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AWP DOESN'T NEED A FIX
Aleksib | 
Finland BIGGEST_ALEKSIB_FAN 
AWP is balanced enough everyone just wants to cry about something. If they nerf AWP the next thing people will be crying about is Ak-47 being to op because it can one tap heads...
2020-05-23 09:30
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But ak is op If cts get it the can hold ez corners with one shot potential
2020-05-23 09:31
#2
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Russia nobody_cars 
then buy galil so cts cant get aks. 200iq
2020-05-23 09:34
Galil 35 mag dude And on the other hand if you see....... terrorists only have the agenda to rush So I'd likely prefer a mac10 , it provides high moving accuracy with fire rate And isnt too op when a ct gets hold of it
2020-05-23 09:35
What about PP Bizon it also works if you want to rush and just spray brainlesly?
2020-05-23 10:21
But damage isnt good enough Mac10 is easy two head clicks
2020-05-23 11:13
True just throw a smoke, throw a flash and run through the smoke with mac 10 blazing
2020-05-23 15:09
ok thanks for protip now will rankup to silver 4 hopefully
2020-05-24 08:58
With this tip you will be a pro player soon my friend
2020-05-24 10:02
I know the tip. I am still trash and have been forgetting to put on Deagle again after trying r8. btw pro tip from me r8 left click while running/jumping or both is basically perfect accuracy which is kinda cool
2020-05-24 10:41
#118
tarik | 
Indonesia ro2a 
but...in the other side of the corner is mp9 waitng for you that gun more brutal than m4 in close range
2020-05-26 10:25
I like mp9. I just jump and aim at the head its pretty op if you dink fast.
2020-05-26 11:31
#89
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India Noobdian 
Ez
2020-05-24 10:43
#85
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Australia flashi 
dont die then
2020-05-24 10:19
The question is how would you "fix" it in a way that the gun doesn't become useless.
2020-05-23 09:37
#12
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India mr_magician 
certainly valve doesn't know that trick for any weapon
2020-05-23 09:51
#39
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Sweden Rezeter 
Worse non scoped accuracy and longer time to reload bullet. Valve does not have to make such extreme changes like they always. Just slightly worse to make it balanced
2020-05-23 21:53
if this happens awp is useless
2020-05-24 08:38
#74
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Sweden Rezeter 
1% longer reload time and 1% worse accuracy no scoped would make is useless? Lmao
2020-05-24 08:59
#120
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Portugal dracø 
that would be an useless change anyway
2020-05-26 10:32
Who cares. Make the awp useless. It's shit and not fun to play against.
2020-05-24 09:05
#109
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United Kingdom fal36 
+1
2020-05-24 14:29
Not really. Increqsed reload time and slight price bump wouldn't make it useless at all. It would just makenit more punishing to miss shots which I'm all for because it's stupid for holding angles. Scout deserves the same treatment imo.
2020-05-24 12:29
#5
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Poland rude_wredne 
Any weapons with 1 shot kill potential in hands of sick player will be called op
2020-05-23 09:38
Incoming: Deagle is most OP gun in the game!!
2020-05-23 10:21
#28
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Poland rude_wredne 
Mens there are already people complaining about deagle. Im not even joking 😂👌
2020-05-23 11:40
True mens and it's dumb af
2020-05-23 15:10
#35
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Poland rude_wredne 
Fork knife players or silver 1 noobs
2020-05-23 16:10
The deagle is op tho for its price, the ttk on it is insane. You can spam 2tap ppl in the body.
2020-05-24 07:38
+1 they should make it either 1 tap head and 3 tap everywhere else.
2020-05-24 08:59
#75
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Sweden Rezeter 
Learn to handle it and you would realize it’s potential
2020-05-24 09:01
I fucking love the deagle I'll take it over an smg most of the time if I'm feeling it, but it still isn't op
2020-05-24 10:05
the deagle is broken though. it's not as good at what it should do as it could be and it's insanely good at what it shouldn't do. first bullet inaccuracy at long range doesn't make any sense. why add randomness to the equation? make it laser accurate on first bullet when standing still and then it's all about skill. instead sometimes you can get csgo'd because of first bullet inaccuracy. on the other hand you can 2 body shot someone from close range which is completely insane. think about it this way. people often get mad about p90 scrubs because it's much harder for the rifle to get the kill in close / mid range when they strafe and spray, especially if your ping isn't perfect. exactly the same thing applies to deagle close range. if you don't hit insta headshot you are dead. all they have to do is hit you anywhere in the body twice. buff deagle far range slightly and nerf close range slightly and it would be perfect imo. i hardly use cz anymore because 2 shooting people close range is just way too easy + faster switch time.
