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What happened to 1.6 players?
NAF | 
Finland sedatioN 
Dosia 0.81 Starix 0.84 Karrigan 0.87 Neo 0.84 AdreN 0.92 Xizt 0.87 TaZ 0.96 All of these guys were the shit in 1.6, surely a difference of 3-4 years can’t affect your game THAT much, a year ago you rarely saw anyone under 0.95. All of these legends are in the 0.8s wtf. The only players holding their own, are GTR (1.04) and f0rest (1.11) why mens?
2020-05-26 02:24
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#1
NAF | 
Finland sedatioN 
Also mou in comparison isn’t that bad at 0.99, but he was at the tail end of 1.6.
2020-05-26 02:24
Washed up af
2020-05-26 02:30
#3
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Poland rude_wredne 
Getting old is no joke 😿👌
2020-05-26 02:31
#4
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
In 2016 Valve updated CSGO, basically that update destroyed CS 1.6 and CS:S players on long term. It was update connected with spraying/recoil + smth. It was weird patch After that patch dominations like NiP and fnatic dissapeared and CSGO scene became awful. mou is good example, being major champion now is noone. just pug player. Most of people will say thet getting old, but that is not main reason
2020-05-26 02:33
#8
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Australia sad_faze_fan 
5000iq ????
2020-05-26 03:06
#15
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
Im saying facts. I follow CS 1.6 + CSGO scene almost 16 years. I was following every CSGO update since start.
2020-05-26 03:53
He's saying it was a smart reply hahaha
2020-05-26 04:47
#30
NAF | 
Finland sedatioN 
Interesting
2020-05-26 12:07
He said patch in 2016 made nip domination dissapear and u think it's interesting? Newfag
2020-05-26 12:32
#44
steel | 
Israel Mizuchi 
+1
2020-05-26 17:15
he just didnt keep improving like the rest of top players. Its just how it is.
2020-05-26 03:07
#18
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
Edward, Skadoodle, Mixwell, Hiko, Rubino, Happy, ScreaM, ANGE1, AdreN, Snax, byali, Hyper, shoxie, smithz, boltz, wayLander, nex, gob b, oskar, dennis, cype, zajp, seized, GuardiaN, and many more, all they didnt kept improving like rest? Think again. most of those player lost their skill over night
2020-05-26 04:05
You're braindead
2020-05-26 04:06
#21
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
when still people like u exist, Gabe Newell will have fat pocket. Untill then, first learn to type proper explanation why im braindead
2020-05-26 04:12
#29
daps | 
Canada JC_123 
gabe has fat everything not just pocket
2020-05-26 04:59
#37
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
:D
2020-05-26 16:21
#19
2020-05-26 21:12
#71
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
Thanks
2020-05-27 03:44
Well you improve as much as you can but there is always a limit to what you can do, both intelligence and skillset AND THE REAL KEYSER SOZE WOULD NEVER REVEAL HIS IDENTITY TO THE PUBLIC
2020-05-26 04:49
Well you either push your limits, keep grinding, or you just get out paced. Thats how competition works, nooddys gonna wait for you.
2020-05-27 01:01
mmhmmm
2020-05-27 02:59
dude what are you talking about... fnatic w dennis dropped off way before the update nip was already pretty shit but won iem oakland twice after the update fnatic core had a brief resurgence in 2018 and again now in 2020
2020-05-26 04:15
#24
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
probably u dont know nip 2012-14, fnatic 2015 how they looked like.. You can compare only Astralis with those teams anything else is apsurd.. fnatic cant pass groupstage RtR Major Quals, Na'Vi cant pass groupstage RtR Major Quals, mouz cant pass groupstage RtR Major Quals, EG cant pass groupstage RtR Major Quals, Liquid cant pass groupstage RtR Major Quals. TOP5 teams cant pass groupstage for most prestigious tournament of the year and you are saying to me update2016 is perfect CSGO teams are perfect
2020-05-26 04:36
i was watching back then too. you think the reason they dropped off was because of the update? news flash: every good team will drop off eventually. even astralis. nip, verygames, ldlc, vp, fnatic, tsm, envy, sk, liquid, it goes on and on.
2020-05-26 04:41
#38
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
You are right. Everything is goes on and on, but it is normal to you when Major champion od runner-up is disbanding or skill dissapearing in a year? Its IMPOSSIBLE. bytheway dont expect quality scene when they pugging eachother everynight, playing mixes. CSGO became like ghetto, every 3rd kid became boss, every 3rd boss became worthless person
2020-05-26 16:32
i don't agree with what you're saying about their skill disappearing. there are a lot more factors that go into a team's success besides skill. leadership, tactics, teamplay, meta shifts, adaptation etc. at the time of nip and fnatic's success respectively, teams were literally being built with the idea of countering them.
