, damn it must be rough.
2020-05-01 22:00
Ok, fanboy
2020-05-01 22:02
Fanboy what? Fan of 3 6 mafia and stone roses yes what else???? fan of some nerd? no, thats you.
2020-05-01 22:03
I like Stone Roses too
2020-05-01 22:04
that's cool, m8!
2020-05-01 22:53
EVEN if he have cheated, who the fuck cares when you do it 14yo in a random matchmaking match? I understand this policy if you ever got caught from cheating in any kind of tournament environment, but c´mon, people do even much dumber things in that age and they are not punished for life. I think most of Jamppi haters are just scared that Jamppi would probably rekt their beloved teams 8) #FREEJAMPPI PLZ
2020-05-01 11:51
I took you seriously at first, but that hashtag...
2020-05-01 11:55
bro, in random mm match.... you really think VAC works, right?? but nice bait
2020-05-01 12:03
#249
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North America 007DBR9
please speak actual english that other people can understand
2020-05-02 00:25
What we want from Valve is more open discussion with these things. Valve knows the timeline and IP where cheats were used. We want Valve to tell us these thing and give proper sentencing. This lawsuit can provide this.
2020-05-01 11:56
yes. jamppi will get so rekt if he keeps pushing it will probably finish his entire carreer because of bad image
2020-05-02 09:42
Not the fight you wanna take yekindar
2020-05-01 12:19
TOS aren't binding in the letter of the law. If the TOS said valve can kill him do you think the courts would allow that? Think before you type next time. The court can simply declare the TOS illegal/ void because Jamppi wasn't even old enough to sign them yet.
2020-05-01 12:23
Did the TOS say anything close to killing someone?
2020-05-01 21:24
tos = 18+, was Jamppi 18+ ? no, so it's void. Try to follow the point by reading the examples
2020-05-01 21:31
So he is violating another rule for agreeing to a TOS without being 18+
2020-05-01 21:32
Yes. That's the point.
2020-05-01 21:32
When his parents gave permission for the acc the ToS also stays for underage people. Otherwise, you couldn't even buy a burger under 18...
2020-05-01 21:43
#49
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Finland Vkims
he was minor so honestly he shouldnt be charged because of this
2020-05-01 12:26
He never gets a charge. Valve take their house rule and say you aren't welcome here.
2020-05-01 21:45
The account that was caught cheating was bought by Jamppi's mother, as Jamppi obviously did not have a credit card at age 12-13. Jamppi always had his own personal account that he used to play, the new account bought by Jamppi's mother was then used by some other people, perhaps Jamppi's friend or maybe it was Jamppi's mother? Who knows but the question is, why is Jamppi's mother not banned instead of Jamppi?! She bought the account, therefore it was her account and not Jamppis! She should be banned for life, not Jamppi who was an innocent child who had nothing to do with the account. Case closed, Jamppi wins!
2020-05-01 12:48
#67
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Finland jakem0n
200iq
2020-05-01 13:33
#83
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Japan gachinko
next case: jamppi suing his own mother
2020-05-01 14:34
Go maybe to law school then you find the answer. Parents buy stuff for their kids all the time. But that makes them not responsible for what the kids do with the things. Sure there are exceptions but a game acc is something a child could deal with it.
2020-05-01 21:48
#222
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United States rifles
I guess it's true Germans have no sense of humor.
2020-05-01 22:52
humor? Humor lives in Springfield USA not in germany
2020-05-01 22:57
First of all, already went through a law school and graduated so thanks bye. Secondly, who says she bought the account for Jamppi? Thats Valve who is making the assumption.
2020-05-02 00:14
Valve doesn't care. If he bought it, his parents agree with that cuz their parents never said "my kid make an account I don't agree with that" something that parents can do until the kid is 18. Then the company (here Valve) has to take back any actions the kid had made. That would open another question for this thread why his parents never tried that? I mean I speak about german law dunno of other countries. But I guess other countries have that revoked law as well for underage people.
2020-05-02 00:22
Comrade you arent making any sense.
2020-05-02 00:23
You obv never pass law school. Children are never fully legally competent. Cuz of that parents can always claim that their child did buy something the parents not allowed. TheN the company take everything back cuz the company aren't allowed to sell it to the child without parents approval in the first place. Jamppi parents never said that so Valve is correct with their assumption.
