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KARRIGAN TRUTH
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Finland TuureBoelius 
Stages of the karrigan cycle: 1) Karrigan joins a team 2) The team is trash for quite some time 3) Eventually, the team finds some success (wins a couple of events but not even close to an era, chokes at majors) 4) The downfall starts 5) Changes are implemented by the team to counter the downfall 6) The changes don't work 7) The downfall continues 8) Karrigan is kicked from the team Mouz are at stage 4 right now
2020-05-03 19:47
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You could say this about a lot of IGLs
2020-05-03 19:49
#94
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Germany Soul88 
He wasnt a classic nerdy computer kid in school he was one of the ones to get a girlfriend first and a very social person typical for fin is that he is very determined Egal ob Spielkarten, Tischtennis oder mit dem Computer, er gibt nicht auf what he really wants is to win a major it’s his dream therefore it is my dream for him to get that
2020-05-22 15:57
#3
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United States AproximateCS 
tbh not wrong
2020-05-03 19:50
#93
flusha | 
Germany Soul88 
He wasnt a classic nerdy computer kid in school he was one of the ones to get a girlfriend first and a very social person typical for fin is that he is very determined Egal ob Spielkarten, Tischtennis oder mit dem Computer, er gibt nicht auf what he really wants is to win a major it’s his dream therefore it is my dream for him to get that
2020-05-22 15:57
I told you all this, and karrigan dickriders kept attacking me. I gave him the benefit of the doubt after he got kicked from Astralis, after the failure in Faze it is clear karrigan is the problem. This is what he does in any team. Join, win 1-2 tournaments, downfall, gets kicked. Time for him to look in the mirror.
2020-05-03 19:50
Sure, Faze is so good now, without karrigan
2020-05-08 23:19
#22
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Portugal NabasKi 
They've won all the games at ESL so far.
2020-05-08 23:31
OMG HAVE THEY? what an absolute beast team, won all esl games, too bad they havent won any titles ever since karrigan left the team. mouse has already won events with karrigan, 50 iq people just dont get it that without him mousesports wouldnt have even reached close to top.
2020-05-08 23:40
#30
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Portugal NabasKi 
I didn't say faze haven't achieved anything with karrigan, did I? FaZe aren't looking bad at all right now either. I never said mousesports would be better off without him, in fact I actually think he's doing a good job.
2020-05-08 23:42
faze isn't looking good and isn't looking bad. that's the problem. they're a consistent t2 team.
2020-05-16 16:48
#83
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Brazil xandiinho 
i would say that they are a inconsistent t1 team. play like beasts one game, like bots another
2020-05-17 08:05
They won blast Copenhaguen last year
2020-05-08 23:44
blast so who cars
2020-05-08 23:47
when they had karrigan, they were #1 ranked for a long time
2020-05-16 16:52
they have won a few blast events. get your facts right sir
2020-05-16 16:50
w0w blast events, what a high prestige event with amazing format, marvelous, its almost like someone cares about blast wins
2020-05-16 19:34
+1, blind haters
2020-05-16 19:46
#137
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Norway Kimern 
hltv.org/events/4370/eleague-csgo-invita.. hltv.org/events/4327/blast-pro-series-mi.. hltv.org/events/4702/blast-pro-series-co.. all without karrigan wierd right? *Faze havent won sh't wihtout karrigan* Mouz have won 4 tittels for now, and FaZe are on a rise , rn Broky show some good ass plays aswell , i think faze could go all the way back to top 3, sorry dude, but i have more fath in FaZe then Mouz rn, and Mouz have the youngsters aswell, Karrigan , legit have Ropz,Frozen and Woxic , u cant blame Chrisj for lossing games, look at the paper you have 3 youngster who need to put up the numbers, on the other hand we have FaZe Niko still young and IGling and put up huge stats, Rain pretty soild , Coldzera solid aswell, Broky seems like this guy could be the next big thing, and i think FaZe will ad Bymas , that means we have 3 youngster aswell but ,FaZe have system around Every player it seems like , idk about mouz anymore tbh, i just think they should try to stick togheter a bit longer if they dont show anything , kick someone or so idk who but dont alyways blame chrisj, and karrigan , i dont watch mouz anymore but you have 3 youngsters
2020-05-25 10:55
karrigan made faze good for waYY longer then two tournaments
2020-05-08 23:47
you are speaking like its a bad thing that he manages to make a team that win several tournaments even for a short while. its almost like he is good at it, no matter if there is downfall, its wins that matters to teams and if we is capable doing that to organization he has earned his place and salary.
2020-05-08 23:58
+1
2020-05-22 15:58
#38
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Singapore Asturobot 
You haven't been active recently and cannot post more than five replies per day
2020-05-09 00:00
dont worry if you post more than 5 replies per day then jonathen e bans u
2020-05-25 10:47
''attacking'' lul
2020-05-16 16:51
mad that i was proven right?
