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DUST HAS TO GO
Denmark fm100 
Honestly Dust2 is in a horrible state in the pro scene right now. You need 11-12 rounds on the T if you want any chance at winning the game. The T side has become so dominant on this map and it's kinda boring to see. What do you think??
2020-05-24 17:42
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#1
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Finland I_never_bait 
i agree with everything u said. -dust2 +old cobble
2020-05-24 17:43
that would be sick
2020-05-24 18:31
#131
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Sweden fantaoskar 
That map only needs some tweaks, Train is the shittiest map in the game
2020-05-25 10:54
100 %
2020-05-25 11:06
legit one of the best maps, so many options. Cant expect hltv nerd to like any map that need higher than 50iq tho
2020-05-26 16:17
so true haha, he is mirage beta cuck
2020-05-26 17:06
Mirage is worse
2020-05-26 17:05
#50
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Sweden Extremaz 
that would be alot better imo
2020-05-24 18:50
-shit2 Plus a completely new map For me it shld be santorini
2020-05-24 18:55
#65
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
disagree with everything you said Old cbble was literally the worst map to ever be in the pro rotation. Ts rushed B every round and still won like 70% of the rounds even if CTs had 4 players there. Also you couldn't fake as T cos the rotation was too long. Also you couldn't retake either of the sites as CT cos there was one entrance and you just got mowed down.
2020-05-24 18:58
+9999
2020-05-24 19:01
#101
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Nepal sasukeee 
+1
2020-05-24 20:08
+1
2020-05-24 22:51
#121
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Sweden kresso 
-1 its 4 entrances on A and 3 on B.
2020-05-25 10:17
They're all narrow chokepoints and most of them can be held from the same angle
2020-05-25 10:43
#135
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
lol gl retaking A site through yard, by the time you run from B to A there will be 5 sec left on the bomb
2020-05-25 11:14
+1 cbbl is overrated trash
2020-05-25 10:40
#129
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France Il_padrino 
+1
2020-05-25 10:50
#133
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Poland kruky 
+1
2020-05-25 11:01
+1 cobble managed to be somehow worse than d2
2020-05-26 16:25
#201
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Ukraine zSnake 
+1 idk why anyone would think it's a good map
2020-05-26 18:13
#76
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Brazil b3yond 
+1 old cobble much better map
2020-05-24 19:01
+ miss cobble a lot
2020-05-26 16:25
-d2 +old cbble -mirage +season/tuscan/cache/anubis/new map
2020-05-24 17:46
anubis has like 500 corners to check if you go through that mid thing.
2020-05-24 18:44
need some work but the concept is good
2020-05-24 18:46
its nice but I will get my wrist fucked if I need to 360/180 half the time if someone is behind/next to me and that isnt very fun anyways
2020-05-24 18:58
More like 600
2020-05-26 17:07
sorry my bad gave up counting at 200
2020-05-26 17:48
Quarantine got me fucked up
2020-05-26 19:00
season roflmao.
2020-05-24 18:48
D2 classic. Maybe mirage will get replaced by cobblestone.
2020-05-24 18:50
Agree with d2 shit But -d2 +santorini
2020-05-24 18:55
nice map too.
2020-05-24 18:58
Santorini
2020-05-24 19:02
#87
kNgV- | 
Brazil _ninja 
cache/cbble 8/8 other one 0/8
2020-05-24 19:17
#192
kennyS | 
Croatia buzeG2 
YESSS. SEASON WAS SO GOOD
2020-05-26 17:56
#3
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Finland H0rnPub 
+anubis
2020-05-24 17:44
No one want lulbis back, bring back cobble or cache
2020-05-24 19:13
most of the other maps are ct sided so its not that bad.
2020-05-24 17:45
Yeah, but you dont need 12 ct rounds to win the game
2020-05-24 18:32
you pretty much need 12 ct rounds to win on Train.
