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Mass Shootings and Guns in America
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United States RopzIsCute 
With all of the memes about Americans and guns aside, I want to know what you guys think about guns and gun control. Personally, I think that every gun ban is an infringement of the 2nd Amendment, which says "the right of the people (citizens) to keep and bear arms (firearms) shall not be infringed." Feel free to discuss or argue :)
2020-05-26 17:04
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#1
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United States RopzIsCute 
Bump
2020-05-26 17:04
#204
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Nepal hpbaxx 
muh 2nd amendment
2020-05-26 17:58
#206
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United States RopzIsCute 
yes
2020-05-26 17:58
and why do you give so much importance to this amendment? it's very outdated, where do you guys draw the line between a useful amendment and a load of outdated BS. the 18th amendment was outdated asf, prohibiting alcohol like that and it was sort of removed, wasn't it? "The Twenty-first Amendment (Amendment XXI) to the United States Constitution repealed the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which had mandated nationwide prohibition on alcohol." So you guys understand that some stuff doesn't need to stay frozen in time. You guys truly have no use for the AR-15, of course it must be nice to go at the range and shoot some nice guns but it truly isn't vital. and don't give me the "we need to protect ourselves", you think a bunch of gun enthusiasts equals an army? xd
2020-05-26 19:34
#400
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Netherlands HetIsPatat 
bUT MuH gUnS
2020-05-26 23:18
I do think that it is outdated. I feel like a lot of people who say this picture that, as soon as the weapons are removed, our government would turn on us and create a north korea like country. Even though gun control has been implemented in other countries where nothing like this happened.
2020-05-26 23:24
#439
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United States Ash171 
THE COUNTRIES THAT THIS HAPPENED IN ALSO TAX THE RICH AND HAVE HEALTH CARE AS A HUMAN RIGHT AND I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BEING ONE OF THE WORST IN THE WORLD THE HORRIBLE CRIME LAWS ETC and u trust them when minimum wages have increased 10 cents when counting for inflation in 45 years while cost of living has went up by 102%
2020-05-27 06:10
trump need that sexy gdp to go up during quarantine as well
2020-05-27 08:20
lmfao your government would have 0 problem turning on you today, doesn't matter if you have your little AR or shotgun under your bed or not.
2020-05-27 08:42
yes if serves ((their)) interests
2020-05-27 09:35
nice name tho
2020-05-27 10:58
its not just about owning the guns its about the meaning behind them. If the government can take our self defense what else can they take?
2020-05-27 01:55
It can hardly count as self defense, bit like saying you'd have any chance fighting the government and the army if they decided to impose a dictatorship. Which they won't, by the way. Seems a bit pointless.
2020-05-27 01:57
#454
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Spain N0Love 
I'm so glad I live in Europe reading these Americans talk about gun control
2020-05-27 08:56
+1, incredibly amusing
2020-05-27 10:58
the meaning of it is saving lives, 10k a year, that's not a small toll. it's like if people before murder was considered something you could go to jail for were like "oh you can't take my right to kill, you'll leave me powerless, what are you going to take next?"
2020-05-27 10:54
#2
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Qatar FAZE_TOP1_2020 
small firearms = ok medium + large firearms = ban open carry = ban also needs better checks so not every retard can buy a gun
2020-05-26 17:05
#3
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United States RopzIsCute 
What are "big firearms" and why do you wanna ban them
2020-05-26 17:06
#6
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Qatar FAZE_TOP1_2020 
For example AR-15. Because there is no need to own them unless you live in a warzone and have to defend yourself every day.
2020-05-26 17:07
i agree
2020-05-26 17:07
#17
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United States RopzIsCute 
#10
2020-05-26 17:10
#10
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United States RopzIsCute 
Well, it's not called the bill of needs. It's called the Bill of Rights. People on my side say that I do not need to demonstrate a necessity to exercise a right.
2020-05-26 17:08
stupid law and very outdated
2020-05-26 17:13
#40
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United States RopzIsCute 
technology changes but your rights do not ^-^
2020-05-26 17:14
+1
2020-05-26 17:30
Sure, go buy a slave
2020-05-26 17:35
#118
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United States RopzIsCute 
Owning people was never an innate right
2020-05-26 17:35
Society evolves and laws have to evolve too
2020-05-26 17:37
#132
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United States RopzIsCute 
wat???????
2020-05-26 17:39
#40 is bullshit basically
2020-05-26 17:39
#138
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United States RopzIsCute 
Where do rights come from?
2020-05-26 17:40
Society
2020-05-26 17:40
#142
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United States RopzIsCute 
Oh my
2020-05-26 17:40
Where do they come from?
2020-05-26 17:41
#148
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United States RopzIsCute 
They are innate.
2020-05-26 17:41
Humans were born with the right to have guns before guns existed?
2020-05-26 17:43
#159
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United States RopzIsCute 
Not guns. Humans have the innate right to effective means of self-defense, life, liberty, and property.
2020-05-26 17:44
Rights don't exist by themselves, they are created by societies and if you can't see that i don't want to reply anymore
2020-05-26 17:50
#188
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United States RopzIsCute 
Rights are safeguarded, not created, by societies.
