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top10 players of all time (GO)
JaCkz | 
United Kingdom SherlockOfHLTV 
I saw a shitty list and made mine. 1.) s1mple - s1mple may not have a major but he has won an ESL One Cologne and a IEM Katowice which are pretty much majors but ALL the top teams and one CIS or NA fluke team doesn't make it to playoffs because of a bunch of best of ones. 10 mvps 8 trophies 2.) device - could totally be #1 but he doesn't have the "godmode" that s1mple has but he has been top5 for 6 years now. Won 4 majors, 20 trophies and 15 MVps, most ever. 2 major mvps. 3.) get_right - top1 for 2 years straight, invented lurking in Global Offensive and set the bar for players like Happy and flusha. You never knew where he was going to come from and would destroy your rotates. 10 mvps and 22 medals 4.) coldzera - as much as I dislike him and his playstyle, he was extremely consistent on the best team of 2016-2017.. He has 2 major MVPs + wins, the highest rating at majors ever, 12 trophies, and 8 MVPs, and back to back top1's 5.) kennyS - greatest AWPer to ever play Global Offensive. He has had the second highest peak of all time only surpassed by s1mple. Kenny is the only AWPer to ever be the best player in the world. He set the bar for aggresive AWPers like Fallen and CeRq. Valve literally nerfed the AWP because kenny was so outrageously good with it. 1 major MVP and 10 MVPs. While he might have any top5 in HLTV's ranking he was clearly better then the three players placed above him in 2014. (the ppl that placed above him were JW, Snax, and pasha who were obviously worse players then kenny but just on better teams) 6.) olofmeister - This guy was absolutely insane. He would run out with a tec9 and kill your whole team while entrying. To this day, olofmeister is the only player who entry fragged and was the best player in the world by far. This guy was absolutely scary when him and krimz went onto a site together. While he is ranked higher in HLTV top20's, he has always had VERY good teammates that made him a little better then he actually was. (flusha JW and Krimz). He won 2 majors, 1 major MVP, 23 trophies, and 6 MVPS 7.) flusha - he was so good the whole entire cs community thought he was cheating. He is probably the smartest player to ever play counter strike and for my money a top3 clutcher in all of Global offensive. He ALWAYS steps up when you need him especially in majors and in big matches. His passive, lurk, and calculated style was the reason his teammates like JW and olofmeister could be so aggresive. He has 1 major MVP and 4 MVPs, 3 majors, and 20 trophies. #2 in 2014 (arguably #1), and #5 in 2015. 8.) GuardiaN - he has been on almost all of the top20 from hltv, he has been in competition for best awper in the world from 2013-2018. That's five straight years of being one of the best AWPers in the world. He pioneered the stable AWPing style (the opposite of kennyS) but I remember a GuardiaN flick. #2 in 2015, 8 MVPs, and 17 trophies. 9.) shox - kind of a controversial pick but he was been one of the most complete players in all of Global Offesnive. He could be the best AK player in the world, best pistol player, best clutcher, and could secondary AWP. Towards the latter part of 2013 after NiP were extremely dominant he was the best player in the world. In 2016 he got back to one of the best players in the world and blowing teams out of the water with ScreaM. He beat prime LG in a final with bodyy, RpK, and SmithZz on his team while IGLing. He has the most clutches in Global Offensive overall and could pull off unreal clutches. i.e 1v4's do or dies in overtime in the grand final crazy. He has won 1 major, won 14 trophies, and 4 MVPs. 10.) NiKo - NiKo has been a top3 player since 2016 on mousesports but he did have a rough 2019. He could pull of insane deagle plays consistently and has the best aim in Global Offensive history. He's been the best AK player for just as long and could one tap your whole team before you could even react. He has the highest rating at a tournament ever. He could be a lot higher but he lacks a major win and seems to always choke in big moments when it matters most. He's won 10 trophies, 6 MVPs and has gotten #2 and #3 in 2017 and 18. honorable mentions (Not in order and im probably missing some): Snax, Fallen, Krimz, f0rest, and happy
2020-05-21 06:39
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Thoughts?