2020-05-02 00:27
Comrade you arent making any sense.
2020-05-02 09:45
for uneducated brains ofc.
2020-05-02 11:53
Umm yes I did, I am a lawyer :> Thats not true btw, according to the court documents Jamppis parents bought the account to be used by Jamppis friend during a lan party at their house.
2020-05-02 10:25
But his parents aren't allowed to make such a decision for his friend. They aren't his parents. Did his friend's parents pay Jamppi parents the money back?
2020-05-02 11:42
I'm sure this is not the path this trial will go. LOL
2020-05-02 12:21
It makes a difference if it was a transaction or a gift
2020-05-02 13:03
What lol? They can buy a gift to his friends or anyone they like.
2020-05-02 16:00
Nope, they can't hahaha what lawyer are you. Phahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah If the parents don't agree with the gift then they have to take back the gift.
2020-05-02 17:05
Lmao, you're dumb as shit. There is no law regarding that, if I give a steam account with a game to a kid as a present, they can accept it. Of course the parents can tell the kid that you're not allowed to play games but I dont have to do jackshit. Just dont use the game then ayyy lmaoo You are literally with a bot intelligence lmao
2020-05-02 18:40
In Ukraine he can receive card in his age so I think in Finland too
2020-05-02 00:52
Nope, not credit card and it was actually confirmed in the court documents that the account was not bought by Jamppi's card.
2020-05-02 10:23
Source?
2020-05-02 10:29
#62
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Hong Kong Gold907
Er i thought he sue valve for poor communication? So even if he actually cheated he can still win the law suit lol
2020-05-01 12:50
Free my friends jampi and a$ap
2020-05-01 14:26
jamppi
2020-05-01 21:56
#75
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Australia JAY_DAWG
His argument is that there is no mention about getting banned from Majors for selling Steam accounts. He is expecting a less harsh punishment for selling the account, one that doesn't involve getting banned from Majors.
2020-05-01 14:29
afaik, For some reason, Valve confirmed that the VAC banned account is tie under his name. The excuse saying that he bought the game for his friend is not valid because giving your account violated the TOS. So he is not ban because of selling account but he could not prove that the VAC account is not his account imo.
2020-05-01 21:27
Court can rule that Valve tos can't legally prohibit reselling or gifting a game/account. Such has happened before not sure if it was with Valve but with another company
2020-05-01 22:29
If so, he still need to prove that it is his friend who cheated.
2020-05-01 22:46
His friend willing to testify? Alsl Valve could figure if the IP adresses even match to Jamppis on that time
2020-05-01 22:50
I dont think his friend testifying it will be a strong evidence because any other VAC banned pros will come out with similar story and find a friend to testify it. But the IP thing might be a good evidence
2020-05-01 23:01
A guy on reddit already found out that the cheater is some dude from his former hockey team. Im sure they could come up with a pretty solid case if the guy would testify in court.
2020-05-02 10:33
Any evidence showing that it is that guy who cheated but not jamppi?
2020-05-02 10:56
The only common denominator people found was that they used to play faceit together, and that the 2 accounts (VAC ban account and Jamppi's account) have been recorded to be playing at the same time, on the same server.
2020-05-02 11:55
If he had two accounts playing at the same time. How can he proves that he is not using the VAC banned account but the other. If you understands what I mean
2020-05-02 12:15
Yes but I was only telling what people had found out about these accs, there's a decent chance the lan party for hockey teammates happened but I guess it's hard to prove either way.. This is an interesting case to follow.
2020-05-02 12:17
True, difficult to prove
2020-05-02 12:18
His friend has 3 VAC banned accounts in total so it pretty likely it was the friend who got also Jamppi's old account banned.
2020-05-02 12:56
pretty likely= not confirmed
2020-05-02 18:43
Did not say so. It is important if they go to court.