2020-05-26 17:51
Nt Descartes
2020-05-26 17:54
#198
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United States RopzIsCute 
nt european mexican
2020-05-26 17:54
HAHHAHAHA
2020-05-26 19:18
#409
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Peru Elkauza 
Imagine calling the country that in the past conquer most of america "European Mexican"
2020-05-26 23:37
#410
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Portugal ImCooL 
what do you expect he is american he probably thinks that Colombo Is american and that he found europe
2020-05-26 23:43
AHAHAHA
2020-05-27 08:22
no clue how some people found this funny
2020-05-28 10:57
#455
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Spain N0Love 
He doesnt even know who Descartes is it's pointless
2020-05-27 08:58
Yeah, well.. he already made a fool of himself when he started talking about innate rights & opposed the idea that societies create laws.
2020-05-27 09:38
yes, humans, who are a most wild and evil animal deserve rights since their existence, but animals make nice furcoats nj nj
2020-05-27 08:23
#152
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Spain yodofrodo 
americans that talk about 2nd amendment are retards, dont even bother
2020-05-26 17:42
then go buy a nuke and have it on your backyard just in case.
2020-05-26 18:03
#236
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United States RopzIsCute 
not how weapons work
2020-05-26 18:08
not how rights work as well then.
2020-05-26 18:23
#277
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United States RopzIsCute 
ok
2020-05-26 18:29
why do you call ar-15 large firearm lol? 5.56x45 cause injuries only
2020-05-26 17:10
man im not an expert, i mean weapons of war etc should be banned
2020-05-26 17:12
ban rocks and sticks then
2020-05-26 17:14
you cant kill multiple people in a short amount of time with rocks and sticks
2020-05-26 17:14
#49
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United States RopzIsCute 
ok well you can kill multiple people in a row with a knife
2020-05-26 17:18
Guy storms supermarket with a knife, how many people can he kill before someone takes him down? 1-2 max? Guy storms supermarket with rifle, how many people can he kill before someone takes him down? 10-20 maybe more or Just compare mass shootings at schools with "mass" stabbings at schools.
2020-05-26 17:20
#65
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United States RopzIsCute 
"Up to 22 people stabbed" "Knife attack at China train station leaves at least 27 dead." "Knife-wielding man kills 2, wounds 17" "4 dead, 2 wounded in Southern California stabbing" More people are stabbed to death than are killed by "assault weapons" in the US. More people are beat to death. Do we ban assault hands and feet?
2020-05-26 17:23
At least 27 are dead and 109 others were injured after a group of uniformed men with knives attacked people at the Kunming train station. GROUP OF PEOPLE and what can a group of people with guns do? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Pari..
2020-05-26 17:26
#78
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United States RopzIsCute 
I'm just saying that mass stabbings exist. More people are stabbed to death than are killed by "assault weapons" in the US. More people are beat to death. Do we ban assault hands and feet?
2020-05-26 17:27
More people are shot to death than getting bombed in the US. Should you legalize nukes now?
2020-05-26 17:29
#98
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United States RopzIsCute 
no because nukes aren't a self-defense weapon
2020-05-26 17:32
Neither is a rifle
2020-05-26 18:56
Except it literally is a weapon with a small area of effect that can easily be carried with you and holds enough power to successfully stop an attacker. This by definition makes it a tool for self defense.
2020-05-26 19:58
no, you are not going to have permit to carry your rifle around, thats not self defense weapon, just because it would apply at your home doesnt make difference, pistol is a self defense weapon, automatic rifle is for professional use only. if we are talking about high caliber rifles, those are not the first thing you wanna use inside your house. i have no trouble with hunters having rifles, there just need to be actual reason why someone should own a gun.
2020-05-26 22:06
You know neither an ar nor an ak can be purchased with automatic firing unless you have a license right? Obviously you didn’t know that, because if you did your entire argument makes no sense. Just another anti gun idiot who is uninformed on the topic.
2020-05-26 23:11
yeah im antigun idiot except i have no problem someone owning a handgun. semi-auto rifle can still be shot so fast there is little difference if its automatic or not, especially with bump fire stock. one would use automatic ar in semi state anyway if they had one as you are not just gonna dumb your whole clip but take single shots at target.
2020-05-26 23:16
Why are you not anti pistol? They are used in crimes more than any other category of firearm. Also, ARs can’t be automatic.
2020-05-26 23:18
didnt know that about ar, my point being even semiauto can be fired quick. im not anti pistol because americans want to have their safety and while background checking should be throughout i dont see any problem person owning a handgun if they feel its what they need in case of robbers. rifles like ar are different thing, its not used on hunting nor have any benefit that owning a pistol wouldnt bring. if person finds firing there rifles fun past time, there is gun ranges that let you try them out. also i dont see problem hunters owning high caliber rifle, as it is obviously needed.
