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AMD EXPLAIN ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
mika | 
Finland BileDani 
Many AMD fanboys like to claim "Intel is using outdated technology from 2014 to make their CPUs, AMD is the superior product" But if you ask them why an outdated technology sitll outperforms their modern CPUs in games they stop replying to you Why ?
2020-05-20 14:11
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#1
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Germany ToiletShitter 
When are you going to release new music?
2020-05-20 14:11
#162
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India C0RRUP13D 
I'm sad that this had no replies
2020-05-23 16:05
PLZ Dani we need your music <3
2020-05-25 00:16
i use amd bc of the prize, on intel u pay for the franchise, for ''intel'', amd is almost the best quality and is so cheap compared with intel
2020-05-20 14:12
#8
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Albania turboleifern2 
0/8
2020-05-20 14:18
european country wont understand lmao
2020-05-20 14:21
#248
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Poland Totali_ 
nt israel
2020-05-24 12:28
That's Guatemala ffs
2020-05-24 21:16
#19
ottoNd | 
Finland mens))) 
Argentina is more rich than Albania tho.
2020-05-20 14:32
#22
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Albania turboleifern2 
Actually thinking anyone from Albania is on hltv LUL flag checks out
2020-05-20 14:39
#24
ottoNd | 
Finland mens))) 
Excuse
2020-05-20 14:45
#26
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Albania turboleifern2 
nt mens)
2020-05-20 14:46
#124
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Japan Who_Asked 
If you were flake flagging wouldn't you pick a flag with more value/respect like who tf likes albania?
2020-05-23 12:51
#153
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Czech Republic Noxar 
rats
2020-05-23 13:38
#193
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Japan Who_Asked 
Yes prodka.
2020-05-23 18:45
albania is default flag for new accounts on hltv, that's why also why are u a disgusting weeb
2020-05-23 17:22
#246
TaZ | 
Poland Czeczen 
respeita gang albanii scum
2020-05-24 12:26
#220
OK | 
Reunion Edjon 
i am on hltv
2020-05-23 20:36
are you serious ? there are lots of albanians and people from kosovo on this website
2020-05-23 21:55
hello thank you
2020-05-24 02:40
np, I'm half kosovo albanian myself...
2020-05-24 21:14
#3
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Norway m16rlul 
better single core pefromance that's why but take a look at cpu usage on intel cpus and amd amd is like 30-40% while intel cpus are getting up to 80-90% (this depends on cpu models ofc) even if fps are lower amd is still better
2020-05-20 14:16
#20
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Spain lxz3 
Better for what? Obv not for gaming, people are still buying amd cpu for gaming when youre getting almost a 15% less FPS. So if you want the pc for gaming why the **** are people buying a AMD with a gaming GPU? 15% is the difference between 2060 and 2070, so if youre getting a AMD CPU and youre buying a rtx2070 better buy a 2060 and a INTEL CPU and save money for the SAME gaming performance.
2020-05-20 14:34
yep buying and paying double price for 10 fps more xddddddddd i mean intel wont give u 100 fps more so xddd , best cpu for gamers when we talk only about fps? yes, worth? not really unless u play CSGO at highest level wich 99% will never do so xD im not fan of both but price/performance= AMD right now-
2020-05-20 14:48
#39
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Spain lxz3 
Dude for the same price intel is giving u better gaming performance, there is no discussion, u can search for gaming benchmarks. If u dont want the PC for gaming then dont buy a RTX, it has no sense to buy a AMD with a expensive GPU for gaming, because ure getting less FPS. Its like to have a 500CV motor on a car that have a shitty aerodynamics, no sense. If u play CSGO then don't even think about to buy a AMD because the performance is trash.
2020-05-20 15:51
but gaming isn't the only thing and AMD cpu's have more value. i'm not sure where you got that 15% that from but the different is less than 5%. i'm not spending an extra $100 for that much of a difference.
2020-05-20 15:55
#53
coldzera | 
United States vakko 
Its called bottlenecking. He is right actually. Amd cpus bottleneck 2070.
2020-05-20 18:28
#58
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Poland Marvelm 
Are you insane? How can higher thread CPUs like Ryzen bottleneck something and lower thread CPUs like Intels not bottleneck it? :D:D:D That's some retarded statement, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
2020-05-20 21:36
#66
coldzera | 
United States vakko 
you are an idiot... bye
2020-05-21 01:49
he is right and your infos are outdated.
2020-05-21 09:38
#80
coldzera | 
United States vakko 
#78
2020-05-21 15:21
Fak.
2020-05-21 17:06
#78
coldzera | 
United States vakko 
I hope this example will help your brain. userbenchmark.com/EFps/,,3600.OC,_,,9600..
2020-05-21 15:20
#106
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Poland Marvelm 
USERBENCHMARK XDDDD Please don't make yourself even more laughable. Btw, go learn what bottleneck means. The fact 9600k system gives more fps than 3600 doesn't mean either one is bottlenecking the GPU, that's nonsense.
2020-05-21 22:44
Hahaha
2020-05-22 02:25
A CPU bottleneck is when a CPU is incapable of keeping up with other hardware, generally the graphics card, in a certain task. You will experience subpar FPS, slowdowns, or in worst case scenarios a stuttery near unplayable gaming experience. Idiot.
2020-05-22 02:28
#111
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Poland Marvelm 
Exactly, so how can a CPU be a bottleneck if it is not 100% under load genius... My 3700x runs at around 30% load in csgo and is still outputs less FPS than let's say 9900k. Does that mean my CPU is a bottleneck? God no... It is a mix of lower clockspeed and lower single core performance. The load is shared on more slower threads so naturally the bottleneck risk is way lower than on lower thread count CPU. I mean truthfully I don't know what I expected from someone who said 'amd cpus bottleneck 2070' duh.