2020-05-02 22:04
#84
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Serbia d1ckson
Cheating=permaban Selling account=not permaban /closed
2020-05-01 14:36
retard turks, russians and arabs don't have the IQ to understand this, nt
2020-05-01 15:02
Exactly mens and I think Jamppi is trying to argue that he just sold the account but didnt cheat himself
2020-05-01 22:30
#369
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Serbia d1ckson
I hope ha can get proof, gl to him men
2020-05-02 11:45
As long as Valve will be consistent no matter how this case goes then I'm fine with it. If Jampii is unbanned i feel Valve HAVE TO do the same for the same sort of cases. If they don't then they can continue as before; that being a no tolerance policy
2020-05-01 14:41
jamppi
2020-05-01 21:56
if he gets unbanned 99% of steam support tickets by convicted VAC accounts will have to be lifted too, because rarely people shit.. it is way more common that "friends" or "brother" do it.
2020-05-02 09:48
He didn’t purchase the account
2020-05-01 17:43
Who’s Jampi?
2020-05-01 17:43
+1
2020-05-01 17:59
cheating is vac, selling account is not vac, s1mple yes
2020-05-01 18:02
#115
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Australia zanics
jamppi should be stripped of finnish citizenship and sent to live on svalbard alone with nothing but axe for his shameless cheat
2020-05-01 18:12
#118
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Finland Juvi
+1
2020-05-01 20:35
cus age, and finnish laws maybe?
2020-05-01 21:14
Jamppi recieve vac to his acc cause he can't read ToS of valve and rn he crying, and ofc finish laws and age doesn't mean anything cause valve private company
2020-05-02 00:38
i don't expect him to win
2020-05-01 21:18
#138
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Lithuania arres
if in terms of service of cs it would be written that you have to suck gabe's dick, could Gabe sue you and make you suck his dick? It's TOS after all
2020-05-01 21:21
no but if gaben hosted parties so people could suck his dick and than on ToS he says those who cheat won't be allowed to attend to such dick-sucking parties, and then a kid goes to court saying he cheated but he's still wanted to attend party to suck gaben's cock, it would be absurd, right?
2020-05-02 09:51
#140
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Finland Jodecast
How retarded are people in this thread that think tos is legally binding...
2020-05-01 21:23
I heard they were gonna pull some legal nonesense with Finish law something about reasonable expectations of age or something
2020-05-01 21:25
being under 15 u r not in criminal liability
2020-05-01 21:27
but does breaking TOS count as Criminality?
2020-05-01 21:28
well it kinda translates to tos, u cant be suspended from anything for rest of ur life for smth u have done under 15 edit: and what i understood from the case in tos it never said u cant participate majors if u have vac banned account
2020-05-01 21:31
#248
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Lithuania arres
really? Even if you murder someone?
2020-05-02 00:25
if u murder, u will be sent to youthprison, ur parents probably will lose their custody, after prison u will go to children's home and ur life is already ruined
2020-05-02 00:43
Reported
2020-05-01 21:25
lets say he cheated, in tos never said u cant participate majors if u have vac banned account
2020-05-01 21:26
But in Valve Major rules it is written in the rules. When you Vac banned in the same game as the Major event game you aren't allwo to play there.
2020-05-01 21:52
but how he can know it when its not in tos? he press x for tos but nothing into major shits
2020-05-01 21:53
Golden Law rule "lack of knowledge doesn't protect you from punishment". I mean there are exceptions in some cases but this rule is worldwide known.
2020-05-01 21:54
this isnt some fuckin magia shit, u cant put that to some contract lol :D:D:DD:D:D. if there isnt mention about majors and vac ban in tos its unban for jamppi
2020-05-01 21:56
This is reality. Deal with it
2020-05-01 21:58
yam pee is that really how finland pronounces it?
2020-05-01 21:40
no its jamppi
2020-05-01 22:21
There is no defense
2020-05-01 21:46
#182
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Finland Juseboy
im pretty sure he gifted the account to his friends which is allowed and if it wasnt why would that stop him from playing valve sponsored events?
2020-05-01 21:53
No that's not allowed, cause his friend recieve vac and literally that jamppi's acc so that's mean that jamppi recieve vac, you write that he gifted his acc to his friend but the owner was jamppi
2020-05-02 00:37
#414
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Finland Juseboy
in steam there is an option to gift games but i guess jamppi just let his friend borrow his accout
2020-05-02 14:31
Yeah you right
2020-05-02 16:36
Violating ToS, might not justify his permanent ban from his profession according to the law. Especially since he was a minor.
