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AWP not OP btw))))
Brazil Alpha_Brazilian 
i.imgur.com/nBGJWDK.png Bots like allu, Farlig and Maka outperfoming the likes of NiKo, Magisk, coldzera, nexa, huNter, Brollan, flusha. Even BOT MSL with 1.07 rating (better than rain) and 1.16 impact thanks to the awp XDXDXDXD "Balanced btw" kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-05-18 10:02
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Spain VerySpanishGuy 
kkkkkkkkk
2020-05-18 10:02
#86
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Spain BlaNcoW 
kkkkkkkkkkk
2020-05-18 12:40
jajajjajajajajajjajajajajajajajjaa
2020-05-20 13:24
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Russia nobody_cars 
cry
2020-05-18 10:04
#24
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Latvia Mikeeeey 
ok he isn't even crying xDDD
2020-05-18 10:20
#53
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United Kingdom Vitheeshan 
yh he is?
2020-05-18 10:44
#119
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Latvia Mikeeeey 
ok
2020-05-18 12:57
#300
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Belgium papaD3e 
cry
2020-05-20 09:23
#398
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Latvia Mikeeeey 
???? huh
2020-05-21 18:01
cry
2020-05-21 19:13
#405
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Latvia Mikeeeey 
ok
2020-05-21 22:49
who cry ?
2020-05-23 08:33
#418
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Russia nobody_cars 
cry
2020-05-23 08:46
ok
2020-05-23 08:46
he literally is
2020-05-18 12:47
#118
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Latvia Mikeeeey 
ok
2020-05-18 12:57
yes, he is
2020-05-18 12:49
#105
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Latvia Mikeeeey 
ok
2020-05-18 12:53
he is
2020-05-18 12:55
#117
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Latvia Mikeeeey 
ok
2020-05-18 12:57
i am unable to can agree with you, he is.
2020-05-18 13:14
#185
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Latvia Mikeeeey 
ok
2020-05-18 13:49
ok
2020-05-18 18:17
Has little to do with the weapon and everything to do with the economy. AWP is the most expensive weapon so teams play around it to get it kills and save it a lot, both of which boost stats. If you consider the fact that the AWP is almost twice the price of the AK it basically has to get twice the amount of kills to be as effective. Also not sure why you're acting like Maka and Farlig are bad players. They popped off in RtR. If the AWP was as broken as you say it is teams would use more than 1-2 per round when possible.
2020-05-18 10:06
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk "economy" Saving meta + new economy = awp every round And when the awper dies people can just pick it up again, drop, and rebuy only 2700/3100, not every awper death will cost him 4750. Very few do actually. Maka 277 awp kills 23 m4 kills kkkkkk, yes very hard weapon to buy
2020-05-18 10:06
By that logic why do teams only buy 1-2 AWPs then? If its so easy to have one and is so strong then why dont teams use 4 of them?
2020-05-18 10:07
Because the awp is boring as fuck and most people would rather quit the game than have to play with it reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/f4.. Same reason as to why the Krieg was left untouched for years, everyone knew it was strong but no one enjoys playing with COD gun.
2020-05-18 10:07
What a trash reason. Teams would rather lose than use the AWP more? Really? Thats your argument? Coming from a scene where teams have abused pixelwalking to literally see through the map and you're gonna tell me theyre refusing to use a weapon?
2020-05-18 10:12
Very low IQ comment by you. They would not "lose" or "win" more, the only thing that would happen is a meta swing, that's it. The same happened to the Krieg, every team was using m4/ak, one team started abusing the Krieg like geeks and broke the gentleman's code of CS, this team was able to get an advantage for only a couple of days, then the meta changed and winrates went back to normal, but everyone started less fun with CS. The same would happen with 4 awp meta on CT side.
2020-05-18 10:15
Actually makes no sense. If the meta changes thats because thats the preferred way of playing and therefore gives you a greater chance of winning. Teams that used the kreig had an advantage over teams that didnt. See Vitality and Faze who struggled more during the kreig meta cause they didnt adapt.
2020-05-18 10:16
"Preferred" lol, what a misuse of a word. You seem to be an awp abuser in denial, so I won't bother repeating the same arguments of my old thread, you can try getting destroyed there if you want: hltv.org/forums/threads/2263050/awp-is-o..
2020-05-18 10:18
0/8 no argument. Already destroyed your dumbass in that thread anyway
2020-05-18 10:19
>linked a thread with 30 arguments because I don't wanna keep repeating myself >"no argument" The mind of an awp abuser in display.
2020-05-18 10:19
And you're gonna reply in that thread even though you dont wanna reply here? No you're just giving up lmao. Ive already countered all the arguments in that thread here.
2020-05-18 10:21
In there I can just # the post I already debunked an argument instead of rewriting everything. Anything else?
2020-05-18 10:22
Yikes but you have yet to debunk my argument in that thread cause i destroyed you there. Economy counters your entire argument. As does the fact that the AWP isnt the most widely used weapon
2020-05-18 10:23
Point •3 of my other thead
2020-05-18 10:23
So your argument is that the AWP is easy to obtain through the economy system. So that means a lot of players should be able to buy it. So then why dont 3 players buy it on CT side when they can if its OP?
2020-05-18 10:30
ily man this brasil favela got destroyed men))
2020-05-18 10:32
Ez!!!
2020-05-18 10:33
((Reply needs to have actual content
2020-05-18 10:34
Your argument makes no sense and seems quite desperate tbh, you're mixing use rate with economy, decide what you want to talk about. You talked about the AWP being the most expensive weapon in the game, and I proved that the bigger price is irrelevant when someone like Maka is able to maintain a use ratio of 277 awp kills to 23 m4 kills, meaning over 85% of his CT SIDE (the most EXPENSIVE and COSTLY side) gunround kills are with the awp. Not even the most delusional awp abusers would argue that the price makes ANY difference considering this overall picture.
2020-05-18 10:34
But you're arguing that the AWP is OP. If its OP it would be used by everyone, not just 1 person on the team. Dont you think teams would use the OP weapon as much as possible? Why then do they restrict themselves to a maximum of 2 at most times?
2020-05-18 10:41
You just destroyed him in that argument contest haha
2020-05-18 10:44
smile
2020-05-18 10:44
No arguments regarding the price and "expensive" discussion, so I'll consider that this matter is settled and that you agree that the higher price is irrelevant. Now, before I talk about the use, let me make something extremely clear: I'm saying the AWP is OVERPOWERED. Something can be slightly overpowered, just overpowered, extremely overpowered, or straight-up broken. The Krieg and the AUG were overpowered, but not every rifler was picking it up, the OLD AWP was even more overpowered, and it was nerfed, but not every player was using it, the use rate was probably lower than what it is right now. Also, when your main argument is about the price, and you can't say anything after I point out use rates, I pretty much already won the debate. A strong, easy weapon that has the downside of "cost" being irrelevant is indeed already overpowered, and the 2019 economy changes only accentuated that. Now, about the use. Everyone knows that the best awpers nowadays (s1mple, device, and ZywOo) were riflers, and some of them even say that they would rather rifle, and that happens because the weapon is boring as fuck. As s1mple said, he only started awping because it's the easiest weapon in the game. Being a CS:GO pro is already a hard task, you have to grind the game 7 days a week, now imagine doing so when you have to play and abuse something as unsatisfying and easy as the AWP, only a few are able to hand this torture. Second, the awp has one weakness indeed, and that's why HAVU used 4 awps and 1 auto sniper when coming back in that 5 snipers game. When an awper gets rushed and he mollies an entrance, the Ts are able to smoke it and rush through their own smoke, and in this kamikaze move the awper is usually "ONLY" able to get 1~2 kills before falling back, while a rifler would be able to get 3~4 kills. So, adding the complete boredom that is playing with the awp with the fact that a m4 would be able to get more kills when players are kamikazing through a smoke, some players would rather keep their mental health and rifle. Anything else? Any desperate last arguments?
2020-05-18 11:02
So the AWP is weaker in certain situations yet its OP, has clear counters/outplay potential, but its OP? You see how this doesnt really add up right? Again you're telling me that a scene thats known for finding insane, sometimes gamebreaking boosts to get free kills would refuse to use a weapon because its boring? Surely Olofboost was boring in the same way then, killing people who literally cant even see you from a god spot, but teams still do it. At the highest levels its not about whats fun and whats boring its about what wins games cause thats what they make their livelihood on. The fact that your argument boils down to "its boring" shows you have no stake. Desperate af for an alternative reason when the actual reason is right in front of you. ITS NOT OP CAUSE OF THE COST. A weapon being easy to use doesnt make it OP. The Mp9 and p90 are easy to use compared to the AK, doesnt make them OP.
2020-05-18 11:10
"So the AWP is weaker in certain situations yet its OP, has clear counters/outplay potential, but its OP?" I wouldn't call the weakness of "only" getting 1~2 kills before falling back safely in an extremely specific situation a "clear counter", hehe. "Olofboost" A pixelwalk boost doesn't require you to use something boring and unpleasant 7 days a week for years, it takes 5 minutes to learn. "A weapon being easy to use doesnt make it OP. The Mp9 and p90 are easy to use compared to the AK, doesnt make them OP." They don't kill in one shot to the body. "ITS NOT OP CAUSE OF THE COST." Again, when you're able to afford an awp in 85% of the gunrounds in the most expensive side of the game, it means it's not costly enough, simple as that. Re-read what I said about different degrees of overpowered. You seem like a pretty delusional awp abuser, so I'll ask you this one question to see how truly delusional you are: Do you think the 2015 awp deserved to get nerfed?