2020-05-23 00:30
you are truly an idiot Weak PC components bottleneck the whole system. For example: an AMD Ryzen 3700X bottlenecks an Nvidia 2070 Super. The 3700X costs 40% more money for 11% less performance. The lost performance is similar to downgrading from a 2070S to a 2060S.
2020-05-23 01:33
#113
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Poland Marvelm 
You still don't understand the term 'bottlenecking' knucklehead
2020-05-23 11:02
bye bot
2020-05-23 19:29
Why do u argue with someone clueless whos calling everyone idiot who disagrees with him? Hell never think ur right, not even if its 110% proven lmao
2020-05-24 02:36
#240
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Poland Marvelm 
You're right, no idea what I was thinking
2020-05-24 11:56
#123
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Norway zcr1pt 
amd cpu's dont bottleneck RTX 2070super xd
2020-05-23 12:41
#69
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Norway m16rlul 
lol got an r5 3600x with 2070 super and it works fine
2020-05-21 02:29
#77
coldzera | 
United States vakko 
Yes it does work fine. But if you would have intel 9600K that costs $6 more than your cpu you would have on average 13% more performance. 13% for $6? Its huge difference.
2020-05-21 15:18
sure but you can pair ryzen 5 3600x with a lot cheaper motherboard say b450 for 100dollars, and 9600k has shit stock cooler so thats even more money+ one should buy ryzen 5 3600 for being a better value than the x model so thats even more cash saved in total its a lot of cash if you count mobo, cooler
2020-05-21 15:41
#88
coldzera | 
United States vakko 
Link here... with motherboard and cooler and everything you need. Just an example userbenchmark.com/EFps/,,3600.OC,_,,9600..
2020-05-21 16:52
Can you link me the actual build comparison between the 9600k and ryzen 5 3600? :D Ill build you a lot cheaper ryzen system than the 9600k one
2020-05-21 16:53
#91
coldzera | 
United States vakko 
Nah bro. I mean Im too lazy to do that. And I don’t really care that much. Just an example for you. If you want just research yourself.
2020-05-21 16:54
#217
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United States NA_KEKW 
If you are so determined to drop 30 comments defending Intel, I don’t think ur just lazy, you just don’t know.
2020-05-23 20:33
i dont defend intel... im just smart ty bye
2020-05-23 20:34
#219
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United States NA_KEKW 
That’s egotistical, I’m smart too wtf
2020-05-23 20:35
#94
coldzera | 
United States vakko 
Also I’m just giving you an example how ryzen 3600 bottlenecks 2070s. Ofcourse you can build cheaper stuff. That’s not the point. Point is that it’s same systems. With almost no difference in cpu price and intel gives you 13% more performance.
2020-05-21 16:57
#90
coldzera | 
United States vakko 
It will cost you $8 more my friend. The whole system difference. And +13% performance on avg.
2020-05-21 16:53
Ryzen 5 3600 4890Kč mobo b450 2000Kč(zen 2 ready aka 3000 series) cooler included not great but enough Total price is 6890Kč around 287 dollars Intel core i5 9600k 7000Kč(the processor alone costs more than the ryzen thing altogether) mobo used from a retailer 3000Kč decent cooler 1000Kč thats 11 000Kč= around 458 dollars As you can see the price difference is near to be double
2020-05-21 16:58
And thats with a used motherboard from a retailer, the ryzen motherboard is completely new in the setup that i built literally in a few seconds on the internet in my country
2020-05-21 17:03
Hahaha
2020-05-21 17:06
#98
coldzera | 
United States vakko 
No you Are shit at building PCs. Ryzen stock cooler is crap. How your logic works with building PCs amazes me. I’m done here. You can write whatever you want.
2020-05-21 17:06
The stock cooler is enough to keep the ryzen 5 3600 at the very decent 70celsius
2020-05-21 17:09
#197
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Sweden swediztann3 
my friend has 88C in csgo with 3600 + stock cooler. I dont know if he mounted it wrong or something but that temp is fucked up
2020-05-23 19:42
He must've done something wrong. I have a stock cooler on my 3600x and under max load it gets up to 75c max. Gaming usually makes it around 60c on average.
2020-05-23 20:13
As far as i know are the amd stock coolers pretty good unless u want to oc hard or some shit like that
2020-05-24 02:38
Yep he has probably a bad airflow in the pc case, i have another friend with the really 70c with ryzen 5 3600 and another one with ryzen 5 3600 75c :D. Airflow can do a lot
2020-05-24 09:27
No they dont
2020-05-24 02:40
I bought 3900x and 2080 super, getting reliably 500fps on 1440p
2020-05-20 22:22
#181
NEOFRAG | 
Czech Republic p4vX 
prnt.sc/smebht 215 dollar amd > 524 dollar intel
2020-05-23 17:48
Prove! Put any Intel/amd CPU tuple to support what are you saying.
2020-05-23 19:47
#48
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Norway m16rlul 
because intel cpus are much more expensive compared to their amd counterparts and the in game performance gap isn't that big
2020-05-20 16:58
+1
2020-05-21 17:22
#196
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Finland vjlle 
+1
2020-05-23 19:36
In what world does intel give 15% higher fps in games? Not this one for sure
2020-05-21 15:39
#4
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Netherlands toothpaste 
AMD +0.88 (1.61%)
2020-05-20 14:15
If Intel used their modern technology they would be worse or at the same level as AMD so they use outdated 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ which is 5% better in games at cost of power consumption and temps
2020-05-20 14:16
+1
2020-05-20 15:55
#6
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Australia forsaken_exe 
I haven’t seen people say AMD has better performance. It just doesn’t, but that isn’t the point. AMD is meant to be the bang for your buck option. Definitely most worth it.
