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stat doesn't win games
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Brazil Mysterious_BR_guy 
in a team game like CSGO with professional and organized environment, stats means almost nothing if you are playing your daily MM where everything is a mess, it may be a good indicator, but when you play in a team with specific roles and pre-determined setups, strats, etc, then stats aren't a reliable indicator of a player skill FAZE AND NAVI LEARN THAT ONCE FOR ALL, THAT'S WHY ASTRALIS ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD
2020-05-20 16:07
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Europe Telsek 
amen
2020-05-20 16:08
you know to whom i sent this message right?
2020-05-20 16:10
#73
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United Kingdom Pandify_Denje 
nice keep encouraging MM talantless scrubs that can't play for sh*t and then go "my tim nubs cent keri me fakink tiim , me hef new mouse and 2 kills me not problem"
2020-05-27 02:59
flag checks out
2020-05-27 08:35
#119
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Portugal KLUKSA 
yikes/10
2020-05-27 09:12
#2
autimatic | 
United States Bioax 
i think this has been established already
2020-05-20 16:08
nah man... look at the HLTV threads ..... a bunch of amateurs retards who only checks stats
2020-05-20 16:10
too many s1mple fanboys, that's how you know
2020-05-27 01:37
+1
2020-05-30 20:33
#94
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CIS cardison 
where in brazil are u live in men
2020-05-27 08:24
Tokyo
2020-05-30 20:32
#201
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CIS cardison 
dont click on my profile nd not answer.. where in brazil are u live in ?
2020-05-29 18:42
astralis stuck together and worked it out contrary to faze who just kicked karrigan and realized it was a mistake
2020-05-20 16:11
actually i directed this message to s1mple i admire him but he can't think his teammates are trash just because of his stats, in a team based game, directing towards objective(which is winning rounds) is more important than KDA If s1mple wants to win a Major he needs to understand that his teammates need to carry him too
2020-05-20 16:15
well who can carry him? electronic is incosistent, flamie is good with pistols but garbage elsewhere, boom is decent i guess, perfecto is a good anchor but needs more experience and at times he seems lost and uncomfortable. the problem with this team is the mentality boom doesn't seem to be able to keep s1mple in check and he seems to tilt alot more nowadays. zeus was good at that but he was also garbage when it came to aim/mechanics so i guess it was some sort of trade-off
2020-05-20 16:24
"well who can carry him? " >>> again... you are thinking on stats again, that only K/D ratio matters when we talk about carrying which is not true. Example, look at Furia and see how arT plays, or even Vini (when he is inspired) plays... Carrying does not mean focusing on K/D ratio but in the objective, and for this, any one from NaVi are able to do it, even if that mean negative K/D
2020-05-22 19:25
carrying means keeping your team in the game by yourself which simple has to do alot. thats not nessecary a bad thing he is their star player afterall. but im assuming with your furia argument that you're talking about having players that fulfill certain roles to a good degree, but i also dont thing they would be doing as good without kscerato or yuurih who is alot of the times carrying them over to the finish line. stats arent everything, but they help out alot in a game like this.
2020-05-22 19:46
"but i also dont thing they would be doing as good without kscerato or yuurih who is alot of the times carrying them over to the finish line" >>> YOU ARE JUST BRAINDEAD, I AM TRYING TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER ASPECT OF THE GAME AND YOU STILL INSIST ONLY AT K/D RATIO /CLOSED
2020-05-22 19:49
i have never talked about kd, you are. considering you dont know the definition of the term "carrying" i have never said art is a liability in the team, i think he has been doing good both kd wise and support wise.
2020-05-22 19:58
#75
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United Kingdom Pandify_Denje 
facts men)) Never seen a team with 0 kills on each player to win a match , have you? FRAGS MATTERS! Being a DECOY doesnt helps your team either. Dont compare other teams to Astralis. Astralis has 5 great individual players , all of them have carried the team and all of them can FRAG TOGETHER AS WELL. If you play versus Astralis , you need your whole team ON POINT if you have 2 players that only gather info and dies immediately without causing any damage and just WASTING weapons / utility etc well good luck.
2020-05-27 03:04
astralis strongest straters, but also strongest puggers. Xyp9x insane clutches, glaive / dupreeh insane deagle. Device never let an eco go wrong for them always really clean with any weapon. What can you do, you can't deagle them in buy rounds you can't strat them off cause all clever. ggwp
2020-05-30 19:21
+1 arT might be one of the best entry fraggers at the top level nowadays, not the best K/D or rating but he definitely wins FURIA matches even he dies FURIA can generally win the round
2020-05-27 09:36
not only him, at the last match Furia vs Chaos, Vini had done some sick plays in many rounds, despite not being the most rated player of the match
2020-05-28 02:11
"electronic is inconsistent"
2020-05-22 19:26
since nerf kring eletronic dropped off alot , and that was alot after zeus retired
2020-05-30 21:02
0/8
2020-05-30 21:51
hltv.org/stats/players/8918/electronic?s.. Krieg Nerf 10 april Look at the "Form in filter" after 10 April. Zeus last match was in September 2019.
2020-05-30 22:39
Cry is free, nobody cares.