2020-05-24 18:34
No you rly dont. T side train you can do a lot of stuff
2020-05-24 18:35
As long as its a pug. Teamplays is different
2020-05-24 18:48
Im speaking about both
2020-05-24 18:49
#97
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Philippines EDBX 
Maybe in nova pugs but some basic utility is really all you need for a competitive T side in mm
2020-05-24 20:05
That is what i said. In pugs with players who understand a bit t side and ct side comes down to t he better team. In teams you often have set pieces and stuff that makes it hard for t
2020-05-24 20:41
#114
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Philippines EDBX 
Well that is just untrue. There are a lot of good T sides on train in recent memory
2020-05-25 04:58
not really, currently vertigo is more t sided than dust
2020-05-25 10:06
I’d say it’s about the same
2020-05-25 10:38
the thing is that vertigo isn't that stale
2020-05-26 17:05
Old cobble please
2020-05-24 17:45
#6
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Germany Enlay 
A long is unbalanced
2020-05-24 17:46
#7
KRIMZ | 
Denmark slacking 
+1 I used to be a huge Dust2 fan but it doesn't make sense anymore that being said Vertigo is just as T sided and needs to go aswell imo + cache + cobble
2020-05-24 17:46
I kinda still like dust 2 but it is just stale now. I have played the same thing for 12+years. I don't want dust 2 to go because I have invested so much time into it . Instead they could just change some things. Not huge changes but just like some small changes around the map. And they should make the mid doors cross shot harder to hit.
2020-05-24 19:18
hltv.org/stats/maps/map/31/Dust2?showKil.. I don´t even know what u´re talking about, yes the map is T sided but it´s not even that unbalanced, most maps are CT sided and some of them really are unfair like Train or Nuke. Just cause u don´t like the map or you ´ve seen a very one-side match doens´t mean it´s always the case !!
2020-05-26 19:11
#8
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Serbia TheSerb 
Well navi for example plays better ct side on dd2 than t
2020-05-24 17:46
Mby 1 team is better on the CT side but it's so obvious the map is T dominant
2020-05-24 18:33
#56
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Serbia TheSerb 
Well that means that you can play good ct you just need to find the right way, astralis is pretty good on ct too
2020-05-24 18:52
Ofc you can do it, but majority of the matches is T side dominant
2020-05-24 18:53
#61
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Serbia TheSerb 
Well that means the teams need to put their sleves up and work on theyr ct side more than the t side. Cs is a gr8 game becouse you can find so many new ways to play (the top lvl ofc)
2020-05-24 18:56
I think they have done that but it obv doesnt work
2020-05-24 19:19
danish liquid fan? I arent think that
2020-05-25 05:04
why do people keep mentioning that xD
2020-05-25 10:03
#122
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Netherlands NEEFBROERMAN 
nt yanko
2020-05-25 10:19
T economy is too good. You always have viable weapons and CTs just can’t hang with that. Awps make holding dust2 much easier but you can’t really afford them with the current economy too often.
2020-05-24 17:47
ye, right, but its always harder to play as T ... CTs can win ecos more easily than Ts
2020-05-24 17:51
Not on dust2. Pistols vs rifles on long is an impossible task
2020-05-24 18:33
says the dgl 1 shot :P and if you smoke everything like hell, you need just two hits with dgl o.O the ct eco from col vs big on mirage was insane, the owned them on a spot, 4-5 smokes in total? in the end a lot of factors play a role before aiming can hit the table :D
2020-05-24 20:05
d2 always was a t sided map and thats good!
2020-05-24 17:47
stfu bitch
2020-05-24 17:49
#15
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Canada rayrayrayray 
Honestly nuke is in a horrible state in the pro scene right now. You need 11-12 rounds on the CT if you want any chance at winning the game. The CT side has become so dominant on this map and it's kinda boring to see. What do you think??
