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Current NA + SA + Oceania top 10?
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Australia Lomcharton 
What is the actual top 10 here?
2020-05-25 05:28
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#1
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Australia Lomcharton
My opinion is: 1. Gen.G 2. Furia 3. Cloud 9 4. Liquid 5. 100 Thieves 6. Envy 7. Evil Geniuses 8. MIBR 9. Triumph 10. Chaos
2020-05-25 05:30
Don't see c9 above 100T, but otherwise pretty accurate
2020-05-25 06:20
#32
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Australia Lomcharton
yeah i agree to some extent, wasn't too sure about c9, liquid and 100T seems most interchangeable, could also be 100T, c9, liquid based off current form
2020-05-25 08:52
#37
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France LorisDF
Furia's better than GenG rn
2020-05-26 09:08
#39
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Poland blxz
why
2020-05-26 09:22
#41
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France LorisDF
Why is Furia better than GenG? Furia's been at the "top" longer and has proved they can compete with top teams, GenG's team is still relatively new and therefore hasn't had the time to show their worth yet. I know GenG beat Furia the other day but can they really reproduce that result consistently and can they also consistently beat mibr and C9 which they've struggled against in the past? All that remains to be seen.
2020-05-26 09:45
#42
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Poland blxz
i mean GenG was in 3 tournaments (Flashpoint, RTR, Dreamhack Anaheim) and won 2 of them, Furia wins the group 2 times, and loses in playoffs, furia entered top 30 hltv in jan 2019, geng jan 2020, but honestly that doesnt determine anything, besides consistency maybe. Have a good day im out.
2020-05-26 11:14
#43
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France LorisDF
Those are fair points, in hindsight both are pretty equal I would say. Good day to you too.
2020-05-26 12:58
Furia Liquid EG 100T GenG MiBR Envy C9
2020-05-25 05:32
#6
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Australia Lomcharton
big fan of 100T but even i can see Gen.G is above 100T Liquid
2020-05-25 05:39
nope they barely have any experience compared to those teams
2020-05-25 05:40
#10
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Australia Lomcharton
true but just cant see them below furia when they smacked them the last 3 meetings
2020-05-25 05:41
#3
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Brazil yureka
sa > na
2020-05-25 05:32
#5
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North America 007DBR9
no furia > na
2020-05-25 05:33
#11
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Brazil yureka
no furia, mibr and boom > na
2020-05-25 06:18
furia>na>boom>asia>africa>antarctica>m16r
2020-05-26 09:26
1. Liquid 2. Furia 3. Gen.G 4. 100T 5. EG 6. MiBR 7. C9 8. Envy 9. Renegades 10. Chaos
2020-05-25 05:33
#13
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Brazil yureka
furia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lulquid
2020-05-25 06:21
They beat Chaos and they narrowly beat Liquid in the most recent matchup, as well as beating Liquid in the last event, but I try to consider more than just the 2 most recent events. Gen.G consistently beats Furia, too, but they also finished below C9 and well below MiBR in Flashpoint. If anything, I'm being generous with a team that hasn't won an event since the Arctic Invitational last September.
2020-05-25 18:15
#36
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Australia Lomcharton
not a fan of furia but liquid did lose to Furia 4 times in a row :/ compared to Gen.G and Furia, Liquid seem less consistent so would put them below them, Gen.G won 2/3 tournaments they entered disregarding qualifiers since opposition was weak. They bombed Flashpoint true but they've managed to beat C9 and have yet to face MIBR after Flashpoint. Tl are also 5-6 in the last 2 tournaments losing to C9, Envy, Furia and Chaos and only had one good tournament this year at ESL Pro League where C9, Gen.G didn't attend and they lost against Swole and Furia. Not trying to put Liquid down but it has to be really hard to put Liquid at no.1 currently in NA, on a good day sure they definitely are but right now more reasonable at 3-5 behind atleast Gen.G and Furia.
