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kennyS > ZywOo???
United States raymoney 
Kenny in his form right now is so sick. He has not been this good since like 2015 on Envy after the major win, but is he the best french AWPer right now??
2020-05-04 23:44
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Finland OldStager
2020-05-04 23:45
Poland rude_wredne
2020-05-04 23:45
United States raymoney
2020-05-04 23:46
Poland rude_wredne
2020-05-04 23:46
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2020-05-05 18:49
xD, in some parts i will agree with u
2020-05-06 13:40
Canada ASH1
2020-05-06 15:17
2020-05-06 17:10
North America humaa
avp kenny better but overall performance id say zewoo
2020-05-04 23:46
^ this right here
2020-05-05 17:33
idk that might not even be true... Kenny can do everything, he can play pistols really well, and despite what everyone would think, he's a great rifler !
2020-05-06 11:10
Zywoo id on another level as a rifler...
2020-05-06 11:56
Ahmm what? KennyS is really good and he has good form rn...but i dont think anyone but s1mple is even close to be better than zywoo even though Vitality struggles a lot rn....but thats not really zywoos fault imo
2020-05-06 12:25
Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
s1mple is "close" to be better. LMAO S1mple is by a mile better than Zywho:
2020-05-06 13:23
I never said simple is not better lmao Id put them both on the same level though....dont compare rhem, just enjoy watching both of them and appreciate ronaldo and messi inbfootball
2020-05-06 14:03
Kenny had one of the highest peaks as an awper, and back then it was rating 1.0 on hltv
2020-05-06 17:12
lol... ofc zywoo is the better player overall
2020-05-06 13:17
I also think that kenny's underrated on rifles, but still far from Zywoo's level.
2020-05-06 16:59
North America humaa
theres no denying kennys a great rifler but zywoo is just way better
2020-05-06 19:02
2020-07-16 15:36
+1 Absolutely. I prefer Kenny's AWP over that of ZywOo, but ZywOo is arguably better with rifles than with the AWP.
2020-05-06 14:07
Yeah kenny's style is unique
2020-05-06 17:08
of course, has anyone who think Zywoo is the best in the world?
2020-05-04 23:47
2020-05-06 11:28
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Singapore ZyZy
2020-05-06 12:31
United States Frotha
2020-05-04 23:52
2020-05-04 23:54
2020-05-05 17:49
kennyS reaction time > ZywOo consistency >
2020-05-04 23:55
2020-05-06 11:21
+1 of course Zywoo is better overall
2020-05-06 12:16
2020-05-06 12:19
bro :((((
2020-05-06 12:29
KennyS best Human awper, zywoo alien awper
2020-05-06 12:26
ZywOo will still smash him face-to-face
2020-05-04 23:58
North America humaa
haha nice jok men
2020-05-05 16:33
zywoo can only beat kennys in baguette eating major
2020-05-05 16:47
North America humaa
in any eating major tbh
2020-05-05 16:54
only in eating major
2020-05-05 16:55
they are french fries
2020-05-05 16:55
At least he can attend a major unlike jamppi:p
2020-05-06 12:26
idc if jamppi cant..)) i dont follow him cuz of some shitty majors
2020-05-06 14:43
Well u talk shit, i Talk shit:)
2020-05-06 16:54
u can talk shit as much as u want i dont really care xd
2020-05-06 17:12
2020-05-05 16:46
Maybe if he can keep this form
2020-05-04 23:59
India _Jazz_
Rn, yes
2020-05-05 16:41
Brazil _Awper
there is no player like zywoo since this game launched... He carries 4 bots and still is the best player having to do that..
2020-05-05 16:45
titan kennys
2020-05-05 16:55
Brazil _Awper
He had good teammates at the time
2020-05-05 17:02
on paper yes in game no
2020-05-05 17:11
Brazil _Awper
Rpk and Apex in 2014-2015 were great, specially Apex...
2020-05-05 17:12
yes but kennys was carrying always
2020-05-05 17:13
Brazil _Awper
Carrying good to average players is different than what Zywoo do... Niko, S1mple, F0rest, also carried bad teams, but no one did like Zywoo.