2020-05-24 17:50
Wtf? Nuke seems so awesome to watch And you dont need that many ct rounds atm wtf
2020-05-24 18:57
-d2 +dust
2020-05-24 17:50
its not that you need bunch of t rounds , its that they all are same....fuck around mid , go short ( if failed run mid-b)
2020-05-24 17:51
#19
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Turkey ok4N__ 
-dust2 or mirage +cobble
2020-05-24 17:53
2020-05-24 17:53
Watch the matches and you will shove the statistics for every match right up your ass¨
2020-05-24 18:34
I have, and you're even more wrong than before. If the T side has become so dominant, how do you explain those statistics then? What it looks like to me is that you're a mad complexity fan who wants every map that a team you like loses on to be removed.
2020-05-24 18:59
Im not a complexity fan and the last month 53% of T rounds has been won
2020-05-24 19:21
OMG 53%?!??!?!!??! SOUNDS LIKE A VERY T SIDED MAP!!!!!!!
2020-05-25 11:22
Another example of T side being OP. EG got 10T rounds and won the pistol and only got 13 rounds.
2020-05-25 22:17
Statistics matter more than random results, some teams are much better on the T side than the CT side.
2020-05-26 17:00
Random results? As i already told you, watch d2 games pls.
2020-05-26 17:02
Yes random results, there are plenty of examples of huge T sides and huge CT sides on any map.
2020-05-26 17:02
Dont even try anymore. CT's have no control on dust 2 and its so easy to be T. A simple mid to B and the ct's cant do anything. Its so dominant and its not even close
2020-05-26 17:03
If that's true, then why is Dust2 only 53% T sided?
2020-05-26 17:03
Because some games the T sided team is just to bad to get any rounds they should win easily
2020-05-26 17:04
Sounds like a good map to me. Teams which are good win their rounds, and teams which are bad lose rounds.
2020-05-26 17:05
Just not how it works mate
2020-05-26 17:07
Then how does it work? A map is too T sided because trash teams lose T rounds?
2020-05-26 17:07
Okay im going to roll it out for you. If the T side takes long, the CT's are pressured to play site. B site you cant push tunnels and mid you cant push mid. Too much of a risk, so now you dont have ANY map control, you only play sites. You either fall back from long and do mid to B, which btw if the T's get B its impossible to retake, or you take long and short and you get pinched on site with the nades and there is nothing to do. The rotations have to come in from ct where you can literally get shot from every angle possible and when they've planted for long and the ct's have no more smokes it over. IF THE CT'S DONT GET ANY MAP CONTROL IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN AS CT
2020-05-26 17:10
Finally a good argument which isn't just linking fluke matches. This notion of the T side being dominant is just not true though. Yes it's hard for CT's to get map control, but it's not impossible and even when they play sites they can still win plenty of rounds.
2020-05-26 17:13
Good example is Godsent yesterday vs faze
2020-05-26 17:04
One more prime example of dust2 being T dominant. I can keep coming with these all day mate. Your statistics shows nothing. Winstrike 12-3 up winning pistol. Mid to B or taking long every round. hltv.org/matches/2341647/navi-junior-vs-.. Nt again
2020-05-26 16:15
Either baiting or dumb You can find these from any map. I hope you don't think these random fluke results are more reliable than statistics. 53% for a map is not too biased towards any specific map.
2020-05-26 16:58
-dust2 -vertigo +old cbble +non-jungle cache
2020-05-24 17:54
#22
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Lithuania ElNelav 
Complexity fan/bettor detected :D D2 is most balanced map after inferno hltv.org/stats/maps?maps=de_dust2&maps=d..
2020-05-24 18:01
Then watch the matches haha
2020-05-24 18:35
#39
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Lithuania ElNelav 
HAHA, nice argument :D I agree that d2 is boring map, I dont like to watch and play it. And it would be nice to remove it from mappol. But your words about t-sided map is meaningless
2020-05-24 18:42
Its just my opinion based on the matches i've watched recently which have been very easy for T side's
2020-05-24 18:45
dust 2 isn't t sided until they get long. in pugs, ct's can't hold onto long that well which is why it is t sided in pugs. in pro matches, that isn't the case.