2020-05-21 06:39
#39
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United States Shmikeb0b 
#1 JaCkz
2020-05-22 06:27
#59
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North America 007DBR9 
crazy that with honorable mentions over half of the prime fnatic roster is mentioned
2020-05-22 07:16
Good list, great arguments, but u will be hated 100% after this, those haters are crazy stupid, have a nice day btw
2020-05-23 09:03
Very good list. Nice that you included background and stats. I learned a few things :o)
2020-05-23 21:36
device 1st NiKo only 10th? f0rest not top 10 wtf? And flusha better than f0rest?
2020-05-21 06:40
And IEM Katowice and ESL One Cologne aren't majors anymore otherwise Astralis would win both of them
2020-05-21 06:42
IEM Katowice and Cologne have BETTER teams then the majors and no fluke teams ever make it to the playoffs. When have you heard of Gambit, Avangar, or Immortal making it to the finals of Cologne or Katowice?
2020-05-21 06:45
Because it's a major, it's different, more teams are challenging for a spot in a major etc.
2020-05-21 06:47
I agree majors are alot more valuable to a career but they're still very prestigious tournaments
2020-05-21 06:48
And? That's what I'm saying, s1mple doesn't win the most prestigious ones device GOAT I'm a ZywOo fan but u gotta admit that device is the best
2020-05-21 06:50
So-called "prestigious tournament" sees Australis playing ence and astralis playing avangar to win their majors. Cologne and katowice sees way less flukes
2020-05-22 07:25
and ? teams overperform because IT IS a major and u cant say that winning an esl one cologne is easier than winning a major who can say that navi weren't a fluke at iem katowice ? or g2 ?
2020-05-22 08:04
I don't think that navi was fluke, ofc bcs i am navi fan, but totally dominating in playoffs, it's not like fluke, it's like team showed us what they can do if everyone plays at max
2020-05-23 09:06
sure but what i mean is that avangar were playing well (vitality were shit against avangar tho) but they played decently at the major sure, they overperformed, but navi too at iem katowice
2020-05-23 09:08
Actually when it comes to LAN again, we will find out about navi form, maybe it was huge overperforming or it's normal on LAN, rn online they are trying to adapt, but I don't expect navi to be good online
2020-05-23 09:10
i agree on that they suck online
2020-05-23 09:12
Navi is super inconsistent online, that's my first normal dialogue with zywoos fan, cuz i am s1mple's fan :D
2020-05-23 09:20
x) i'm a zywoo fan but i aint dumb i can agree with someone that doesnt think the same
2020-05-23 09:22
That's good , i am not dumb s1mple fan too Gl bro
2020-05-23 09:24
nice mens)) flair and name check out B)
2020-05-23 09:31
btw ence were playing good after that
2020-05-22 08:04
#86
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
You do realize that astralis beat the better teams in the earlier playoff matches, and its purely how the bracket shaped that caused that no fault of astralis themselves
2020-05-23 07:44
U know, every big event with a huge prize money has to be played by everyone 9n max level of prepare, cuz everyone was preparing for kato or cologne, it's not like blast used to be
2020-05-23 09:04
You say that but ence was in the grand finals of Katowice 2019
2020-05-21 06:49
LMAO +1
2020-05-21 06:50
ENCE was a top3 team for a couple months after and beat astralis in a best of 3 grandfinal and breaking their nuke streak of 33 straight.