2020-05-20 14:16
well in multicore it is actually better
2020-05-20 14:25
#16
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Australia forsaken_exe 
Okay it can be better. But overall Intel performance is better. Edit - cant imagine wasting money on an intel cpu though.
2020-05-20 14:27
Not overall, it's just the single core performance. In any other test AMD almost beats intel every time because of extra cores. Also, if you do anything outside gaming too, AMD would be a much better choice. I would gladly sacrifice 4-5 fps for more cores and better multitasking performance.
2020-05-20 18:06
+1 I got AMD Ryzen 5 2600 and the 6 cores really helps smoothens my programs like Sony Vegas etc.
2020-05-21 06:31
Dude i can compile my maps so fast it's insane, i had to leave my old pc open for like 20 hours to compile my final maps, now it's 1-2 hours at most.
2020-05-21 09:32
Sorry but what do you mean by compile maps?
2020-05-21 09:36
He is either talking about Hammer Editor, maps ported to C4D or something else. How would a map take hours to compile is beyond me.
2020-05-23 11:13
Compiling a finished map on highest quality can actually take some time on slower CPUs, source isn't the most optimised engine for that and apparently source 2 takes even more time which is weird tbh ( twitter.com/FMPONE/status/12621959124173.. read first reply as well).
2020-05-23 20:20
I'm confused, is this a Hammer Editor thing? (I have no experience with Source mapping so I don't even know what I am looking at)
2020-05-23 20:23
The twitter link is a source 2 Hammer editor from HL: Alyx which will come to CSGO if they ever update it, yes. Community was able to set it up to use CSGO assets and act as a csgo editor and plenty of people are playing with it right now. I thought that you have some experience with it but if not then yeah, source editors aren't really efficient.
2020-05-23 20:27
Sorry it's because my main focus is Goldsrc mapping. Although I do play Source games, I only map for Goldsrc because I'm into the movement community, and the Source movement mechanics are -1000% attractive for me and my ideas. But, thanks for this link, it was a real pleasure to see Source 2 mapping and have an idea about what CSGO can become if it ever gets implemented.
2020-05-23 20:32
What are you doing to your maps that they take hours to compile?!!??!?!?!?!
2020-05-23 11:13
Cpu brands have fanboys ? whats going on?
2020-05-20 14:17
#9
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Albania turboleifern2 
Retards being retards
2020-05-20 14:19
#10
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CIS tizkaN 
enjoy your 250w tdp overpriced Intel cpus AMD is on another level btw 0/8
2020-05-20 14:20
+1
2020-05-20 14:25
+1
2020-05-20 15:59
+1
2020-05-23 20:15
Can you stop spamming these threads every day
2020-05-20 14:21
what cpu do you have biledani
2020-05-20 14:21
#18
mika | 
Finland BileDani 
9900K @ 5 GHZ
2020-05-20 14:31
wanna update your twitch specs section then
2020-05-20 14:45
#30
ottoNd | 
Finland mens))) 
he lost password to his twitch account ((
2020-05-20 14:49
#49
mika | 
Finland BileDani 
Its my streaming PC that is listed there
2020-05-20 17:57
u horrible at this
2020-05-20 18:24
The price difference between AMD and Intel is minuscule compared to the price difference of a shitty and good ssd
2020-05-20 14:27
#21
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India C0RRUP13D 
Imagine being a fanboy of a CPU brand
2020-05-20 14:36
+ :D
2020-05-24 12:24
#25
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Stop making bait-threads with punctuation spam in a click-bait title: "?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?" Have a good day.
2020-05-20 14:46
#27
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Russia armando_o 
cuz u stupid
2020-05-20 14:47
#28
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
AMD's CPU's simply outperforms what Intel has right now in absolutely every department. Should we even talk about he price/performance difference? I think not.
2020-05-20 14:47
#32
mika | 
Finland BileDani 
I heard u are romanian, so money is indeed a big concern for you :DDDD
2020-05-20 14:53
#37
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
I'm Hungarian and know many people that are Romanians. Also, imagine putting racism in front as a basic argument xD.
2020-05-20 15:54
I’m sure money isn’t a big concern to you cuz your mom is still buying everything for you
2020-05-24 12:26
#33
BIG | 
Russia mcdima 
Bună ziua!
2020-05-20 14:54
#38
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
Same person, different account.
2020-05-20 15:47
#51
BIG | 
Russia mcdima 
proof?
2020-05-20 18:15
#56
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
If I do that HLTV will patch their security flaw from the platform.
2020-05-20 20:37
#57
BIG | 
Russia mcdima 
at least come with something new, kid;)
2020-05-20 21:33
#64
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
Ok :)
2020-05-20 22:56
that's his friend
2020-05-22 02:30
#110
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
Yes.
2020-05-22 10:22
#161
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Europe Vallon3 
They don't, though? 9900k is still unmatched in gaming. Doesn't matter if it's 4 fps or 400, a difference is a difference. The only thing you can make an argument about is performance outside of games, but nobody really cares about that.
2020-05-23 16:03
Lol
2020-05-23 19:50
#221
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
Only the 10K series outperform AMD's products, and what you just said in your second paragraph is laughable.
2020-05-23 21:27
#223
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Europe Vallon3 
No they aren't, stop making shit up. 3950x is notably weaker than 9900ks when it comes to gaming, every single benchmark out there confirms this. Here's two: youtu.be/vuaiqcjf0bs?t=440 ; youtu.be/frrxxhHYxb0?t=98 What is with you AMD fanboys and your headcannon of AMD being better in anything except price-performance ratio? It's not, lmao. And what I said in my second paragraph was said with what forum we're on in mind. People here care about games, not rendering programs.