2020-05-26 17:09
Yeah long is a very big thing.
2020-05-26 17:10
what i think needs to be changed: -have stairs/ladder in elevator so they can get onto site without boosting/going up the ramp (but put it somewhere where they won't be that exposed to long and that going to cat with that route won't be faster than taking the ramp) -flip the b doors
2020-05-26 17:12
Doesnt change the fact its so shit boring and retarded to watch and even retarded to play
2020-05-24 18:59
+1 Very boring to play and especially boring to watch.
2020-05-24 17:54
Ive skipped every d2 match since last year
2020-05-24 18:59
same
2020-05-24 20:06
#28
dumau | 
Ireland polll 
fundamentally flawed map, how can you die before getting to site
2020-05-24 18:34
D2 is the worst map for comp play ever ..the tside mid ctrl is really bad ...awper can just sit on t spawn and do such devastating things
2020-05-24 18:36
l2p dust 2 is the most magnificent and exciting map to ever be in any game
2020-05-24 18:37
#37
CRUC1AL | 
Netherlands Ansi 
there only need to be maps added, added and added to the pool
2020-05-24 18:41
-d2 + subzero/oldcobble/cache/season/mill
2020-05-24 18:41
#40
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Turkey Tempexx 
Just because BIG is good on T side Dust 2 doesn't make it an unbalanced map.
2020-05-24 18:44
Big beimg good on any side on any map is enough proof that the map is unbalanced
2020-05-24 19:00
#44
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France Choubada 
2018 csgo players: Cobble so boring, -cobble 2020: cobble legendary map, -dust2
2020-05-24 18:46
#45
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Russia nobody_cars 
2022: WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU REMOVE DUST2?? LEGENDARY MAP WITH LEGENDARY GAMEPLAY!!!
2020-05-24 18:48
#46
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Russia cuba_libre10 
-d2 +reworked d1
2020-05-24 18:47
Dust2 is the best map <3
2020-05-24 18:50
#53
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Russia ToughGuy 
it's 50/50 map if some teams play poorly for ct doesn't mean it T sided map
2020-05-24 18:51
#54
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Lithuania SiTyGas 
how is its maps fault if you need 12 rounds to win? You cant win them, its your fault. Both teams get to play both sides 15 rounds each, so if one team can win more t side rounds, that means they deserved the win.
2020-05-24 18:51
#55
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Italy bennyhana 
I THINK LONG IS T SIDED.
2020-05-24 18:52
Long, Mid to B, plus the B site is the most difficult site to retake in the game. Its about impossible to do
2020-05-26 16:19
#58
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Sweden MapleOakYew 
Dude - You are so wrong. Go to stats on hltv. 47,5% ct round conversion, 52,5 t round conversion - LAST 6 Months. Basically this means that T side is averaging 8 rounds per half....
2020-05-24 18:53
yeah the LAST 6 months. It's in recent month this map has become very T sided. Look at the games, its so fucking obvious. Long or mid to B, when you have b the round is done. It can be 4v5 retake and there is no chance in hell the CT's can retake it
2020-05-26 16:20
#212
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Sweden MapleOakYew 
Just go check stats in last month as well. Same.
2020-05-27 15:31
#213
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Sweden MapleOakYew 
Just check the probability matrix. Everything your original post mentions is debunked there.
2020-05-27 15:38
You can shove your stats right up the ass, look at the games and you will see how T sided the map has become
2020-05-27 17:14
#216
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Sweden MapleOakYew 
The stats tell us exactly how t-sided it is. And it is not as much as you say.
2020-06-06 01:32
It's a trash map. -D2 -Vertigo +Old Cobble +Season/Tuscan
2020-05-24 18:57
The only interesting map cs has are Inferno and Overpass. I personally like nuke too, but I wouldn't save it...