2020-05-05 17:16
Niko carrying Mouse. His players we trash
2020-05-06 11:06
Not all of them were trash first of all + zywoo won big tourneys and got finals with this team, niko didnt really get toobfar with miuz didnt he?
2020-05-06 12:28
Don't even try to tell me that Mouse had better players than Vitality because that's ridicoulous
2020-05-06 12:30 If you can't see that Vitality got a better squad than Mouse you are being stupid. I haven't said Niko were better than Zywoo, but saying Mouse had good players and Vitality hasn't is not a great argument
2020-05-06 12:34
Where did i say that lmao
2020-05-06 14:04
"Not all of them were trash first of all" So you made an argument saying that all Vitality players are trash while Mouse players wasn't. That's not true at all
2020-05-06 18:56
Yes not all of them were trash and not all of vitality is trash lol
2020-05-06 22:36
lol, you seriously compare Titan 2015 to Vitality? apex > apex maniac << shox rpk < rpk ex6tenz <<<<< misuta kennys > zywoo Titan 2015 was like kennyS playing in level 10 faceit with 4 level 5 premades, while Vitality actually has better "individual" skill except apex, that was better in 2015
2020-05-06 12:05
guardian 2015 looked the same zywoo is also the player who gets by far the most utility from his teammates
2020-05-05 17:17
zywoo is also the player who plays entry unlike others mentioned
2020-05-05 17:32
It depends how you look at it. Yes he does entry a lot but thats mostly with flashbangs from his teammates for picks. When they actually execute onto a site he doesnt run in first ever. Neither does s1mple in navi tho, but s1mple still uses his flashes to get boombl4 and electronic into positions. If anything the highest "entryfraggers" who run in first on executes to place in hltv rankings are either 2017 rain (4), 2018 dupreeh (5), 2017 fer(3), or 2018 electronic (4)
2020-05-05 17:42
Zywoo creates space for his team while navi creates space for simple, thats the difference. Obviously no team is stupid enough to use their best player as entry, yet zywoo is entrying way more than simple is. And no, vitality under apex' lead is not playing around zywoo anymore like they did with alex
2020-05-05 17:47
Neither are Na'Vi with simple, what is up with this double standarts? Just check entry kills and flash assists, s1mple clearly is not less of a teamplayer than zywoo, in this case it shows that he flashes mores for his team than zywoo, so stop posting bs.
2020-05-06 12:15
they both bait whats the poin
2020-05-06 12:21
It is not baiting when the team willingly "dies" so they can get the trade and more.
2020-05-06 12:27
LOL yes bro Zywho entries after the 4 teammates that run before him die! PogChamp
2020-05-06 12:28
k then
2020-05-06 13:20
Opening kills have nothing to do with entry. Take your head out of your ass and watch them play. Zywoo runs in first with ak which you NEVER see simple do.
2020-05-06 13:55
Why would s1mple do it? electronic does it. He is atm a top3 rifler in the world, so no need to throw s1mple to the wolves, so to speak, when electronic is an entry fragger for Na'Vi most of the time. s1mple is a mid pack player, and arguably the best there is.
2020-05-06 15:13
We are comparing zywoo & simple. Zywoo plays every role there is just to carry 4 bots. Simple baits 4 decent teammates to get 2 kills. And no, elec is definitely not top 3 entry just cuz of how inconsistent he is.
2020-05-06 17:26
Top 3 RIFLER, not entry. s1mple went to m4/ak when guardian was in Na'Vi, had guardian been good as he was before s1mple would have sticked to rifles, so he can definitly play more roles than just awp lol.
2020-05-06 17:48
And how did that go with simple? Ratings dropped more than EG's performance.
2020-05-06 18:53
His rating didn't drop below average man, he still went 1.2 rating, well above 95% of the PRO scene.
2020-05-06 19:44
Average for every teams starplayer. Low for someone that still baited his whole team.