2020-05-26 21:07
i mean, mou won the major in 2017 (after of curse 2016 update), how he is a good example to what u are trying to explain? So its not the update, they just getting old and thats it, they can not improve anymore cuz they already tired
2020-05-26 16:46
#40
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
bro, its on long term. where is now mou? what about Dosia? Hobbit? Do u follow EG, Liquid, Mibr situation? I wanted to say that patch killed consistency, u can be major champion in 2017, in 2018 u can easy be low skilled person iike mou right now. Playing for Syman haa. Player with Major winner reputation gots old for 2 years or suddenly he cant improve? What type of improving u wanted to say? He won MAJOR, i guess u dont expect from him to fly on the maps.
2020-05-26 17:00
Well, Astralis keep on top why update dosn't affect them? Kioshima its a major champion too and always got kicked, always walking around on t2 scene, the MAJOR its a tournament as all others but sponsored by Valve, so, the best team at moment will win, dosn't mean the champions will stay relevant just cuz they win, they need to keep improve, and thats the point, when u get old and tired its hard to improve like a fresh and hungry 17-20yo players who play the game 20 hours per day.
2020-05-26 17:08
#45
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
I said Astralis respect above our replies. Its exist something called consistency in CS. Na'Vi, mouz, EG, Liquid, fnatic, Mibr couldnt reach qualifying playoffs for most prestigious event in year, and all of them are tired/hard to improve? please bro, be honest, follow scene and u will get conclusion about patch i mentioned. Na'Vi won IEM katowice in february, in aprill cant pass CIS RtR Groupstage ? fnatic in march top1, in April cant pass RtR Groupstage, losing 16-1 from Movistar Riders or Heretics. EG team losing from Swole Patrol or Liquid from Chaos Gaming everything that in Major Quals. haha. Are they all tired?
2020-05-26 17:22
And all that inconsistence cuz 2016 patch update? CS is too competitive nowdays, a team could win a event and being suck at another for any reasons, tired of tryharder, get studied by others, relaxing on praccs cuz they won and not keep the level, and all what are u saying its about 2020, wtf a 2016 update had with it? Thats what i'm saying, old players getting shit cuz they tired, the scene its inconsistent cuz its the most competitive time on CS rn
2020-05-26 17:47
#54
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
oki. Install 2015 patch then compare with 2016 patch. Try it with bots, then come to me and u will see how much csgo became robotic. Untill then, nothing more but goodbye
2020-05-26 17:52
Goodbye bro, hope u not getting excuses for diffcults on your life.
2020-05-26 17:54
#56
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
hh, opposite; i enjoying in my life, watching my favourites CSGO teams, playing CS 1.6 mixes, wont let to be blamed by gabenito 😊
2020-05-26 18:13
Nice! happy to know this. Have a good day
2020-05-26 18:15
#58
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
😀 you too.
2020-05-26 18:17
#46
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
It sounds like you're making excuses for these players rather than stating the obvious, they simply just wasn't good enough to perform at that level. As harsh as that sounds because I know the update you're referring to, it's still not an excuse.
2020-05-26 17:25
#49
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
olofm? wasnt ready to perform at that level? look how he ended, or he is too old now or what? please. Its not about any excuse but ok.
2020-05-26 17:29
#50
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
You are objectively blaming the update solely instead of contemplating the more obvious approach of their skills simply not being up to scratch. Yes, the update screwed with a lot of things, but that is not the only reason these players under-performed. If you've been following the scene for "16 years", then you'll know this already.
2020-05-26 17:32
#52
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
how to not blame update, when its giving more priority to low biased skill players to improve (via spraying, shooting) and stagnation to more skilled players(shox, olofm,hobbit, coldzera, niko etc.) ?
2020-05-26 17:37
Did they increase interp? (peekers advantage). I remember a lot of these players were good but became bad quickly. Watching old demos pre-2016 you could actually hold angles as CT without jiggle peeking
2020-05-26 18:28
#73
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
They did something, i dont know how to explain exactly with words, it was in official statement mentioned as 'huge impact'. ibb.co/D1G5gxn ibb.co/nsHzdbM
2020-05-27 04:13
#67
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Lithuania eZaF4BYMAS 
what update? you didn't say anything about the update and what it did and how it impacted the game and pro players lol.
2020-05-27 02:29
#72
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
ibb.co/D1G5gxn this was spraying update, movement
2020-05-27 04:12
#74
jR | 
Other k23_puetz 
ibb.co/nsHzdbM this was sound update
2020-05-27 04:12
As you can see TaZ bestest
2020-05-26 02:33
#6
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Denmark Two_Inch_Man 
Venus Williams’ss
2020-05-26 02:33
Boomers get old
2020-05-26 03:05
Crazy thing is some of these guys are millennials and are still old relatively speaking
2020-05-26 03:09
well theyre not old generally speaking, but for esports yes theyre old
2020-05-26 17:27
Yeah I said relatively speaking they're old. Considering a lot of the top teams now are averaging around 20-23 years old, 30+ is OLD
2020-05-27 01:47
#10
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United States laiff 
when you get older learning new stuff and adapting is harder compared to when you are a teen
2020-05-26 03:08
3-4 years? 1.6 died almost 8 years ago
2020-05-26 03:08
#14
Dosia | 
North America Gc_29 
oh my god...