2020-05-01 21:58
Valve are a private company, It doesnt matter
2020-05-02 00:18
#245
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Lithuania arres
Wow. Never heard that argument before. You sure know the laws
2020-05-02 00:23
The suit is filed in Finland, so actually it matters. Just because a company is privately held doesn't mean that they can do whatever they want or write whatever they want in their TOS.
2020-05-03 21:53
kind of stupid to even do threads like this. when you create a steam account there is rules you have to accept. to be honest no one really reads them, but if you accept them valve has rights to do what they are doing right now.
2020-05-01 22:05
#241
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Lithuania arres
What if Gabe put the rule that you have to suck his dick or give all your property to him in ToS. Can he sue you to make it right?
2020-05-02 00:22
Your reply for nothing ToS law of valve if valve write there that if you sold your acc you receive ban and literally if you sold your acc and new owner receive ban that mean that you receive ban and rn jamppi crying when he can't read fucking ToS or use his 3iq brain to understand that big company like valve blizzard and so on always ban all ppl who sold acc
2020-05-02 00:32
#265
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Lithuania arres
Yeah, so ban his mom from valve sponsored events. It was his mom who bought the account. He was to young to even own a bank card.
2020-05-02 00:35
You can't know who buy cs for him, he can use web money or use terminal to add money to his acc and buy cs
2020-05-02 00:40
#281
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Lithuania arres
lmao
2020-05-02 00:47
Rlly man he can say all what he want but we exactly we can't know what are truth
2020-05-02 00:49
#237
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Netherlands staticNL
I don't think Jamppi can win, but nowhere in the ToS of Steam does it say that trading your account will result in being banned from partaking in Valve sponsored events.
2020-05-02 00:18
#246
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Finland 0lter
ToS isnt law.
2020-05-02 00:24
ToS law of valve if he can't read this it's only his problem
2020-05-02 00:29
#259
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Finland 0lter
nope thats not how it works
2020-05-02 00:31
That's how this work your accept that you read all rules that's called digital signature
2020-05-02 00:33
#300
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Finland 0lter
2020-05-02 01:24
This is exactly how it works actually lol
2020-05-02 00:54
#299
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Finland 0lter
lmao you think if it says you will become their slave or something that will hold up in court?? no dude its not law. Its a contract between two parties not a law
2020-05-02 01:24
Jamppi break valve's law cause he accept by digital signature the valve's ToS, valve private company
2020-05-02 01:30
#304
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Finland 0lter
valve doesnt have laws lmao he breached contract, which millions of steam users do
2020-05-02 01:39
#323
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
ToS is not a law.
2020-05-02 04:07
Omg 3iq kiddo valve private company and ToS their law
2020-05-02 10:30
He retard, must read license of steam, that he can't sold acc, and now crying that he permanently banned from valve 3iq person
2020-05-02 00:27
#273
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
But there is no good reason as to why you cant share accounts with people other than Valves grees, people were sharing entertainment with eachother for years before digital distribution and it wasnt an issue but now it is, it makes zero sense. Heres the issue we have no proof jamppi cheated, now is it fair that a cheater like forsaken, match fixers like swag and someone who shared an account when he was 13 get the same treatment, no, its very clearly not.
2020-05-02 00:42
It's all cause valve's ToS, I disagree with valve sometimes but not with jamppi's case If you interesting why I disagree with valve I will say when they perm ban swag for 322 and didn't ban solo for the same
2020-05-02 00:44
#284
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
But the ToS is not a valid argument, it's not the same law, it's not justifiable by any logic. How can you justify jamppi being banned in the same manner forsaken and yet s1mple a man who cheated in an ESL event and tried to evade his ban is allowed to play. I'll tell you why, Valve do not care about integrity, the ToS is contrived bull shit and anyone with a brain can see that, ToS shouldn't exist, there should be laws laid down as in everything else, ToS just allows companies to manipulate things unfairly.
2020-05-02 00:51
Valve private company and jamppi breaks their law and recieve deserved ban /closed
2020-05-02 00:54
#293
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
This is why private companies need to have less control and that needs to be fought for ToS shouldnt exist, their should be standard laws. Private companies like EA, Valve and Riot abuse power dont care about their users and will just take any step to make money no matter how it impacts the end user.