2020-05-16 16:51
what they stabbed you in irl ?
2020-05-16 16:52
#61
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
Ahahaha, he's making fun of himself without even knowing xD.
2020-05-16 19:37
+1
2020-05-17 07:34
#91
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Kyrgyzstan Dambagar 
+1
2020-05-18 23:58
+1
2020-05-17 07:46
faze is still bad without karrigan, so
2020-05-24 19:27
Faze RIGHT NOW is better than MOUZ, try again karrigan fanboy.
2020-05-24 21:13
Still, karrigan is gone and faze is not performing like in they did in 2017, when they still had karrigan Also a few months ago mouz was x50 better than faze
2020-05-24 21:22
Bro wtf they did in 2017? Are you kidding me? They couldn't dominate anything, they always lost vs SK, they won like 3 tournaments lmfao. Mouz was better than faze a few months ago but that is not because of Karrigan. Mouz has won only one real t1 tournament at that was the pro league finals which astralis completely threw. They haven't won anything notable at all (i dont care about t2 tournaments).
2020-05-24 22:42
1) I literally never said faze dominated the scene. But they were definitely better at the time than right now, i mean at least they won a few tournaments back then. And they were constantly playing finals against SK/Astralis etc. if I recall correctly. 2) At least mouz with karrigan won a t1 event. How many t1 events did Faze win in 2019? 0. Faze is only better right now because of online cs. When LANs start they will start choking again, lol
2020-05-25 01:34
Yeah amazing how botigan fanboys keep changing the history, faze sucked dick EVEN before karrigan left and were not winning shit, that's why he got kicked. Can't wait for your excuses when karrigan is eventually kicked for the third time in a row.
2020-05-25 01:35
Faze sucked dick? Man they were top2 team of 2017 lol. I'm not changing any history, you can check the actualy history on liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tour.. and see that Faze used to be a good team
2020-05-25 01:37
Read again what i said. Right before karrigan left faze were garbage and you can't deny that.
2020-05-25 01:37
yes thats true, but it not the main topic. You are blaming karrigan for faze's falldown, but in reality, Faze was and is still shit after karrigan left them. At #4, you said that karrigan was the problem of faze, and we all saw that he was not.
2020-05-25 02:30
He WAS the problem. Just because Faze are idiots for not replacing him with another good player and using standins and not even trying to sign a competent IGL, does not mean he was NOT the problem. Two things can be true you know? As i said i will just wait for you guys' excuses when mouz players lose faith in him and he gets inevitably kicked.
2020-05-25 03:24
#5
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Czech Republic mirtN 
+1 in every team he experienced it
2020-05-03 19:50
#6
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Europe faze_best_team 
i mean it's proven
2020-05-03 19:52
it's also proven that niko has kicked every igl he's ever played under and the team has gotten worse as a result
2020-05-08 23:23
It's not proven though
2020-05-08 23:33
#27
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United States SLAM_THE_FART 
not true. mouz with gob was worse than with niko as igl
2020-05-08 23:39
#78
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Netherlands toothpaste 
you mean?
2020-05-17 07:57
Or maybe they are good in LAN and not online
2020-05-03 19:53
#43
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Finland TuureBoelius 
they were good at epl tho
2020-05-10 21:00
#8
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Germany cya_in_10 
+1 mouse should go back to german roster
2020-05-03 19:54
#10
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Malaysia 1st 
real
2020-05-08 23:01
step 5: -chrisj +styko next
2020-05-08 23:17
#13
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Myanmar Guzhas 
step 5 - add sunny for more firepower
2020-05-08 23:19
lol
2020-05-08 23:22
bump(2nd acc==))
2020-05-08 23:20
#51
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Finland TuureBoelius 
ty
2020-05-16 16:43
#15
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Bosnia and Herzegovina BigDaddyNaz 
He just does NOT frag. If you want to be a top contender you need to frag as an IGL or just expect at least 2 players to go beast mode. That is just to much pressure for the stars of the team. Rops / Woxic no 25/30 bomb no win.
2020-05-08 23:21
#79
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Netherlands toothpaste 
flag checks out, karrigan does frag btw
2020-05-17 08:00
#87
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Bosnia and Herzegovina BigDaddyNaz 
Almost as good as olofmeister
2020-05-17 21:18
#88
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Netherlands toothpaste 
karrigan has a higher kpr in the past 3 months
2020-05-17 21:21
Well Karrigan has always been a shitty IGL. He will never build a stable and successful team
2020-05-08 23:22
he is tier 1 IGL, but he did not born for winings majors sadly, I like this pigy face
2020-05-08 23:25
He is not tier 1 IGL, he is tier 3 IGL. He has always got really good players to build his team with, yet they never get to the level they are supposed to, because of karrigan.