2020-05-30 22:47
typical hltv guy /closed
2020-05-30 22:49
/opened mens)))))))) /closed
2020-05-30 22:50
electronic under zeus comand was consistent, boombl4 playstyle doesn't fit for him
2020-05-22 20:00
He himself had lesser adr than electronic on 2 of the lost BO3s in rtr. He is going after stats that's why Na'vi can't do shit.
2020-05-27 09:36
again i am not putting blame on s1mple... on the contrary on his coach and teammates.... you guys are only seeing KDA and ADR the game nowadays is much more than this
2020-05-28 02:13
lol okay I'm just showing how one stat is bad and one is good. I can see and analyze multiple stats so stfu.
2020-05-28 09:27
Please quote me when s1mple said his teammates are trash
2020-05-22 19:47
I think he never said that but after all the recent results for NaVi when he is ridiculously top fragging by a great margin and still losing, he is probably right now thinking his teammates are not good enough but this way of thought is wrong
2020-05-22 19:50
What we do know is adreN said he's far worse than the public thinks, and he's constantly giving teammates shit.
2020-05-27 01:39
lol adreN his ex-coach at Liquid, obviously would talk bad about s1mple since he left the team in order to justify their choice of not keeping him so that is not valid, i think a neutral opinion by FPL's players and other pros are more sensible to listen
2020-05-27 02:29
No, because if you shit talk a player after they've played in your team you're burning bridges, and you become less attractive as a team, so there's less incentive to do it. Sometimes it's a mistake, other times it's so justified they just do it. Other pros? Who don't play with him in a team environment? lmao yeah sure. For those that do play with him in a team currently, impossible to get them to talk. FPL? Yeah we've seen how bad his personality can be in FPL, now imagine when the stakes are much higher. Let's count the teams he ruined internally by being a shithead; flipsid3, HR and Liquid, why can't he be the reason Na'Vi has internal problems? adreN wasn't his coach at the time either, he was a teammate. Supposedly EliGE wanted out of Liquid because of s1mple being an asshat in the team back then too.
2020-05-27 13:32
are you paid to be that much hater of a computer electronic game player? "No, because if you shit talk a player after they've played in your team you're burning bridges, and you become less attractive as a team, so there's less incentive to do it." >> so naive
2020-05-28 02:04
Yeah I get paid more than your net worth for every letter I type.
2020-05-28 02:31
edgy teenager
2020-05-29 06:10
You are 100% correct. The guy is the embodiment of a toxic baby. We've seen how he acts in fpl, and he isn't just going to magically change into a supportive player during actual matches. He is the sole reason that his teams are never successful. He is toxic, baits his teammates, plays for stats, doesn't play to win, and constantly shits on his teammates killing morale. There are so many clips of him screaming at his team. Any rational semi intelligent person can put two and two together.
2020-05-30 19:44
I think this is very likely, but we'll never know if Na'Vi would be better without him until they actually decide to go through with such a change in reality. Which likely won't happen, because he's already been with the org for like 3+ years now (?), and his brother works with them as well.
2020-05-30 20:19
It's never going to happen unless he intentionally leaves. Which sucks for players like Electronic because he is a damn good player who would do better with another org.
2020-05-30 20:53
Imagine just assuming what someone else thinks based off of absolutely nothing and just making up pure bs and then making a thread about it saying its wrong.
2020-05-27 03:27
based off of absolutely nothing? again the faze vs fnatic first map confirms once again, for 2 consecutive days why relying only at those stats are flawed
2020-05-28 02:03
You have no idea what simple thinks about his team or his performance or the teams strategy lmfao. Pure speculation nothing more, as someone already pointed out to you, he's never said his team are trash so you have no reason to think it and thus no reason to make a thread about it
2020-05-28 03:51
0/8 my point in this thread was never about s1mple's thoughts on his team, my point is about how flawed are the current stats
2020-05-29 06:23
"I think he never said that but after all the recent results for NaVi when he is ridiculously top fragging by a great margin and still losing, he is probably right now thinking his teammates are not good enough" "he is probably right now thinking" 0/8
2020-05-29 06:26
that was just an off topic discussion bro lol
2020-05-29 07:08
bruh you literally said this was directed at simple
2020-05-29 18:06
s1mple needs to start opening up more space for his team instead of the other way around when his teammates are feeling off and he's feeling good. All too often I just see him hitting nuts shots but sitting back and letting them open up space for him, and sure he does get the kills, but does it matter when your whole team is dead because you were so busy padding your stats and have to end up saving because the enemy team have a favorable 3v1 or something?
2020-05-22 20:41
nah mate you didn't understand my vision of the game, it is possible to be very useful and win games even with negative KDA
2020-05-27 02:30
Yeah, I can see that. That's why I think stewie2k, boombl4, SANJI, etc. are underrated. They're doing the worst roles that are both tilting and unrewarding, in order for their team to succeed.
2020-05-30 20:21
agreed i am not sure about sanji though, boombl4 yeah and stewie2k of course, always negative KDA but very crucial for the team
2020-05-30 20:25
I haven't watched VP since the major, but he was always one of the first to go in, and he always sacrifices his economy so Jame can shine with his green stick. I think that's underappreciated, and even when doing all of that, he's outperforming AdreN who doesn't seem to sacrifice himself nearly as much. Out of those I mentioned, I think stewie2k contributes the most, if you count what he does outside of the server as well. Keeping their competitive spirit going, being the one to hype them up, being the mid-caller, etc.