2020-05-18 11:15
I wouldn't call the weakness of "only" getting 1~2 kills before falling back safely in an extremely specific situation a "clear counter", hehe. A well coordinated execute prevents most AWP angles and is therefore very easy to trade. Getting 1 kill with the AWP is never worth it because of the price, it needs to multifrag when pressured. An Olofboost is equally as boring, based on your logic, its free kills, so why would they get boring free kills? Btw if its so easy to use why do they have to practice it so much? "They don't kill in one shot to the body." They dont cost 4750 either. " it means it's not costly enough, simple as that. " If its OP and not costly enough why dont 4 CTs AWP? Youve still yet to be able to answer this question besides saying "its boring" which isnt a valid argument. Yes cause it was too easy to get entries even at disadvantageous angles.
2020-05-18 11:22
So easy... Your answer to my question"Do you think the 2015 AWP deserved to get nerfed?" was "Yes cause it was too easy to get entries even at disadvantageous angles.". Something gets nerfed in order to balance out a game, meaning it was unbalanced, overpowered before the nerf took place. The 2015 AWP wasn't used by 3~4 players per team, and it was actually even more expensive than what it is right now, because of the old economy. By agreeing that the 2015 AWP deserved to get nerfed, you just concurred that a weapon doesn't have to be used by an entire team to warrant a nerf, and that being more expensive also doesn't make it immune to being weakened, going against your two main and flawed arguments. I never lost a debate in HLTV, and today won't be the first. This debate is over. /close
2020-05-18 11:33
Incredibly weak argument lmao. Just wanted to see how desperate you were for an out. The AWP was never OP . "/close" AKA I concede. Thanks :) youtube.com/watch?v=rsFnJYJ2buU
2020-05-18 11:47
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Malaysia Amerka! 
thank you
2020-05-20 08:20
delusional?
2020-05-20 09:01
#399
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United States America! 
Actually stupid lmao
2020-05-21 18:07
I literally countered the expensive argument in the first line. If the price wasnt an issue teams would buy A LOT more AWPs. if the AWP was the same price as the AK we would see 3-4 AWPs every round
2020-05-18 11:08
Use rates? Its only used by 1 player primarily on each side and sometimes not even used on the T side of some maps, what does that say about the use rates?
2020-05-18 11:30
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Russia d0lbaeb 
bro this BR guy is retard, dont waste your time
2020-05-18 10:36
I already lost my time when I tried to read all this tread :D
2020-05-20 09:42
So your argument is that the AWP is easy to obtain through the economy system. So that means a lot of players should be able to buy it So then why dont 3 players buy it on CT side when they can if its OP?
2020-05-18 10:25
Well its clearly less versatile but IMO its clear to see many players lean on it, now there is an argument that many team just give the awp to their best player, but i belive we also see players get inflated stats when they have the AWP. Think of Olof, over 1.0 with awp, 0.90 with a rifle, when i see riflers who dont awp pick up the awp and get a 4k like shox did it shows me the AWP is far too easy to use, it also negates many things that are aspects of CS like spray control, tap timing, precise synchronisation of moving and shooting, all of this can be negated, you also add in crouch moving accuracy and it makes it so so you can run around and as soon as you see anyone just hit crouch and scope then shoot and if you arent useless youll get the kill most of the time and the crouch will likely evade the first shot. S1mple himself said the weapon is extremely easy to use i think this idea that is has a high skill ceiling and is hard to use is a myth, i would like to see it adjusted not nerfed, i think its too easy to use to a decent level. I personally find when im having a bad game and i cant hit shit ill just awp and ill still drop 20-25 kills by the end of the game and often win, to me the skill it takes to rifle far outweigh the skill it takes to awp, id like to see the awp made harder to use but still as powerful for high skilled players. An idea i had was to increase its movement speed so you can be hyper agressive on picks but maybe reduce its OHK zone or make its reload time between shots longer so players cant just keep taking mindless repeeks without the enemy having a chance to trade.
2020-05-18 18:29
Okay so lets say you have a team that is pretty weak individually, like lets say 100T vs Liquid. Pretty clear Liquid has the better aimers. Why dont 100T just 5 AWP so they can "lean" on it? Olofs stats were boosted by living more, his KPR and impact was still similar. "S1mple himself said the weapon is extremely easy to use" Gun being easy to use doesnt make it OP. It costs 2.5k more than the average rifle, it should be stronger. " personally find when im having a bad game and i cant hit shit ill just awp and ill still drop 20-25 kills by the end of the game and often win," Thing is if you face decent players who adapt youll get countered and will fuck your economy.
2020-05-20 09:26
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Netherlands staticNL 
+1 that guy is an absolute idiot. just ignore him
2020-05-20 09:22
*second most extensive The rest +1 . Only Noobs who only play dust 2 cry that AWP is op.
2020-05-18 10:07
In the pro meta its the most expensive. Thats what the comment was based on
2020-05-18 10:07
Then,I am sorry. But AWP is not op
2020-05-18 10:09
Not sure why you're sorry, never said it was OP lmao?? wrong person???
2020-05-18 10:09
Wrong person and I somehow mixed two replies into one.
2020-05-18 10:15
Fit with your nickname bro, np
2020-05-20 09:53
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Slovakia SLAVak 
Only noobs don't realize that M249 is trully the most OP weapon in cs. With it's insane one tap potential and unlimited bullets
2020-05-18 13:43
+1 this guy is clueless lol
2020-05-18 10:29
+1
2020-05-18 11:12
MOST EXPENSIVE WEAPON????? YOU MUST HAVE NEVER PLAYED COUNTER STRIK GLOBE OFFENSE BECAUSE M249 IS LITTTERALLY SO MUCH MORE THAN IT AND ALSO 9999999999x BETTER> AUTO SNIP TOO. ABSOLUTO N00BE
2020-05-18 18:42
0/8 you're gonna need to work on your baits, this is utter trash
2020-05-18 18:43
And thats why you got baited into replying with this.
2020-05-18 18:48
0/8
2020-05-20 07:52
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Russia R3YBAH 
0/8
2020-05-18 10:05
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Hungary EZ4WINLANDIA 
Yes, it's balanced, because it costs more than other guns. /close
2020-05-18 10:05
+1
2020-05-18 10:06
+1
2020-05-18 10:42
+1
2020-05-20 11:01
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Europe Niko0 
0/8. If AWP is so op why there is no 5 awp's in every team?
2020-05-18 10:07
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Ukraine Najara 
every game 5 awp on dedust2 LUL LE btw
2020-05-18 10:07
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Europe Niko0 
I wasnt talking about silver games. I meant pro scene
2020-05-18 10:08
OP != Broken There's definitely an argument wetter it's OP or not, it's the weapon with the most impact in the game, extremely good to find opening picks (check openings' stats, most are awpers), very good at holding angles etc. You can argue it's supposed to have high impact due to price, but sometimes it's very hard to punish awpers, due to wallbanging being very bad in csgo etc. In games like 1.6 it's easy to punish the awper, heck, I'll even mention valorant, where the awp feels way harder to use and you won't see it that much. I'm not an awper but in csgo I'll pick it up sometimes and the gun is not hard to use at all, I can pick it up and have impact pretty easily, in 1.6 I wouldn't even touch it... In GO it feels so easy to pick up and just peek. Can't believe movement speed was even better before.
2020-05-18 10:31
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Europe Niko0 
No one cares about your silver mm experience with awp. At low level games its obviously better gun since no one uses utility and cant spray with rifles. Sure, its a good gun to get opening picks at long ranges, but if you miss your shot once, its over, or if there is 2 guys peeking same angle.
2020-05-18 10:38
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Europe KappaKaako 
The old awp was the shit with the likes of kennyS and JW recking shit even smithzz was decent on dust2. I would call the old AWP a bit op.
2020-05-18 10:33
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Lithuania UnReportable 
this was talked about hundreds of fking time, can you retards just stfu already lmao. Awp boosts your stats insanely, cause of numerous things like saving etc, it doesn't mean that those kills have much impact and win you the rounds, if you havent noticed riflers are usually ending the rounds, awpers open up rounds.
2020-05-18 10:40
true it boosts ur stats immensely but in round its not necessary as impactful as stats say, if u nerf the stats it can die totally, but imo it could survive like a 500-1000$ price increase, but then again, this would result in even more passive plays and more saves, which would result in even more boosted stats probably
2020-05-18 10:40
I have to agree with my brazilian friend, even a slight nerf like reducing magazine size to 5 would be appreciated, 10 bullets just rewards whiffing many shots, spending 9 bullets and still getting a 4k seems to be a special even in higher ranks. Whilst there are gods with the awp, it's not an hard weapon to pick up, learn and get impact in games.
2020-05-18 10:35
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Lithuania UnReportable 
if you are allowed to shoot 10 bullets you are playing against bad players my friend
2020-05-18 10:36
That's not the point here, but yes, obviously getting that many shots off with the awp is not a good sign. Giving the awp 5 bullets would restrict it a little bit more.