2020-05-21 09:06
And now #20 in world how is that not a fluke
2020-05-22 07:08
#56
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North America 007DBR9 
you have aleksi flair you know better than this
2020-05-22 07:12
big and c9 cologne finalists lmfao
2020-05-22 08:26
f0rest was never the best on his team
2020-05-21 06:43
And? He's still top 10
2020-05-21 06:44
He was only top5 once when competition was much worse and the eye test isnt that crazy either
2020-05-21 06:47
Sure whatever, expected from UK CS
2020-05-21 06:49
I'm NA but k
2020-05-23 08:50
even worse
2020-05-23 09:07
#87
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
Olof was only top 5 once How is this a disqualification
2020-05-23 07:45
f0rest was also top5 once and was #2 in the least competitive year of cs olof was #1 in arguably the most competitive year in all of Global Offensive
2020-05-23 08:45
#112
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Argentina Shuanx 
+1
2020-05-23 09:14
#7
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Ecuador Ageless 
#7 flusha ??? Cloud 9 vs FaZe on Cache Katowice 2019, worst clutch by a pro ever
2020-05-21 06:46
that was one time bro but i agree
2020-05-21 06:47
#12
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Ecuador Ageless 
holy shit bro flusha had like 3 different chances at the end there to win lmao, it hurt to watch from a spectator perspective, idk what he was thinking
2020-05-21 06:48
idk man any team with kioshima, golden, autimatic Zellsis, and RUSH would make anyone think weird shit
2020-05-21 06:49
#175
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Japan coffee_bean 
flusha 2 aces in 3 rounds in a close train win in grand final remember? Flusha deserve #7 spot
2020-05-24 04:35
switch flusha and niko, rest is pretty accurate I hope hunter also makes his way up there, kovac brothers gonna destroy everyone and someone please tell people that shroud wasnt in top 10 in cs....literally all his fanboys think that he was the best in cs during his time.
2020-05-21 06:53
shroud most overrated player ever in csgo history
2020-05-21 09:17
+1
2020-05-21 23:25
#32
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Brazil nuke_brs 
He’s only overrated by the people who watch his streams and don’t really follow the pro scene because I’m pretty sure 99% of people here knows that he is nowhere near top tier players
2020-05-22 05:38
#46
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Sweden wtf_men 
flag doesn't check out, actually a good comment
2020-05-22 06:40
#48
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Brazil nuke_brs 
thanks
2020-05-22 07:00
#55
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North America 007DBR9 
simps smh
2020-05-22 07:11
Yeah always though this as well. He's pretty overrated among casuals but pretty fairly rated among people who actually follow/have followed the scene.
2020-05-23 09:33
#20
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Brunei cyLoL 
#1 is wrong
2020-05-21 09:08
well it’s either device or s1mple
2020-05-21 23:25
#24
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Brunei cyLoL 
Def not s0mple he shouldn’t be in any top 10 for baiting ppl
2020-05-22 00:37
#47
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Sweden wtf_men 
you are nowhere anything for your bad bait either
2020-05-22 06:40
#76
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Brunei cyLoL 
I don’t think I’m good at csgo and I’m not baiting with my comment but s0mple does bait with his play and shouldn’t be too 1-10 anything unless it’s best at baiting team for stats
2020-05-22 13:55
+1
2020-05-23 10:48
#25
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United Kingdom bigbbanger 
I feel Olof is a bit higher than #6 considering he has the most trophies won and the record of 14 major playoffs in a row
2020-05-22 00:43
#26
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Brazil hugoooo 
There is no fucking way s1mple is the best player of all-time... his achievements deny that. Because of that, I would but him in the bottom of the ranking, with NiKo.
2020-05-22 00:56
He has the best stats, skill, and impact on the game that only kennyS at his peak could dream of having. He has been top4 at 3 majors and second in 2. He's won an ESL One Cologne and IEM Katowice which have literally every single top team and won MVPs for both. He's won a ESL One NY which also had all of the top teams.
2020-05-22 04:56
#29
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Brazil hugoooo 
I know all that, thanks for remembering me. Still, no Major (and no Major MVP obviously). He has the skills of the best player, but not the glory.