2020-05-30 20:29
i see i haven't watched VP games too recently
2020-05-30 20:29
#78
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United Kingdom Pandify_Denje 
I'd make sure s1mple stays alive for as long as he can because of his ability to clutch rounds if something goes wrong. Like Astralis do , Xyp9x is last alive soooo damn often.
2020-05-27 03:07
That's not the main reason xyp9x is kept alive though. On CT-side he probably just plays on the less common site. On T-side dupreeh IS THE BEST ENTRY they could use in Astralis. gla1ve is a great lurker, and it's a great role to play as the IGL as well. Not completely sure what the other 2 do on T-side, but the main reason xyp9x goes last is because the other players are great at what they do and he's the best support-type player in the game. s1mple is better off being second entry or entry, noone could do it better than him in the team aside from electronic imo, but instead he has to buy the AWP and chill in the back. Honestly if a player is the besto n the team it doesn't make sense to force him to clutch all the time because that just lowers his effectiveness, they should instead ideally be able to trade immediately after info, like what EliGE used to do on Liquid before role change-up, or open up the map like NiKo /ZywOo
2020-05-27 13:38
The other 2 : Device is chilling , magisk is second entry with dupreeh. I love watching dupreeh/magisk duo on Inferno such a kreygasm watching both of them entrying on A site short , one peeking site and one clearing pit.
2020-05-27 23:47
Yeah makes sense, I think magisk is the best player alongside device on Astralis, and since he's a rifler it's totally reasonable and effective to have him as a trader.
2020-05-30 20:22
he doesnt think that look at him how happy hes been aftrer joining of boombich and perfecto
2020-05-27 08:14
#77
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Russia NorthRussian 
Kicking karrigan wasn't mistake
2020-05-27 03:05
#79
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Malaysia Amerka! 
0/8
2020-05-27 03:17
While it wasnt maybe the best thing they could do it was still understandable, he didnt perform well and team lost confidence for his leadership, it's another thing that HLTV people dont seem to grasp. WTF would he do there if no one would listn to his streats😂😂
2020-05-27 07:54
That's basically childish and non professional
2020-05-27 11:45
#114
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
+1 revisionist history hard at work Just like those following cs in 2016 know that kicking zeus wasnt a bad choice
2020-05-27 09:04
+1 karrigan is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo overrated
2020-05-27 09:34
#9
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Finland Karppanator 
I think this is true to some extent but in non-pro matches best predictor of success is high stats.
2020-05-22 19:26
yeah i agree, at non-pro matches are true until a certain degree if one of the 5 players stop playing for the objective(which is winning rounds) and starts playing only for K/D then that team chances to win are reduced
2020-05-22 19:52
there's 2 type of good stats in non pro games: 12/20 89 adr in 25 round, also 23/17 76 adr. also being nice should be a stats aswell
2020-05-22 20:03
#116
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
Adr is a good stat but can be easily overrated There is no perfect stat in cs Adr can be boosted by exit and eco frags
2020-05-27 09:05
well, 25 kills with 60 adr means u are a baiter or lurks a lot
2020-05-27 15:51
#161
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
Or it means u didnt hunt eco or exit frags, u got ur entries and clutch kills U dont know the full picture
2020-05-28 04:34
i agree on clutch kills, but the best signal of non baiting is impact kills and good adr these two combined are the best stats for sure
2020-05-28 14:35
+ 23748347834 there is no perfect stats, but you can refine some stats to emphasize another aspect of the game/meta game
2020-05-28 02:07
true i had 61:23 and still lost
2020-05-22 19:27
not sure if baiting or not....
2020-05-22 19:53
why u think its a bait ?
2020-05-22 19:57
They do though. As a team if you have bad stats you will lose most of the time, its why the team that wins tends to have the higher rating.
2020-05-22 19:30
not really mate. look at Furia's recent games
2020-05-22 19:54
On the 2 maps they won vs Liquid they had a higher rating they were just close games the other one was 16-9 so it skewed the final number so no. You win because you put up good numbers and out perform the other team.
2020-05-22 20:29
lol look at Furia's game and some other team's game and if you look only in the ratings.... you cannot always distinguish who won only by ratings alone by themselves.... open your mind stop seeing only numbers, it's easy to manipulate numbers to a certain conclusion, numbers are limited and cannot express the whole reality in CSGO or in any other scenario besides that... if you know something about Data Science and Statistics you will know what i'm talking about
2020-05-23 00:11
But 95% of the time the team with the higher average rating wins the game because their players performed better.
2020-05-23 00:12
95% of the time? where did you get that number? i am sure have seen a couple of games recently with very equal ratings by both sides
2020-05-23 00:15
Find me games, where on on the maps the team won they had a lower rating, there arent that many compared to ones where they had better stats and won. Not series individual, maps.
2020-05-23 00:16
oh boy kkkkkk i will not search all the previous games where that happened though lol i have more thing to do in my life, but if you are really interested to understand my POV check cautiously all the stats of all the incoming matches and take in consideration everything that i said if that's true or not bye
2020-05-23 00:18
hey bro i have just remembered you now we a perfect example of what i was saying, look only at the stats of Faze vs Team Spirit and you will even think that Faze lost, everybody has negative KDA
2020-05-27 01:18
Only on train, if you look at the other 2 they are very close and faze had better stats on D2 and won. Also if you look Team Spirit had like 7 people play not 5.