2020-05-26 23:32
If someone needed a gun for home defense why not let them get a rifle, which you have to realize is fairly effective at scaring people off, much more so than a pistol. Also, if someone wanted to commit a crime they’d more likely choose the 1911 that they can carry into a shopping mall inconspicuously rather than the ar-15 that’s 5x larger and heavier. So, why not ban pistols and leave rifles?
2020-05-27 00:29
because if bad guy wants pistol, they are going to get one, regardless if its banned or not. what comes to rifle, its bit of a overkill for house defending especially when the first priority is to not shoot someone unless there is serious fear for ones life. banning pistols but not rifles would be like banning firecrackers but still sell grenades. so no, handgun is enough and sticker on your window that you are prepared to use lethal force if someone wants to try their luck breaking in.
2020-05-27 00:44
But statistically what you believe would happen isn’t real. Pistols are the most common type of gun used to commit crime by far. And rifles are far more effective a deterrent than a pistol.
2020-05-27 01:23
#468
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Denmark J3pS0110 
Yea but dont you think theres something wrong in a single middleaged man can buy an unlimited amount of millitary grade firearms and only have a one licence as long as he has the wealth? (refering to the las vegas mandalay bay shooting)
2020-05-27 09:47
I am not entirely familiar with the shooting you are referring to. I assume you’re referring to the ever hated ar-15. It’s not military grade. It’s specifically made to be a civilian counterpart to the m16. And yeah I’m fine with people being able to buy them without any license (you don’t actually need one at all).
2020-05-27 15:39
#548
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Denmark J3pS0110 
Thats even worse, but wouldnt you say that should be a limit of how many weapons you should be able to buy? (btw the amount of weapons the guy at the mass shooting had static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1%2C$multiply..https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1%2C$multiply_0.5187%2C$ratio_1.777778%2C$width_723%2C$x_0%2C$y_3/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/f117482a6e71bee690e15a5c04b7ca447d3f1160
2020-05-28 15:58
#92
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
He never said they dont exist. Knives are way more accessible. wtf are you trying with this retardation ''More people are beat to death. Do we ban assault hands and feet?'' FAZE_TOP1_2020 destroyed you already uninstall hltv pls
2020-05-26 17:31
#100
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United States RopzIsCute 
Libtards destroyed
2020-05-26 17:32
435 mass shootings with 517 dead and 1648 wounded in 2019 in the US alone, so why do you support guns in the US again?
2020-05-26 17:37
#131
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United States RopzIsCute 
because after a few years without guns, the death toll will be in the hundreds of thousands because the government can kill us more easily
2020-05-26 17:38
#147
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
oh you were baiting this whole time...
2020-05-26 17:41
#149
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United States RopzIsCute 
nice bait
2020-05-26 17:42
WTF LOL Alright guys dont waste any more time on this guy he is trolling 100% /thread closed
2020-05-26 17:42
#181
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United States RopzIsCute 
The comment was sarcastic bait but my point still isn't I support guns to defend against tyranny that may occur as a result of my disarmament
2020-05-26 17:50
bro ur govt already doesnt represent the will of the people. theyve already attempted and probably succeeded in mass surveillance, they start unpopular wars and send you to die, its over man
2020-05-26 19:32
what exactly are you gonna protect against with your gun, police officer that is send to retrieve your gun? id say its not very smart to openly toot about starting a civil war if guns are banned, people have gone to jail for less.
2020-05-26 22:10
His AR-15 is gonna kill all the drones that will come to his house and assassinate his family. lmfao, americans
2020-05-27 11:11
#491
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United States RopzIsCute 
Drones alone can't enforce tyranny
2020-05-27 15:16
in 100 years they probably will LUL
2020-05-27 15:28
#509
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United States RopzIsCute 
X
2020-05-27 15:40
delusional
2020-05-27 11:10
#492
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United States RopzIsCute 
The comment was sarcastic bait but my point still isn't I support guns to defend against tyranny that may occur as a result of my disarmament
2020-05-27 15:17
#139
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
so nothing to say lol
2020-05-26 17:40
hello FAZE_TOP1_2020 alt
2020-05-26 18:14
trying to justify wrong with another wrong is the way to go in first place, mass knifing happens, therefor citizens should be allowed to own a rifle they can ejaculate on. only people that has right to own big gun is hunter in my eyes, its not just a hobby, to some people it brings living.
2020-05-26 17:37
"but muh guns & muh rights" cried out the redneck american
2020-05-27 09:43
#85
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United States JeyyR 
Open carry helps stop the guy who runs in with a rifle just so you know. The reason the guy with the gun is hard to stop is because of the range and damage he can do. Even one licensed open carrier can stop a shooter and has in many cases
2020-05-26 17:29
#104
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
maybe the he wouldn't have the rifle in the first place, if there weren't so loose gun laws?