2020-05-22 05:21
#33
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Brazil nuke_brs 
Not saying you are wrong but his list is about the BEST player of all time, not GREATEST player of all time
2020-05-22 05:40
and yet he put NiKo at #10 for that exact reason
2020-05-23 08:57
If stats/skill count but achievements don't, either you put s1mple #1, NiKo #2 or if the list actually made sense it would be s1mple #9, niko #10 since NiKo actually have more achievements than s1mple (Only 3 tier1 events ever won, 0 majors)
2020-05-23 10:50
#161
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Denmark ardes 
You have to determine how you base your ranking though. If you put such emphasis on individual accolades i.e. placing s1mple at no. 1 then you've got to follow the same logic with the rest of the list.
2020-05-23 13:57
nice ranking mens)) i disagree a little with the placements but otherwise i'd put the same 10 players (maybe fallen or fer deserve a spot)
2020-05-22 01:01
# 1 Device *
2020-05-22 05:32
#31
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Germany Enlay 
replace shox with f0rest
2020-05-22 05:33
f0rest has never been the best player on his team
2020-05-22 06:31
#89
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
2016 nip won 3 trophies F0rest was the only top 10 player on his team F0rest >>>> shox in csgo He isnt a snake which also adds value
2020-05-23 07:47
f0rest has also never been the best player in the world in Global Offensive, while he is #11 or #12 and he only won MVP at Oakland. So he definitely wasn't "the only top10 player"
2020-05-23 08:42
#34
arT | 
Brazil nich1 
good list, but you are overrating flusha wouldnt even put him in top 10
2020-05-22 05:56
#91
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
This may just be one of the worst takes ive seen on hltv Not to mention the entire BR scene owes flusha for donating thousands to kabum to let them travel to the major No flusha, no sk core majors
2020-05-23 07:48
#95
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Switzerland f3ni_ 
Even though he got my respect only for this move, it doesn't make him (statswise) a better player. Senor Vac is a insane player tho.
2020-05-23 07:52
+1 and flusha deserved #1 in 2014
2020-05-23 08:49
#35
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Brazil Matheuzinho 
No f0rest???? Wtf
2020-05-22 05:56
I like this ranking, but i would switch guardian and niko.
2020-05-22 06:06
fallen should be in the top10 in my view.
2020-05-22 06:13
Device S1mple Coldzera Olofmiester Forest KennyS Guardian Niko Flusha Xyp9x/ Dupreeh I dont know what get right is doing here , he was good in early cs go days (not considering 1.6) but has been shit after that.
2020-05-22 06:19
#40
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Poland FREDDY_KRUGER 
1. S1mple 2. device 3. GeT_RiGhT
2020-05-22 06:28
bro? dev1ce first, pls!
2020-05-22 06:28
I don't think device belong to this list
2020-05-22 06:30
why?
2020-05-22 07:15
#44
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Egypt Smartest_mens 
stopped reading at s1mple. he is a god and maybe highest peak any player can have. but this cunt with his toxic behaviour and tilt mode can never be the greatest in go. idc he has 0 major he will get 1 someday surely but he needs to work on his attitude first. majors, mvps, rankings means nothing if a player doesnt have the discipline as a sportsperson.
2020-05-22 06:32
#49
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Latvia Phenomennn 
who the f*ck cares about his behavior or personality? he is THE BEST PLAYER EVER which is important
2020-05-22 07:04
coldzera the only cs player who wins the game awards
2020-05-22 06:33
#50
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Latvia Phenomennn 
0/8
2020-05-22 07:05
#92
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New Zealand rOtten_97 
0/8
2020-05-23 07:51
#51
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Latvia Phenomennn 
1. s1mple 2. dev1ce 3. gtr / f0rest
2020-05-22 07:05
-NiKo, +f0rest
2020-05-22 07:09
#54
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North America 007DBR9 
you're underestimating JW pre nerf awp, he was really good too, also part of the reason it was nerfed.