2020-05-18 10:38
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Lithuania UnReportable 
if you are allowed to shoot 5 bullets you are playing against bad players my friend
2020-05-18 10:38
usually u reposition after a couple shots, always reload during that lul
2020-05-18 10:39
The old AWP was a bit OP, not now
2020-05-18 10:36
depends, after the economy changes AWP became so much easier to get throughout the match that i personally believe it is what makes it too strong rn. Its just too strong for how easy to get it is rn.
2020-05-18 12:59
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CIS Fake2flaggeR8 
allu isn't bot, zoomer.
2020-05-18 10:41
we should go back to old economy system , the game now is all about jame time .
2020-05-18 10:43
Because the awper gets better positions than the rest of the team?
2020-05-18 11:11
this gun needs to be removed imo...
2020-05-18 11:34
Would make the game way better and the skill ceiling would be way higher, sadly it will never happen
2020-05-18 11:58
lmfao nope
2020-05-18 12:24
Dude I used to ESEA A+ when I played this game, the game would 100% be better if it was removed. The reason this game is CT sided no matter how dogshit they make the M4 is because of the AWP.
2020-05-20 07:59
The game isnt that CT sided tho, theyre pretty balanced despite the AWP and thats not a reason to nerf the gun. I guarantee without the AWP the game would be much more T sided than it is currently CT sided. You being A+ isnt an argument Your opinion with 0 reasons isnt an argument. The AWP is in a good position, you pay 2k more to have a longer effective range. If the AWP were OP it would be used by everyone, not just 1-2 people per team. Tell me why people dont buy 4 AWPs on CT side if its OP?
2020-05-20 08:01
#68 If you're just gonna call people silvers for having a different opinion, don't get mad when people post stats. The awp is cancerous on almost every map that has long corridors, which is most maps in the game. The only map where I consider the awp balanced is cache, because it's easy to smoke an awper and if the awper messes up they're done for. On D2 you can just keep falling back for better spots. And don't say "just flash bro", you can flash any weapon in the game it's not unique to the awp. And the awp is the least flashable weapon in the game since most people at high level play narrow angles.
2020-05-20 08:05
The AWP has pretty clear counters on every map and if you know smokes like you do on Cache its just as easy to counter. Thats why you double peek btw, cant think of a single angle that cant be countered by nades/double peeking. You havent posted any stats btw I feel like you are only considering what the gun does and not the price of the gun. 4750 is A LOT of money, its balanced by price. Again if it was so easy to AWP on D2 and so strong then why dont 4 people AWP?
2020-05-20 08:09
"Again if it was so easy to AWP on D2 and so strong then why dont 4 people AWP?" This isn't an argument dude, stop spamming it on every reply. Just because something has a niche purpose doesn't make it not OP. Obviously you're not gonna buy 4 of something that's only useful in certain parts of the round, but is way too useful in those scenarios. Most people at high level just save the awp if they're ever in trouble, which offsets the cost. I used to use the awp pretty often dude, it's a very low skill easy weapon. Even s1mple thinks so.
2020-05-20 08:13
Actually, yes it does. OP implies its good in all situations, you're citing that there are many situations where the AWP isnt strong therefore its not OP. Do you know what OP means??? "Obviously you're not gonna buy 4 of something that's only useful in certain parts of the round, but is way too useful in those scenarios." If its only good sometimes its not OP How can a gun be niche and OP at all times, thats a true cotradiction. The gun being low skill doesnt make it OP. The mp9 and p90 are relatively low skill, they arent OP
2020-05-20 08:16
"Do you know what OP means???" Overpowered is completely subjective. Go read a dictionary dude, nowhere does it say "good in all situations". That's your personal opinion of what OP means. This is a worthless argument anyway. It's pretty obvious you're just gonna shoehorn definitions that aren't necessarily correct, but fit your side. Low skill, high reward typically does imply something is too strong.
2020-05-20 08:19
The word overpowered isnt in the dictionary cause its a gamer word. But anyway its pretty obvious that something which is Overpowered would want to be used whenever possible which isnt the case with the AWP, its not bought nearly as often as it could be, i would think something that is Overpowered would be maximized in use by the top level players. You forgot to add that its also a high risk in buying the gun cause often you sac utility or even armor and often have to go for even lower buys in eco rounds compared to your riflers which farther reduces your effectiveness in those rounds. Low skill, high risk, high reward**
2020-05-20 08:26
Either way it's your opinion of what overpowered is since it's a gamer word with no official definition. "Overpowered would be maximized in use by the top level players." Like I said it has a niche purpose, but it does that way too well. You're not even attempting to argue why the gun is not overpowered with aspects of the weapon itself. It's literally a point and click weapon with a scope. And the game rewards saving it every round.
2020-05-20 08:26
So then give me your definition of overpowered, wouldnt that be the best way to discuss this? If it does 1 thing way to well then that 1 thing can be played around and countered. Take Kassadin in league, his late game is MUCH better than pretty much every champ but he has a weak early game and therefore has clear counters. Same with the AWP, its only good in long range 1v1 fights. Any time it is double peeked or executed against its weak, and its weak on the retake. You're not even attempting to argue why the gun is not overpowered with aspects of the weapon itself. Because you're ignoring the economy. The strength of the weapon is balanced by the price. Obviously a gun that costs 2-3k more than the other rifles is going to be naturally stronger but its not stronger than the difference in price otherwise it would be used more than the AK. Your argument literally boils down to "a gun that costs 2k more than the other rifles shouldnt have an advantage" which is just pure ignorance.
2020-05-20 08:34
"Because you're ignoring the economy. The strength of the weapon is balanced by the price. Obviously a gun that costs 2-3k more than the other rifles is going to be naturally stronger but its not stronger than the differecne in price otherwise it would be used more than the AK" No I'm not I've already said multiple times the game encourages playing passive and saving the awp, plus it's easy to save in this game. You're not even reading what I'm saying, but saying I'm "ignoring you". lmao. "You're not even attempting to argue why the gun is not overpowered with aspects of the weapon itself." Why would I do this, that's your job. You tell me why it's not overpowered based on its aspects. Not just saying it can be countered in certain scenarios. "So then give me your definition of overpowered, wouldnt that be the best way to discuss this?" Overpowered would imply someone who's bad is being boosted by using the weapon beyond his regular skill level. That's a very fair definition. Players like kennyS and S1mple are good on everything, but players like MSL winning MVP's then being bad for the rest of their career is a red flag. I've met primary awpers who couldn't even counter strafe in A rank. The gun is low skill and boosts bad players.
2020-05-20 08:38
If you save then you lost the round right? If you're holding an OP gun that should mean you are favored in duels, so why not just go retake? Saving the AWP doesnt justify buying it, you need to find impact with a gun that expensive. AWP is a bad buy unless you're getting multi-kills or AT LEAST winning the round and staying alive -The gun being able to be countered IS a reason based on its aspects that its not OP -The gun being 2k-3k more than than the other guns IS an aspect of the gun that makes it balanced You sure im the one not reading? Ive been pelting you with reasons the AWP isnt OP that you cant counter and you ask me for more????? The gun being low skill doesnt make it OP, like i said the p90 is much lower skill than AK and isnt OP
2020-05-20 08:44
Dude no one's trying to argue it's a do everything gun. Your argument is literally that it's bad in solo retakes and it's expensive, that's it. And you just completely ignored this even though you asked for it: "Overpowered would imply someone who's bad is being boosted by using the weapon beyond his regular skill level. That's a very fair definition. Players like kennyS and S1mple are good on everything, but players like MSL winning MVP's then being bad for the rest of their career is a red flag. I've met primary awpers who couldn't even counter strafe in A rank. The gun is low skill and boosts bad players." Dude if you're gonna take it upon yourself to argue with the entire thread, at least read the comments your replying to.
2020-05-20 08:45
Thats a pretty fair take on what the word "overpowered" means, that its good in all situations and is beneficial to have whenever possible. And thats a valid argument. Not just solo retakes btw, pretty much all retakes its trash and you see most AWPers swap out for a rifle. Its also easier to counter with double peeks and utility than rifles/SMGs and is more restricted in the positions it can play " Players like kennyS and S1mple are good on everything, but players like MSL winning MVP's then being bad for the rest of their career is a red flag. " Thats called an outlier and MSL won that MVP by having very smart reads and intelligent play, not by abusing the AWP, he was always properly positioned and wasnt countered. Not to mention the premise of the meta is to put this weapon in the best possible positions, ofc when he goes from having the worst spots to the best his stats are increased " I've met primary awpers who couldn't even counter strafe in A rank. The gun is low skill and boosts bad players." This is anecdotal evidence that proves nothing. Ive also met A rank players that would full spray down long, does that make the AK OP? No
2020-05-20 08:52
"Thats a pretty fair take on what the word "overpowered" means, that its good in all situations and is beneficial to have whenever possible." That's not what I said at all. Are you gonna be so petty as to purposefully misconstrue what I say? "MSL won that MVP by having very smart reads and intelligent play, not by abusing the AWP, he was always properly positioned and wasnt countered." And he can't do this 99% of the time with a rifle why? Actually answer this one, I wanna know.
2020-05-20 08:52
Uh no you didnt say that. I said that lmao. Thats MY TAKE on what OP means. Because the AWP gets better spots than the normal IGL role? You also realize hes still AWPing right and pretty medicore? hltv.org/stats/players/7156/MSL?startDat.. It was just 1 tournament where he popped off and had good reads. Not like it took him from being below average to great every tournament, like i said just an outlier, everyone has tournaments where they play well above their grade. He cant do it 99% time with AWP so whats your argument?