2020-05-27 01:25
you mean only train it's very discernible who won the game only by HLTV stats right? the other map Dust2, both teams stats look very very close mainly if you pay attention to KDA and Nuke is the best example of why relying only on stats may not mean something useful to hint which player really performed good
2020-05-27 02:34
But thats one map, if you look at 99% of the map, the team with the higher average ratging wins, stats do win game, kills win rounds, try and win a round without atleast getting an entry, its rare.
2020-05-27 02:35
nah mate.... i called before... i have noticed some patterns since the beginning of this year with "weird" games.... keep noticing bro
2020-05-27 02:38
No, you will see 99% of the time the team with the better stats winning the most.
2020-05-27 02:40
nah it's more common and you aren't noticing , stats have their flaws bye
2020-05-27 02:56
btw it happened again, Faze vs Fnatic first map so it's not only 1% that it happens, it's the second time we are realizing it. plus there could be much more t2/t3/t4 games where that happen as well
2020-05-28 02:08
No it didnt. Map 1 1.01-1.03 for faze. Map 2 0.99-1.16 for faze And faze won both maps.
2020-05-28 02:54
hahahha ok mate
2020-05-28 03:27
What do you mean ok mate, if says there team ratings, its their performances averaged out, faze averaged higher. You cant just be proven wrong then dismiss it.
2020-05-28 03:33
ok hater, if you are really blind to what results are bringing to you, then you are just plain dumb it has been only 3 days since i called you to pay attention to skewed stats and today Navi vs Ence 2nd Map Dust2, we again have stats which can't define who was the proper winner judging only by what is presented by HLTV one more example: 100Thieves vs Cloud9 in the 1st map Dust2, the same situation. So again I have proved that the example i brought before was not an outlier but a consistent data to demonstrate my thesis: STATS (AT LEAST THE ONES IN HLTV) ARE NOT PERFECT AND HAVE THEIR FLAWS!
2020-05-29 06:18
ENCE had a higher rating and won, it was a clase game with close ratings so im right again. The vitality game also proves me right.
2020-05-29 06:44
#13
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Other Random69420 
Agreed
2020-05-22 19:30
ty bro, I predict a good future for Herectics if they keep improving themselves
2020-05-23 00:06
#24
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France Carrotaboy 
Wise words
2020-05-22 20:01
ty bro but beware Vitality, i predict their fall if they keep the way they are doing right now
2020-05-23 00:06
true on 1 game not true on 100 games
2020-05-22 20:04
so why s1mple keeps losing despite his Godlike stats?
2020-05-23 00:12
+1 but s0mple wont change that cuz he cant change his ego
2020-05-22 20:40
actually i don't think it's s1mple's fault only. the fault is more on the coach and his teammates who should try to actually win the game instead of relying too much on s1mple
2020-05-23 00:13
#29
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Germany Enlay 
+1111
2020-05-22 20:41
Stats can win games though
2020-05-23 00:19
lol no stats are the consequence , not the cause of a win
2020-05-23 00:34
Yeah I know
2020-05-23 00:34
so why did you reply me?
2020-05-23 00:46
Because stats are a good indicator
2020-05-23 00:48
not really.... even more HLTV stats.... i don't agree the way they calculate the player's final rating and even impact
2020-05-23 00:49
Yes stats aren't everything, but they are a good indicator on whether or not a player is good. Some players are clearly worse than others and stats lets you easily see that.
2020-05-23 00:50
Here I have to disagree stat is not a good indicator in a high level competitive scene... even more with incomplete data that HLTV collects and the way they rate the players...the are other variables that are important to evaluate a player's real skill at this level... but i will not go on in order to not get a ban by Jonathan E or Martin lol
2020-05-23 00:55
Too late(((((
2020-05-23 00:55
#80
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China CantBanMe 
"StAtS ArE noT A GooD indiCaToR I DOnT WAnT TO GiVE DeTAiLs BeCAusE i Will Get BAnNEd By JonAthan E" god you are soooo cringe & stupid you have to be baiting but sadly you aren't...... TOP 1 player has BEST STATS, is this a COINCIDENCE? is it just some random ranking? top 1 player should be gla1ve right or maybe COLDZERA? OH i'm onto something you are a COLDZERA FANBOY mad that s1mple's the actual GOAT and puts your favourite player to sleep anyday all day and HAS better stats too holy shit it all makes sense now! Delusional Coldzera fanboy!
2020-05-27 03:17
stats are flawed that's what i mean, a more complete and perfect analysis of player's performance should not rely on stats(at least not at HLTV stats), because the game now is much more complex and it requires other variables that interpret better the current metagame at pro level
2020-05-29 06:21
#47
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Lebanon Dogman69 
stats in 1 game doesn't say much stats in 100, 1000, 10000 starts to make sense
2020-05-23 00:50
it depends on which stats we are talking about and how they are created/calculated i argued something similar at #49
2020-05-23 19:08
so if 5 s1mples would play versus 5 gla1ves, who would win?