2020-05-26 09:04
One of those instances where Furia beat Liquid was an event that Liquid won by repeatedly thrashing EG in the playoffs with EG 2-0ing Furia. Before the start of Road to Rio, no one would have considered Furia or Gen.G anywhere close to Liquid. Recency bias
2020-05-26 18:05
1. Liquid 2. Furia 3, 100T 4. Gen.G 5. EG 6. C9 7. MiBR 8. Renegades 9. Envy 10. Chaos
2020-05-25 05:40
#14
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Brazil yureka
furia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lulquid any na or sa team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>100t
2020-05-25 06:22
stay mad
2020-05-25 06:34
#22
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Brazil yureka
2020-05-25 06:51
#15
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Argentina druwugs
1. Liquid 2. Furia/EG 3. Furia/EG 4. 100 Thieves 5. C9 6. Envy 7. Gen.G 8. Chaos 9. MIBR 10. Renegades
2020-05-25 06:23
#24
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Brazil yureka
furia >>> lulquid
2020-05-25 06:53
#25
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Argentina druwugs
wow how are you so mad, what happened
2020-05-25 07:26
#26
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Brazil yureka
2020-05-25 08:07
How are people putting Envy above Gen G
2020-05-25 08:54
#17
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Brazil hugoooo
Gen.G has FURIA number, but FURIA beats everyone else, unlike Gen.G... it's silly to claim Gen.G as #1 in NA
2020-05-25 06:35
#18
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Australia Lomcharton
doesn't Gen.G beat everyone too?? They lost to C9 recently but besides them noone else (unless we counting Flashpoint too)
2020-05-25 06:38
#19
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Brazil hugoooo
They lost THREE bo3's (100% of their encounters) vs mibr. Why wouldn't you be counting Flashpoint? Also, they never beat Liquid, you can't be #1 in NA if you never beat Liquid. In fact, they never even played... so it's to early to rank them #1.
2020-05-25 06:42
#30
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Australia Lomcharton
Yeah sure let's consider MIBR and Flashpoint. MIBR is a bad matchup for Gen.G like Gen.G is for Furia. Flashpoint was a bad tournament performance similar to ESL Pro League for Furia where they got 0-2ed by EG and beaten by Swole But unlike MIBR, Gen.G have results to back it up. When did Furia or MIBR win anything this year compared to Gen.G who has won 2/3 tournaments. Besides Liquid and MIBR (although not really a good team) who Furia keep smacking you can also say Furia never beat EG the other previously top NA team besides Liquid. You have to beat Liquid to be no.1? It's also like saying Furia sucks against EG theyre 0-2 and Gen.G beat EG does that make EG better than Furia right now? No Liquid are a solid 3-6 last 9 matches, how is beating them even that significant? Furia, Envy, Cloud 9 and even Chaos all beat them in BO3.
2020-05-25 08:46
#31
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Australia Lomcharton
If you look at points by HLTV you can see that the reason Furia is higher than Gen.G is because of the importance of ESL Pro League which gives T1 points compared to Flashpoint which is T2. Otherwise there are no results where Furia did better than Gen.G.
2020-05-25 08:48
#20
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United States laiff
1. Liquid 2.Gen.g 3.Furia 4.EG 5.100t 6.C9 7.MIBR 8.Envy 9.Chaos 10. RENEGADES
2020-05-25 06:43
#23
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Brazil yureka
furia >>> lulquid
2020-05-25 06:53
EG,FURIA,Liquid,100T,Mibr,GenG,Clown9,CHAOS
2020-05-25 06:46
#28
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Russia ToughGuy
Liquid furia eg gen.g 100t c9 rest shit
2020-05-25 08:10
i want to wait for lan tbh i think liquid gives about 2 shits atm edit: bias ik
2020-05-25 08:15
Furia, Liquid, C9, 100T, Gen G, EG can all beat each other on a good day. NACS is a guessing game atm and will probably stay that way until lans.
2020-05-25 08:56
for me is 1. Gen.G 2. Furia 3. Cloud 9 4. Liquid 5. Evil Geniuses 6. 100 Thieves 7. Envy 8. MIBR 9. Triumph 10. Chaos
2020-05-26 09:18
AGO
1.55
FATE
2.39
GODSENT
1.35
HAVU
3.06
Astralis
1.02
MIBR
13.00
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