2020-05-22 07:10
that's why I put him in honourable mentions my friend
2020-05-23 08:47
#164
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North America 007DBR9 
"Snax, Fallen, Krimz, f0rest, and happy" bro
2020-05-23 18:29
oh shit i meant to put him there mb bro
2020-05-24 01:17
#169
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North America 007DBR9 
brome
2020-05-24 01:26
#57
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North America 007DBR9 
for everyone saying flusha should be lower, he is literally deemed as the player with the best gamesense of all time
2020-05-22 07:13
#61
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Lithuania YankeeM 
1. dev1ce you don't even have to be astralis fan, just face reality. /close
2020-05-22 07:30
#64
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India _Jazz_ 
Good list
2020-05-22 08:06
#65
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Finland OldStager 
"7.) flusha - he was so good the whole entire cs community thought he was cheating" youtu.be/2tfyHmyjC9w?t=46 Is this just being "smart"?
2020-05-22 08:07
1.coldzera/olof/device 2.coldzera/olof/device 3.coldzera/olof/device 4.s1mple 5. Then rest follows
2020-05-22 08:21
#70
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Brazil MonkeyLover 
olof?? really?? Kennys,zywoo,s1,gtr>>>>>olof
2020-05-22 08:33
Olof holds the most lan trophies record ...I guess that counts a lot ...sure u r a new fag and get_right and Kenny kinda overrated ...where was Kenny all those years ..haven't seen get_right win anything after 2014...what has zywoo won? What has S1mple won ?
2020-05-22 14:05
#83
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Brazil MonkeyLover 
havent seen olof winning or playing for years.
2020-05-22 16:10
But still holds most lan wins and also 14/15 in majors
2020-05-23 07:40
olof top 3?
2020-05-22 08:47
Mostly 1 or 2 kinda debatable and check #73
2020-05-22 14:05
gtr top 3 overrated 0.09 never forget
2020-05-22 08:23
#69
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Brazil MonkeyLover 
great list
2020-05-22 08:32
#71
United States hdz` 
quality list. i like it. good work.
2020-05-22 08:40
I think device should be in first, not to disregard s1mple at all but its like saying a guy in the NFL who didnt win a superbowl the goat in football, etc. It doesnt feel right to give s1mple a spot at the top of a game he didnt win the most important trophy in the circuit. Skill wise hes top 1 for sure, but achievements should outweigh overall skill in a generalized GOAT list. A better example would be comparing cold and taco. While now it's much more decisively Cold, when TACO left for Liquid and Cold stayed in MiBR I wouldve said TACO had a say as the GOAT is Brazilian CSGO because he had more achievements. I still wouldve given cold it for the back to back top 1s, and the MVP count but TACO wouldve been a solid #2 for more overall trophies won
2020-05-22 08:45
#74
ropz | 
Europe Fatalist 
+1 pretty good top, but ofc in terms of achivements it`s device, in terms of skill it`s s1mple.
2020-05-22 08:49
okay dumbfuck JaCkz fan device,cold,GtR,kennyS>>>>>>>>>s0mple
2020-05-22 08:52
#116
ropz | 
Europe Fatalist 
why are u insulting people for their correct opinion and wrote your next dumb bait? When will you be banned finally?
2020-05-23 09:19
lmao cry more kid device 5 top 5s in a row 4 majors, 15 MVPs kennyS made all top 20s except 2, most consistent before his dip in form, 10 MVPs, 1 major GtR 2 top 1s, 10 MVPs, 1 major cold 2 top 1s, 8 MVPs, 2 majors meanwhile s0mple 1 top 1, 10 MVPs, 0 major
2020-05-23 10:37
#158
ropz | 
Europe Fatalist 
rly how are u still not banned i can't understand.
2020-05-23 13:30
lol cry more I did nothing wrong.
2020-05-23 21:30
boooring
2020-05-22 14:08
ecovice is individually so bad that if he played fpl he would be last pick.