2020-05-24 09:23
#102
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Poland rude_wredne 
Only noobs complain about p90 rushers. And ye maybe deagle needs a slight nerf (3 chest shots to kill not 2) but i arent think valve will do anything 🙂👌
2020-05-24 12:26
+1
2020-05-24 18:02
#36
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Germany tim_fcs04 
you can kill someone with 1 knife stab, knife best weapon in da game
2020-05-23 16:17
#37
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Poland rude_wredne 
Needs nerf
2020-05-23 16:17
#40
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Sweden Rezeter 
They should swap it to a fork
2020-05-23 21:54
The new economy made the awp extremely cancerous, it definitely needs tweaking.
2020-05-23 09:40
#9
JW | 
Finland Ilucs 
Yeah. It feels like its way too frequent a team "shouldn't" have money for it but they do. Atleast it feels that way when I play.
2020-05-23 09:47
#7
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Brazil nuke_brs 
I need a fix
2020-05-23 09:41
#41
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Sweden Rezeter 
I can send you. What is your drug of choice?
2020-05-23 21:55
#54
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Brazil nuke_brs 
no drugs men
2020-05-24 00:06
+1 Idiots acting like there's no way to counter an AWP bro you can use one of the TEN flashes your team has, or perhaps one of the five smokes or mollies? If you don't have any utility you can also double peek him since he can only kill one of you. Yes, AWPers are often the highest-rated players on the server but unless they're prime kennyS or s1mple they don't win games on their own.
2020-05-23 09:42
Dude you can flash and smoke any player in the game. Should the R8 never have been nerfed because you can flash and smoke it lmao.
2020-05-23 09:49
The broken R8 and AWP are hardly comparable. R8 had: a faster firing speed, two firing modes, not much lower damage, like 6fold lower cost, higher kill reward, faster movement speed etc.
2020-05-23 09:52
#43
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Sweden Rezeter 
Still bad argument
2020-05-23 21:57
That doesn't make the argument any less invalid. In fact you just proved out how ridiculous the argument is since it could be applied to a weapon like the R8, which by your own words is broken.
2020-05-23 22:36
it makes the argument COMPLETELY invalid due to false equivalence fallacy. r8 was completely broken and contradicted several established mechanics of cs.
2020-05-24 07:45
Lmao. Yet, you can still flash and smoke the pre-nerf R8. Which is why saying you can flash the awper or smoke them isn't a valid argument. Saying you can apply a universal game mechanic literally means nothing.
2020-05-24 07:48
that's because you don't understand said universal game mechanic. you won't be the only one though, a lot of pro teams seem to struggle with basics too. well to be completely honest, it's not a single universal game mechanic but a collection of them that makes your comparison completely false. most importantly the economy side of it because you aren't going to play against 5 awps every round unlike the pre nerf r8. so no, you can't possibly kill all of their team with utility alone. if that was the case gun balance would be irrelevant. it's the limited quantity of awps every round that make it into a strategical asset with entire strats revolve around. the tactical aspects of those strats often comes down to utility usage so in a way #8 isn't wrong.
2020-05-24 08:04
" a lot of pro teams seem to struggle with basics too" Dude don't insinuate you know better than pro teams, it just makes me want to read the rest less and less. "limited quantity of awps every round that make it into a strategical asset with entire strats revolve around" This is an entirely different argument. Now you're arguing it's expensive therefore it's limited and high risk. The original argument is just the quality of being able to flash and smoke an awper makes it not OP, which is false.
2020-05-24 08:07
i've had that argument before but i really don't think very highly about most pro teams in cs in regards to strategy and tactics. that being said, i think recently things have started looking a bit better and then there is always astralis to show everyone how it's supposed to be done. i think it's quite common for teams, even in top10, to dry peek angles knowing they are playing against an awp or dry peeking in general without a possible trade which is what i was referring to. i've seen navi do it all the time, i've seen faze do it plenty, same goes for fnatic and that's just 3 of the teams i've been following more closely. at the end of the day they might win games because brollan or krimz go godmode / s1mple electronic / niko cold or w.e but it doesn't change the fact they occasionally uterrly fail when it comes to fundamentals. if you want to get into more specifics - how about flashing off an awper and then statically holding the angle with an ak? it worked great during the krieg meta cuz at that level you are going to hit the headshot most of the time but with the ak at far range you are going to have a tough time especially if they swing wide. how about being flashed off an angle as an awper and then repeeking the same angle only to get fragged by their awper? how about peeking an angle before a smoke blooms allowing the awper a free kill? have you seen that happen in pro games? i've seen it plenty. and no, it's not an entirely different argument. read my previous comment. strategies are often built around awpers. there are certain angles & position and timings people need to keep in mind when they play against an awp or a potential awp. similarly they can ignore certain positions and timings. for example jw was considered unorthodox because he'd push places you aren't supposed to push with an awp and it often worked because people simply didn't expect it. bottom line is that the limited amount of awps makes strategy possible. most importantly you'd like to figure out where the awp plays without giving away frags as T. as ct it makes it riskier to go for info plays without proper utility support from teammates. it adds an entire dimension to the game. that's also one of the reasons why teams with no dedicated awper often fall flat strategy wise. none of that is relevant to r8 example because EVERYONE could afford to buy it so you can't play around it. moreover r8 wasn't used for holding angles because of the delay so the kind of utility you'd use against an awp doesn't even apply.