2020-05-20 08:56
"Because the AWP gets better spots than the normal IGL role? You also realize hes still AWPing right and pretty medicore?" Have you seen him play, he wouldn't even be a pro player without the awp. He was even worse when he rifled more. "It was just 1 tournament where he popped off and had good reads. Not like it took him from being below average to great, like i said just an outlier." Yes because trash can players randomly pop off for an entire tournament and win MVP awards. Name another instance of that happening dude. Go ahead.
2020-05-20 09:00
His rating in 2020 with AWP is 1.01 His rating with AK in 2018 was .99 and its not even because hes getting more kills, hes just dying less. hes been a pro player for about a decade without the AWP so im not sure what you're talking about. He hasnt AWPed his entire career. A .02 rating increase while now having the best positions on the map is literally meaningless. Yes any player can have tournaments where they pop off.
2020-05-20 09:04
He was a pro player because he was an IGL. That's about it. The fact that he's showing improvement as his pro career is degrading says everything. "Yes because trash can players randomly pop off for an entire tournament and win MVP awards. Name another instance of that happening dude. Go ahead." I want an example of an MVP award dude. If it was a fluke it must've happened before for a rifler. Right?
2020-05-20 09:06
Hes not showing improvement, hes using a stronger weapon and still getting the same amount of kills per round. You seem to not understand that by switching to AWP he also gets better positions which directly impact kills/rating. Riflers dont get the best spots like an AWPer does and arent using the strongest most expensive gun I dont get the logic that "because it was a fluke it must have happened to others" Like no, it was a fluke which means its uncommon its NOT LIKELY to happen.
2020-05-20 09:08
Lmao. In the long history of this game it's never happened. It's just happened when someone who usually rifles decides to awp. Just a massive coincidence lol. Just admit it you can't answer it dude.
2020-05-20 09:10
So how come he isnt doing it every tournament then? I cant answer it because ITS AN OUTLIER. Its not supposed to happen. The fact that it doesnt happen is PROOF that its not likely. Why dont you show me another example of someone doing what MSL did. If its so common then why doesnt everyone do it?
2020-05-20 09:11
Because no one is gonna give their worst player an awp for the entire tournament. Except in MSL's case. The sample size is pretty much just him. And guess what he won the MVP.
2020-05-20 09:12
Hes now AWPed many tournaments and doesnt even get the highest rating on his team consistently so what does that say? Hes only 1 MVP out of like 20 tournaments so thats actually a pretty relevant sample size. Its called an outlier
2020-05-20 09:15
He's garbage, that's why. The fact that he had a full tournament of doing amazing says everything. When did a garbage rifler have a lucky tournament and win the MVP?
2020-05-20 09:19
Nope it says he had 1 good tournament. A garbage rifler doesnt also get to have the best positions on the map for that 1 tournament so never
2020-05-20 09:20
Yes because preferred positions prevented it from ever happening lmao.
2020-05-20 09:21
Uhm yes? Positioning is a key aspect in csgo silver
2020-05-20 09:21
Silver calls A+ silver. Lmao. Classic. Go cry stupid trash can.
2020-05-20 09:22
0/8
2020-05-20 09:22
Imagine losing an argument so hard the only thing you can do is call the other person "salty". You're pathetic. EZ Clap
2020-05-20 09:17
I told you to keep to one chain. What do you do, create another on top of that. Why would I seriously argue with you if you can't listen?
2020-05-20 09:19
Imagine thinking you control me AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA idgaf what you do loser
2020-05-20 09:19
Okay gold nova trash can, you can do what you want.
2020-05-20 09:20
0/8
2020-05-20 09:20
Imagine changing the screen zoom just to trply loser
2020-05-20 09:29
0/8
2020-05-20 09:30
Here ill make another lmfao cry more
2020-05-20 09:19
#289
2020-05-20 09:20
Cry more loser
2020-05-20 09:21
You don't know hwo to talk to people idiot.
2020-05-20 09:28
0/8 youre mad af
2020-05-20 09:28
Like your argument is literally "this 1 time someone who isnt an AWPer AWPed and did well" Okay so what? If it were possible for everyone then everyone would AWP
2020-05-20 09:12
Dude you're literally arguing with the entire thread and you're creating multiple chains for one person. I know you're a salty awper, but this is a bit much.
2020-05-20 09:14
0/8
2020-05-20 09:14
0/8 You created 3 chains to argue with one guy. I know one comment can't contain your wall of text, but still...
2020-05-20 09:15
didnt read
2020-05-20 09:15
lmao 0/8
2020-05-20 09:15
#273
2020-05-20 09:15
Didn't read.
2020-05-20 09:16
0/8
2020-05-20 09:16
Seems you have no counters to the price and ability to counter the weapon. How can a weapon be OP if its more difficult to obtain and still has restrictions/counters
2020-05-20 09:05
Dude I'm not gonna argue with you in two comment chains, I'm already sick of you saying the same stuff in the original one.
2020-05-20 09:07
Everything you're saying in the original one is countered by that one :)
2020-05-20 09:07
You're just saying a bunch of opinionated crap and passing it off as fact. Like how overpowered "implied" something. You said "implied" instead of "means" to cover your own ass if I called you out, which I did. I know how you keyboard warriors work.
2020-05-20 09:08
Yes because you insinuated the word cant mean something since its subjective lmao. The AWP being only used by 1-2 players is fact The AWP costing 2-3k more than other rifles is fact The AWP being more restricted is fact The AWP being easier to counter is fact
2020-05-20 09:10
Like I said I have zero interest in wasting time arguing with you in two chains. You're literally saying the same shit here as the other chain. You must love wasting time.
2020-05-20 09:11
0/8
2020-05-20 09:12
0/8
2020-05-20 09:15
#265
2020-05-20 09:15
Bad bait
2020-05-20 09:15
didnt read Thanks for conceding :)
2020-05-20 09:16
who cars
2020-05-20 09:16
Thanks for conceding :)
2020-05-20 09:16
" Just because something has a niche purpose doesn't make it not OP" LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2020-05-20 09:29
Do you have nothing else to do with your time nothing else at all?
2020-05-20 09:32
0/8 stay mad
2020-05-20 09:32
I guess not.
2020-05-20 09:33
The lack of self-awareness is astounding
2020-05-20 09:33
Are you stupid? You started this shit again at 303.
2020-05-20 09:33
And you replied lmfao
2020-05-20 09:34
Nice delay, had to think of something?
2020-05-20 09:34
Try harder
2020-05-20 09:34
Mad because I'm right, not just about this about everything. It's okay silver :) you don't know much.
2020-05-20 09:35
Keep trying
2020-05-20 09:35
0/8
2020-05-20 09:35
Keep going
2020-05-20 09:35
Refer to 314 for guidance.
2020-05-20 09:35
0/8
2020-05-20 09:36
Stop resisting truth silver
2020-05-20 09:36
stay mad
2020-05-20 09:36
Not even denying you're silver :>
2020-05-20 09:36
#321
2020-05-20 09:37
Mad cuz bad? Oh wait that's you LOLOLOL
2020-05-20 09:37
#323
2020-05-20 09:37
#324
2020-05-20 09:37
Didnt read, stay mad :)
2020-05-20 09:37
Mad. Here comes zoom to reply
2020-05-20 09:38
0/8
2020-05-20 09:38
Bro, in 2015, awp was op, but you wouldn't see 4 awps in ct. When it was CZGO, why would the pro not play with 5 cz instead of riffles, same with tec9. The price is not a fcking argument.
2020-05-20 11:50
The AWP wasnt OP back then either. Nerf wasnt needed, refer to this video for reasons why it was balanced. youtube.com/watch?v=rsFnJYJ2buU When it was CZGO, why would the pro not play with 5 cz instead of riffles Lmao? Because those are pistols and rifles are objectively better when you can afford them? How is price not an argument? Guns are literally balanced by price. Theres a reason you cant buy SMGs on pistol round. Theres obviously a reason the AWP costs 2k more than the other rifles.
2020-05-23 09:24
Obviously there are advantages and disadvantages to the awp, but I think he's trying to say that the awp heavily shifts some maps to ct side. For example look at inferno ct, with a double awp, you can shut down t's even against a good team. The awp is not op, but it definitely makes the ct side stronger.
2020-05-20 08:07
Right which requires a huge initial investment and if it doesnt pay off you absolutely fuck your economy. Of course a sniper is going to make the defensive side stronger than the attacking side but thats not a reason to nerf it.
2020-05-20 08:10
Not quite, at least when I play esea league, it's very rare you buy without having full nades, so if you fully invest and lose ur fucked anyways. Also I'd say glasscannon awp is better than rifle in most cases until retake
2020-05-20 08:12
AWP costs over 7k with utility. Then why doesnt every CT AWP every time they have 4750?