2020-05-23 21:56
#226
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
"And what I said in my second paragraph was said with what forum we're on in mind" Assuming that this is English, I can say that the majority of this forum are just fanboys who don't even care about power consumption, price or even performance as long as that particular brand is known to be premium. "What is with you AMD fanboys and your headcannon of AMD being better in anything except price-performance ratio? It's not, lmao." That's why absolutely every presentation of laptops, prototype computers or even showcase PC's that deliver maximum performance are using Ryzen CPU's. If you'll open up youtube and search for people who are actually believable with their professional opinion you'll see that even those who are Intel fans are acknowledging the fact that AMD is just better nowadays. And regarding 3950X (because you mentioned it) ==> youtube.com/watch?v=stM2CPF9YAY
2020-05-23 22:23
#228
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Europe Vallon3 
There is nothing wrong with that sentence, so yeah, it is English. As I already said, Intel is better for gaming, that was my original point so your entire reply is irrelevant, not to mention you still haven't presented anything to back up your bullshit ass ''AMD beats Intel in *absolutely every department*'' claim from your original post, seeing how AMD is second best in gaming. Gonna admit you're wrong? Why on earth are you linking me a video that proves my point even further, it has game benchmarks around 5:20 minutes in and it shows the same thing my examples show - AMD is clearly outmatched by Intel when it comes to games. Isn't gaming a ''department''? Just look at that difference in CSGO, lmfao. Are you an idiot? For the second time: the only argument you're making here is performance outside of games, which was never my point and I never cared about discussing it. My original post was calling you out on AMD being better in games, which it isn't. You were wrong by saying AMD beats Intel in ''absolutely every department'', shit just screams ''fanboy''. Intel is for gamers. AMD is for people that work with multi-core intensive software. Like it or not, your favorite brand isn't omnipotent.
2020-05-23 23:07
#231
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
Just too much bullshit in your reply from top to the bottom, it makes me feel sick. Imagine using a CPU that's better by 1% or 2% than AMD's alternative and consumes 250 watts and fries out motherboards in time because of higher current consumption. Good job with that mate! I never said that Intel is bad but you just took it at a personal level I'm afraid. Yes, I know you're gonna negate that just like you did with that broken sentence which I honestly don't care about. Also, imagine that you're gonna ignore the fact that games are still optimized in favor of Intel or AMD's architectures, so the performance graph will vary all the time. AMD cut the price of 3900X (12core cpu) by 100$. Intel's in a really bad position right now and I hope that they'll come back soon with a good reply because it helps us the consumers who are actually using their products with care. And I'm not talking about mad fanboys of HLTV forum who immediately calls a product better just because it gets a couple of FPS infront the competitor's product and ignores all the other aspects like price, support and overall performance. "AMD is for people that work with multi-core intensive software. " - Imagine saying this and than pretend it's 2020. You're stuck in the past I'm afraid but who cares? You're just a lonely HLTV user who rumbles allot of nonsense, thinking that it will catch up an eye.
2020-05-24 01:34
#232
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Europe Vallon3 
Why are you continuing to write irrelevant bullshit, like??????????? You wrote in your first post: ''AMD Is better than Intel in absolutely every department''. Then I disproved that by saying and providing evidence that Intel is *still* SUPREME when it comes to gaming performance, something that you yourself reinforced by linking even more evidence like a complete idiot. Are Intel's CPU's still unmatched by AMD when it comes to performance in games? Yes, they fucking are. This is an empirical fact, not an opinion, a fact you keep dancing around with your empty posts. Therefore, your original point - the ONLY thing I was disproving -, is WRONG: Ryzen is inferior to Intel in a department (gaming). Hold that L and have a nice evening.
2020-05-24 02:17
#233
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Sweden sKeletoN_SN 
So I'm calling your posts "bullshit" and now you're getting back to me with the exact same reply. Absolutely no imagination at all, just throwing the "NO YOU!" so called argument over and over again. "Are Intel's CPU's still unmatched by AMD when it comes to performance in games? Yes, they fucking are" Yes because you're ignoring absolutely every other aspects that surrounds the matter. I've listed my arguments in the above replies and as it looks, you simply ignored them like I never wrote them in the first place and just focus on the line "INTEL IS BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO GAMING". You should ask yourself what are the costs for having a couple more frames per second (insignificant) with your beloved Intel CPU's. I've listed a couple of them already but you're just too ignorant to even care about that. "something that you yourself reinforced by linking even more evidence like a complete idiot. " Again, because some games perform insignificantly better on Intel than AMD, we should just ignore the fact that it doesn't make any difference at all, we should ignore the power consumption aspect, we should ignore the lack of support for future CPU's, we should ignore the price and we should also ignore the fact that you'll need to buy another motherboard for each and every new series of CPU's. Also, you must consider that PCIE gen 4 is still not present on Intel's platform Ohh but wait! They are better when it comes to games because instead of having 140 fps they'll give you 143. Imagine how stupid you must be in order to make such claims like you did while ignoring the matter as a whole. I'm done. It's my mistake not yours. I do not know why did I try to explain obvious common sense to a blind fanboy of HLTV. Just grow up :) and don't expect my reply again because we both know that you'll never learn.
2020-05-24 02:36
Go read about CPU micro-architecture instead of posting garbage threads and you will understand why.
2020-05-20 14:49
#34
RpK | 
France Choubada 
Intel doesn't outperform, it's just because it's very expensive. So the question would be, "Why AMD equalize or is better in games for the price"
2020-05-20 14:56
Simple. AMD - for third worlders Intel - for 1st worlders
2020-05-20 14:58
So how does i feel using AMD your whole life?