2020-05-06 20:51
2020-05-05 16:46
2020-05-05 16:57
nt " ZYWOO RIFLE > ZYWOO AWP " Imagine comparing to the same person.
2020-05-05 17:06
Thats what every s0mple fan ever was doing when he switched to rifle
2020-05-05 17:26
when? it is your delusion lul
2020-05-05 17:28
???????????????? when GuardiaN was in navi
2020-05-05 17:28
Nt fatwh0. Back then, we wanted s1mple to return to awp again.
2020-05-05 17:30
thats...... what im saying..... s0mple fans were saying s0mple awp > s0mple rifle
2020-05-05 17:30
?????????????? We initially didn't want the guardian to come to the navi. Nt Zyw♿♿
2020-05-05 17:32
kinda ironic how you call him "fatwhoo" while na'vi has boombl4 which is legit the fattest player ever, he's resting his tits on the desk.
2020-05-06 11:22
2020-05-06 13:48
yes kennyS is better
2020-05-05 16:59
2020-05-05 17:50
kennyS way better with the awp, but with other guns
2020-05-05 17:05
kennyS good AWP but ZywOo better. If kennyS were better than ZywOo,he would atleast be best player on his team and top 2 in the world. Maybe best AWPer in 2020 after device but not more.
2020-05-05 17:07
best player in 2020 yeu mean miles over ecov1ce
2020-05-05 17:09
kekW who is best player 2020? ecohuNter best player on G2 and device is best player in the world.
2020-05-06 01:51
Dev1ce best in the world OMEGALUL
2020-05-06 11:05
device god tier player everyone else human,bot and bait tier players
2020-05-06 11:54
kennys - legend dev1ce human zywoo bot s1mple bait
2020-05-06 12:00
0/8 device- god kennyS- legend ZywOo- robot s0mple- bot cum bait
2020-05-06 12:08
change kennys and device and zywoo -ro and we good
2020-05-06 12:10
2020-05-06 12:23
kennys - god dev1ce - good zywoo - bot s0mple bait
2020-05-06 12:24
this is bait device- god kennyS- legend ZywOo- robot s0mple- bot cum bait
2020-05-06 12:25
pls rank them from worst to best IN 2020 i want too see
2020-05-06 12:25
really don't cry if you think it ain't good. s1mple device ZywOo kennyS
2020-05-06 12:28
2020-05-06 12:29
thx for laughing I'm happy that you atleast didn't cry
2020-05-06 12:30
Top 1 baiter hltv 1.s0|30mple_s4mple_NukeG0Ds0mple
2020-05-06 12:31
nt I ain't sam2k
2020-05-06 12:33
If you arent baiting i feel sad for you. Imagine being so delusional. If i had s1mple flair you would say he is the worst. If i had zywoo flair you would say zywoo is the worst. Delusional fanboy cry is free. Literally ecov1ce isnt even top 5 awper this year lol!
2020-05-06 12:34
lmao no bait. kennyS ain't best on his team. ZywOo is pretty good and better rated and recent performances are huge upgrades. I actually thought earlier kennyS was top 1 this year until that Katowice final. I'm a bit biased towards device but he is also very high rated and s1mple is highest among all. kennyS in a good team and in proper coordination ofc has better results but ZywOo is better rating wise.
2020-05-06 12:46
Ofc you will be better rated on a team that goes negati than on a team where every player is positive rated.
2020-05-06 12:56
don't you see it is pretty hard to win games and vitality is pretty much in fight in rtr only cuz of him. Literally no team has 4 shit players and 1 god carrying. ZywOo literally can carry them to trophy wins, not only game wins. Difference is kennyS sucks on T-sides while ZywOo doesn't and so ZywOo produces performances like Fnatic and kennyS does like mouz. kennyS wouldn't be as consistent as ZywOo in any game. ZywOo has power to close games but if kennyS is on T side, he can't lead the team.