2020-05-24 08:54
#42
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Sweden Rezeter 
Haha +1 Those arguments are so flawed
2020-05-23 21:56
#11
JW | 
Finland Ilucs 
+1. You can also scout out where the awper is playing and then just hit the other site and force the awp to retake. Or if the awp is solo holding just bomb rush him with 5 guys. If everyone peeks solo with no utility then an awper is gonna have a field day.
2020-05-23 09:49
But if the whole team just runs in one by one with no utility then it's just their fault for being dumb
2020-05-23 10:23
#24
JW | 
Finland Ilucs 
I agree.
2020-05-23 11:23
#47
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Sweden Rezeter 
Good awp players manage to get multi kills when all rush as well. The awp is not solo and can hide between shots you know. I think you are too used to play with silvers that you don’t understand how the game is at pro lvl.
2020-05-23 22:05
My point was that if you rush and die because your utility sucked it doesn't mean awp is op, it means the players going up against it are too bad to counter the awp with utility... Ofcourse good awp players can get crazy multikills in tight situations and make crazy highlights but that happens with every gun. Awp still isn't too overpovered.
2020-05-23 23:00
#19
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Other khorkalba 
The mental gymnastics people try and pull to justify their crutch weapon is hilarious. Daily reminder that MSL won an MVP award and beat prime Astralis in a final while AWPing.
2020-05-23 11:15
By reading the opponents
2020-05-23 11:16
#26
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Other khorkalba 
No, by holding ridiculously easy angles with a fucking scoped cannon. He didn't even move around the map like Dev1ce would.
2020-05-23 11:25
And he held those angles because he knew where they were going to be. And yes he did he rotated a ton, analysts talked about it a lot, he was very mobile
2020-05-23 12:53
#44
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Sweden Rezeter 
That is always the case as ct lol
2020-05-23 21:58
Thats just false, the problem with a lot of AWPers is they dont move around enough and are forced into retakes
2020-05-24 06:31
#46
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Sweden Rezeter 
Scout out a awp is not easy vs good awp players. You might die just to get info. Then you are in a 4v5 and have like 25% to win the round.
2020-05-23 22:02
#17
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Other khorkalba 
One tapping heads is hard Shooting zoomed in torso is easy Proof? If one tapping was easy, nobody would need to buy the AWP at all
2020-05-23 11:13
If AWPing was OP nobody would use AKs the whole half
2020-05-23 11:15
#22
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Other khorkalba 
Don't confuse economic balance with the weapon being too easy and powerful. You could find a way to make COD airstrikes economically balanced, but no skill would be involved. The AWP is economically balanced, which is why it isn't overused like it is in Casual mode. But it's still too powerful in the sense that it gives Gold Novas an easy path to Global Elite. Even at professional level, it allows noobs like JDM and Skadoodle to have careers they don't really deserve to have over more skilled players. It also allows good players like Dev1ce to seem even better than he actually is. And it allowed MSL to win a fucking MVP award. The solution seems obvious to me. In both MM ranking and HLTV stats, there needs to be a handicap applied to AWPers, and the community as a whole needs to stop overrating easy AWP kills.
2020-05-23 11:21
The ease and strength of the weapon is balanced by the price, i dont see why thats so difficult for you to understand
2020-05-23 11:22
#25
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Other khorkalba 
On a team level? Yes. On an individual level? No. If someones teammates keeps dropping them AWPs, why does that player deserve to be considered the best on the team just because they're topfragging with an easier weapon? They're literally playing the game in easy mode every round with the help of their teammates, and they then steal all of the credit when the team wins.