2020-05-26 17:33
#117
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
Like I said in #94. Criminals won’t be stopped by laws. There’s laws against murder and it stops no one. The only people you stop by removing guns are the people who were going to abide by the laws to begin with
2020-05-26 17:35
#164
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
''There’s laws against murder and it stops no one.'' Ofc it stops people from committing murder, it doesn't stop everybody but it does definitely stop most people from committing murder. If there were no law against murder it would be chaos man wtf
2020-05-26 17:44
#182
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United States JeyyR 
It doesn’t stop all murders sure. And maybe more murders would be committed but who knows. The point is, law abiding citizens are the ones hurt by gun laws not the criminals committing the crimes. Look up Chicago and read about how gun laws helped them. Criminals were already planning to break laws anyways so why would they be stopped by a gun law? The answer simply is they won’t. Now you’ve just taken self defense out of the equation for the victim and anyone looking to commit a crime in Chicago for example can know they won’t have to worry about their victims having a gun to defend themselves. Gun laws do not help save lives because the people taking lives with guns are in the vast majority already criminals or mentally insane and they would not follow a law regardless of what you say is or isn’t allowed in terms of guns. If you don’t understand that then you’re beyond help my friend.
2020-05-26 17:50
#202
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
Western european countries all have very strict gun laws and the gun availability is incredibly small and thats why criminals do not use firearms as often because they are so hard to get. Its way better to not give the chance to criminals get the gun in the first place
2020-05-26 17:56
#248
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United States JeyyR 
Most criminals in these mass shootings haven’t gotten their guns legally to begin with I hate to break it to you. Meth for example is also illegal. But somehow there’s thousands of people addicted to it. Saying it’s illegal to have doesn’t stop people from obtaining things illegally and again the only people it stops are the victims of these gun violence issues not the perpetrators
2020-05-26 18:13
i hate to break it to you but only 3% of mass shootings are solved by civilian and even less of them with firearm of their own. your 'good guy with a gun' are extremely rare to occur. there has been heroes, but there has been also those who cops have mistaken as the active shooter and they are not going to ask you to put your gun down, they are going to shoot you if the call has been mass shooting with casualties.
2020-05-26 22:18
#310
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Finland t0ki 
Yes, we get it, the US is fucked and you cant fix it
2020-05-26 19:03
#370
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United States JeyyR 
not really fucked. as much as the media plays up shootings (and trust me i believe mass shootings like that should never happen and even once is too often), there is a vast majority of mass shootings that are stopped and an enormous amount of lives saved by law abiding citizens who are properly carrying and using a gun as self defense. I could name countless cases that guns have stopped shooters, but the bottom line is, when a criminal has a gun, a police officer will not be there in time to stop them, and lives can be saved without gun laws that would never be okay in the eyes of most american citizens.
2020-05-26 21:19
#186
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
''Criminals won’t be stopped by laws.'' Law is what gives the police officer the right to detain a criminal. Laws literally help stopping criminal activity
2020-05-26 17:50
#240
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United States JeyyR 
Criminals don’t care about laws buddy. Police officers aren’t there all the time all you’re doing is allowing the shooter time while the victims wait and hope they don’t die. It’s ridiculous to say that laws against guns will stop someone determined to kill or commit a crime
2020-05-26 18:11
#298
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Germany Shadyy89 
So your point is that if you want to be safe in the united states, you have to carry a gun with you. Sounds like you life in a open warzone over there. Which area are you from?
2020-05-26 18:48
#303
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United States JeyyR 
I didn’t say that. You’re safest if you can defend yourself no matter where you live. That’s not my opinion that’s a statement of fact. If you need a gun to protect yourself, God forbid you ever truly needed it, a gun restriction would only hurt the people that need it. I’m Not sure how this is so hard for you to understand
2020-05-26 18:56
#316
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Germany Shadyy89 
Well I do understand you. If everybody already had a gun here and shootings would be happen on a daily base, I would be scared as well if a law would take mine away. About us: You need to know that we live in a safe world where gun murders are a very very rare thing, so your whole construct of bad people or the government running down all shit with their guns as soon as a law forbids mine sounds weird from our perspective (since its working way better over here). But if shit like Nazi taking power in 1933 with Gestapo etc. would happen again, than I wish that I would have an arsenal at home as well.
2020-05-26 19:10
#369
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
sure i understand we have different perspectives and sort of in the same way i said in #293, our intensely different cultures makes it hard to realize how difficult gun control in America is. Essentially, like you said with Nazi taking power, Americans mostly value the right to bear arms because of protection from governments and to protect civil liberties. Of course as of recently, gun violence has become more prevalent and know gun ownership is less so used to protect rights of citizens against the government and now most people who own guns use them for personal protection from other citizens. TLDR: As Utopian as it sounds to just enforce gun control laws in America, the makeup and history of the US makes it nearly impossible and the implementation of gun laws seen in other countries would lead to a revolution, as citizens would view it as a breach of freedoms and rights by the government and a removal of the ability to defend ourselves by citizens (from the government or from each other).
2020-05-26 21:17
#493
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United States RopzIsCute 
+1
2020-05-27 15:18
americans like to imagine things, they perceive threats before they even happen. sometimes they even invade countries based on their fears.