2020-05-06 13:04
thats just false kenny was literally insane vs mouz on ct and t side (except train) he was basically smurfing on vertigo and he played dust2 not even a spin botter could carry so hard. The lose is not his fault awp is not the best weapon for ecos guys with mp9 should have closed the game. You comment makes no sense
2020-05-06 13:09
bruh dust CT was insane. 24 kills in first half but 2nd wasn't that insane. He got an insane 3k but not more. Seriously ZywOo literally gets 3k,4k consistently to win on T-sides. kennyS doesn't do that often plus his 3k was 2 midlurk kills and one on saving player. Seriously show me CT and T highlights, you'll see T are significantly less.
2020-05-06 13:36
2020-05-05 17:07
kennys > Zyw♿♿
2020-05-05 17:07
2020-05-05 17:49
2020-05-06 11:07
KennyS better awp I think, but zywoo better overall
2020-05-05 17:10
Algeria OuaniSsu
kenny best awper without doubt
2020-05-05 17:13
Awping isn't only about flicks and shit, zywoo gamesense makes him far better than kennys even as a awper.
2020-05-05 17:14
Really different play style kennyS is all about speed and ZyWOo is all about precision.
2020-05-05 17:20
Portugal joaosenra
ZywOo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KennyS problem solved
2020-05-05 17:28
2020-05-05 17:30
yeah so?
2020-05-06 11:15
#43 bias shit my post more accurate men)))
2020-05-06 11:16
+1 and kennyS has more maps
2020-05-06 11:17
do u seriously think kenny is the better player than zywoo? lmao
2020-05-06 13:19
yes kenny is "the" better player than zywoo. Look at this thread too its obvious
2020-05-06 13:20
Finland Jupe_
2020-05-05 17:30
Belgium Garytion
Yes better than zywoo (now)
2020-05-05 17:37
I think kenny has been more impressive than ZywOo this year so far.
2020-05-05 18:54
France s2ptik
yeah , exactly
2020-05-06 01:54
At this current time - yes Kenny is better :)
2020-05-06 01:57
According to Zywoo's recent performances and stats it's not that obvious even though KennyS is in great form which makes him one of the best player to look at rn.
2020-05-06 13:00
NAF | 
France Kurin
2020-05-06 11:26
right now even zywoo not in great form is better than kennys playing great , also zywoo most of the times show up while kennys choke when it matter the most.. for a team you definetly want zywoo over kennys as he is more calm, more stable and complete player
2020-05-06 12:03
yet in zywoo case the whole team plays for him and whole team goes negative while kennyS has a great team with both hunter and nexa posting great numbers(jackz and amanek do their roles amazing too). Kenny would post bigger number if the whole team played only around him but they dont. He is definetly better in 2020 and changing him is a downgrade. Proof to my statement is that zywoo dosent have any teammates in top players but kennys has nexa.
2020-05-06 12:14
teams doesn t play for zywoo, apex mentioned it in interview, they never made any strats for zywoo.. thats all bullshit of jealous people , they just are bot and zywoo carry, i guess you re too low level to see from your eyes than zywoo have to play insane if vitality want to be a top team
2020-05-06 13:25
EXACTLY! They are bots when the whole team goes negative ofc its going to be easier for you to go positive especially when you see how much they flash forhim and how he almost never goes first. By the way i dont understand where did you get "even tho zywoo not in great form".
2020-05-06 13:25
cause he is not playing like in the past , they flash for all players who peaks... it s not like zywoo has any special things for him, he had similar flash stats as his team mates.