2020-05-23 00:51
i think 5 gla1ves could win despite him less skilled than s1mple but s1mple has brains too so if he finds out a way to get duels 1vs1 on every round he can easily dominate
2020-05-23 19:09
#56
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China CantBanMe 
0/8 edit: no matter the scenario s1mple always wins this are u fucking delusional in what world does Gla1ve win? 5 players with 1.32 rating 0.86 KPR > 5 bots with 1.04 rating 0.62 KPR also less deaths per round and more contribution for s1mple.. like what? it's not even close
2020-05-27 01:31
the 5 s1mples would just bait and flame each other until they all ragequit except for one arbitrary s1mple. Then he has to 1v5 and will tilt and lose.
2020-05-27 01:41
#62
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China CantBanMe 
Or the 5 simples would be on the same page and have perfect synergy because their thought process would be the exact same and completely destroy the FUCK out of gla1ve
2020-05-27 01:54
#67
OKAYYY | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh 
5 glaives would use utility so perfectly that the acne wouldnt stand a chance
2020-05-27 02:36
acne kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-05-27 02:37
they would completely destroy gla1ve in any gun duel, but if you take in consideration strats and mid round calls gla1ve is far superior not always the team with higher firepower wins the game
2020-05-27 02:37
#74
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China CantBanMe 
LOL delusional /closed MiD RoUnD CaLlS BtW, 1 s1mple is good to kill 2-3 gla1ves anyday, 5 s1mples could take on 10-15 gla1ves s1mple goat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gla1ve bot
2020-05-27 02:59
They would all think the others will be bait.. how would that work? Lmao
2020-05-27 05:42
#121
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Croatia cLutcheR7 
What a s1mple c**k rider. I mean its true they would destroy gla1ve anyday of the week cause of aim duels, but remember that we have 5 s1mple with same personality and attitude. They possibly could flame one another and baits. Also if gla1ve did well with utilities they might get s1mple off guard. and when it comes to aim duels he might actually have a chance 4-5/10 atleast.
2020-05-27 09:17
#136
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China CantBanMe 
giving credit to clearly top 1 player of all time is Cock riding apparently? cringe lord hater mentality. I give respect where it's due doesn't matter who's top 1 if the player's consistently destroying the scene by himself I'll give him credit, you're just a salty p*ssy with no clue what the fuck you're talking about cringelord7 new nametag for you go change fast. "If GlAaIVE USe UtiLiTy" Do you realize what you're saying? You're saying that Top1 player x5 Would lose to 5 utility BOTS? Do you know what being the top 1 player involves or means?Do you even understand what it means to have 5 guys utility based against 5 guys that can do everything and anything better than any other player in the world? Do you realize gla1ve would have to play positions he's not comfortable on? what do you expect team gla1ve to do? throw a bunch of utilities? LOL wtf.. stop making a fool of yourself silver bot you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Also, how would one person create conflict with himself? How will s1mple be toxic to himself? what? if his teammates are himself I think it's the dream team for him, he wouldn't flame himself? 0 IQ /closed
2020-05-27 11:35
Ho would bait for s0mple then?
2020-05-23 19:12
Astralis are very good by stats, wdym?
2020-05-27 01:42
i haven't analyzed Astralis stats in a while so i will keep an eye on it but what i am certain is that that is not true for other pro teams (only in Dreamhack event, i can bring at least 4 examples of it, and i am not even searching for games who corroborates for my thesis)
2020-05-29 06:26
it depends on the case very much
2020-05-27 01:47
i think that in the current CSGO meta, the "traditional" stats cannot translate a player's performance with flawless accuracy as they did in the past
2020-05-29 06:27
do bad stats lose games though?
2020-05-27 03:03
#98
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic sujkic 
yes, look at simple bad stats simple = toxic, game lost, cuz teammates are pissed good stats simple = toxic, cuz he's "god", game lost cuz teammates are pissed
2020-05-27 08:42
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-05-29 06:28
Yes. I can’t believe that some hltv actually thinks simple is a top player.. he is just a baiting stathunter. Never win anything playing solo for stats.
2020-05-27 05:41
a real example is yesterdays match faze vs spirit, in all maps every member of faze got negative k/d but still won. teamwork makes the dream work
2020-05-27 07:25
they won because mir power outage and then abusing the stand in, not because teamwork
2020-05-27 07:55
The comeback on d2 happened with mir still on the server and their T side on nuke was just amazing , FaZe would have won regarldes. Also , FaZe had a stand-in as well.
2020-05-27 08:01
They played OT without mir no ? And spamming ramp where stand in is playing in T side is not amazing t side, it just shows that they had no idea what to do else than abuse stand in. FaZe stand in is different than having stand in middle match
2020-05-27 08:31
But that's a logical thing to do right ? If you find a weak link you abuse it.You think astralis would have played it diffeently ? They would have abused that ramp spot where the stand-in was , and so would anyother team.
2020-05-27 08:57
It is logical no doubt, but it doesnt make your previous statements true
2020-05-27 08:59
#99
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic sujkic 
wdym? 14-14 D2, Faze post plant 2 players alive both like 20 HP Mir full HP, some utility and AK... unfortunately he crashed and it was 15-14 for Faze, if he wouldn't crash, there was a big possibility for him to win the round and secure 15 for Spirit. If it happend so, Faze's money would be shit, so they won't have proper buy, unlike Spirit who'll have full buy and one of their best players And the match could very well end 2-0 for Spirit
2020-05-27 08:46
The comeback started way before 14-14 , at that point it was already to late even with mir. 2 low HP players sure but bomb was planted and they had awps , they could have played that shit how ever they wanted.