2020-05-08 23:27
-1 ropz and frozen are performing like crazy now
2020-05-08 23:35
Are you 10 iq?
2020-05-08 23:35
I like how mouz plays right now and I hope it doesn't happen like Karrigan's previous teams but I do think it's going occur soon. Idk who you would even add or remove though, surely ChrisJ gets removed before Karrigan? But then who do you pick up in his place? What entry fragging or supportive players are available that are better than him?
2020-05-08 23:26
+1
2020-05-16 00:01
#23
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Czech Republic Cuki_ 
"but not even close to an era" nt
2020-05-08 23:31
o n l i n e
2020-05-08 23:42
#34
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Brazil D0TTSS 
Online CS doesn't mean shit
2020-05-08 23:44
#39
s1mple | 
Algeria Chemso 
True!
2020-05-09 00:02
#40
Dosia | 
United Kingdom Noided 
karrigan will never win a major :/
2020-05-09 00:03
#44
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Finland TuureBoelius 
true
2020-05-15 23:55
#42
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Finland TuureBoelius 
guess i did bump my thread after all
2020-05-09 12:46
#46
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Netherlands staticNL 
how about everybody stops overreacting to online cs
2020-05-16 00:02
#48
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Denmark Karrigan500IQ 
+1
2020-05-16 00:04
#89
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Finland TuureBoelius 
your nickname is disgusting
2020-05-18 23:52
Shit is old, Karrigan is f'ing awsome.
2020-05-16 00:03
#49
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Brazil |LUCAS1| 
BOT chrisJ
2020-05-16 00:06
#50
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Bosnia and Herzegovina mirzach0W 
lol you dumb no igl could do this with mouz online cs faze was just dumb.
2020-05-16 00:08
#52
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Singapore Asturobot 
You haven't been active recently and cannot post more than five replies per day You haven't been active recently and cannot post replies repeatedly within five minutes You cannot post replies repeatedly within ten seconds
2020-05-16 16:44
visit pasha london school
2020-05-16 16:47
#2 isnt always the case,TSM was great right after he joined,Faze was instantly good when they got enough talent with Niko
2020-05-16 19:41
#67
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Denmark tense198_v2 
+1
2020-05-16 20:56
#63
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Brazil sakaaa 
More like 1. team starts to win 2. opposition works hard in finding a way to surpass your scheme 3. eventually they succeed 4. team cannot find a new successfull strategy to adapt it's current gameplay 5. another champion thrives
2020-05-16 19:45
#66
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Brazil moonski 
bestest igl
2020-05-16 20:54
#69
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Serbia hltvmens 
online cs
2020-05-16 20:59
7-8th place at Katowice, they won only t2-3 teams
2020-05-24 19:35
+1 most overrated shit IGL
2020-05-17 07:34
Name checks out.
2020-05-17 07:44
+111
2020-05-24 19:35
karrigan is definitely the problem. every line up he's been IGL for has managed to get into the top 5 he can rally players, knows how to use them well but can't overcome the mental hurdle wants he's broken into the top 5. You saw it with TSM, you saw it with FAZE and now with mouse They come out losing games, they develop and build strats and teamwork and their game plans are on point the teams always end up looking really polished and have incredible cohesion. Break into top 5, karrigan dismisses all game plans, all strategy and throws the team into more of a pug / 2015 fnatic scenario thinking confidence and results will make up for being lazy. however the players he has require structure and game plans because that's all they've had the chance to experience in their careers. Ropz = amazing aimer, really good situational < meaning he needs others doing their planned roles. Frozen = good aimer, left up to his own his decision making against top players usually leads to a loss ChrisJ & woxic = capable of being free roaming players to fit a looser playstyle this make the way for ropz and frozen to shine in their allocated roles bringing the matches into the agreed upon game plan format.
2020-05-17 07:39
wow you should be pro team coach
2020-05-17 08:03
Pretty much this. All this happened with TSM, happened with different FaZe's rosters, has been happening with mouz right now.