2020-05-06 13:28
its not easier, when you loose and eco it s hard to get good stats, look at astralis 3 players in top 20 or maybe 4 i don t remember... the more you win them more your stats are good, zywoo and simple are on a other level compared to kennys imo kennys is not as a reliable player even if he can be great he choked way too many times to be a reliable player when it does matter
2020-05-06 13:31
We could assume that if you have better teammates you would have better performances within this team even though you're an average player. I don't know why so many people on HLTV see it the other way around. This is pretty much what happen to KennyS, he was struggling in the shox-Lucky version of G2 while is having great performances with the nexa-Hunter version. I'm not saying it explains everything but I can see some correlations here especially when you have nexa, a real IGL compare to shox, who acknowledged that KennyS was one of the greatest player he ever played with and he was trying to put him in the best conditions to perform (which is a smart choice from my pov). On the other hand, you have Zywoo, one of the greatest carry of all time, with average teammates and no proper IGL atm, who still managed to put insane numbers (vita-fnatic being the last example) and some people still think he wouldn't be that good with better teammates who wouldn't supposedly play around him. This doesn't make any sense to me and sounds like pure fiction. To be fair, I think KennyS is a great player and his recent performances makes him one of the best to look at right now, but I think Zywoo is a well-rounded player with more potential and would be even greater, or at least more consistent, with better teammates, not the opposite.
2020-05-06 13:55
Lol. For example kennyS had his peak in 2014-2015 and he had better stats in 2014 ( where he carried 4 faceit lvl 3s in titan) and in 2015 he had like much worse stats even tho he was still a beast and even won a major. Its funny that the players with the best stats are usually in the worst teams. KennyS best stats ever were in titan where he carried. S1mple best stats 2018 navi where he had to play with washed up players. Zywoo best stats in 2019 now good in 2020 because he is playing with washed up vitality. How can kennys have 2.00 rating when even the G2 IGL gets aces and everyone does their job right when in vitality zywoo has to do everything except entry. Weird that woxic or dev1ce dont have insane stats - thats because they are in good teams.
2020-05-06 13:59
I think the 3 players you mentioned could be very well the exceptions that proves the rule. Those 3 were in god mod respectively in 2014, 2018 and 2019 and they would have been great no matter the teammates they would have played with, and their is no proof to think otherwise except if you consider a coincidence for a proof. You said "How can kennys have 2.00 rating when even the G2 IGL gets aces and everyone does their job" but I could ask you why he didn't have a 2.00 rating in the shox-Lucky G2 version where not everyone was doing his job? I'm not trying to trick you here, I'm just suggesting that having better teammates could have a positive impact on your personal performances and I don't think it's a crazy thing to say and I'm quite surprised tbh some people could think otherwise, that it. About device (no point to bring w0xic in this discussion), we could assume that he wouldn't be that consistent, which is his main characteristic as a player, if he wasn't playing with gla1ve and others but of course, we will never know and it will remain some entertaining fictions we are sharing on HLTV.
2020-05-06 15:06
You are ignoring the main point - as soon as kenny changed his team his rating dropped even tho he was a beast and even won a major. Its just logic that when you have an insane team you will have worse rating. Its obvious from watching the games that kennyS is currently maybe the best awper rn. Its either kennyS or s1mple rn. I brought woxic int othe conversation because you can see from him playing that he is very skilled even tho lower rating. Thats because he has a good team
2020-05-06 15:47
(How many accounts do you have?) "Its just logic that when you have an insane team you will have worse rating." to be honest, I don't see any logic here. As I said KennyS in 2014, Zywoo in 2019 and s1mple (any time) are probably the exceptions that could prove the rule which would be "the better your teammates are, the better your performance will be if playing against players of the same level, except for players who are playing like God himself for whom that rule doesn't apply". That sounds more logical to me because this rule can be applied to the vast majority of CS players except for the prodigies mention above, where no rule makes sense because those cases are to rare and challenge the odds. For an example, to keep the fiction alive, who is likely to have better performance IN THE LONG RUN versus the top5, KennyS playing with random, bot, nonamer and noob, or KennyS playing with the G2 current roster? And if the example is too extreme, imagine KennyS performance with the new G2 and old G2 vs the same top5 and tell what are your thoughts about it.
2020-05-06 16:25
(I only have this account buzeG2) - Kennys playing with random bots(especially if they play around him like vitality around zywoo) than with current g2. The only difference kennyS with bots will achieve much less than kennyS with g2 but kennyS with bots will have a better rating. The only way i can think of someones performance dropping with worse teams is lack of motivation to play.