2020-05-27 09:46
#122
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
Chicago again is the best example of this. Strict gun laws. Highest murder per capita (if I remember correctly)
2020-05-26 17:36
#94
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
PS. The best example of gun control in the US is Chicago (strictest gun laws in the nation) and they also have the greatest amount of gun violence. The only thing that restrictive gun laws do is remove guns from law abiding citizens
2020-05-26 17:31
That's because gun culture is already installed in all of the US. The amount of guns that already exist in the country is what gives them the availability, regardless of laws. In countries with strict laws + the lack of this guns (for fuck's sake, rifles are every fucking where in the us), availability for both law abiding citienz and criminals is a lot lower.
2020-05-26 18:33
#293
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
There’s really no way to implement the same gun laws in the US. You’re right about the culture and supply of guns but the idea that a law will stop gun violence is ridiculous and American citizens will never willingly give up their guns as it is the a constitutional right to bear arms. As sad as it may seem it’s true and for a society like America, restrictive gun laws make it more difficult to protect your home, place of worship, schools, etc. so gun laws are not the solution for the current state of the US
2020-05-26 18:45
I agree to that point, your people will have to be a lot more creative than just a law given the state of things around there regarding this matter.
2020-05-26 18:47
#319
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North America Swboy1010 
Becuase if law abiding citizens right’s to defend themselves are taken away than only the criminals will be able to have them.
2020-05-26 19:11
Go look at some statistics. If you think having a gun in your home makes it safer you are very wrong, it is much likely there will be a gun fatality in a home with a gun than in one without a gun. The defend your self idea is fine, but the reality is tragic things is more likely to happen when there is a gun in the house. Even if let say there is a criminal, what is best a criminal that steals your stuff or a criminal that shoots you and then steal your stuff because that is much more the reality. And that is disregarding the accidental shootings, the teenager arriving home to late that sneaks in and sleepy mom/dad things it is a bad guy...
2020-05-26 22:16
#392
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North America Swboy1010 
Criminals will get weopones no matter what because they are criminals you can’t stop that. And you realize most houses in the US have cameras in their homes and 24/7 alarm systems. And usually now teenagers don’t hang out late at night anymore and pretty much every teenager now have cellphones which they can call or text their parents before coming into the house.
2020-05-26 22:39
Criminals are, mostly, not stupid and will only get guns if they need to since they know that if caught having a gun adds a lot of jail time. So with the main reason for criminals to have guns when doing robberies is the risk of armed opponents, then guess what happens if opponents are not likely to have guns. Case in point - criminals in Europe rarely have guns and if they do it is more because they are in conflicts with other criminals. The result is a lot less deaths, not only among criminals but along law enforcement and ordinary people. Btw. you need to look up some stats, it is around 20% of homes in the US that have alarm systems so far from "most". And I also do not buy that teenagers do not hang out late and come home later than they are supposed to - and those that do the ones which want to sneak in unnoticed certainly do not text their parents. Either you the worlds strangest teenager or you've gotten so old you can not remember how it is like.
2020-05-27 02:02
#428
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North America Swboy1010 
No I really don’t hang around at night as most of my friends are either online or live miles away from me and we can only meet each other when we are at school so most teenagers in my area do not hang out by themselves, and most of them are already to busy with sports, and other extracurricular activivities, by city there’s not many places you could hang out at night without being involved in a drug deal or be around unprediciple and dangerous people, and people who are high or on as like I said earlier on drugs.
2020-05-27 02:20
ban violence mens)))
2020-05-26 17:29
#71
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
nice cringe
2020-05-26 17:24
#318
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North America Swboy1010 
If your not an expert than don;t talk about guns simple as that.
2020-05-26 19:10
flare looks like a dirt on the screen
2020-05-26 17:33
#GoSalamander
2020-05-26 17:34
#GoCleanTheScreen #notoxic
2020-05-26 17:35
wanna test your theory, shoot clip full of 5.56 on to your chest and see what it does. they are called big firearms because of the firepower aka rounds per minute you can shoot, heck even .22 is enough for killing if you have tool to launch them rapidly.
2020-05-26 17:58
5.56 is designed to injure -_- in military conditions wounded guy distract at least 2 guys to evacuate him. it is more effective than killing because who the fuck care about corpses.
2020-05-26 18:22
something designed to injure is still lethal when fired in large quantities, shouldnt be that hard to understand. person who is on his way to mass shooting isnt going to follow army methods of gaining advantage in combat.
2020-05-26 18:26
brick is also lethal. so what?
2020-05-26 18:27
yeah? you were gonna build house out of ar-15's or bricks? vegas shooter used ar-15, how come so many people died when he was clearly using gun designed to injure?
2020-05-26 18:34
i mean if someone wants to mass kill he can - use truck to hit crowd - cause fire - blow up - etc why would someone need a gun? go ahead and ban gasoline, matches and cars at least then talk about weapons
2020-05-26 18:37
no, you dont seem to understand what benefit vs risk means, cars, while possible deathly during crashes has more benefits outweighing the risks, guns dont.
2020-05-26 18:40
i can agree with .50 bmg rifles ban. but ar-15 come on dude. its like mosquito bite
2020-05-26 18:46
why should average person be allowed to own ar-15? what is benefit there? btw, did you know that mosquitos are the deadliest animals on earth? suddenly your mosquito bite doesnt sound that harmless anymore when it kills almost million people a year.