2020-05-20 08:13
Well from my experience it's essential to have at least one awp on ct so one of my teammates would buy an awp no util if they had 4750
2020-05-20 08:14
Right, just 1 AWP, cause it can be put in situations where it thrives but only 1 MAYBE 2 people can be put in those positions. It also denies utility so you can stop rushes in those situations. If it were OP everyone would buy it was 4750, like they did with kreig. So many rounds 2-3 people would sac utility to get the kreig, thats not the same with the AWP cause its not OP
2020-05-20 08:18
silver spotted
2020-05-18 12:24
lvl 10 faceit 1.3kd
2020-05-18 12:31
Didnt ask, you have garbage understanding of the game if you think the AWP needs to be removed youtube.com/watch?v=rsFnJYJ2buU
2020-05-18 12:32
#77
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Brazil WORDdotEXE 
+1
2020-05-18 12:34
nah, youre just not good enough to understand, i bet youre an awper
2020-05-18 12:36
0/8 Lmk when you can counter any of the arguments in that video, please enlighten me!!!! Good enough to understand what? You clearly dont understand that the game is balanced around economy
2020-05-18 12:38
links me a 20 min video lol
2020-05-18 12:38
Yikes, still no arguments. What does that say? Seems like you cant even back up your statement, why should the AWP be removed?
2020-05-18 12:40
It says i have better things to do than watch a 20 min video about a gun in a video game
2020-05-18 12:44
Yet you have time to comment about it for 20 minutes. Pathetic loser Thanks for conceding and showing you have no arguments to back up your claim :)
2020-05-18 12:45
yeah some ppl have other things to do too except arguing on hltv. The awp is op and it requires no skill whatsover, you just hold an angle and you click when someone goes out, the key is to play as longer range as you can, its super easy to control
2020-05-18 12:56
The AWP being able to get easier kills doesnt make it OP because its balanced by the price and the ability to counter with utility easier. You pay 2k more for that right If it were super easy to do then everyone on CT side would use it If it were OP why dont 4 CTs use it?
2020-05-20 08:04
ive seen many rounds where CT's use 3-4 awps and 95% of them were successful because its impossible to counter, unless its a B rush and there is a single CT holding there with an awp. He will get 2 kills and eventually get overwhelmed. And no price doesnt mean shit, it only matters in pro matches, in casual/competative counter strike, which isnt a pro lvl, it is OP. And its impossible to counter even with utility, because you dont know where the awper will be and you dont know where to flash/smoke. Even if you smoke the proper place he will reposition and kill you agian, if you flash him, he will turn around peek back in and kill you again. So the only thing you can possibly do to counter it is if everyone smokes off a certain position, so basically 4 smokes, but its almost impossible to get your team to do that. So the awp isnt OP only in pro matches
2020-05-20 10:37
AHAHAHAHAH "its OP because im silver and cant use smokes and flashes properly" Makes sense
2020-05-20 10:38
No? I bet im a higher faceit lvl/ mm rank than you. There is no such thing as a good flash for an awp which you dont know where its located. But you just have too smol of a brain to understand. Or you're just an awper yourself lmao
2020-05-20 10:45
Yeah and thats why every team runs 4 AWPs right? If its as good as you say it is wouldnt it be great to have one everywhere? Not just at 1 site?
2020-05-20 10:47
No, this isnt a good idea, because if they take the site it would be very difficult to retake, not impossible tho, it would be easier with rifles tho. Its literally the only reason why its not a good idea
2020-05-20 10:48
But if the AWP is so OP how can they take the site if you have 2 AWPs there? Feel like if it were as OP as you're saying it would be impossible to take site vs 2 AWPs
2020-05-20 10:49
Are we talking about pro level or not? Because it is possible if the CT misses one shot or he gets an unlucky timing. Although it isnt quite unlikely that he's gonna miss, this is just a probability. However in most case scenarios he wont be missing since he can just play long range easy to hit shots. It also depends on how the player is playing it, if he knows how to abuse the op gun to its full extend. And yeah, it would be a great idea having more than 1 awp. Pros always turn around a game when they get 2 awps going on the CT side, especially NiP. Just look how strong is their defence with an awp in nawwk and one on twist. However having 2+ awps would also not be a bad idea, depending which map we're talking about. If it's Dust 2 and its a fast B rush, there is usually only one CT there so of course it would be impossible to stop the push single handedly. So the rest of the CTs would have to save their 4 remaining awps. But if it was A, and there was awp on MID. one on short, one on long, etc. Terrorists would never get a chance to get on the site. Plus building more than 2 awps strategy is good. but it only wokrs out when everyone has enough money for an awp, which happens very rarely. But if you had enoug money, you should always go for it
2020-05-20 10:55
Im not reading a comment where you cant even bother to space out ideas.
2020-05-20 10:56
You're not reading it because you know you're wrong and the awp is extremely OP
2020-05-20 10:57
" Plus building more than 2 awps strategy is good. but it only wokrs out when everyone has enough money for an awp, which happens very rarely. But if you had enoug money, you should always go for it" Thats why we literally never see triple AWP from teams like Astralis despite how much they stomp? hltv.org/matches/2341154/astralis-vs-g2-.. They absolutely smashed Vertigo CT side yet they never triple AWPed, why is that?
2020-05-20 10:58
You said it yourself, "Vertigo". Vertigo is the type of map that even one awp could be too much. You see, this map is the only exception, because there are 2 ramps, one leading to B and one leading to A. And when a terrorist comes out of the ramp, he would be in a great advantage because only his head would be visible which is a very difficult shot to hit with an awp, he basically needs to one tap him first try or the T would go out and kill him. And with these ramps the shots are very difficult to hit
2020-05-20 11:01
#357
2020-05-20 11:01
Oh so the maps counter the gun as well? So then the AWP is only good in some situations? So how is it OP then? its only good sometimes and costs a lot and you cant even run that many of them. Can you show me any examples of a tier 1 team consistently triple AWPing on any map?
2020-05-20 11:02
Verigo is a joke of a map. And its always getting banned first on faceit. Its only a matter of time before valve remove it from the pool again. They keep trying to push this map so ppl dont get bored of the same old shit. But the map is simply garbage and nobody really likes playing it. There are many good maps which could be added instead of Vertigo like cpl_mill or Tuskan. But we will leave this aside for rn. Yes. you've never seen pros use 3+ awps, just like you never saw pros use kriegs in the past? Before everyone realized how broken and OP they actually were ;). Even after the nerf when they increased the price again, ppl were still using it. It's only a matter of time in the future when cs go becomes even more competative and ppl start developing strategies with more than 2 awps, making a site almost impossible for a take. Plus why would Astralis use 3 awps rn? Everything is working out of for them perfectly fine, if nothing is broken, there is no need to fix it
2020-05-20 11:07
Any team tho, not just Astralis. Literally no team has triple AWPed since the start of CS:GO. its not like they dont know the strength of the weapon like the krieg, they do, they use it all the time. But they still never go for more than 2. You speculating that teams havent tried it isnt an argument, its just a hopeful guess.
2020-05-20 11:08
its not a guess, we've already seen what happened with the Krieg. Plus its a pro level smh, and i already told you earlier on that where the AWP is mostly OP is in MM/faceit, not pro level. Obviously it could be abused in pro level too. but its EXTREMELY OP in a random cs go match
2020-05-20 11:11
It is a guess, the krieg is a completely different situation cause the gun wasnt even in the meta. The fact that its only abused vs bad players is proof that the gun isnt OP, people just dont counter it properly
2020-05-20 11:11
So you're saying that everyone who isnt playing for a pro team is a bad player? So basically you just said that there are only around 500 good players out there. So only for them it isnt OP
2020-05-20 11:14
When did i say that retard?
2020-05-20 11:15
#366
2020-05-20 11:15
You apparently cant read. AWP isnt ever OP lmao, its abused vs bad players who wide swing everything
2020-05-20 11:16
you have a really bad reading comprehension
2020-05-20 11:16
You have no valid arguments as to why the AWP should be nerfed sooooo?????
2020-05-20 11:17
you sir have a really bad reading comprehension, making it really difficult to argue with you
2020-05-20 11:18
No you're just deflecting because ive countered all of your arguments. LMK when you come up with more bullshit
2020-05-20 11:18
I proved you wrong already multiple times and explained to you how it's broken and AWP and you just come at me and say "its not", "Astralis dont use 2+ awps so its not op! >:c"
2020-05-20 11:19
You've proved nothing. Saying that teams "might" triple AWP in the future isnt proof. If it was OP it would be abused. Its not even nearly used by every member when possible on any map by any team so how is it being abused?
2020-05-20 11:21
And once again you prove that you have a really bad reading comprehension. Its not only about pro teams, i already explained it you
2020-05-20 11:21
Actually it is. Cause pro teams do things to the fullest extent and use things to their maximum capability.
2020-05-20 11:22
Have fun praying for AWP nerfs trashy
2020-05-20 11:24
link me your faceit before you call anyone trash
2020-05-20 11:29
You're trash and i dot have to do shit fuck you loser
2020-05-20 11:29
You seem to be very insecure about your skill level. I mean i already knew you were a low level just from your aguments tho
2020-05-20 11:30
twitch.tv/videos/623752687?t=05h43m42s How come Astralis dont even double AWP here if the AWP is OP?
2020-05-20 11:00
You seem to be very insecure about your skill level. I mean i already knew you were a low level just from your aguments tho Says the one who complains about being AWPed in silver 0/8
2020-05-20 11:33
Chill he propably boosted himself to lvl 10 by playing with a friend with 200 elo +He baits real hard to get 1.3 kills propably and doesnt know how to deal with an awper....why u waste ur time arguing with every troll in this thread....they wont agree to anything they say cz they live in a bubble and think theyre always right
2020-05-18 13:04
not removed but nerfed to the point that it wont be so easy to play
2020-05-18 12:58
and whats the point? scout will be the alternative
2020-05-18 13:00
AWP is core gameplay mechanic but its just too easy to play, it needs to be nerfed, 3-5 bullet clip and price increased since the economy is much better these days in cs then AWP should cost more given how impactful the gun is.