2020-05-24 18:57
#70
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Croatia Makz_CRO 
Unfortunately, the next in line is probably mirage and cache will be back in since they remade it. Don't get me wrong, I would like it out too, but it won't happen...
2020-05-24 18:59
start vacuuming then
2020-05-24 19:00
Dust 2 has been shit in every single version of CS.
2020-05-24 19:00
posted right after CoL lost to big xDDDd cunt bettor go cry here africa needs water \_/
2020-05-24 19:00
Nt mate
2020-05-26 16:20
lol nt pimp
2020-05-26 16:23
D2 so shit makes me wanna puke my pants brown - BabaBlackSheep69
2020-05-24 19:01
I like it. alot actually . I think its the best map in fact, cant name anything wrong with it
2020-05-24 19:06
and why is that bad? it remains a unique map in this otherwise very ct-sided map pool.
2020-05-24 19:13
Because long is shit, mid to b is impossible to hold and then i havent even mentioned B. B site on dust2 is THE worst site to retake. It's not possible to retake even in a 3v5
2020-05-26 16:21
don't see a problem with long, there are many ways to hold a site. you can play double long with pit, or from site or play it on retake from short etc. mid to b is not impossible if you are prepared and go for the counters, and even if it falls b player is there to make as much dmg as possible. with good players on b site it's one of the hardest spots to take, that's why it looks kinda hard to retake. but you if you lose a 3v5 retake you don't deserve it better. rly there is not much to cry about, it remains a unique and traditional map in cs. it's nice to have it in the map pool
2020-05-26 16:50
#86
walle | 
Serbia lEXAN_M 
agree /closed
2020-05-24 19:14
It really didn't help with the rather recemt changes to the map that just made it harder to hold B
2020-05-24 19:20
when will ppl understand that maps are not bad, just because they are t/ct-sided... i personally like unbalanced maps way more, at least as long as its not too crazy...
2020-05-24 19:20
#93
Brazil rl1 
Train CT is unbalanced as well. Most of the time you are not comfortable with 11-4 when you started as CT. So I don't think that's the main argument to remove D2. We need to remove because the map is boring. I think they should bring back the old cobble and replace nuke for the 1.6 version. My favorite map is train from 1.6, but I also love the CSGO version,
2020-05-24 19:33
12yo kids dont like Dust thats normal
2020-05-24 20:06
Yeah go play 1.6 you 30 year old german cheater
2020-05-26 16:22
Nothing says Counter Strike like Dust2. It will never be removed from map pool
2020-05-24 20:08
#102
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Canada dennek 
but players are too obsessed with d2. overrated as fuck
2020-05-24 20:09
i mean i dont like playing d2 but its balanced map overall and i would miss it good old kqly shots on a
2020-05-24 20:11
Watch one game of this map and tell me it's balanced
2020-05-26 16:22
Legit if you dont have long as CT you dont have any control of the map. You can only stay sites and somewhat close mid. Nothing to do
2020-05-26 16:23
Dust2 is brainless shit, that's why russkis play it nonstop
2020-05-24 20:47
#112
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United States p1mple_worst 
Dust2 ia the worst map in the game including old cobble and cache
2020-05-25 00:37
YEP
2020-05-26 16:23
Its pretty much been this way forever.
2020-05-25 00:39
But the teams has caught something on the T side and they are just abusing it now. Way too overpowered
2020-05-26 16:23
That is why there are two halves to the game.
2020-05-26 17:42
Still boring to watch a game where you know what's going to happen
2020-05-26 17:44
The worst shit is how easy a mid to B is, one smoke 2 flashes mid is your and molly for close to door, push tuns when mid gets taken and CT cant do shit.