2020-05-26 19:03
i would use ar-15 outside the city to shoot at cans and bottles. who cars about africa. in my country mosquitos are harmless so i compared their uselessness with ar-15
2020-05-26 19:06
so in other words on civilian hands ar-15 has no real use. you can do that at gunrange with borrowed weapon. if the gun is so useless then why even own one.
2020-05-26 19:08
because why not? its like driving a cart. cart is useless as a transport but delivers a lot of fun.
2020-05-26 19:13
and are harmless as deadly incidences during carting are extremely rare, therefor ban guns, allow carts.
2020-05-26 19:16
Come on dude. I know that you are from ireland and have ira flashbacks. But life goes on and guns should not be banned ever
2020-05-26 19:22
not handguns, anything else is not necessary if you are not a hunter. people who like shooting guns go to places where to shoot the guns.
2020-05-26 19:42
That is like the most stupid analogy ever. - How many people have been killed or injured by some kid finding a cart under a car seat? - How many cops shoot someone because they fear someone they have pulled over in a traffic stop is reaching for a cart when they look for their driver license? - How many shcool carting massacres has there been? . . . May I suggest you find a better argument for not banning guns. Like you could have said you live in a corrupt dictatorship and you are afraid of your life.
2020-05-26 21:48
No point in talking to these people, most inbred type of humans there is
2020-05-27 11:15
#323
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North America Swboy1010 
Let’s say if someone is robbing your house and they have a gun and you do aswell, and you know you are not a good shot, what good would a revolver do or a bolt action rifle. Exactly you won’t be able to hit anything and the person who shoots first and hits the other person wins the gun battles. So if the owner does not have good enough aim but has superior firepower than the owner will always win against the robber.
2020-05-26 19:13
why buy gun if you cant even fucking use it? if only way for you to take down armed robber is to blast away with rifle, odds are you dont even know how to use that shit.
2020-05-26 19:18
#335
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North America Swboy1010 
Why would you buy a car if you don’t know how to use it? Same thing with guns you learn how to use them. Also reaction time does not equal not knowing how to use a gun. And if someone does have an assault rifle than he or she probably have been living near guns their entire life. And you first point exactly why would you buy a pistol if it wont work in home defense situations, you buy something that you can use. Be it a knife, baseball bat, or of course an assault rifle. It depends on the person, just like a car.
2020-05-26 19:22
'Why would you buy a car if you don’t know how to use it? Same thing with guns you learn how to use them.' thank you for answering the question of your scenario, buy gun, learn to use it so you dont need a rifle the defend your house with.
2020-05-26 19:43
#208
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North America 007DBR9 
MG42 = small
2020-05-26 17:59
#349
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Sweden DanzigOrWar 
so what your saying is you cant die to a 5.56 bullet?
2020-05-26 20:00
No i am just baiting
2020-05-26 20:01
+1
2020-05-27 08:43
Rifles, sub-machine guns and shotguns. Shotguns can be legal for store and bank owners for emergencies and to be kept only in their workplace.
2020-05-26 17:23
#67
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United States RopzIsCute 
Why not personal use?
2020-05-26 17:23
Use a fucking pistol for "personal use". What are you going to do when you have a Carbine instead of a pistol? it's not CS, both of them will probably kill in one shot.
2020-05-26 17:26
Because if u dont have NA u can easily outaim stupid NA robber or whoever yo uwant to shoot with your right, right? A pistol is good enough to headshot once and they will be dead. Tere is simply no reason to have a assault rifle at home
2020-05-26 17:31
explained shortly. gj /closed
2020-05-26 17:36
/opened ty /closed
2020-05-26 17:38
#191
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United States RopzIsCute 
I can outaim an NA robber with my AK-47
2020-05-26 17:51
#326
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North America Swboy1010 
Well wheat if you’re aim is terrible or you have bad reaction time. I would take an assault rifle over a pistol for home defence any day. Because one it has superior firepower so you don’t have to aim and hit the person on the first shot. And two if the robber knows that the home owner is a gun owner he’s going to think twice about robbing your house.
2020-05-26 19:15
Pistol = gun If youre relatively close range, as in a house, it wont be that hard to hit a person with a pistol.
2020-05-26 19:20
#337
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North America Swboy1010 
Well what if that robber also has an Assualt Rifle or a heavy fire power gun. You just don’t know. And the house might be a big mansion or somewhere out in the woods where their is no police service within more than a mile that can get their fast enough before you’re dead. That is what the second amendment is for to be able to defend yourself wiithout being charged for mudur.
2020-05-26 19:25
If you're allowed to carry an AR-15 I certainly hope you have good enough aim to use a fucking pistol lmfao. That's the most BS arguement I've ever heard, and if it's true then USA is more fucked than I thought in the first place. Giving out AR's to people that doesn't know how to aim properly with a small handgun, hahahah
2020-05-27 08:45
#512
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North America Swboy1010 
Ok one most people do have good eyesight and if they do then they should be able to have a pistol. And most people do have pistols for self defense and we are not just giving out AR’s to people you know that right, there are extensive background checks for those types of guns. But I guess you did no know that because you are a foreigner and know nothing of this country. So I see you are from Albania correct, and how many people were interrogated and disappeared under that communist regime because they were defenseless, or the people did not have enough firepower to overthrow that communist regime. And one of the biggest reasons why the US is impossible to be invaded by foreign country’s not just because the size of our military, but because of weapons in the civilians hands, which would be almost impossible for the occupation force to crackdown on.