2020-05-21 17:12
#186
NEOFRAG | 
Czech Republic p4vX 
If you actually are from balkan you are definitely using amd then
2020-05-23 17:54
#36
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Finland 7ones 
Intel = quality , AMD = cheap. Feel free to pick from those two.
2020-05-20 15:05
cause Intel dumps transistors onto their CPU's, which cost more money. AMD has better architecture, and the usage of transistors are a lot more efficient.
2020-05-20 15:53
you can work on 14nm and it can be better than 7nm which is true in this case because outdated technology isnt outdated if its improved every year. just compare i7 from 2015 and from 2020. notable differences from temperatures, power consumption, max clock speed, single core performance. 7nm is better than 14nm but intel's 14 nm technology is so perfectly finished that it beats amd's 7nm.
2020-05-20 15:56
Wrong. They use 14nm to maintain clock high and they have a worst architecture.
2020-05-23 19:54
better ipc and higher clockrates. lulzen is for poor fucks.
2020-05-23 19:57
#45
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Ukraine ksay 
amd should go full retard and create overclocked 999w cpu so intel fanboys can stfu for eternity
2020-05-20 16:02
Hahahaha true
2020-05-23 19:54
Easy to choose. Only Intel works for Hackintosh XD
2020-05-20 16:05
There is patches for ryzen :p
2020-05-23 19:55
It's enough work as it it :)
2020-05-25 00:11
outperform?? Can't see that
2020-05-20 16:05
#54
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United States Trump2020KAG 
AMD puts out way better CPU's anymore..... cheaper equal/slight advantage intel in gaming performance better multitasking capabilities less power usage less heat better OC performance intel 8700k owner so not a AMD fan boy.. AMD is better thats just Truth over facts
2020-05-20 18:30
#83
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Denmark zeiko 
you cant be from USA
2020-05-21 15:34
#86
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Why ???? Did I miss spell something or not use proper punctuation????
2020-05-21 16:21
2020-05-20 18:32
+1
2020-05-20 22:57
#59
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Poland Marvelm 
Biledani confirmed absolute dumbass
2020-05-20 21:38
#60
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Germany Frostb!te 
I think they get only beaten in games because intels clock speed is higher Now is the only time i would go for AMD because their price is better but my cpu just runs everything fine
2020-05-20 21:41
#61
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Hungary Gulaash 
I have i5 9500 while my friend have R5 3600. His fps is bigger, so his epenis is bigger as well. If ryzen 4000 will be as good as they say (+15%IPC, 8core CCX design->lower latencies), i will go back to AMD. I havent had AMD since Athlon II times.
2020-05-20 21:42
#63
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France G2_Tier3 
Intel fanboys telling AMD kings to check benchmarks I did, and AMD has a much better value.
2020-05-20 22:24
#67
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Bosnia and Herzegovina ajdinjr11 
Price to performance > amd performance in games cuz better single and dual core performance > intel
2020-05-21 01:53
I have heard many cases in the community that amd performs good for 1st year or may be for 2 years and then there is a massive drop in performance and it's not the same for Intel is it true ?
2020-05-21 02:01
#92
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Hungary Gulaash 
these sounds like silverII opinions coub.com/view/2dj89u
2020-05-21 16:56
#70
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Lithuania Krandish 
should i wait for 3300x or get 2600?
2020-05-21 02:31
#93
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Hungary Gulaash 
3300X is better for pure gaming (no streaming, no video editing etc...)
2020-05-21 16:57
#242
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Lithuania Krandish 
then probably will pick up 2600 or maybe 3600
2020-05-24 12:07
Just switched to AMD ryzen 5 3600 and im more than happy. Cheap processor which can out perform i7 Right now AMD have better stuff than INTEL and if you look in to the future AMD is going to beat INTEL on future processors price/performance hands down.
2020-05-21 09:36
LOL 3600 can't even out perform i7 7700k in games and thats 3 years old
2020-05-23 17:05
performance is actually almost same. Only the price tag is different i7 is around 300e and ryzen is around 200e But if you wanna pay more for same performance its your problem
2020-05-23 17:32
who actually now buys 3 years old cpu new? if you actually wanna get good performance and save money then just buy i7 as used for 100-150€ ?
2020-05-23 17:39
with same logic you can get ryzen even cheaper
2020-05-23 17:40
sure, it's possible to buy both of them for 150€ right now from 3rd party. Now when the prices are the same do you pick the better intel cpu or worse amd?
2020-05-23 17:44
why you think price would be same? when i7 is 300e as new and ryzen is 200e...
2020-05-23 17:50
I'm expecting you to have higher IQ than that, I've heard you have good education in Finland. Browse your local 3rd party markets and find a used 7700k for 150-200 euros.
2020-05-23 18:25
Dude look if you cant find better prices its not my problem.
2020-05-23 18:30
Not sure what you are trying to explain again, but i'm not looking for a new cpu. I'm happy with my 9700k
2020-05-23 18:34
#76
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Brunei cyLoL 
AmD better than intel cuz A is first letter in alphabet
2020-05-21 09:43
0/8
2020-05-21 15:20
Lmao in games like what? Sure older games form the single core era will run better but every game after 2018 is better on Ryzen because Devs optimize for multi core. But I know it's b8 bc Hltv smart men must know this
2020-05-21 15:23
Clever people knows that you won’t notice the ingame FPS difference between a 10700k and a 3700x anyway.
2020-05-21 15:31
How many ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! threads today ?