2020-05-02 00:57
you could say the same thing about governments and justice. valve > government
2020-05-02 09:58
#295
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
Like things in ToS that say companies can delete your profile or ban you from using it at any time for any reason, that's not fair or ethical and its rife for abuse and corruption.
2020-05-02 01:00
Majors are Valves home. If they dont want him there, he cant do shit. No one has the right to participate in private companies events lol
2020-05-02 00:46
#282
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
But that doesnt make them justified it's actually highly unprofessional.
2020-05-02 00:48
It may be unprofessional from your point of you. But there is really no chance Jampi is gonna win any lawsuit that allows him to play in Majors again.
2020-05-02 00:50
#288
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
But anyone trying to justify Valves actions is simply a moron. Valve are treating match fixing, cheating in a pro game and sharing your account when you were 13 as equal, then s1mple cheats in an ESL event and it's ok, Valve should be taken to the cleaners legally and used out of their ass for discrimination alone. Laws around private companies and digital distribution need updating badly.
2020-05-02 00:54
But anyone trying to justify Jampis actions is simply a moron.
2020-05-02 00:53
#292
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
How he shared an account when he was 13, shared an account, that's it. S1mple cheats in an ESL pro game and is still allowed to play, no consistency.
2020-05-02 00:55
Prove that he shared it or it will be him who cheated
2020-05-02 01:33
#303
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
Well heres the thing no one can prove he cheated so there no logical way other than some contrived ToS that breaks all logic that you can prove he cheated so you can ban him in any logical sense and claim any integrity. See people are assumed innocent until proven guilty, everyone in a court room is presumed innocent until there is enough to prove otherwise, if this wasnt it would be a mess. Now he admitted to sharing the account there is evidence of that and all of the info he has given correlates with everything so it actually appears hes telling the truth.
2020-05-02 01:38
there is a VAC account tied under his name, so he is proven guilty by Valve. If he is the one sueing Valve then he need to prove that Valve did something wrong in the whole process. So he should provide evidence that it is not him who cheated or he will remain banned. Sharing account is not a valid argument because Sharing account is prohibited in Valve TOS which he agreed
2020-05-02 01:43
#308
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
No, as being tied and the action perpetrated are not the same. Its like someone stabbing someone with a kitchen you let them borrow to use in the kitchen and then you get the blame for it and the actual guy goes free it makes no sense, its a miscarriage of justice. I dont care what the ToS, the ToS needs to be reviewed by and independent legal team and changed. No, thats not how that works, a claim requires evidence Valve claim he cheated well they have to find sufficient evidence to prove that they dont have any. Its called burden of proof, if i accuse you of something i have to prove you guilty, Valve has yet to prove him guilty, an account linked to him is not solid.
2020-05-02 01:48
If someone stab people using my knife and I am arrested because of it. I will need to prove that It is not me who used the knife to stab people. Simple stuff. And It is clear that Valve have the right to ban VAC account HOLDER to participate in their event. Jamppi's account got banned due to VAC so he is banned from Valve tournament. Simple as that. And speak about the TOS, he should not agree to the TOS if he finds it unfair but not complaining it after hand. He got the responsibility once he agreed to the TOS
2020-05-02 01:59
#310
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
No, they will need to prove it, if they find any evidence then you have to disprove, its prove first disprove second, Valve have yet to prove anything. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(l.. Valve still have the burden of proof, if they find real evidence that Jamppi cheated then Jamppi has the burden, an account linked to his name is not sufficient evidence.
2020-05-02 02:11
An account under your name got a VAC banned. You are the one who should prove that it is not you who using it. How is that not sufficient evidence. LOL
2020-05-02 03:40
#314
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
Because Valve has zero proof that it is him who was using it ToS has nothing to do with actual law. For instance you cant be put in jail for cheating in a game or face any legal actions, even though it may violate a ToS, so Valve still has to prove it was him who cheated, all they know is that someone on the account cheated, they have no proof it was Jamppi. VAC bans are tied to accounts not people hence you can just make a new account.
2020-05-02 03:49
#317
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Sweden quacke
+1 Being connected to an account will not hold up as sufficient evidence in court, and unless Valve can provide any evidence that is admissable in court it's a baseless claim, and they won't win.