2020-05-27 16:58
#215
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North America 007DBR9 
what's your opinion on owning guns as a colector of historical weapons, rather than modern guns. for example ww1 bolt action rifles and pistols
2020-05-26 18:01
with no ammo, go for it.
2020-05-26 18:02
#224
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North America 007DBR9 
what about with ammo to take it to a firing range
2020-05-26 18:03
Firing range should give the ammo and take it when you are over.
2020-05-26 18:04
#8
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CIS sexiestuser 
how is open carry worse than concealed carry?
2020-05-26 17:07
#12
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United States RopzIsCute 
+11111
2020-05-26 17:08
cus we are not living in a perfect world where people dont have biases and stereotypes, black man openly carrying a gun wearing mask as protect from covid19 enters a store, what do you think happens next?
2020-05-26 18:01
#229
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CIS sexiestuser 
if i had to choose between your scenario and a black man with a mask and a handgun hidden in his jacket i would pick your scenario 10 times out of 10
2020-05-26 18:05
good its not up to you to pick, considering how triggerhappy people american police force consist it would be a chaos.
2020-05-26 18:07
exactly concealed you can just walk into the fucking garlic festival packing heat with out anyone knowing and then all hell breaks lose
2020-05-26 18:02
#230
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CIS sexiestuser 
why would anyone shoot up a garlic festival mens((
2020-05-26 18:05
out of everything choose a fucking garlic festival, yeah ok. theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/29/cali..
2020-05-26 18:07
but small firearms are the ones that kill more people evry year, so why ban big ones
2020-05-26 17:36
This post is so bad it has to be trolling >big guns like ar-15 bad even though ar-15s are semiautomatic and large size makes it more difficult for a gun to be concealed a fully automatic smg or machine pistol is somehow less dangerous than a muzzle loading black powder rifle by this logic making a big deal about open carry but saying nothing about concealed carry is beyond stupid, too. I don't know how someone thinks that concealed firearms are somehow safer and not more dangerous
2020-05-26 18:39
This sounds like basic undebatable common sense to everyone but Americans.
2020-05-26 19:02
+1 why would someone need automatic rifle to defend himself .. and man i hate ppl who say its not the fault of the guns that mass-shootings happen no one can take and knife and 10+ ppl in a school its obviously a gun rule problem in anerica fucking nra
2020-05-26 19:32
Please enlighten me on one shooting that happened in the last decade with an automatic rifle. You are aware that in order to obtain an automatic rifle, you have to go through so so much work right? It’s not as easy as walking into a Walmart like the media acts it is. And why does the size of a gun matter? You can cause the exact same amount of damage with say, an incendiary 9mm as you could with a basic 5.56 round. And you could buy a rifle shooting pistol rounds as well. The size of the gun doesn’t mean shit. It’s just an excuse to label a gun as dangerous or “an assault weapon”, whatever the hell that means. If guns are the problem please explain why Switzerland has such low gun crime but also such high gun ownership?
2020-05-26 20:04
2020-05-26 20:23
statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shoo.. bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF Damn you really out here believing “assault rifles” are a real thing
2020-05-27 15:25
your first source proofs my fact and the second one is outdates(July 1995) nt tump fanboy
2020-05-28 09:43
The first source shows pistols being used more than rifles and pistols combined. Are you illiterate?
2020-05-28 14:45
Bump stock?
2020-05-27 08:12
Bump stocks aren’t actually very common to see used. There have been two high profile bump stock uses as far as I know. They are quite hard to obtain unless you make your own because most gun stores don’t sell them. Bump stocks are a tired excuse to ban guns that have no reason to be banned
2020-05-27 15:28
No. No. No. Small firearms are in many ways the worst, they may not be the hit among school shooters but in accidental shooting, kids playing with guns they find at home... they are much worse and wtf would people have a good reason to own one in the first place.
2020-05-26 21:51
What does banning open carry accomplish? It's not exactly making anyone safer.
2020-05-27 09:26
#4
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Poland rude_wredne 
If somebody wants to have an firearm then he will get it anyway no matter if its forbidden or not.
2020-05-26 17:06
yeah, that's what people don't seem to get. Brazil has one of the biggest, if not the biggest, gun violence numbers and guess what? Guns are extremely hard to get there
2020-05-26 17:09
its not related to whether you have gun control or not, its a cultural thing. my country is a poverty stricken shithole, and if firearms were allowed we would have even higher homicide rates. take japan for example, they have a strict gun control policy and one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. being pro guns is not the solution
2020-05-26 17:42
I don't think it would make a difference tbh. You can say that about Japan but I can counter it with Switzerland or Canada or Iceland, they all have around 30 guns per 100 citizens (according to wikipedia) and they are all considered to be pretty safe, wouldn't you say so?