2020-05-21 16:24
Intel has inferior IPC and terrible consumption, 225W for a desktop CPU is terrible, it's not a high end platform with quad channel memory, it has NOTHING to do with the Xeons or Epycs, and it consumes more than first gen ThreadRipper, this is stupid. And for what??? a gaming crown that will be taken by november???? by christmass all Zen 3 R7 and R9 will be out, with a 18-20% ipc increase over Ryzen 3000 , and will have better FPS in gaming than the 10900K while consuming 150W , so basically intel literally launched this nonsense for a 5 month adrenaline ride???? , LGA1200 will only support 11 gen refresh and then will be ditched. I feel sad for anyone buying into this nonsense, unless you're rich of course.
2020-05-21 17:03
so better go with amd?
2020-05-23 11:07
If you have a PC that can play CS at 100fps or more stable, and most AAA casual games that you play at 30fps in HD , no, i say you wait until december, keep saving money and then buy out, since you will be able to build Ryzen 4000 and mid range mobo, with gpu that performs like a 2080Ti for less than 500U$D. IF your pc is too unusable, then buy an X570 mobo and a R5 3600 with a cheap RX 570 4GB and keep saving money, then in december buy up, at least 4700X + RTX 3060. Ram should always be at the very least: 2x8GB 3000MHZ.
2020-05-23 12:26
I will probably buy a monster system next year. 2000€ easily.
2020-05-23 12:59
Best choice. 4900X RTX 3080 Ti 32GB Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K 60FPS Ultra Ray Tracing easy.
2020-05-23 13:00
what u think where will I be pricewise next year with your mentioned system. (I dont care about how my case looks btw, Im all out for performance)
2020-05-23 13:01
probably 1800EUR in Germany. CPU 500$ GPU 1000$ Ram 250$ 250$ left for Mobo and SSD, you got it covered easy. Though perhaps a 3080 non-Ti will suffice , im assuming you have a good PSU. The 3070 will tie performance with the 2080Ti , the biggest questionmark right now is what will Nvidia do with the price, AMD needs to release RDNA 2 before RTX 3000, if so, the 3080Ti may cost less than 1K , 800$ (still +100$ over the 1080Ti at launch).
2020-05-23 13:05
I need a PSU also
2020-05-23 13:05
big off, then start over. NZXT E650 (Better than EVGA Supernova G2) = 140€ B550 = 110€ 4700X = 350€ , 4900X = 500€ RTX 3060 = 350€ RTX 3070 = 500€ Ram = 2x8 3000mhz 100€ 2x16 3000mhz 180€ SSD we dont know because Corsair and WD have to release their new models, right now a 500GB PNY 3000MB/s r/w is like 150€ December will be the best moment to buy because of black friday, but Next Year will do too!
2020-05-23 13:11
but black friday is not in december bro ;) ty for infos!
2020-05-23 13:12
oh...in U.S Argentina Brasil and Canada it is, my bad.
2020-05-23 13:13
in USA its end of nov.
2020-05-23 13:13
I also want to play on my 144hz benq, which means only full hd but as many fps as possible. I like more fps better than sick res.
2020-05-23 13:13
yeah it will be no issue at all, 2080Ti + 9900K in 1080P already do 100fps in AAA title with max settings (except aa of course). Add +50% performance to all that...its gonna be brutal. AMD will have mid-upper end GPUs that outdo the 2080Ti too, im only recommending Nvidia because of DLSS 2.0 If AAA titles start supporting DLSS 2.0 , you will be able to do 1080P 240HZ without an issue as well.
2020-05-23 13:16
what is dlss2.0 (sry Im a noob)
2020-05-23 13:17
my plan is just to get the best system money can buy at that point in time. it will last for 10 years.
2020-05-23 13:19
Yeah it will last you 10 years if you buy the best, it will be the best point in time, just like the 2008 i7 920 was perfectly serviceable in 2018. DLSS is image reconstruction, GPU takes a 1280x720 image, uses its Artificial Intelligence hardware to put together a 1920x1080 image and you get 1080p quality with 720P performance, it truly was nearly impossible to tell the difference between native and reconstructed with the 2.0 version of DLSS check it out: youtube.com/watch?v=YWIKzRhYZm4 1 thing i will assure you, you put a 4900X and a 3080Ti to render a 720P image, you best get a 240HZ monitor, or perhaps 4K 144hz reconstructed.
2020-05-23 13:43
this is amazing.
2020-05-23 14:05
2500€ is no biggie either.
2020-05-23 13:07
u keep changing flags :D
2020-05-23 13:00
Outperforming. Sure, except Intel only does so in one category and only with a clumsy solution needing so much cooling you'll need $150+ of cooling to make it happen. Going with Intel means being stuck in PCI Express 3, buying a motherboard that will handle the next CPU and being content with so so multi core performance.
2020-05-21 17:07
you have no idea what you're talking about kiddo go to sleep.
2020-05-21 17:14
intel > amd /closed
2020-05-23 11:13
#119
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Brunei cyLoL 
AMD > Intel stop living in past
2020-05-23 12:30
Intel better at games,better fps, better single core performance, quality cpu, less temperature After 1 year AMD is overheated as f. Cheap details
2020-05-23 12:32
> Intel better at games,better fps intel better at old games by a small margin, worst at newer games and sucks at everything else > quality cpu What? Expected from low iq ruski. > less temperature assets.hardwarezone.com/img/2019/06/ryze..
2020-05-23 12:57
cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core.. Always Ive tried Ryzen mens and got a lot of fps drops cuz I had only 2133mhz on my ram
2020-05-23 15:55
So, beside being more expensive and having higher temps it also losing in random titles by a small margin : youtube.com/watch?v=phKLyU2ObEw Intel fanboys malding.
2020-05-23 16:39
Nvm my previous comment. I noticed your name, you are a known autist.