2020-05-27 08:56
#117
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic sujkic 
Comeback didn't mean anything at that point, both players will be dead by one hit and Mir could've easily clutched this. As well as he could fuck it up, but he usually doesn't. Dude had 30 kills already, I think and his mindset was good, so there was really high chance of him clutching it. One of the players alive was Broky, sure he's one of the reasons why the round went in favor of Faze, but let's be honest, he didn't show much lately and in these situations he doesn't stand the ground. The other player was Niko, I think, who came from 0 to hero on D2, so it's hard to say who would've win the round. But if Mir didn't crash, the map could very well go to the Spirit and the match would end 2-0
2020-05-27 09:06
#122
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Croatia cLutcheR7 
+1
2020-05-27 09:18
+ 243894398493 finally someone noticed, Faze vs Team Spirit was the best example why we cannot rely only on stats and now i can bring more examples: Faze vs Fnatic Dust2: hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/103226.. Navi vs Ence at Dust2: hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/103284.. 100Thieves vs Cloud9 Dust2: hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/103292.. we can search for more other games and we can find similar examples, but i am just lazy and i am only now analyzing the data from the "biggest games" from Dreamhack
2020-05-29 06:34
this happened again, at this charity tournaments final navi vs mousesports at inferno, everybody had very similar stats by both sides, but for those who saw the game s1mple was clearly the one who saved that game despite negative KDA hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/103460..
2020-06-01 01:04
when you have great stats , but iq 0 , then it makes your ego jump 1000%
2020-05-27 07:57
#123
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Croatia cLutcheR7 
+1 no offense to chinese players I see in CSGO
2020-05-27 09:19
#124
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Croatia cLutcheR7 
actually most of the time I am better than them they only know skins
2020-05-27 09:19
agree to a certain extent when the player is not fully aware of why his stats are high like that his ego may jump 1000% but he is a wise one he can see he cannot only rely on stats to judge his and his teammates' performance
2020-05-29 06:37
+1
2020-05-29 13:57
ok dog player good player = good stats
2020-05-27 08:04
i expected a more elaborated answer from a nordic country here in the monkey land, where most of us are mocked by being a monkey, we seem to have more brain than you nordic betas
2020-05-29 06:38
expected from br
2020-05-27 08:05
lol thank you that was unexpected Russians are very smart too, i know the best Mathematician in the current times is a Russian who solved an unsolved problem for years
2020-05-29 06:39
Bad stats doesn't win games either. It's just pathetic excuse for bad players that stats doesn't matter.
2020-05-27 08:12
Its like the concept of a support player. Somehow being support means you can be shit to these people.
2020-05-27 08:16
#101
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic sujkic 
Do xyp9x or krimz look like a bad players to you?
2020-05-27 08:48
They have good stats even in support, the issue is bad player hiding behind their role. hltv.org/stats/players/4954/Xyp9x?startD.. hltv.org/stats/players/7528/KRIMZ?startD..
2020-05-27 08:51
#109
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic sujkic 
Well I think that it isn't like that... I think, that even support players, even if their stats aren't as good as others, they can be decent players, but their playstyle fits more to the support role and usually there's someone with better aim and reactions in the team so they are assigned support role, so they can set their teammate up. Unfortunately not everytime this works and the entry or star player is killed and then the support player is caught with nade in the hand or they just don't have enough time, to ajdust their aim and trade the kill.
2020-05-27 08:56
Good players will find impact in any spot, its that simple.
2020-05-27 08:57
true, but what means "impact"? the one showed by HLTV stats? how you measure that "impact" according to the current metagame in the pro level? that is the question
2020-05-29 06:41
i never implied that i did the negative opposite: good stats not always means a good player
2020-05-29 06:41
#97
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Romania SkipG 
NT olof
2020-05-27 08:39
And then there are KD players on Faceit, that are willing to lose games and bait their whole team just to get that juicy 1.1 KD ratio
2020-05-27 08:46
this is s0mple playstyle
2020-05-27 09:12
another reason why KD ratio is an overrated stat
2020-05-29 06:42
toxicity doesn't lose you games, bad players do -some guy 1969
2020-05-27 08:48
Even the coolest players will become toxic if you are bad enough for long enough. I rarely get angry at people but if i see someone make the same mistake for the 10th time when theyve been told i start to get a little pissed, its like if you team flash me and i die and it was an accident fine, but the third time in a game im going to get annoyed.
2020-05-27 08:52
it's a meme, sry m8
2020-05-27 08:53
But its actually true in many ways. Bad players tend to make other players toxic because they want to win.
2020-05-27 08:53
#107
Zeus | 
Ukraine Najara 
ofc s0mple baited Rating 2.0 on group stage with tier3 teams then even don't go to play off cuz lose When CS GOD Dev1ce makes Rating 1.2 and won the tournament in playoffs
2020-05-27 08:55
#125
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Croatia cLutcheR7 
dev1ce won't do shit without his team. s1mple can win the game a few times and I know this actually disagrees the statement "stat doesn't win games" but remember s1mple has good gamesense and aim duels making him win the round or should I say making "NaVi" win the round.