2020-05-06 16:28
(I was asking because you mention w0xic in your last comment which was mention by very_smart_hltv_user earlier...). Ok, and now lets imagine YOU are the one playing with 4 bots vs top5 and got transfered in the G2 squad instead of Amanek, in which case do you think you would have better performance in the long run vs the top5?
2020-05-06 16:51
No ofc when playing with bots you will farm kills and still probably lose whem playing with a more skilled team that focuses on winning you wont have such good stats. If a team wants to win something they wont play for your stats like navi and vitylity for zywho and s0mple
2020-05-06 16:45
You're not answering the question. In which fiction do you honestly think you would have better stats and better performance vs top5? In the bot team or the G2 squad?
2020-05-06 16:58
In the bot team ofcourse. They play for you so you have good stats but you never achieve anything - just like s1mple and zywoo currently
2020-05-06 16:58
So, if I understand, you prefer to compare yourself to s1mple and Zywoo and keep it absurd instead of acknowledging your logic isn't very logical?
2020-05-06 17:07
Because im talking about people that play good. If you are a bot in a bot team then you get to a better team you will probably have slightly better results. And probably lower the possibilities of the team achieving something
2020-05-06 17:10
The logical and honest answer to my question would have been "I'm more likely to have better stats, even though they wouldn't be that good, with G2 than playing with randoms vs the top5". Here is my point, no matter how good or bad you are, the better your teammates are, the better (or less shitty) your performance should be according to your own standards. This is pure logic and I don't see any reason why this logic wouldn't apply to pro players as well.
2020-05-06 17:22
device had very good stats ... 3 of 2019 ..woxic is not in same league why you mention that name lul also zywoo in 2014 would have been a monster.. did you noticed level of cs always get higher and not the other way around ? performance of the past means nothings .. apex was a god at that time too , shox nbk where all great players..the level of the game is way higher so they can t perform like 6 years ago.. their lot of better players todays.
2020-05-06 15:26
no response... funny but expected
2020-05-06 13:23
Lol shut after 2015, > 17 best in 2017
2020-05-06 12:07
Turkey cocukjazz
zywoo will be top 5 in 2020
2020-05-06 12:12
not even top 20
2020-05-06 13:17
United States tylertempo
he was really fucking legit in 2017
2020-05-06 12:13
shit troll bait thread admins delete plz
2020-05-06 12:32
Yes he is a better team player than zywoo
2020-05-06 12:35
kennys is best awper than zywoo but he (zywoo) can take any weapon and being a monster
2020-05-06 12:39
prime Kenny>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>zybot in his prime (last year)
2020-05-06 12:41
All veteran AWPers including Allu are better than ZywOo in 2020.
2020-05-06 12:42
2020-05-06 13:47
i think he is best with awp but overall zywoo better player
2020-05-06 12:47
ofc zywoo is better, u have to be delusional to think otherwise
2020-05-06 13:20
If kennyS plays like 2015 it would be awesome
2020-05-06 13:24
kennys 2020> 2015. wtf R you smoking ?
2020-05-06 16:47
Poland DaVarrix
2020-05-06 14:05
hell no
2020-05-06 14:06
Europe bandii
2020-05-06 14:44
zywoo's gamesense is unbelievable, man. He looks like a cheater. kenny is not at his level. sry.
2020-05-06 15:49
kennyS is in a very good form. Most importantly he makes highlight clips vs all tier 1 top 5 teams. I can happily say that kennys 2019 end - 2020 > kennyS 2017-2019. Hope G2 wins something big or major.
2020-05-06 16:46
it would make me happy to see g2 winning major and kennys mvp they deserve it
2020-05-06 17:51
zywoo > kennyS. zywoo's game sense and IQ are on a different level
2020-05-06 16:58
2020-05-06 17:51
yeah kennys is better in 2020
2020-05-06 17:51
Best hltv user +1
2020-05-06 20:53
thank you mens)))
2020-05-06 21:35
atm mb but i think zywoo is just in a bad shape he will go back to his 2019 performance
2020-05-06 19:49
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