2020-05-25 05:06
Exactly but some of these retards in here dont get it. And when you have B, its basically gg
2020-05-26 16:24
#117
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United Kingdom Leftie 
Swap it out for an unexpected return, something like a remade Assault for example. The idea for Assault is good, just the initial one was so horrendously unbalanced
2020-05-25 05:07
I mean since they managed to make Vertigo of all maps competitively viable i suppose anything is possible
2020-05-25 10:46
Totally disagree, you dont need that many rounds, and old cobble was absolute trash. Also you cant eliminate a map like dust if you still have shitty mirage in the map pool.
2020-05-25 10:43
You dont need that many rounds? hahahahahah
2020-05-26 16:24
ok, watch the spirit vs faze game
2020-05-26 17:56
Yeah spirit was 14-9 ahead and they lost 19-15, good example
2020-05-26 17:56
8:7 both halves NA retard. Go shoot up some schools.
2020-05-26 17:57
Yeah after spirit won TWO gunrounds on the CT half. They won pistol and force, with bonus round. Not a good example mate, after they had the lead they went 1-9 as CT. "Retard"
2020-05-26 18:00
Also i guess train is t sided, since spirit got 10 rounds on it, and cloud9 got 12
2020-05-26 18:02
Can be with momentum yes
2020-05-26 18:04
So with that logic every map is T sided.
2020-05-26 18:10
Yeah if they get momentum?
2020-05-26 18:11
Well yeah but you are retarded then. Momentum is momentum, it doesnt make a map t or ct sided.
2020-05-26 18:12
I personally think momentum is way more effective on T side than ct :)
2020-05-26 18:13
NA cs fan retard*
2020-05-26 18:00
The same argument can be applied to nuke and train, besides a dominant T side generally requires more skill than a dominant CT half (Where on the maps i mentioned you just need to hold angles lmao)
2020-05-25 10:45
Nuke T side is no problem. Only if the CT'S really get a grip early on CT they can snowball but otherwise its easy for the T's aswell
2020-05-26 16:25
removing dust 2, an already reworked map or mirage a popular pug map is gonna make cs lose a lot of casual or low ranked playerbase. If you want that and want 1 or the two or three pug maps to go then yes but why tf do you have to play dust2? Just ban it.
2020-05-25 10:52
-d2 +Cache -mirage +anubis
2020-05-25 10:56
#137
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Finland pate1 
dust is already removed from valve servers
2020-05-25 11:33
no. keep dust2 and then add old cache
2020-05-25 17:35
İf D2 remove,that means CS starts to be valorant.
2020-05-26 16:20
#146
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United Kingdom VOSSKi 
2020-05-26 16:21
yes horrible map!
2020-05-26 17:03
-D2 +subzero
2020-05-26 17:03
#172
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Canada f0rkb0mb 
You are entitled to an opinion, even if it's wrong.
2020-05-26 17:05
#178
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Brazil FelperaIsGod 
-dust2 +Abbey damn I miss abbey
2020-05-26 17:08
d2 is balanced lol
2020-05-26 17:10
#185
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Portugal MCDOUG 
It annoys me how the community maps are almost never considered, I loved RUBY map, and out of the blue, it was gone. It's always the same maps.. steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/..
2020-05-26 17:18
they could also just make some minor changes to fix the balance, like they did with vertigo
2020-05-26 17:45
#190
Snax | 
Europe Bambi_AT 
d2 most balanced map, pls menss
2020-05-26 17:50
Revive cobble at the expense of dust !
2020-05-26 17:54
#205
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Turkey emiliosantos 
nuke train overpass Inferno ct vertigo mirage t sided we need d2
2020-05-26 18:13
Cache is shit, same as cbble.
2020-05-26 18:31
hltv.org/stats/maps/map/31/Dust2?showKil.. I don´t even know what u´re talking about, yes the map is T sided but it´s not even that unbalanced, most maps are CT sided and some of them really are unfair like Train or Nuke. Just cause u don´t like the map or you ´ve seen a very one-side match doens´t mean it´s always the case !!
2020-05-26 19:08
what about train then? its 100% ct sided if you dont get atleast 13 rounds you lost the game.
2020-05-27 15:41
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