2020-05-02 03:47
No one is putting him in the jail for cheating. imagine everyone who got VAC banned come to Valve and ask for evidence to prove that they are innocent. Valve will not allow that, that is why Valve will never reply to him on this case. Valve will be in so much trouble if he happen to deal with him or eventually unban him
2020-05-02 10:47
#315
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Sweden quacke
That would be true if there was sufficient evidence to suggest Jamppi was cheating. There isn't, at least not in court. If there's no proof from Valve then it's a baseless claim. Also, #313. The suit is not to get Jamppi unbanned, it's more about the fact that something unproven ended contract negotiations with OG, a contract that could have made him a lot of money and been a massive career opportunity for him. If he wins, I'd be inclined to think he will be unbanned, because it's cheaper for Valve to just backtrack on that instead of compensating him.
2020-05-02 03:46
still the same thing he could not prove that he is innocent. The account is vac banned. It is proven someone cheated on the account, and Jamppi (The account holder) is the one who need to prove he is not the guy who cheated. Imagine you are staying in the house alone, someone got killed and died at your house. You will be the guy who need to explain the issue. You cannot come out with story like my friend came my house to kill someone without any evidence. If that makes sense to you
2020-05-02 10:52
#413
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Sweden quacke
Thing is, that's not how it works in a lawsuit. Especially not in this lawsuit, where he is accusing Valve of giving him a career ruining ban without any proof he deserves it. He can prove contract negotiations ended because of the ban, so now it's Valve's turn to motivate why it was justified. Being connected to the account isn't enough because he can prove he's not in control of the account anymore. Further, it's possible that since he was 14 at the time, the terms of service don't apply to him because he wasn't legally old enough to sign them in the first place. Lawyers can do magical things, you know.
2020-05-02 14:16
Is account sharing really gonna get you banned from playing at majors?
2020-05-02 01:43
#313
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Sweden quacke
This will get buried but IIRC the suit is more about him losing out on a lucrative contract with OG rather than his actual ban. Like, the fact that he may or may not have done something which hasn't been proven left him out of a massive career opportunity. He's not actually looking to be unbanned.
2020-05-02 03:44
#318
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
strawpoll.me/19916104/r This is the opinion of sane people. Can you imagine life long consequences for something so minor that you did when you were 12-13, its mental, its absolutely stupid.
2020-05-02 03:55
#319
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Sweden quacke
I voted yes for that.
2020-05-02 03:54
#320
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
I genuinely dont get how anyone can think he should be banned, i just dont get how anyone can take this contrived ToS stuff seriously, a ToS is some non legal company policy that they use to gain control, people say account sharing steals revenue from Valve, this wasnt an issue before digital distribution. I dont ToS's, if what im doing isnt a federal offence or isnt breaking the law how can some company just go i dont like that a lock you out, its nonsense.
2020-05-02 03:59
#321
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Sweden quacke
Actually, ToS's are legally binding contracts between user and company. It's bullshit, but breaking the ToS basically allows the company to do whatever they want (within reason), in the case of Valve, ban you. When you click agree on the big wall of texts, that's signing a contract. It's total bullshit, but holds up in court. I would never think breaking ToS makes you ineligable for playing Majors, though. I think almost every pro player has done it at some point, at least the old 1.6 guys. s1mple is one of them.
2020-05-02 04:01
#322
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
I dont think not allowing people to share accounts is within reason. And yeah if Jamppi remains banned, then s1mple must be banned for consistency. I really think the laws around EULA and ToS need rethinking and i dont like how companies can just make their won, i dont think its a good idea, like Google can just shut down your account whenever they want to and for any reason, thats clearly not ethical. “YouTube may terminate your access, or your Google account's access to all or part of the Service if YouTube believes, in its sole discretion, that provision of the Service to you is no longer commercially viable.”, how is that ethical, fair, moral or even logical. The reason they have the stupid clause that your account is your responsibility and any ban on it is your fault is laziness, they cant be bothered to actually do the research to find the truth, i appreciate you cant do it in all cases but ones like this you can.