2020-05-26 03:12
#31
NAF | 
Finland sedatioN 
I meant the age difference from 25-26 to 30
2020-05-26 12:08
bro it's not about the age, it's all about patience to the game and motivation. do you know why the fuck forest is still so good? that's because he still loves the game and enjoys it as much as he enjoyed it 10 years ago.
2020-05-26 15:54
#65
NAF | 
Finland sedatioN 
It makes sense, but then you look at the volume of 1.6 players and only 1 player is thriving. Are you saying every single 1.6 pro except f0rest has lost motivation and keeps playing anyways? Meanwhile they’re past their hayday and on teams like Mustang Crew and 1WIN which are probably barely salaried? They could easily take a job in an org or a esports related job. Maybe you’re right, but it seems unlikely.
2020-05-27 02:24
these players are trying their best to achieve something, they just spent a lot of time and they can't give up on the game so easy. i barely see active 1.6 players nowadays, most of them are working for orgs or just retired
2020-05-27 04:12
#13
NEO | 
Canada chedca 
bc they are legit lol
2020-05-26 03:10
Why u dont show f0rest
2020-05-26 03:59
#32
NAF | 
Finland sedatioN 
I did
2020-05-26 12:08
Karrigan was never a Fragger in 1.6 ROFL other than the occasional highlight play, same with starix Reaction time is best at like 17 years of age. Also, it gets harder to focus on a video game for 40+ hours a week when you become an adult as other things start to become more important (girlfriend, having kids, getting a degree, owning a house and doing maintenance on it, and having hobbies other than being in front of a PC all day, etc.)
2020-05-26 04:05
#20
Dosia | 
North America Gc_29 
wasn't he like #8 in 1.6 in 2011
2020-05-26 04:10
focus 40+ hours a week? so like a full time job? the players listed are all or were full time professionals at some point. not hard at all what a fucking stupid reply.
2020-05-26 04:56
#42
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Poland dreamShow 
+1
2020-05-26 17:11
You just went full retard congratz
2020-05-27 01:03
same with starix lol? did you watch him play? 4th in 2010 and an insane player just like Edward.
2020-05-27 15:11
a difference of a completely different game does tho
2020-05-26 04:15
#47
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
You didn't mention FalleN or MODDII.
2020-05-26 17:25
#66
NAF | 
Finland sedatioN 
MODDII is inactive, somehow forgot about FalleN, he seems to be doing pretty well. The point of this thread was to spark a discussion about the possible reasons why (excluding FalleN and f0rest) almost every 1.6 pro has fallen off immensely. Nice to see you back Jonty.
2020-05-27 02:28
#51
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United Kingdom rationale 
Got old and tired of the game. I mean how much you can play the same maps over and over again? A thousand times? 5 thousand times? You must understand there are better things in life than DM'ing the same shit day in and day out.
2020-05-26 17:35
#69
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Ukraine Dert38 
it's actually not...
2020-05-27 02:42
#76
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United Kingdom rationale 
CSGO is better than anything else? Including having sex? LMAO
2020-05-27 14:58
#78
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Ukraine Dert38 
yes
2020-05-27 16:02
#79
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United Kingdom rationale 
You're missing a couple of genes.
2020-05-27 16:06
#80
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Ukraine Dert38 
and you are apparently ideal (not)
2020-05-27 16:07
#81
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United Kingdom rationale 
Your attempt at being a smartass has failed HARD since you don't even speak English.
2020-05-27 17:34
#82
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Ukraine Dert38 
nt ass
2020-05-27 19:56
#83
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United Kingdom rationale 
It's great that you're finally admitting what your real name is.
2020-05-27 22:21
#84
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Ukraine Dert38 
your.
2020-05-28 00:01
#85
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United Kingdom rationale 
Never said mine. Nice to meet you, ass.
2020-05-28 00:01
#86
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Ukraine Dert38 
nt you ass
2020-05-28 00:02
#87
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Ukraine Dert38 
are you fuck you
2020-05-28 00:02
#88
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United Kingdom rationale 
reported
2020-05-28 00:04
#89
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Ukraine Dert38 
cry is free
2020-05-28 00:04
#90
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United Kingdom rationale 
ban is better.
2020-05-28 00:04
#91
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Ukraine Dert38 
for you
2020-05-28 00:09
#93
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United Kingdom rationale 
Your verbal incontinence may get you into trouble one day or maybe it's already done which is why you just can't stop spewing shit out of your mouth since you'll never dare do that IRL.
2020-05-28 14:31
#68
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Ukraine Dert38 
overall game level is growing and not everyone is improving
2020-05-27 02:41
Because the old guard will always be shit compared to new talent and strategies.
2020-05-28 00:11
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