2020-05-23 12:59
You can stop talking and save yourself right now. Let us do an experiment. You buy an i7 9700k, and ill put my 3700x against it. Let us see if you will feel that 5 fps more. You will have to get an extra cooler for around 30euros extra. And then as last part let us talk again how your intel performs in about 3 years, when games start to use more cores etc.. you'll regret buying that 9700k from then on. Yeh sure you could buy a new one then, but it wont perform a 20% better than my old 3700x. While you paid 400euro for a 9700k. And probably 400 again for a new cpu. While i am still rocking with my 300euro cpu.
2020-05-23 13:11
Intel will never die, bro. The only reason for it - there are too many fools around that has zero knowledge about hardware. edt. they should be proud for having that loyal (dumb) supporters :D
2020-05-23 16:42
Ofcourse they will never die. But a person that has a bit of brain, chooses for AMD. Who the fuck would give 400€ for a cpu while a 280-300€ cpu only gets 5fps less, but will last you longer, and will outperform that 400€ cpu when gamedeveloppers start pumping up the usage of cores/threads
2020-05-23 17:53
Check the text in "edt" section :D
2020-05-23 17:54
ah, just found another good source for spot the retard
2020-05-23 12:35
The truth is , for MAJORITY (like 99%) of users , there's no noticable difference in usage between intel or amd. IT's all about marketing and what people read on internet/saw on youtube. Most of u base ur opinion on these 2 factors , articles or youtube , and never had both from same era to compare with each other. So the whole thread is really pointless IMO, unless u like to argue with others for fun.
2020-05-23 12:39
#149
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Europe twitchy_ 
+1 Plus they only read benchmarks when the max they do on multitask is play csgo while stream for twitch. There's more things than IPC and clock speed, and a lot of benchmarks are misleading, because they only measure what they can measure, but there are a lot of different workflows and workloads on any program. Is not the same to use a 3D program to render an image than use it to model, animate, rig , simulate fluids... plus 99% of real softwares are not very optimized on parallel work, so there's no black or white here.
2020-05-23 13:20
Indeed. U explained it better than me :)
2020-05-23 14:13
GL rendering or streaming on intel.
2020-05-23 12:53
Console wars is dead and now we have this "Intel vs AMD" shit. ffs, why does it matter so much to you what cpus other people use??????
2020-05-23 13:04
When people say AMD is for poor people, i giggle a bit. AMD people can afford a good cpu and heating for their house. People that buy intel get a free heating system with it for their house , so poor people buy intel to save on both. I have had an 9700k, and now own an 3700x, anf i will never change back to intel.. i barely hit 55 degrees in game, while i only had 2-5 fps more on the intel system, but that thing went hot. My girlfriend almost wanted to cook our diner on it... oh btw, still have the stock cooler on my amd.
2020-05-23 13:07
#151
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Israel geturlolon 
the 10900 can go up to 330w now, it's a space heater!
2020-05-23 13:25
If my heating in my house ever breaks, that is the moment ill buy a pc with an intel cpu.
2020-05-23 13:37
I dont get why people would fanboy a brand. Just buy the best product and if there is no difference, buy from the smaller company for better competition
2020-05-23 13:11
Stop simping for brands -if you do nothing besides gaming get intel -if you want to game and want much better rendering performance get amd
2020-05-23 13:17
#158
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United Kingdom AlywOw 
That is sort of fault information, rendering is GPU process. Adobe even published that all rendering is dedicated to GPU, 2 minutes Full HD video render on high end CPU would take 56 minutes while on mediocre GPU it's less than 2 minutes. I think you meant compressing rather than rendering.
2020-05-23 14:06
Rendering is GPU process if you render on nvenc, if you rendering on x264 = its cpu. Also its never better to render at nvenc, unless your CPU sucks balls or intel.
2020-05-23 16:47
#179
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United Kingdom AlywOw 
It's always better to render with GPU because it is way faster, only when time doesn't matter it is better to use CPU.
2020-05-23 17:44
I was rendering for a brief period of time on GPU after i got a new one (2060s) and return to rendering on my 2nd PC using fx8320 (3600x on main pc, but i rather render a bit slower on fx while play smthn good on 3600x, than vice versa). I wouldnt say its much faster to render on 2060s over 3600x.
2020-05-23 17:52
#188
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United Kingdom AlywOw 
Seems reasonable but I don't think that 2060 is a render card. I still have GTX 690 that is a render card to me, so many CUDA cores.
2020-05-23 17:54
#229
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Denmark Ulver 
Adobe Premier is 90% CPU utilization and 10% GPU. If you want GPU render you are way better off with Da Vinci Resolve.
2020-05-23 23:08
#238
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United Kingdom AlywOw 
Adobe states it’s GPU so I have no reason to trust you.
2020-05-24 07:21
we can thank amd for the 10th gen cpus recently released. fucking 8 and 10 cores with HT as default. 2 years ago they tried to sell you 4 cores as default roflmao. NOW thats a gamechanger, don't you think? more cores, more single core performance, higher boosts, more gaming and multithreading power overall. and why is that? well because AMD set a new standard. 6 cores + and Virtual Cores (HyperThreading/SMT) as a must have! you can say whatever you want about AMD but there is NO doubt Intel fanboys profit BIGTIME from AMD competition!
2020-05-23 13:22
#156
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United Kingdom AlywOw 
Agree with that, the competition here is at the highest level now. CPU are extremely cheap compared few years ago. I would still choose Intel over AMD but they are both very close now performance wise. I just don't like new release every year, impossible to keep up, games demand more and more performance now.