2020-05-18 13:02
#67
dRiim | 
Finland dRiim 
well argumented discussion! you're not at all salty that allu = GOD!
2020-05-18 12:03
#70
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Australia Cozzie 
5 bullets in a mag like valorant?
2020-05-18 12:26
#88
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Russia Jet1k 
yes and all other stats like in valorant also
2020-05-18 12:41
i.e slower zooming/scoping? that'd be cool actually
2020-05-18 13:03
If u cant quickscope anymore the guns so overpriced wtf
2020-05-18 13:05
the thing is, after the quickscope nerfs the only real situation you can abuse it is when you're shooting close range and that shouldnt be the case since the AWP is a sniper rifle, it should excel at long ranges not rushing people and killing them up close with quickscopes which i often do myself btw lol because i know how op it is. And im not even an awper cuz the game gets too easy for me when i play it. So, since the quickscope nerf eliminated quickscoping people at range, why leave it to still work up close when awp is supposed to suck up close?
2020-05-18 13:08
For me close range awping is the fun ...i dont like sitting passively far back and watch an angle for 50 Seconds....slower scoping also means its harder for an awper to take duels/ get opening kills I think that would be a hard nerf for the awp....bit too hard Ppl would still play it but on some maps the awp is completely irrelevant then....especially on t side
2020-05-18 13:12
Awpers have inflated stats, that doesn't mean their impact is proportional. There's a reason players like shox, niko, olofm and cold were generally considered better than kennyS, GuardiaN and device. S1mple's AWP aim is mediocre, he's fast but misses a lot of shots. Without his rifling no one would consider him the best.
2020-05-18 12:32
I agreed with everything you said until you rambled about s1mple. First of all, I'd say his overall reflexes and flick shots with the AWP is better than anyone else in the scene easy and his impact as an awper isn't matched by alot of awpers either. Secondly, his stats are definitely inflated from using the AWP and saving alot of rounds just like any other awper. And players like shox, niko, olof and cold were considered better than GuardiaN and device because during those time periods where they were the best they were simply better than those players.
2020-05-18 13:00
U forgot zywoos awp aim...thats another level Or another playstyle...zywoo goes for the kill, simple for the fast shot, both destroy
2020-05-18 13:06
Honestly when I think of another level I think of FalleN and s1mple that make these insane flick shots that are insanely hard to perform consistently. ZyWoO IMO is a consistent awper much like device. He gets the job done and he rarely misses
2020-05-18 13:07
Yeah but if u look at zywoos playstyle the thing is his positioning is so good and smart most of the time the guy doesnt have to be fast on the flicks cz he preaims where the enemy is gonna be and boom hesbdead, no flick, nothing impressive at first but if u follow him for a longer time its even more impressive Ofc kenny, simple and fallen for example hit more insane shots, look good, are very Impressive and entertaining ofc I just dont like ppl saying someones the better awper just cz he hits insane flicks, even if he huts them consistently cz theres a bit more to awping then just hitting good shots
2020-05-18 13:16
send the link to the hltv stats thing not a shitty little picture.
2020-05-18 12:32
#75
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Brazil WORDdotEXE 
-farlig, allu, maka -bots ok
2020-05-18 12:33
wow its almost as if individual statistics are irrelevant in a team game, 200iq move wasting your own time on this and everyone elses
2020-05-18 12:34
Not irrelevant, just not end all be all. Stats arent answers, theyre doors to answers. Theres a lot of nuance and specifics that have to be applied with each players stats
2020-05-18 12:36
no theyre just like a tv show for dumb people like CSI with flashy colors and numbers on the screen to make it seem smart but actually its just a waste of time. the important thing in the game isnt how many kills player X gets or how many enemies flashed does Y have. its about teamwork and outplaying the enemy. stats are completely uncorrelated to how much work ppl are actually doing in game.
2020-05-18 12:38
Eh no. Theres a lot of situations where you're forced to hit shots. Yes you can have a teammate flash, yes you can play a crossfire, but if you dont click your mouse then whats the point? The purpose of teamplay and tactics is to make the kills easier which in turn makes the objective easier.
2020-05-18 12:39
yes so if 1 guy has to play a hard position with no backup he hits 25% of his shots and another guy has an easy spot with close range fights and 2 guys baiting shots for him and flashing so he hits more shots, does that mean guy 2 is better at the game than 1? no. they either win or lose the game together anyway so its irrelevant.
2020-05-18 12:41
Right right, but lets say you have a player who is in that spot and they hit that shot 25% of the time. I have a player who plays that same spot and you do a similar execute but my player hits the shot 50% of the time. That gives my team a distinct advantage which is translated into stats.
2020-05-18 12:42
maybe instead of your player being better the enemy team in your case just had shit predictable movement, all lined up, the first guy didnt jump, or any of another 10.000 things that can happen.
2020-05-18 12:52
Right which is why we compare stats over a large sample size to make sure that these occurrences likely happened to both players a number of times and what matters is what their usual end result is. If the enemy team had bad movement then thats gonna result in bad stats. If they didnt space properly thats going to result in bad stats.
2020-05-18 12:54
yes and if 1 guy who is decent plays in tier 5 he will have inflated stats, and so will ppl who play centain spots or are on certain teams or play with certain weapons. and if you need to take this all into account its literally easier to just watch the fucking game instead of reading stats.
2020-05-18 12:55
So who right now is the best player in CSGO to you? Or tell me your top 5
2020-05-18 12:55
hard to tell, they all aimbot
2020-05-18 12:56
Yikes!!!!!
2020-05-18 12:58
if you dont know theyre aimbotting already, yikes to you. imagine spending hours religiously looking over stats of blatant cheaters, what a waste of time lol.
2020-05-18 13:01
0/8
2020-05-18 13:01
no u
2020-05-18 13:02
yikes!!!!
2020-05-18 13:03
no, u.
2020-05-18 13:08
Thing is a player on my team might play the worst positions and a player on your team might play the best and my player could still have better stats if hes that much of a better player. Stats give context. If an entry fragger is outperforming an AWPer then it leads to the conclusion that the entry is INSANE or the AWPer is under performing
2020-05-18 13:00
or maybe the "entry" doesnt always do the same thing every round because this role doesnt exist since 2016 and the awp is often trying to open up the rounds.
2020-05-18 13:02
AWPers open up rounds in much safer ways than entries. Show me one team where an entry has better stats than the AWPer and i can almost guarantee you the entry is elite or the AWPer isnt
2020-05-18 13:02
yes im going to now spend 15 minutes looking up stats for you that i think are useless and irrelevant. brb. /s
2020-05-18 13:09
You could and it would provide a valid reason to your statement. An example of how stats can be quite useful, but you, being thick skulled, cant because you refuse to acknowledge them
2020-05-18 13:11
no, i cant because they arent useful
2020-05-18 13:12
Nothing to back that up!
2020-05-18 13:13
exactly, nothing, because stats are useless
2020-05-18 13:15
#78
2020-05-18 13:17
#160
2020-05-18 13:17
Already countered in #78, try again.
2020-05-18 13:27
#160, try again
2020-05-18 13:31
i.imgur.com/O2epFt4.png i'll just leave this here i.imgur.com/s8lF6ia.png still going lol
2020-05-18 13:44
No one gives a fuck what a delusional witch hunting baiter leaves
2020-05-18 13:44
get rekt m8
2020-05-18 13:45
0/8
2020-05-18 13:45
get rekt m0/8
2020-05-18 13:45
get rekt m0/8
2020-05-18 13:45
you can tell how good someone is by watching them play for a few minutes, you cant tell from their stats
2020-05-18 12:55
Agree but stats often translate
2020-05-18 12:56
except when they dont. and you dont know when they do or dont, not for sure
2020-05-18 12:56
Which is why you use both lmao
2020-05-18 12:58
i have never paid any attention to the stats at all and i can follow the scene just fine, so they are useless.
2020-05-18 13:00
Your opinion doesnt make them useless :)
2020-05-18 13:01
it is a fact that i dont need the stats to follow what goes on in the scene and see how good players are compared to eath other, therefore logically they must be useless.
2020-05-18 13:02
Nope i guarantee if you did what you currently did but also acknowledged and compared stats youd have an even better overview of the scene
2020-05-18 13:12
you would lose money on that bet.
2020-05-18 13:13
#81
liTTle | 
CIS Dowa) 
bait thread alert
2020-05-18 12:37
#90
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North America onionmesh 
genuinely if you cant shut down an awp then there's 1 of 2 things 1) you're shit 2) you're in matchmaking its not that fucking hard, is it? nades exist. uncomfortably close angles exist. literally just fucking git gud it isn't impossible to use a rifle or m4 against an awp. or hell even a fucking scout or deagle.
2020-05-18 12:42
? i.imgur.com/nBGJWDK.png i.imgur.com/pc826CR.jpg ??????????????? LOL go teach pro teams then, why are you wasting your time in HLTV instead of coaching t1 teams?