2020-05-23 11:24
How the fuck are they stealing credit. Unless you're talking about from the perspective of rating whores. Anyone who actually understands stats knows AWPers will have inflated ratings, thats why we look at other things too. Not every AWPer is considered the best on their team.
2020-05-23 12:52
#34
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Other khorkalba 
"Not every AWPer is considered the best on their team" The only time this isn't the case is when AWPers are given a supportive role which causes their confidence to drop. There's a pretty strong bias towards up and coming AWPers too. 1 in every 5 players is an AWPer, yet it seems like AWPers have a much higher chance of getting noticed. Take the UK scene for example. The only reason Smooya got noticed was because of the AWP. He's barely even LEM level with rifles. Then Mantuu started AWPing and suddenly the UK scene had another good player.
2020-05-23 15:47
Awp is easy to learn but hard to master /closed That’s why only 5 people were/are god awpers
2020-05-23 22:06
#50
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Other khorkalba 
It's easy to learn and easy to master, but hard to dominate the pro scene with when you're not consistently on a top team that builds their setup around you. That's why there have been countless AWP prodigies, but only 5 who have been consistently amazing throughout their careers.
2020-05-23 22:10
Easy =/= OP If the AWP is strong at times and weak at others that is the definition of balance. There have been just as many rifle prodigies if not more than AWP players.
2020-05-24 06:37
#84
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Sweden Rezeter 
That is not the definition of balance.
2020-05-24 10:12
#45
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Sweden Rezeter 
+1
2020-05-23 21:59
nope aks are cheap and ez to move with even if awp was op..
2020-05-23 15:14
Which means the AK, despite being 2000 less is as good as the AWP depending on the situation. That right there tells you that the AWP isnt OP
2020-05-23 21:41
#49
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Sweden Rezeter 
Hahaha your logic is so dumb.
2020-05-23 22:08
Tell me why, oh right you probably cant cause you're just another moron with garbage arguments
2020-05-24 06:38
Because it doesn’t mean the ak is “as good” as the awp. It’s a situational issue at that point. Looking at it at face value, the awp offers a better set of benefits, especially on the t-side for entries. The only real reason you don’t see 5 awps is 1) because they’re expensive and 2) because you risk giving them to your opponents. If the basis for whether or not you should use a gun is that the other team may be able to use it against you, then the gun is imbalanced. I like how the awp in valorant works. It’s not as easy to peak the same angle 50 million times each round because of the slow movement speed. The long time between shots also helps in that regard. That’s honestly how I’d change the awp. Slightly increase the time between shots so it’s easier to trade against awps and more punishing when they miss.
2020-05-24 06:50
#64
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Sweden Rezeter 
+1 Finally someone smart that understands the game. Thank you <3
2020-05-24 07:54
#81
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United States America! 
#80
2020-05-24 10:03
#80
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United States America! 
First of all people who say the awp is "op" cant correctly use utility and dry peek everything so when they play against people who have a fucking brain they claim the weapon is "op" So let's look at the best awpers in the game S1mple best player on navi even when he was using a rifle Device arguably the second best player on the team with the rifle KennyS is the second best player on G2 but is in a bit of a slump rn (more on that later) Zywoo (same thing for simple) Watch any tier 1 team and how they deal with an awper and how little space they give the awper, if he misses once and repeeks against people who are actually good hes fucking dead bro that's why an awper on a bad day (kenny his last 5 games) provide such little impact and at times find way more impact with a rifle than with an awp, Another thing is these idiots act as if the awp is unstoppable, literally every awper in a 1vX picks up a rifle not to mention how much impact an entry fragger or just any rifler in general could bring, arguably more than an awp, (G2's games during RTR) And in terms of the awp is "easy to use" bullshit, why the fuck do teams only have 2 players who are good with an awp? The gun is extremely flawed it's easy to trade, it's almost 5k when you only get 100$ as the kill reward, it's useless in close range scenarios (some exceptions)
2020-05-24 10:03
#83
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Sweden Rezeter 
No offense but you don’t seem to understand the game. Or maybe you have very basic knowledge and have not thought your opinions throw.
2020-05-24 10:10
#86
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United States America! 
No offense but you don’t seem to understand the game. Or maybe you have very basic knowledge and have not thought your opinions throw I mean you dont even know how to deal with an awper sad!
2020-05-24 10:37
#88
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Sweden Rezeter 
lie and copy me all you want...
2020-05-24 10:42
#91
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United States America! 
make up bullshit, and bait all you want...
2020-05-24 10:46
#94
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Sweden Rezeter 
what are you talking about?
2020-05-24 10:47
#96
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United States America! 