2020-05-23 14:02
I always been fine for years due to overclocking. you are not forced to upgrade every year, except you buy i3 or lower tier i5s...who does this has either money and doesn't care or is an uninformed idiot and has bad decision making/buys the wrong product. I went fine with 3 cpus for the last 15 years! The Core2Duo CPUs were just too good to be true. In 2006 I bought an E6600 and upgradedto a 4670K in 2013. As a late christmas present I build a new PC with an 9900K in January 2019. first two cpus were in a price range of 220 EUR. that was a good deal in my eyes, the 9900K is probably over the top but I had the money and didn't want to wait another 6 months for the ryzen 2 release so fuck that. I bought an AiO watercooling and am fine. I buy a good CPU and run in till end of life or next gen of games demand it. this means below 60fps, stutter, frame drops etc. I buy when my gaming experience is influnced severly else I go as long as possible with the CPU. I could and did overclock my 4670k to 4.5 GHz stable with Air cooling! Default is 3.4 GHz. the funny thing I hadn't have any issues with other games except csgo, where I had drops below 200 fps with WQHD (new display upgrade from FullHD) If I had stayed with FullHD resolution I could still use the 4670K I guess...enough power for eveything. the point is, if you buy any CPU above 200 EURS and 6 cores...you are fucking fine. no matter if AMD or Intel these days. if you want the best of the best....well Intels single core performance is still a thing. If you aren't on a budget, Intel is still a great choice with a slightly advantage but only if you are OK to pay some extra cash for it!
2020-05-23 16:20
#184
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United Kingdom AlywOw 
Again you are partially right but the thing is that for the last 3 years of serious competition between AMD and Intel they pushed the cpu performance so drastically that even if you bought i7 7770 3 years ago the new i3 10100 is on the same level and cost 120 US dollars. Performance is increasing way faster than it was in the past.
2020-05-23 17:53
well I guess that's a good thing. except the ones with an i7 7700K maybe ;) but it has always been like that...every 2-3 years you will have 50% and in 5-6 years 100% difference if you compare your old to newer CPUs performance (just estimated, real numbers can differ). I mean I had 4 cores with the i5 and now I have 16 Threads! How insane is that? And all cores run with 4,7GHz...that's just amazing. welcome to 2020 I guess and it's gonna get even hotter! and again, 10gen intels are like a jump straight to 11th gen thx to AMD. that's why it feels like the older gens fall off so much.
2020-05-24 00:10
#150
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Israel geturlolon 
oh boy i cant wait to lose 10% of my performance because intel has another security hole! t. man who has had i7s since they came out
2020-05-23 13:23
you forget that gaming makes up a tiny % of the whole market and this is where AMD is ahead, also, the difference is so insignificantly small that it doesn't matter
2020-05-23 13:47
First of all ipc on ryzen is better than intel, only reason intel "wins" is because of the insane overclock now... but they will not be able to reach those high clocks on 7nm or less... atleast not anytime soon... So they have to rely on actually making a better cpu instead of increasing the clock to save their ass.. but who knows when they actually come out with a NEW cpu. One reason you cant overclock much on the ryzen 3000 series is because its 7nm and the connections are insanely small and wudnt be able to handle voltage as good as an 14nm.
2020-05-23 16:28
#209
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North America 007DBR9 
amd = innovations and efficiency intel = higher clock speedz
2020-05-23 20:03
It doesn't outperform it. AMD didn't release their best CPUs yet. Meanwhile, Intel had done all their shots. Their balls are empty now. AMD can still make 30000000 Children's.
2020-05-23 16:56
#208
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North America 007DBR9 
+1 intel prematurely showed that the only thing they can do is bump clock speeds and re-enable hyperthreading with the tradeoff of +100 watts
2020-05-23 20:02
if money was not a variable its pretty obvious everyone would pick intel. i built an AMD machine and felt so disappointed with the performance, pulled the build apart returned everything and bought everything intel. i was getting double the fps with intel, 500 to 700fps constant against 250-350fps with amds garbage cpu
2020-05-23 16:57
lol. what amd cpu?
2020-05-23 17:00
#207
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North America 007DBR9 
why the hell would I choose intel? I'm not sacrificing 5% better frames for a cpu that can do literally nothing in terms of recording/streaming/encoding
2020-05-23 20:01
The thing with the money is... people realise that Intel are scammers that hit the image of Intel
2020-05-23 20:11
Love how ppl in brazil all get double fps with intel.. meanwhile everyone else only get 0-5% better fps with intel.
2020-05-23 22:32
The below image pretty much explains your thought process. preview.redd.it/5ddp2n4zqg051.jpg?width=..
2020-05-23 16:57
#206
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North America 007DBR9 
+1
2020-05-23 20:00
For sure I will try out AMD when they have to offer me better gaming cpu than i7 9700k @ 5.1ghz, at the moment NONE of the amd's offer similar single core performance.
2020-05-23 17:13
Stick to your overpriced Intel then.
2020-05-23 18:30
#195
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Canada rayrayrayray 
intel > amd when it comes to gaming and no amount of broke fanboys can change that
2020-05-23 19:32
#204
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North America 007DBR9 
because they put hundreds of watts into making clock speeds as high as possible it's really that simple, clearly you are n00b expected from finland
2020-05-23 19:57
#205
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Poland Kurwa_Jebana 
>Intel >Out performing AMD pick one lol. Intel is fucking WANK. It will forever be wank. AMD Ryzen killed Intel.
2020-05-23 19:58
I think amd fans are just some sort of SJW's tbh. at least for CS
2020-05-23 21:29
When you think about it Intel is just one letter away from being 'incel'. Scary stuff...
2020-05-23 21:56
Imagine being Intel fanboy lol
2020-05-24 11:59
so amd doesn't suck that bad anymore nice job if money is tight and power bill is the only concern go for it.
2020-05-24 12:22
intel in 2k20 LUL
2020-05-24 12:24
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