2020-05-27 09:21
#126
Zeus | 
Ukraine Najara 
hahah "gamesense" - he is a dumb as hell 12 iq player can only overpick and push
2020-05-27 09:27
#127
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Croatia cLutcheR7 
im no s1mple fan also amazing reply coming from Ukraine guy. We always get overconfident when we are getting kills. I mean sometimes we know when to stop if we want to be careful but I think what s1mple is trying to do is outplay his enemies by pushing off too early without expecting but of course he overpeeks too much and relies on his aim sometimes losing the round.
2020-05-27 09:30
#128
Zeus | 
Ukraine Najara 
>s1mple is trying to do It's cuz he has a Huge Ego He thinks that He is a God of CS GO LMAO youtu.be/HIsIo3kymYs?t=231
2020-05-27 09:32
#129
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Croatia cLutcheR7 
I do agree with that. also tf did s1mple can't hear him well if not I do not understand his language
2020-05-27 09:33
#133
Zeus | 
Ukraine Najara 
someone asked s0mple - "why u don't play FPL? Too long search?" s0mple gets triggered and starts to say very bad words to him and then ban him so toxic LMAO
2020-05-27 09:37
#134
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Croatia cLutcheR7 
xaxaxax he should be kicked from FPL
2020-05-27 09:39
here i have to disagree s1mple is pretty smart and this is proven by his insane clutches i dare to say he is as smart as coldzera in clutching situations
2020-05-29 06:45
Stats are things to help you understand the game, if you look for mibr's games on Coldzera's time, Taco was always negative, but he was the first guy jumping and dying for cold so he could trade kill him and on CT side he always make the first contact vs the opponent (but stills underperform), Nowadays he is not doing the entry fragger role often, like on D2 for example,kng normally goes first and fer trading, but Taco keeps not impacting on the T-side, playing passive and losing clutch duels that a tier 1 player should win, so numbers can help you to see bad perfomances, but you need to watch the game and see why a player died, what should he have done, why he is not fragging so much and how his numbers impact on the team. And ofc we need to understand how the game changed, because we had the lurker era, guys like happy, gtr, shox, were very impactful on their roles, nowadays the game is focused on a well supported entrance in the bombsite+fast trade kills to generate numeric advantages for the team.
2020-05-27 09:02
agree, very nice analysis btw i am not saying we should simply throw every stat in a trash and ignore them...no.... i am saying that there should be other stats, there should be another way to create and calculate stats, something that reflects better the current metagame in pro level and recently we have seen some examples of games which clearly contradicts the stats: the best one was Faze vs Team Spirit "because we had the lurker era, guys like happy, gtr, shox, were very impactful on their roles, ">>> you forgot the best lurker in CSGO: fnxNTC
2020-05-29 06:50
Meaning taco had a bad stats because he was shit player and cannon fodder which can be anyone that can use mouse ?
2020-05-29 18:27
stats mean everyting you dumb bottomfragger
2020-05-27 09:04
#120
sdy | 
Sweden god_sdy 
I think only current NaVi are still employing the strats of playing around a single individual. Vitality used to do it and of course SK back in the days when they set up coldzera for clutches. FaZe tbh play more team-oriented...It kinda surprises me, but NiKo is really versatile and really opens up space for his mates to shine as well. I just think FaZes problem isn't so much in the individuals but they lack a plan B if the individuals don't go nuts. As we could see in the game on Train vs Spirit for example where Spirit had a much stronger gameplan they just locked FaZe out of the game completely and they had no plan B to fall back on other than what usually works which is setting up the individuals and get kills. Perhaps that is a weakness in FaZes current game that they sometimes lack deep strats to get them out of tough situations. But on the other hand, it's easier for their fanboys to blame it on single individuals.
2020-05-27 09:17
unfortunately i did not watch that game only some highlights so i cannot put an opinion on Faze's gameplan and strats
2020-05-29 06:52
#135
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United States WelderBurger 
very true
2020-05-27 09:43
ty bro
2020-05-29 06:52
bottomfraggers' thread if you had good aim, you wouldnt complain nerds.
2020-05-27 11:47
why are you so mad? this is the 3rd reply of yours i have seen in this same thread wtf
2020-05-29 06:53
ur shit
2020-05-27 11:50
It would be nice to see rating in mm
2020-05-27 11:51
what "rating"? the one showed in HLTV? or another one that Valve devs can calculate?
2020-05-29 06:53
whatever you like but Valve could do it for MM easier
2020-05-29 09:12
Most of the time people dont realize they are only positive due to hunting on eco rounds and afterplants (5v2 5v1 4v1 3v1). Those are the same guys that see some pro with negative frags and asking the team to kick him. The famous eco warriors.
2020-05-27 12:11
that's why KDA is the most overrated stat in my opinion and not only on FPS games, in MOBA games too
2020-05-29 06:54
that's why astralis and g2 are best teams in the world*
2020-05-27 12:11
g2 is doing a lot good despite their weak line up
2020-05-30 19:13
#145
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Lithuania KingOfPing 
When 2 or 3 players always bad stats u lose most of the time. Also better whole team similar average stats and win instead 1 player show and lose. Of course happens when 1 player show win the game, but u can't win tournaments with only 1 player show all the time.