2020-05-18 13:03
#212
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North America onionmesh 
cuz t1 teams know how to actually use an awp
2020-05-19 06:05
There is a reason why awp is given to the best player of the team
2020-05-18 12:42
Broky>Niko? Stewie>Elige? Twist>Rez? JW>Krimz/Brollan? Woxic>Ropz? Thats just not a valid argument. Thats not why the AWP isnt OP
2020-05-18 12:44
Not always the case and not the reason. Its the easiest weapon to use
2020-05-18 12:46
Nah Mp9, p90, mac10 much easier to use. Literally run and press m1 in their general direction
2020-05-18 12:48
not true except maybe for p90 but its one of the worst weapons
2020-05-18 12:49
Very true. All require less precision and give the player more freedom with their movement. And thats exactly my point, the ease of a weapon doesnt make it OP
2020-05-18 12:49
smgs require you to do tracking on enemy heads while moving and enemy is also moving and you have to do spray control. a lot harder than just aiming in their general direction. at least if you want to get kills vs opponents with helmets on mid range.
2020-05-18 13:18
The freedom of movement and amount of bullets you fire allowing more room for missed shots provide a much easier kill than AWPing where a miss is death. Theres little to no spray control on the 3 guns i listed.
2020-05-18 13:26
1 miss with awp isnt death, only if you have 0 cover and no utility
2020-05-18 13:29
and you have to hit headshots within the first couple bullets while moving or you become a lot more inaccurate with smgs. its not easy. most ppl just suck at it and never practice it so they think it cant be improved on
2020-05-18 13:30
#236
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Malaysia Amerka! 
Smgs are op against shit opponents Awp is op against shit opponents Smgs are shit a against people who are good at the game Awp is shit (in alot of cases) against people who know what utility is
2020-05-20 08:28
not really though, smgs have higher movement speed and moving accuracy so especially against ct players who are good who dont buy helmet its viable on short to mid range
2020-05-20 13:21
LOL, most awpers wouldn't even be pros without the weapon, wake up
2020-05-18 12:57
Its not 2015 where awpers can only awp^^
2020-05-18 13:09
Delusional, not one of the players I mentioned would be able to get above 1.0 rating in an event as strong as RtR if they had to rifle. MSL getting 1.07 rating (2nd in his team) and 1.16 impact is a disgrace to competitive FPS.
2020-05-18 13:14
I shouldnt argue with um...msl has that rating not bcz the awp is op but bcz his positioning and decisionmaking is very impressive....the guy doesnt hit flicks most of the time but has lots of impact through studying his opponents so he knows where he can get opening frags....thats his style of awping hes just insanely smart lmao Ofc he wouldnt perform like that with a riffle but they would have a star player oj the awp if he wouldnt awp ffx Every tier 1 awpers riffling is quite decent, some are insane on the riffle as well Kenny and allu are the only shaky ones coming to my mind And gratisfaction but hes not really a tier 1 awper imo
2020-05-18 13:19
also msl seems to actually have decent reaction time, he can hold angles with awp quite well
2020-05-20 13:22
your bait is also weak because you listed bunch of really good and talented players
2020-05-18 13:10
#237
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Malaysia Amerka! 
EXACTLY
2020-05-20 08:28
How dare you call guy like allu a bot.
2020-05-18 12:49
#102
OKAYYY | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh 
DEVVEGOD #1
2020-05-18 12:50
It really isn't. A person. who uses a sniper isn't an entry fragger. it is the rifles, and the sniper is more passive. Ofc Niko will die more often that the sniper, and so on
2020-05-18 12:51
+1 AWP is op, and since economy changes its even better cuz its easier to get. Increase price to 5k and nerf clip to 5 bullets.
2020-05-18 12:57
The new economy is so dogshit. Pretty sure Valve was tired to adjusting the pistols so they just let everyone have rifles and awps 90% of the time.
2020-05-20 08:40
Yeah pistols suck so bad now
2020-05-20 23:45
#132
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Finland kkd69 
Allu bot? ok
2020-05-18 13:02
#140
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World breezy0 
If awp in csgo is so OP how come in 1.6 no one ever complained about it when it was even stronger there with reliable quick-scoping?
2020-05-18 13:04
youtube.com/watch?v=YBMHhQjXWuA +wallbangs to punish dumb aggressive peeks +no molotovs to prevent rushes +no new economy that prevents resets
2020-05-18 13:07
#152
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World breezy0 
I don't think the awp is really OP as a weapon but I agree that an increase in price now with the new eco system would be good for the game.
2020-05-18 13:12
Yup, at least. As I pointed out in another post, Maka had 23 m4 kills in 26 maps (277 with the awp). With the new economy they can afford as many awps as they want.
2020-05-18 13:15
#177
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World breezy0 
Awp should be there for teams who managed to get an economy advantage by playing well and winning consecutive rounds or a high risk high reward play. Currently it's nothing like that because it's hard to break the enemy economy, making the meta too awp dominated.
2020-05-18 13:31
So The AWP is strong The AWP is easy to obtain The price of the AWP doesnt dissuade people from buy it Why dont 4 CTs AWP? Oh right because that has obvious counters and DOES break the economy making it balanced.
2020-05-20 08:37
#332
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World breezy0 
Of course having 4 awps is bad but that's not the point. The point is that it's too easy to maintain 2 awps.
2020-05-20 10:27
How is having 4 AWPs bad if the AWP is OP If something is OP i want to use it as much as possible, no? Its not easy to maintain 2 AWPs, cant even do it first gun round in most scenarios, thats 1/3 of the rounds that its not even in question. And anyway if it were easy to maintain 2 AWPs and AWPs were OP then every team would double AWP every chance they get which doesnt even come close to happening. Sometimes teams dont even single AWP on T side where the economy is cheaper
2020-05-20 10:32
different times, different game, different skill level. Now people are more woke, back in 1.6 community was much smaller, game had slightly different mechanics, awpers werent as good as they are now, strats werent as good, not even mentioning how economy is better these days yet AWP price is the same. And now when the game has been nearly perfected its easier to see things that are op or useless etc. Also community was generally different in old school gaming, now people demand balance back in the days people were just used to the game and didnt even think about how this is broken how that needs changes etc. Its a long topic but conclusion is still the same - AWP is OP and needs a nerf, period.
2020-05-18 15:02
If the AWP needed a nerf that would imply its being abused. No team runs more than 1-2 AWPs, some teams dont even AWP on T side so how is it being abused?
2020-05-20 07:58
I hate all awp abusers except main snipers in pro teams Feeling when you tapping awper with AK on a long distance is almost like a sex or drugs
2020-05-18 13:19
#169
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Croatia mds818 
I see no Bra71l awpers here, u mad?
2020-05-18 13:22
Hmmmmmmmm
2020-05-18 14:35
I agree
2020-05-18 13:25
#176
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Brazil zzzzzzznt 
lets just agree with him so he can live in peace
2020-05-18 13:31
#186
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Finland SunMutsi 
allu = best allu best kd
2020-05-18 13:49
Biggest baiter lol, shameless
2020-05-18 16:48
flag checks out
2020-05-18 13:57
kd rating is not impact lmao comeback to your exciting faceit pug brainless bot
2020-05-18 16:51
You can't be this dumb, you're not talking about MSL's 1.16 impact rating that I pointed out, right?
2020-05-18 18:02
Oh my god ... I hope this is a bait. I could try to explain it to you but it seems that you are not very intelligent and you don't know much more about cs
2020-05-18 18:15
LOL, what a low IQ post, "kd rating" is not even a thing btw, stop embarrassing yourself
2020-05-18 18:15
Untalented brazilian talking about iq XDDDDD This is what happens when your best achivement is play lvl 10 faceit pug
2020-05-18 18:18
Yes, "is play", can't even speak English. Go back to the rice fields
2020-05-18 18:21
Your argument destroyed me, I have traveled half the world and my english is terrible. I envy you xDDD keep creating useless post on a counter strike forum, your life is on the right track
2020-05-18 18:27
Not only is your english terrible, you think talking about a weapon used in the game being OP is a useless post while insulting the thread creator and providing no useful counterarguments. Reported for trolling.
2020-05-18 18:37
imagine reporting on a virtual war game forum XDDDDD
2020-05-18 18:53
its all about how u play the awp, u go try play with awp, try to get 30 bombers every game
2020-05-18 18:18
#198
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United States Slyckz 
Lol it isn't op a lot of stats are boosted simply because those players save more and are much more passive. Also awpers are played around much more. It is a noob crusher if you know utility well it isn't op it is worse than an ak.
2020-05-18 18:19
point and click easiest weapon in all of video game history
2020-05-18 18:23
they are the star players
2020-05-18 18:24
anyone can be a star player with the awp
2020-05-18 18:37
I can't I would get 3 kills in pro game and they would be trades or angle holding
2020-05-18 18:46
#210
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United States JustBitsy 
It OP everyone who says otherwise is boosted from being an AWP main.
2020-05-18 18:49
If it was OP more than 1-2 people on the team would use it
2020-05-20 07:54
#63 Stop trying, this is sad to witness. Take the L like a man for once, grow up.
2020-05-20 10:53
0/8 already countered that
2020-05-20 10:53
#395
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United States JustBitsy 
If it wasn't OP the best strategy to counter it would not be rush it down and trade out.