2020-05-02 04:11
#324
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Sweden quacke
Well, within reason or not, Jamppi signed that contract, and so did all of us. My point was that they can't order a hitman or some shit, that's outside of reason, but they probably could terminate your entire account. Then again, how would they ever know? Laws around EULAs and ToS changing would be a nightmare because literally any company with a sign-up service has them. If you don't read em, they could literally say "Youtube gets custody of your firstborn child" somewhere in there, and you just signed a legally binding contract agreeing to that. One day we're all gonna be bit in the ass because of it, but the damage is done. Changing the laws would be hard because every company is lobbying for them not being changed, every ToS in the world would need to be rewritten and likely reviewed which would take endless resources, and on top of this it's a worldwide issue, and would need some big governmental body like the EU or the UN to change it for it to be effective. Look at what GDPR did to the EU, and that was incredibly minor by comparison. At this point since the only damage that's been done is data being collected, which really isn't that bad, it's just easier to save those millions of dollars and headaches and just leave it.
2020-05-02 04:18
He's been interviewed and he has deliberately said that the lawsuit was made to get rid of the ban, everything else is secondary.
2020-05-02 11:59
Not being in OG is probably for the better, if anything he should be thanking Valve.
2020-05-02 16:50
#445
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Sweden quacke
This ENCE deal is great for him, and he wouldn't have been any better in OG than mantuu is, but no doubt about it he did miss out on a massive opportunity by not being able to sign for OG.
2020-05-02 18:00
#338
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Finland 7ones
How old are you if you do not see him winning the case?
2020-05-02 09:49
He have less than 1% chances, he will not win and you know why? Firstly because vavle is multi millions company and can afford best lawyers in the world which jampi can't and secondly he broke the rules, it's like you committed a crime, you were caught red handed and then you would try to act innocent, he lost this case already, no player that vas ever vac banned will be able to attend majors, that how it always was and will always be.
2020-05-02 10:18
#347
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Finland 7ones
Even if he did cheat he has over 50% to win that
2020-05-02 10:24
it won't happen m8, valve will never let a vac banned player play in major, i can guarantee you that, jampi lost already...
2020-05-02 11:12
Even if he wins. Valve has still any right to deny him the major.
2020-05-02 12:02
+1 If Valve happen to talk with him regarding this issue, then every users that got VAC banned will come to Valve and ask for an explanation. If Valve happened to unban him, all other pros that caught Cheated beforehand will come out with something like 'My Brother used my accounts', 'My neighbours used my account' That will be a lot of troubles for Valve.
2020-05-02 10:56
#345
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Austria mo_bamba
if he didnt cheat
2020-05-02 10:20
#359
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Finland Goble81
Do you get banned for life if you violate TOS by installing and playing the game while you are under 16 years? The question is not about should someone get a punishment if they break rules. Of course there should be consequences if someone breaks rules in online or IRL. The question is about "is Valve living in this world when they give life time bans for kids at age of 12"? Now I'm talking in general, not just about some specific case. Doesn't sound like a normal way to teach and raise kids. Loosing an account and kicked out of servers for 2 years would be more reasonable punishment. How about if you get 5 yellow and red cards in a football (soccer for you in NA) game when you are at age of 12? FIFA would ban you for life entering their tournaments? Yeah, right....
2020-05-02 11:04
He isn't banned for life. He still can play csgo.
2020-05-02 12:00
if you disagree make your own game. this is gaben's game and gaben doesn't like cheaters - that's that, deal with it
2020-05-02 14:35
You should
2020-05-02 16:49
Do you understand that the case is not about Valve ToS?
2020-05-02 10:58
All this "he broke ToS" bullshit lol. I'll break it down for u: Jampii is Finnish. Finnish law states that when u purchase an account through a distributer, that is your digital property Therefore, Jamppi has the right to buy and sell the account because the account was HIS property. REGARDLESS OF VALVE TOS. TOS IS OVERRULED BY LAWS. His case is that he is ALLOWED to sell it because it was HIS. So, when he was banned, it wasn't HIS account anymore. Additionally: His claim is that Valve is restricting him from making money from his career by banning him from their events over what, as stated previously in his post, was not his responsibility.
2020-05-02 11:01
he was not right. Without the permission of his parents' friend, you aren't allowed to give it to him. Also, your answer is in contradiction of other statements. That he was under 14 and with that je wasn't able to agree to TOS.