2020-05-22 14:11
Device stats on fpl Wins: 128 Loss: 107 Avg kill: 21.98 K/D: 1.25 Avg HS%: 42 Triple kills: 313 Quad kills: 71 Aces: 7 nt
2020-05-22 14:16
device was literaly one of the guys that established FPL and he holds 1.25 k/d in it 0/8
2020-05-23 10:53
Actually best list I have seen I think. I would swap Device and Simple personally, but maybe I'm biased xdd
2020-05-22 14:13
s1mple top1 lol 1) dev1ce 2) coldzera/olofmeister 3) olofmeister/coldzera 4) flusha 5) kennyS/f0rest 6) kennyS/f0rest 7) Guardian 8) GTR 9) s1mple 10) shox
2020-05-22 16:15
#113
ropz | 
Europe Fatalist 
your top is a LUL
2020-05-23 09:16
#121
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Brazil arunino 
dev0ce #1 without top1s? olof with 1 good yera top2? s1mple only 9??????? LMAO
2020-05-23 09:22
dev1ce has been in top5 ever since csgo started. He is the most consistent player of all time without any doubt. olof not only was top1 on 2015, but also playing a vey high level of cs until last year. When you add his performances to his #1, imo he makes it to #2 s1mple higher how? How many tier1 tournaments did he win? olofmeister won more tournaments in 2015 than s1mple won his whole career
2020-05-23 11:23
#88
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Turkey Fongn212 
-olof cuz he was great for 2-3 years then dissapear slowly -shox for the same reasons +f0rest cuz hes consistently good +dupreeh maybe he was solid rifler/or electronic he was carrying flipside bots for years and play great in navi
2020-05-23 07:46
#127
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Argentina Shuanx 
electronic ??? This must be a bait
2020-05-23 09:24
#90
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New Zealand rOtten_97 
I would argue that: -device is above simple -niko should be a bit higher -guardian should be a bit higher -coldzera should be a bit lower -flusha should be a bit lower -change shox with f0rest -xyp9x should be in the honorable mentions if not at #10 Rest seems pretty good
2020-05-23 07:52
#94
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
The only 2 i agree with is ur first and last point Same logic for niko s1mple and guardian, no major = big lack in resume Niko and guardian ranking should be lowered for that aswell Flusha’s greatness seems to have been forgotten in recent years id argue hes #2 all time Cold 2x top 1 at least top 5 all time no lower
2020-05-23 07:51
#96
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New Zealand rOtten_97 
Added a new point just as u posted. And yeah, I can see where you're coming from, but I ranked them not only for achievements, but overall skill and awareness in game
2020-05-23 07:55
#174
EliGE | 
North America Beecs 
No u focussed on stats, i focussed on all 3, if i did achievements only then astralis core would all be top 5 niko simple and guardian not even top 20
2020-05-24 04:29
#93
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Switzerland f3ni_ 
Nice conslusion dude ^^ But i don't think that NiKo should be down there. I mean, we (probably) all saw his insane deagle shots. I can remember a insane 5k on cache, when the enemies were in middle and he in the a site...
2020-05-23 07:51
#106
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Brazil Br4tZ 
top 10 without fallen = joke
2020-05-23 09:07
#124
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Argentina Shuanx 
You delusional
2020-05-23 09:23
#129
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Brazil Br4tZ 
said the argentino
2020-05-23 09:24
#111
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Korea Abisusilojr 
GTR is MASSIVELY overrated, he dominated in a watered down era where no one knows how to play the game properly yet and it was a 5 map pool instead of 7. His lurk style worked back then because no one knew about it, once everyone could read him and nip, they instantly fell out of the top 5. i would have olof above him easily, the eye test alone and the raw skill that prime olof has just surpasses GTR's. Prime olof could literally use every weapon and be put in every possible role you want(except for IGL). He could entry, he could rifle, he could lurk, he could AWP. People forget that fnatic used to have an almost 7 map pool, where they were exceptional at 4 of them, yet they were decent at the other 2(cache and train), but were boosted to a top 3 team on those maps just because of olof throwing absolutely godlike performances there. Then in early 2016 ppl also forget that he took over the primary AWP from JW and was actually doing better than JW. I'm not saying that olof should be no.3, especially due to his lack