2020-05-27 13:41
"When 2 or 3 players always bad stats u lose most of the time. " I have recent examples at Dreamhack that contradicts your statement: Faze vs Team Spirit: mainly the 2nd and 3rd maps, in the end everybody had negative KDA and won lol Faze vs Fnatic Dust2: 2 players with very negative KDA (-9 and -6) and still won Navi vs Ence at Dust2: Ence with 3 players with KDA equal or lower than 0 100Thieves vs Cloud9 Dust2: 100T with 2 guys with very negative KDA(-4 and -7))and still won
2020-05-29 07:04
#191
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Lithuania KingOfPing 
stats mean not only K/D
2020-05-29 08:49
the average of ADR of both teams were very similar for both sides too
2020-05-29 08:50
#193
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Lithuania KingOfPing 
i'm talking also about adr, kast, flash assists, first kill wins, clutch situations won. Player with big minus on K/D can be one of the best on your team if he do big adr, flash assists or won couple important clutches, + playing for info 3v3, 2v2 situtions and die but this can win rounds also.
2020-05-29 08:55
ANOTHER EXAMPLE, STATS DON'T WIN TOURNAMENTS(CHARITY TOURNAMENTS) CHECK OUT NAVI VS MOUSESPORTS AT INFERNO hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/103460..
2020-06-01 01:02
nothing checks out
2020-05-28 03:36
just because I am Brazilian then i am a brainless monkey that's what you mean? hahaha don't forget that one of the nationalities with highest number immigration through high skilled labor are Brazilians :)
2020-05-29 06:56
I mean baitzera, i like his play and hes insanely talented but holy shit he baits a lot to get higher stats
2020-05-29 13:54
lol nice try coldzera is doing entry in most of retakes and even as a T many times
2020-05-30 19:12
0/8
2020-05-30 19:41
hitler was also the star of history but without his commanders and soldiers, he would have been nothing. u need ppl doing the dirty work for u to become the greatest.
2020-05-29 18:09
Its bullshit , stats do mean a lot , sure they dont paint whole picture and good stats may not be enough to win games.... but bad stats are not good for anything... Bitch role , support player and other excuses are stupid.... If you are that and dont have stats and impact what are you doing? Throwing some smokes and flashes? Fucking Legija can do that
2020-05-29 18:13
the question is what do you mean by "bad stats"? negative KDA? look at Flamie today game.... he won a couple of crucial rounds at Nuke against Faze despite his negative KDA... he carried that game with s1mple in my opinion
2020-05-30 19:15
you can say it means bad rating as it counts bunch of stats ... Didnt watch the game but INf simple 1.77 flamie 0.8 vertigo wont even mention and decent rating map3.... Somehow i doubt he carried that game.....Anyway, even if he did had those ,what should we call them , moment of brilliance where he clutched and shit its one game... friendly match even....
2020-05-30 19:30
s1mple carried but this time his teammates actually helped the team to win, specially Flamie that's what i meant, they were working much more as a team
2020-05-30 19:35
he maybe helped him on nuke... he mos def didnt help him on first 2 maps...Or maybe he did.... by throwing that perfect flash and smoke? making noise and shit? stuff like i said Legija can do?
2020-05-30 19:40
only at nuke Flamie was important at other maps not that much
2020-05-30 20:26
So let me get this straight... on maps he had shit rating he was playing shitty and on 1 map he did decent , stats shows that...Meaning overall he was shit in this game and stats show that....so whats your point again?
2020-05-30 20:39
my point is that in Nuke at least his stats don't reflect his actual decisiveness for NaVi win
2020-05-30 20:42
ah yes... decisiveness .... his stats are 8/10 for that... get the fuck out of here with that bullshit
2020-05-30 20:50
lol did you watch the Nuke map?? except for his troll save in the last round i didn't noticed any another mistake from his part
2020-05-30 20:50
so what you want to give him a medal or something? Dude except that triple kill with cz didnt do shit worth mentioning ..Cant believe i wasted my time watching that map
2020-05-30 22:06
that triple kill with cz was really decisive, besides that he didn't do any mistakes as far as i remember but of course s1mple did most of the frags
2020-05-31 21:41
At this point im not sure if you mess with me or not... In first half he was either caught off guard or caught people not looking anf 2nd half he had 1v1 clutch and 2 good ramp rounds.... He didnt do bad but he didnt do any specials either... He just did decent... No really dumb move but ni smart moves either lol most average performance i saw lately
2020-05-31 22:26
ok mysterious gay
2020-05-30 19:14
expected from braindead German
2020-05-30 19:15
expected from mysterious gay,respeita o nenem
2020-05-30 19:16
br fakeflagging as german expected retarded response
2020-05-30 19:17
expected gay response
2020-05-30 19:17
gaules fan?
2020-05-30 19:20
no
2020-05-30 19:38
ok
2020-05-30 19:17
s1mple saved last map Inferno against mousesports at this Charity tournament and he gets only 0.98 rating hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/103460..
2020-06-01 01:05
#233
cam | 
United States girls 
it wins games ,just doesn't win championships))))
2020-05-30 20:54
NOT REALLY MATE! NAVI JUST WON THIS CHARITY TOURNAMENT AND LOOK AT NAVI AND MOUSE STATS IN THE DECIDER MAP, INFERNO: hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/103460..
2020-06-01 01:00
#235
Thorin | 
Sweden Kubey 
How you gonna win the game if your whole team go 5/16 ?
2020-05-30 21:25
#239
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Turkey device_top_1 
device #1
2020-05-30 22:38
D13
1.84
Bren
1.93
Bravos
1.39
SWS
2.99
Syman
1.15
Adaptation
5.10
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