You could say this about a lot of IGLs
I told you all this, and karrigan dickriders kept attacking me. I gave him the benefit of the doubt after he got kicked from Astralis, after the failure in Faze it is clear karrigan is the problem. This is what he does in any team. Join, win 1-2 tournaments, downfall, gets kicked. Time for him to look in the mirror.
+1 in every team he experienced it
Or maybe they are good in LAN and not online
+1 mouse should go back to german roster
step 5: -chrisj +styko next
step 5 - add sunny for more firepower
He just does NOT frag. If you want to be a top contender you need to frag as an IGL or just expect at least 2 players to go beast mode. That is just to much pressure for the stars of the team. Rops / Woxic no 25/30 bomb no win.
Well Karrigan has always been a shitty IGL. He will never build a stable and successful team
I like how mouz plays right now and I hope it doesn't happen like Karrigan's previous teams but I do think it's going occur soon.
Idk who you would even add or remove though, surely ChrisJ gets removed before Karrigan? But then who do you pick up in his place? What entry fragging or supportive players are available that are better than him?
"but not even close to an era"
Online CS doesn't mean shit
karrigan will never win a major :/
guess i did bump my thread after all
how about everybody stops overreacting to online cs
Shit is old, Karrigan is f'ing awsome.
lol you dumb
no igl could do this with mouz
faze was just dumb.
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#2 isnt always the case,TSM was great right after he joined,Faze was instantly good when they got enough talent with Niko
1. team starts to win
2. opposition works hard in finding a way to surpass your scheme
3. eventually they succeed
4. team cannot find a new successfull strategy to adapt it's current gameplay
5. another champion thrives
+1 most overrated shit IGL
karrigan is definitely the problem. every line up he's been IGL for has managed to get into the top 5 he can rally players, knows how to use them well but can't overcome the mental hurdle wants he's broken into the top 5.
You saw it with TSM, you saw it with FAZE and now with mouse
They come out losing games, they develop and build strats and teamwork and their game plans are on point the teams always end up looking really polished and have incredible cohesion.
Break into top 5, karrigan dismisses all game plans, all strategy and throws the team into more of a pug / 2015 fnatic scenario thinking confidence and results will make up for being lazy. however the players he has require structure and game plans because that's all they've had the chance to experience in their careers.
Ropz = amazing aimer, really good situational < meaning he needs others doing their planned roles.
Frozen = good aimer, left up to his own his decision making against top players usually leads to a loss
ChrisJ & woxic = capable of being free roaming players to fit a looser playstyle this make the way for ropz and frozen to shine in their allocated roles bringing the matches into the agreed upon game plan format.
Pretty much this.
All this happened with TSM, happened with different FaZe's rosters, has been happening with mouz right now.
+1 facts but deluded karrigan fanboys will attack you
after stage 4 there is a stage 4.5. They comeback just a little so karrigan buy some time but inevitable is coming.
then stage 5 6 7 8 and boomm karrigan got kicked
Well not really true.
Also clear you forget cs is a sport.
Like most socalled cs fans.
Cs pro scene is 30 teams, every team in top 30 is a pro team, is a very good team,
No one here could be on one of those teams.
Not every team can be the best. and for some that isnt even the goal.
karrigan is one of the best IGL ever, and he always brings something to a team, and improve it, like he did with Mouse.
Mouse is not where they want right now. true. but to blame karrigan for that dont really make sense when its the fraggers that overall fails.
And talking about eras.. what is it people dont get.. its so simple.
An era is something special. there have been 2 or 3 ever. just because you are number 1 for a time, or win. dont mean you have an era. 99% of all people and teams never get to be part of a team that have an era.
Its not how its meant to be, as said the pro scene is 30 teams. being among those 30 is good. more than most will ever get close to.
having an era is for a very very few players.
the number 10 team might be right where they mean to be, and the same with 20 and 30. not all teams are meant to be number 1.
in any sport. cs is no different.
Is karrigan the best IGL, no.
Is he the worst in top 30. also no.
People need to look at the teams he is ad, and the players on those teams.
Its become a thing and a meme just to say karrigan bad everytime other tings go wrong.
Ofc 98% of all on this site and cs fan isnt really fans, just haters of different things in cs. they dont enjoy the game, or understand it.
And the hate on karrigan is the same.
For what he is meant to do, he is doing it okay.
Mouse as a whole is however failing. mostly because people that is meant to hold, aim and kill dont do it.
karrigan is good at putting a team together, not so much playing the game
he should consider retiring and becoming a coach
when he left faze he was an absolute non-fragger, literally i could frag better than him and i have a full time job
U obviously do not know ur details about what happened at faze. They had somewhat succes from first event, as the though only days after he joined reached playoffs for the first time.
They won titles also before the got olof and guardian, and after.
Not that its all wrong what u say
mousesports are very inconsistent, they can play like TOP 1, and they can play like they would be some T2 team, or even worse. Also, karrigan isn't the problem in this roster.
More like Stage 7.
He'll probably be gone within the next 1-2 months, depending on upcoming events & if COVID makes LANS a probability again.
Karrigan havent proved me that hes top tier igl yet tbh, he has ropz, woxic, frozen in ur team, You dont even need to igl to win some tournaments with those players, give karrigan some tier 3 players and win tournaments with them and make them better players, then i believe.
karrigan and chrisj will get removed soon
I was sitting here thinking "ive seen this thread before" and then i realized its a month old.
He wasnt a classic nerdy computer kid in school he was one of the ones to get a girlfriend first and a very social person typical for fin is that he is very determined Egal ob Spielkarten, Tischtennis oder mit dem Computer, er gibt nicht auf what he really wants is to win a major it’s his dream therefore it is my dream for him to get that
W0xic is not shining that's the issue.
Maybe if Woxic played at the level he is expected to play at consistently and chrisj actually performs once in a while on CT, they would be good.
Woxic is probably the most inconsistent awper in the Top 10.
Very reminiscent of the MIBR cycle:
1. The team's shit
2. Kick the worst player that's not called TACO
3. Replace him with some inexperienced guy, purely based off of stats and not his role and/or playstyle
4. Refuse to change your playstyle in the slightest and force the new player to fit it and expect massive changes within 2 months
5. Kick the newest addition
some of these points aren't wrong in a historical context, but you need to remember mousesports have always been much better on lan than online. we should wait to see how they perform when offline events come back before we make any roster moves.
Probably true. I was thinking the same. Bit it's maybe Online I don't know.
Watch, ChrisJ gonna be removed and it wont work