2020-05-02 11:59
tos is not at matter here his claim is bullshit because he was just hired for biggest org in finnland? he can play other tournaments? jamppi did 300 IQ decoy here and he just won the round - ENCE Jamppi
2020-05-02 14:37
Valve has their own ToS so when you think about it literally nothing the Finnish law says matters at all, Valve make the rules for their own platform and if you can't follow them you get vac banned simple as that, the Finnish laws can't change anything.
2020-05-02 16:19
No. If Valve wants to operate in Finland, they must abide by Finnish law. There ToS cannot violate Finnish law if they want to make any money in Finland
2020-05-02 16:27
Actually you're wrong, if Finland wants access to Steam they need to abide by Valve's ToS it's not the other way around and that's literally business 101 basics.
2020-05-02 17:53
LOL OK BRO because finnish law definitely just ceases to exist when Valve makes a ToS okkkkkk
2020-05-02 17:58
"If he did sold/rent the account he violated Valve ToS by selling/renting his account." Because this doesn't result in a permanent ban from participating in majors. Also, you couldn't find a rule anywhere that said VAC = No major at the time.
2020-05-02 11:10
cuz the rule is written in the major contract. Everyone can take rules of environmental circumstances into a contract. It is normal. as a private company, you are also allowed to change it whenever you want cuz they act on civil law, not on Government law.
2020-05-02 11:57
it was never a secret
2020-05-02 14:37
It's an interesting discussion when bringing up the morality of Jamppi. Bottom line is that it is out of our hands and he is already proven guilty as far as Valve goes.
2020-05-02 11:11
1. it is spelled with 2*P. 2. it is a game, let the man play it.
2020-05-02 12:03
Here's how it'll play out: The ban is for cheating. Selling an account does does not lead to a lifetime ban. Jamppi already admitted to selling the account so not sure what punishment is suitable for that. Because Valve clearly bans the person for life, Valve will need to prove Jamppi, in person (not the account), cheated. This is nearly impossible, but with IP addresses and 3rt party data from Internet service provider, it could be confirmed that he either did or not. Also even if Jamppi didn't cheat on that occasion, if he is asked has he ever cheated then it would be a lie to say No. Also has the one who bought the account admitted he cheated? I used to be a pro in 1.6 and I have never met a pro who hasn't tried cheats = no pro has never cheated. Jamppi is just unlucky in this case.
2020-05-02 12:44
is breaking the ToS by selling his account the same as cheating and getting a vac ban?
2020-05-02 13:19
no
2020-05-02 14:38
not really, everyone in this case knows jamppi broke atleast 1/2 of the rules so he has no chance of winning. And if somehow valve wants to give that deformed face a chance, they will get 100 more exacly same court cases by players and they cba.
2020-05-03 00:33
#409
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Denmark Alphamon
You don't get a lifetime ban to Valve events from selling your account, you will receive a punishment fitting for said violation but that is by no means a ban for life to playing the game. That is his argument, he was not the one cheating ergo he should not be the one to receive the ban. Two different scenarios. It's a different case whether he can prove it or not.
2020-05-02 13:20
he should go pro in valorant
2020-05-02 16:07
ahh, another jamppi cry thread. nice nice
2020-05-02 16:10
Who is crying, the Jamppi fans or the haters?
2020-05-02 16:44
i guess both of them
2020-05-02 16:48
+1
2020-05-02 20:00
fans only. Haters know he won't get unbanned no matter what so they're taking the W anyway
2020-05-02 20:27
true, haters wont be crying because they know jamppis parents have to pay more money to court case than jamppi will ever make in cs xaxa
2020-05-03 00:27
Mr. Impersonator I don't
2020-05-02 16:44
#497
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Japan gachinko
I agree. Although there's a tiny chance of him winning it. But it could set cs world on fire.
2020-05-04 21:31
There is a chance he gets unbanned if the CSPPA or whatever boycotts Valve's majors or something, but that organisation seems ineffective so far.
2020-05-04 22:23
ggwp Jammpi
2020-05-02 20:14
the fact that he was 12y/o at the time or some shit
2020-05-02 21:38
He cannot win in this case. Even if he didn't cheat, he solved his account, this is against the rules. So, anyway, Jamppi will lose in this case. Anyway, he can't play on Valve-sponsored tournaments (Majors, minors, RMR tournaments, etc).
2020-05-03 07:41
Minors should be treated differently
2020-05-03 17:11
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