of form this past year or so, but he definitely should 1000% be above GTR. Then the eye test, the amount of raw skill, the versatility that this guy has at his peak was unbelievebale, arguably the 3rd best peak after s1mple and kenny. Oh and to add a cherry on top, he has the most LAN trophies of all time. Oh and he also had better longevity that GTR, even after his horrible wrist injury, he was still putting up top 20 player numbers(2017- early 2018) even as the 3rd-4th best player on his team while sacrificing his star role to be a more of support, while GTR on the other hand was enjoying getting beat up by T2 teams and even got benched by Nip. Even now GTR is playing T2-3 CS and getting meh stats while olof is still playing T1 and getting shit stats, but it's still T1 nonetheless. TL;DR Peak : olof>GTR Versatiliy : olof>GTR Raw skill : olof>GTR Longevity/Consistency : olof>GTR Trophies : Olof >GTR Conclusion : olof>GTR come at me GTR fanboys (if you wanna get rekt with factual arguments :) )
2020-05-23 09:12
#114
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Argentina Shuanx 
Your argument has no sense. Literally what made GTR a legend was exactly that, lurking, he was the one who brought it to the meta, and it is true, he also fell in level after he was read, but still nowadays most teams have a lurker because of GTR idea of placing one player in the other fucking side of the map
2020-05-23 09:16
#133
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Korea Abisusilojr 
so making a meta in an era where teams just transitioned from 1.6 and source, meaning they don't fking know how to play the game properly yet, then completely falling off after 2014 should make him a top 3 player of all time? Teams that competed with prime Nip : verygames, that's it LITERALLY on the other hand these are teams that competed w/fnc that olof had to play : - TSM - Envyus/LDLC - Virtus.pro - Navi - LG(early 2016) - Nip - TItan GTR did shit when the competition got tough, while olof continued to dominate, heck even GTR wasnt the best player on his team after 2014 GTR was playing godlike from 2012-2014 then fell off like a cliff olof was playing godlike from 2014-2016, yet he still played like a top 20 player from 2017-18 oh and about that lurk meta, if he' so good at it then why did he fall off so hard when a player like happy won 2 majors in a way tougher era with literally the same 4-1 deathball lurk style setup. Because he simply doesn't have the skill to compete when everyone else gets better at the game. It's like you dominating a basketball game just because you had puberty 2 years before everyone else, then you completely fell out after another 3 years because now everyone is just as strong as you and even stronger
2020-05-23 09:30
ZyWoo was the other AWPer that has also been top1. KennyS was just the first AWPer. Otherwise +1 for a well thought out and clear post
2020-05-23 09:17
#122
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Argentina Shuanx 
But ZyWoo is not an all-time awper, in some maps he does not even use it, and has no issue in leaving it behind. KennyS back in 2014/15 would literally eco until he had an awp in his hands, he did nothing but awp
2020-05-23 09:23
#118
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Argentina Shuanx 
I really like this list, good job man, your arguments are well explained and backed with facts, although I would put flusha and guardian out of the list and replace them by f0rest and Snax, or just change Guardian by Snax, tbh he was the most intelligent player in cs for years. VP deserve at least one player in the list
2020-05-23 09:20
#119
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Brazil arunino 
1. S1mple 2. device 3. coldzera 4. get_right
2020-05-23 09:21
#123
TaZ | 
Poland Dzangow 
CS:GO top5 are: 1 - s1mple 2 - olof 3 - gtr 4 - device 5 - flusha
2020-05-23 09:23
#125
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Denmark minosss 
snax?
2020-05-23 09:24
#126
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Sweden ShageN 
s1mple is the best ever and GOAT in my opinion
2020-05-23 09:24
#130
Sunde | 
Denmark Houlden 
1. s1mple 2. dev1ce 3. get_right 4. coldzera 5. snax 6. magisk 7. flusha 8. f0rest 9. FalleN 10. shox / ScreaM
2020-05-23 09:27
not sure about top10, but top3 are S1mple, device, GTR
2020-05-23 09:28
+1 and shox also in top5
2020-05-23 09:29
s1mple is a GOD device is his son get_right is a son of his son
2020-05-23 09:30
#136
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Germany grimmtz 
S1mple has f*cking 1.32 rating. God damn legend! GOAT and #1 without any doubt.