2020-05-17 07:43
+1 facts but deluded karrigan fanboys will attack you
2020-05-17 07:48
#86
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Turkey Fongn212 
after stage 4 there is a stage 4.5. They comeback just a little so karrigan buy some time but inevitable is coming. then stage 5 6 7 8 and boomm karrigan got kicked
2020-05-17 08:15
lol thats actually true
2020-05-22 15:55
Well not really true. Also clear you forget cs is a sport. Like most socalled cs fans. Cs pro scene is 30 teams, every team in top 30 is a pro team, is a very good team, No one here could be on one of those teams. Not every team can be the best. and for some that isnt even the goal. karrigan is one of the best IGL ever, and he always brings something to a team, and improve it, like he did with Mouse. Mouse is not where they want right now. true. but to blame karrigan for that dont really make sense when its the fraggers that overall fails. And talking about eras.. what is it people dont get.. its so simple. An era is something special. there have been 2 or 3 ever. just because you are number 1 for a time, or win. dont mean you have an era. 99% of all people and teams never get to be part of a team that have an era. Its not how its meant to be, as said the pro scene is 30 teams. being among those 30 is good. more than most will ever get close to. having an era is for a very very few players. the number 10 team might be right where they mean to be, and the same with 20 and 30. not all teams are meant to be number 1. in any sport. cs is no different. Is karrigan the best IGL, no. Is he the worst in top 30. also no. People need to look at the teams he is ad, and the players on those teams. Its become a thing and a meme just to say karrigan bad everytime other tings go wrong. Ofc 98% of all on this site and cs fan isnt really fans, just haters of different things in cs. they dont enjoy the game, or understand it. And the hate on karrigan is the same. For what he is meant to do, he is doing it okay. Mouse as a whole is however failing. mostly because people that is meant to hold, aim and kill dont do it.
2020-05-22 16:04
Tbh ur not wrong ngl...
2020-05-22 16:07
karrigan is good at putting a team together, not so much playing the game he should consider retiring and becoming a coach when he left faze he was an absolute non-fragger, literally i could frag better than him and i have a full time job
2020-05-23 17:47
#114
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Denmark K4k3 
Yea, the problem is you are comparing yourself to a MM match (and who knows what your rank is) to a pro match filled with pros
2020-05-24 19:45
i can probably do better than 5 frags in a match lol
2020-05-25 10:41
U obviously do not know ur details about what happened at faze. They had somewhat succes from first event, as the though only days after he joined reached playoffs for the first time. They won titles also before the got olof and guardian, and after. Not that its all wrong what u say
2020-05-24 19:32
#105
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Poland SebL 
mousesports are very inconsistent, they can play like TOP 1, and they can play like they would be some T2 team, or even worse. Also, karrigan isn't the problem in this roster.
2020-05-24 19:33
+1
2020-05-24 19:36
Stage 4? More like Stage 7. He'll probably be gone within the next 1-2 months, depending on upcoming events & if COVID makes LANS a probability again.
2020-05-24 19:39
Agree
2020-05-24 19:42
#111
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Asia 12345610 
+1
2020-05-24 19:43
Karrigan havent proved me that hes top tier igl yet tbh, he has ropz, woxic, frozen in ur team, You dont even need to igl to win some tournaments with those players, give karrigan some tier 3 players and win tournaments with them and make them better players, then i believe.
2020-05-24 19:43
#116
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Estonia Saurise 
karrigan and chrisj will get removed soon
2020-05-24 21:15
I was sitting here thinking "ive seen this thread before" and then i realized its a month old.
2020-05-24 21:15
He wasnt a classic nerdy computer kid in school he was one of the ones to get a girlfriend first and a very social person typical for fin is that he is very determined Egal ob Spielkarten, Tischtennis oder mit dem Computer, er gibt nicht auf what he really wants is to win a major it’s his dream therefore it is my dream for him to get that
2020-05-24 21:18
#121
gxx- | 
Belgium ZxTox 
W0xic is not shining that's the issue.
2020-05-24 21:23
#124
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Ireland KarLybop 
Maybe if Woxic played at the level he is expected to play at consistently and chrisj actually performs once in a while on CT, they would be good. Woxic is probably the most inconsistent awper in the Top 10.
2020-05-25 01:35
#128
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Poland boojack 
sad but true.....
2020-05-25 01:39
I don't think the problem is the young dudes in the team.
2020-05-25 01:52
Very reminiscent of the MIBR cycle: 1. The team's shit 2. Kick the worst player that's not called TACO 3. Replace him with some inexperienced guy, purely based off of stats and not his role and/or playstyle 4. Refuse to change your playstyle in the slightest and force the new player to fit it and expect massive changes within 2 months 5. Kick the newest addition 6. Repeat.
2020-05-25 01:57
#133
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United States fpsBonkers 
some of these points aren't wrong in a historical context, but you need to remember mousesports have always been much better on lan than online. we should wait to see how they perform when offline events come back before we make any roster moves.
2020-05-25 03:31
#135
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France Il_padrino 
Probably true. I was thinking the same. Bit it's maybe Online I don't know.
2020-05-25 10:45
#138
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Finland TuureBoelius 
bump
2020-06-24 17:40
we know its true bro, but ty for redpilling hltv on the karrigan question again!
2020-06-24 18:19
Watch, ChrisJ gonna be removed and it wont work
2020-06-24 18:20
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