Your saying the awp is op and the reasons you claim are completely stupid
2020-05-24 10:49
#99
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Sweden Rezeter 
I have not explained the reasons for why I think the awp is op. just mentioned one factor in another thread and what changes I would like to see to balance it. Think you got this all wrong buddy.
2020-05-24 10:58
#112
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United States America! 
The awp is already balanced
2020-05-24 17:26
#116
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Sweden Rezeter 
you are free to have that opinion but imo you are wrong.
2020-05-24 23:11
You’re ignoring the awps biggest strength, entrying. The “just use utility” argument is fine on t-side, but ct side can’t “just use utility” the entire round. That’s where the major imbalance of the awp comes from. I won’t say it’s op as that insinuates that there’s no downside to the gun, which there obviously is. In most scenarios though it is beneficial to have an awp over a rifle. I think the major problem with the awp is that it’s not very punishing at all for an awp to miss a shot, as they can easily just fall back behind cover and repeak the same angle, which can’t really be punished unless the opponent has an awp themselves.
2020-05-24 15:17
#113
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United States America! 
that it’s not very punishing at all for an awp to miss a shot, as they can easily just fall back behind cover and repeak the same angle, which can’t really be punished unless the opponent has an awp themselves. Molotovs, flashes,smokes limit the amount of space an awper has making alot of those engagements really uncomfortable not giving him a whole lot of room for error.
2020-05-24 17:30
#90
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India Noobdian 
The awp do be expensive though and if you miss once the enemy can easily capitalise on that
2020-05-24 10:45
#98
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United States America! 
+1
2020-05-24 10:50
#105
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Other khorkalba 
Repeeking is so OP in CS:GO compared to CS 1.6 where you could wallbang most surfaces. This means that it's actually a myth that missing once is fatal. In fact, even in pro matches I see AWPers miss several times and still finish the round with a triple kill.
2020-05-24 12:50
#106
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India Noobdian 
It happens but not all the time And no repeeking isn't that op
2020-05-24 13:41
No, awp needs leg shots to kill and increase price to $5000
2020-05-23 11:32
#107
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India Noobdian 
No
2020-05-24 13:42
why?
2020-05-24 14:59
#117
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India Noobdian 
Leg shot kills op
2020-05-26 10:17
this discussion is ridiculous, logged in here for the first time in 3 years and what do i have to read? some **** crying about the awp being op? are you cerial?
2020-05-23 22:22
#67
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Sweden Rezeter 
so the first thing you do is start crying. lmao OP is crying about the awp not being op not that it is op.
2020-05-24 08:08
#57
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Australia aussie_billy 
nerf deagle
2020-05-24 06:34
#63
ISSAA | 
Chile jaestar 
csgo is balanced
2020-05-24 07:48
#93
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India Noobdian 
Tbh M4 shouldn't be more expensive than the ak and that's probably it
2020-05-24 10:47
#97
ISSAA | 
Chile jaestar 
that's because defending is usually easier than attacking, so ct weps are more expensive to balance things. You can def hold a site with a famas or close range mags or mp9s, whereas attacking with a sawed off or a galil is way more difficult
2020-05-24 10:50
#100
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India Noobdian 
True true But ak >>>>>>>>> m4
2020-05-24 11:49
Thank you
2020-05-24 08:05
Just add wall penetration, it will not only fix the awp but fix cancer plays in general.
2020-05-24 08:40
#78
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United States America! 
hell no
2020-05-24 10:01
Ak-47 is op because it can one tap heads
2020-05-24 10:46
#95
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India Noobdian 
SG OP even after the nerf (If you use it properly)
2020-05-24 10:48
#101
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Nepal Nepali 
Scout > AWP
2020-05-24 11:56
#123
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Nepal ilapeN 
+1
2020-05-26 10:45
#104
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Finland pate1 
difference is that onetapping heads with ak actually recuires skill
2020-05-24 12:29
#108
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Austria iVolcan 
people saying awp is overpowered, play 5 awp against 5 ak, ak will win 8/10 rounds i you give both of them full utility
2020-05-24 14:24
#114
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Pakistan LoOuU2 
5 bullet mag
2020-05-24 17:34
#119
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Germany Enlay 
5-7 billtes in a mag and its fine. You shouldnt be ablte to spam smokes with it. Thats all.
2020-05-26 10:30
#121
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Portugal dracø 
the only problem is that teams are buying it more often due to the new economy
2020-05-26 10:35
#122
NAF | 
Iran Strider0 
nerf krieg .. oh wait
2020-05-26 10:40
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