2020-05-20 18:58
Uh what? That literally makes no sense. There are many strategies to counter the AWP. The AWP has a weakness of not being able to shoot that fast so a common counter is to overwhelm it. That doesnt make it OP
2020-05-22 11:36
#407
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United States JustBitsy 
That is exactly what I said. "rush it down and trade out" = overwhelm it. I also did not say that was the only strategy I said it was the BEST strategy so please don't go full ad hominem and overreact to my comment. If the BEST strategy to defeat something is throw as many bodies at it that you can until it is gone then there is a fundamental flaw. Flashes are nerfed as hell and make a sound cue once thrown. I think changing the sound cue for the flashbang would be the best nerf to the awp as a weapon. I have suggested it multiple times. I think the sound cue for grenades should come from pulling the pin out and not from throwing it. It would be much more effective at countering awps specifically because if they are zoomed they can't see it be lobbed so in close fights they have to play for noscope/quickscope. That is my only suggestion for making the awp less op. edit: of course keep the grenade bounce off wall sound cue that is not what I am suggesting change.
2020-05-22 21:44
This Frenchie is truly delusional.
2020-05-23 02:33
#411
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United States JustBitsy 
He is just an awp main. He wouldn't want to lose two ranks minimum if he actually could be outplayed by a rifle every now and then.
2020-05-23 08:10
Yup, it's just funny to see. He rushes to every thread I make, and after he loses an argument to me he starts replying to every single person in the thread that agreed with the post, truly the most desperate and delusional awper I have ever seen.
2020-05-23 08:44
You're just mad you cant outargue me so you use attacks. Pretty pathetic
2020-05-23 09:15
LMAOOO Why do you think I waited 10 minutes to post #63? Because I knew that if I posted it too early you would realize that you got embarrassed and would quickly edit your response from "Yes cause it was too easy to get entries even at disadvantageous angles." to "T-the AWP wasnt OP back then either!!!" This reaction is perfectly fine by me, now you HAVE to go around saying that the 2015 awp wasn't OP, what makes you sound even. more. delusional. Keep up the work, my bump whore. BAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2020-05-23 11:31
0/8 the fact that you care about bumps on HLTV is truly pathetic :)
2020-05-23 12:56
Liked what I did there? You either become my bump whore and keep giving my thread visibility, or you disappear from the thread and I take every last word. But your fragile ego probably won't let you take the L like a man and go away, right? I mean, this discussion ended in post #63, and here you are, still replying to post #428. You just can't win, I'm too smart, you got played.
2020-05-23 15:23
If the gun was that strong more than 1 person would use it. And no thats just your silver opinion, the best strategy is to outplay with utility. Thats just how T side works, you overwhelm the enemy with numbers, its a basic fundamental regardless of the gun Your logic makes no sense, regardless of the opponents gun you want to overwhelm them, the fact that the AWP is weak to multiple people peeking it doesnt make it OP
2020-05-23 06:49
#410
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United States JustBitsy 
Ad hominem does not make your argument valid.
2020-05-23 08:03
So you have no counterarguments? I made many other points besides calling you silver. Meanwhile you repeat "AWP main" and bring up ranks as well. Hypocritical much? Thats just how T side works the best strategy is to outplay with utility if the gun was that strong more than 1 person would use it. etc
2020-05-23 09:20
in mm or pugs yes aruguably op, but against players that know how to counter an awp its a LOT more challenging to be effective with the awap
2020-05-20 07:57
12/13 top-rated players overall in 2019 were awpers, dominating from Tier 1 to Tier 5 i.imgur.com/pc826CR.jpg Challenging? Even MSL had an MVP in a tier 1 event RIGHT AFTER picking up the awp hltv.org/news/24613/msl-wins-dreamhack-m..
2020-05-20 10:51
Cause the AWP is played around. If the AWP were OP every player would AWP every chance they get. Weird how MSL still has the same KPR with the AWP as he had without it besides one tournament. Almost like it was fluke
2020-05-20 10:55
#63, you already lost this argument, are you a masochist or what?
2020-05-20 10:55
You wish loser
2020-05-20 10:55
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2020-05-20 10:56
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2020-05-20 10:56
How many times will you edit each of your responses? This is so cute, you're trying SO hard 😊
2020-05-20 10:59
0/8
2020-05-20 11:00
You didn’t read man
2020-05-20 16:25
why isn't there 5 awpers in every team then? why don't people buy it everytime they have 4750$? why don't teams just buy 5 awpers?
2020-05-20 07:59
#233
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France Wvimis 
Skilled players play rifle Noobs play awp That's why for me NiKo > s1mple
2020-05-20 08:22
so u just ignoring the fact that niko picks up the awp almost every game
2020-05-20 08:53
Choko plays AWP as well S1mple > ChoKo
2020-05-20 11:06
Well yeah it costs 4.7k it better be better than rifles
2020-05-20 08:52
Then why doesnt niko just awp 🤔
2020-05-20 09:05
? He awps from time to time, are you even watching FaZe games? But tbh because he doesn't have to, he is the best rifler in the world and doesn't need to awp abuse to get 1.20+ rating every game, he'll give it to bots like broky or olof that need the handicap
2020-05-20 10:54
#402
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United States America! 
Mate your so dumb An insane rifler especially on a good day gives alot more impact than an awper you would know this if you watched pro matches or played against people who knew their shit
2020-05-21 19:12
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Awp abusers in denial are so cute That's why ZywOo, device and s1mple all stopped rifling (even tho they enjoy doing so) to start awp abusing? It's fine, my boy, just accept it. You would be 3 lvls lower in FACEIT and have 5 less RWS if you had to fulltime rifle, use this reality to improve your game/aim.
2020-05-21 21:22
If it was as OP as you say it was everyone would stop rifling to AWP, how come we only see 1-2 AWPers per team at a time?
2020-05-23 09:19
then use 5 awp or give it to someone else than s1mple, device or kennyS
2020-05-20 09:11
ur retarded stfu
2020-05-20 09:14
100$kill bonus cost 4750.. u need 47 kills with awp to make its money,u move slower than a rock..they nerfed bhop..it shoots 1 per 1.5 sec.. 1 smoke is enough to counter.. have u played 1.6? or early csgo 2014 ? that was AWP OP .. this is trash. device is better than average rifler, zywoo aswell even allu decent rifler! it's not about how strong the weapon is ,it's about how good your positioning and gamesense /awareness of situations that make the impact
2020-05-20 09:15
pls delete life and go from earth
2020-05-20 11:05
ofc u dont get any money after the round
2020-05-20 11:06
#377
Snax | 
Poland Thukan 
your brain not OP
2020-05-20 11:21
#384
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United Kingdom Mattthematt 
Its actually operator not awp or op
2020-05-20 11:31
Only thing that needs to happen to the awp is that it should not have a 10 round mag, with 40 reserve. I'd say 5 round mag with maybe 10-20 in reserve would be better. Still a one shot kill, but you cant just aimlessly spray it through smokes and walls, because of the more strict mag.
2020-05-20 11:35
Bump to remove the awp
2020-05-20 15:00
#401
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United States America! 
So that you could get destroyed by the french dude for the billionth time
2020-05-21 19:10
#392
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Poland subconsious 
why they dont use awp then?
2020-05-20 15:01
#393
shox | 
Norway Dragoe 
XD
2020-05-20 16:18
#396
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Germany PeetM 
It is not a problem, because the gun is so expensive that awpers are expected to post big numbers. That means msl might have 1.07 rating as awper but hes still a bot, because i think a decent awper should have 1.10 rating at least. Awp might be OP as a weapon but it is still balanced through economy and strategy
2020-05-20 19:02
Maka had 277 awp kills and 23 m4 kills in 26 maps, it's not expensive with the new economy that prevents resets
2020-05-21 19:06
It is cause if it were OP and easy to obtain everyone would use one.
2020-05-23 12:54
they're setup by their teammates
2020-05-23 08:10
#413
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India lemuig 
Aim is OP
2020-05-23 08:15
Beta_Brazilian
2020-05-23 08:29
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-05-23 08:40
HLTV's arbitrary rating has nothing to do with the balance of a certain weapon in the game
2020-05-23 08:48
+1
2020-05-23 09:06
people who think awp is op: random hltv gold novas people who dont think awp is op: every single professional player i wonder which ones are right
2020-05-23 08:51
Easy =/= OP
2020-05-23 12:55
#425
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Brazil _Awper 
Look at my name Yes, awp is OP and should stay like this. If you think that a gun that can one shot you from any distance with a scope that can see your beard bacteries is not OP, you're just delusional! But, good rifle players can match good awpers, so stop crying too. Also, an awper couldn't never do this: youtu.be/mWYU8eJBibw?t=18 youtu.be/n-oK0I94ROg?t=378 youtu.be/-88r6xuVaNI?t=369 There's a reason AWP is OP and there's a reason why Valve wouldn't change this, Awp is only OP to hold a angle, which can be countered really easily and do opening kills, but this one is only for good players. Awp also have a lot of bad things that make the gun more difficult, like slow movement, being a one shot gun, if you miss you're fucked, not good for retakes, no jump accuracy, bad noscope accuracy for medium and long range, etc. This is why Aug and SG were so op, they are basically AK + AWP son.
2020-05-23 09:17
Allu was better as a rifler in mouse sports way back, he's never been better as an AWPer so thats wrong, Farlig and Maka are both better than the garbage players you listed, if you're going to give an argument please make it decent at least.
2020-05-23 15:57
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2020-05-24 11:52
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6/8 but respect Maka
2020-05-23 15:58
Keep the Comms Up
1.92
Under 21
1.85
forZe
1.62
Espada
2.31
TYLOO
1.21
Beyond
4.18
Bet value
Amount of money to be placed
Winning
Odds total ratio
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