2020-05-23 09:31
Actually nice top. The best I have seen from HLTV users
2020-05-23 09:36
Pretty Spot on list, would add rain, xyp, dupreeh and mby fer to honorable mentions. S1mple just the Most skilled player ever, device Most consistant but Never the best, Olof, GTR, Cold all had 2 insane years, being almost unbeatable. Kenny best awp ever, shoxie is a god, Guardian hardcore curry and Niko just deagle acing top 5 teams
2020-05-23 09:47
2013 device on major, simple no namer 2014 device on major, simple no namer 2015 device on major, simple tier 4 2016 device on major, simple farming stats in NA 2017 device wins 1 major, simple in navi 2018 device wins 1 major, simple loses 1 major final 2019 device wins 2 majors, simple baiting his teammates 2020 device god, simple washed up Cry is free Device >>> simple If you want to win games pick device If you want to watch highlights pick simple
2020-05-23 10:02
"simple farming stats in NA" Farming stats vs the top teams in all the world = NA?
2020-05-23 10:40
He only played the top teams at the biggest events every other event he was just farming stats
2020-05-23 10:55
he played 8 events with liquid, 6 of them had multiple top teams. He clearly wasnt farming stats
2020-05-23 10:58
agree but.....
2020-05-23 10:29
#142
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Russia Holdr 
Good list, agree Device was built on top of best team in history, s1mple is better because we saw his godmode gaming level in average team.
2020-05-23 10:32
S1mple GOD
2020-05-23 10:33
#144
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United States vip3r_k1ng 
+1 top tier list
2020-05-23 10:36
im simple fan but i think device should be 1
2020-05-23 10:37
Forest and gla1ve
2020-05-23 10:39
0/8 LMAO "s1mple GOAT" yet he only ever won 3 tier1 events and 0 majors Stats don't add anything if they come from hard baiting
2020-05-23 10:44
+1
2020-05-23 10:51
2013 device on major, simple no namer 2014 device on major, simple no namer 2015 device on major, wins 5 tier1 events, simple tier 4 2016 device on major, wins tier1 event, simple farming stats in NA 2017 device wins 1 major and katowice, simple in navi lol'ing around 2018 device wins 1 major and 10 tier1 events, simple loses 1 major final and wins 2 tier1 events 2019 device wins 2 majors and 5 tier1 events, simple baiting his teammates, doens't even reach a single tier1 event final 2020 device god, simple gets 1 fluke but is quickly washed up Cry is free Device >>> simple If you want to win games pick device If you want to watch highlights pick simple
2020-05-23 10:59
#159
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Europe Fatalist 
alt of s1mple nuke god?
2020-05-23 13:31
Alt? I am offended This is the only simple_0_major account and will always be.
2020-05-23 13:43
+1
2020-05-23 15:15
In my opinion: #1 Colzera #2 Get_right #3 Device #4 Kennys #5 F0rest #6 Fallen #7 S1mple #8 Olof #9 Niko #10 Neo
2020-05-23 15:30
0/8 You can't use logic, stats and reason in an hltv ranking You can only use opinion and if someone says otherwise you'll call them idiots, okay?
2020-05-23 21:33
#170
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Brazil Jartza 
Real top10 1Neo 2Forest 3Get_right 4Markeloff 5edward 6zeus 7device 8guardian 9Potti 10Natu
2020-05-24 01:36
I can agree with majority. As you see from flair Olof is my hero, I'd put him to number 1 or at least higher than 6. Anyway nice list 7/8
2020-05-24 01:55
#172
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Europe ipufosenia 
1)KennyS best player at his peak rest irrelevant because not even close to kenny
2020-05-24 01:56
Shox above flusha and you're good
2020-05-24 01:57
HellRaisers
1.46
Pompa
2.63
FURIA
1.12
Chaos
6.19
Nordavind
1.27
AGO
3.73
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