2020-05-26 18:55
#331
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North America Swboy1010 
It’s because of Japan’s culture. The japanaese are very good law followers and trust the government, and their standard of living is higher so they do not have the need to defend themselves. But here in America you simply cannot trust anybody, and you definitely do not feel safe. Even in the Big cities like New York feels like your going to be attacked with a knife any second. Gun laws only work for certain types of cultures and values.
2020-05-26 19:19
still its a differance to buy guns in darkweb (its not rly ez you need knowledge and determination for it ) or if you can go to a store and buy your shit .. america is just brainwashed by nra
2020-05-26 19:37
4/5 gun crimes in the us are done with an illegally obtained firearm.
2020-05-26 20:06
like is said brainwashed by nra
2020-05-26 20:15
Just stating a fact. Do use it as you please.
2020-05-26 20:20
mb true in case of crimes cuz ppl dont want use registered weapons but in case of mass shootings its bullshit just a fact used by nra to defend guns kunc.org/post/1982-74-percent-mass-shoot..
2020-05-26 20:29
In mass shootings people have less to lose and it’s a smaller study group. Why are you focusing on the mass shootings (which most are done with pistols) over the crimes? Why not try to get a complete analysis of guns used in less than legal ways? Is it because you want to lower the sample size to fit your anti-gun narrative?
2020-05-27 15:34
Burn it then
2020-05-26 17:06
#22
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United States RopzIsCute 
Burn what
2020-05-26 17:11
The amendment
2020-05-26 17:11
#29
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United States RopzIsCute 
Why tf would we do that
2020-05-26 17:12
#36
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North America Gumdrop 
For what
2020-05-26 17:14
For being bad
2020-05-26 17:14
#43
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North America Gumdrop 
0/8
2020-05-26 17:15
It's just a piece of paper. If it doesnt make sense why keep it? You americans somehow believe that just because its been written on a piece of paper then thats the way it has to be for all eternity.
2020-05-26 19:05
#494
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United States RopzIsCute 
That paper was our country's foundation.
2020-05-27 15:18
So it has sentimental value? Cool. Keep it in a museum. But a 200+ year old document shouldn't really dictate how a country is being run in the year 2020.
2020-05-27 16:51
#513
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United States RopzIsCute 
Why not
2020-05-27 17:05
In case it isn't patently obvious.. It's because things change.
2020-05-27 17:07
#525
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United States RopzIsCute 
ok but just bc things change doesn't mean we need to burn our country's foundation
2020-05-27 18:04
Not sure what youre talking about. "Burn our country's foundation"?
2020-05-27 18:37
#532
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United States RopzIsCute 
The Constitution
2020-05-27 18:47
Yeah but i dont want to burn it. I said to keep it in a museum.
2020-05-27 18:49
#217
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
8/8 real and true
2020-05-26 18:01
Just votekick mass shooters wtf
2020-05-26 17:07
#58
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United States RopzIsCute 
what if no one presses f1
2020-05-26 17:20
Everyone f2’s it because muh 2nd amendment
2020-05-26 18:50
muh
2020-05-26 19:21
#495
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United States RopzIsCute 
Underrated comment
2020-05-27 15:19
#11
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Finland KassaK 
Why would the constitution matter
2020-05-26 17:08
#15
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United States RopzIsCute 
I meant to say "guns in America." Outside of the US, though, I would say that each person still has a right to defend themselves. Even though that right may not be enshrined in a country's constitution, your rights are innate and do not come from government.
2020-05-26 17:09
#24
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Finland KassaK 
Yeah I know that you're talking about US but I just don't get why you're always so obsessed about the constitution. Don't get me wrong I still do agree that people have the right to defend themselves I just never really understood why the constitution is such a big deal
2020-05-26 17:11
#28
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United States RopzIsCute 
Oh. It's because people want a justification in the Constitution, the law of the land. There are other justifications but people still relate to it to prove that it is in the law.
2020-05-26 17:12
#50
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Finland KassaK 
Yeah I kind of get that, I just think that something so old shouldn't be a deciding factor these days
2020-05-26 17:18
#53
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United States RopzIsCute 
I get it, but it's really for the Supreme Court and stuff
2020-05-26 17:19
#435
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United States syrup_god 
the way american law works is the consitution is the highest individual set of laws, the law of the land if you will. there's really no choice to ignore what it says since the entire american legal system is based on it and what it does say.
2020-05-27 04:24
#470
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Finland KassaK 
I know thaf it works like that, I just don't think that it should
2020-05-27 10:12
Because the constitution was the first document to guarantee those rights as innate human ones. The constitution is really the founding document of western values and way of life. Because of this, you kinda have to hold its words in high regard. Nobody is really saying that the reason we must have 2a is because it’s in the constitution, rather that the constitution holds a certain authority as being a list of innate human rights, thus the argument is more that self defense is an inalienable human right.
2020-05-26 20:12
I think it's an important part of your economy. That said, i'm glad we've banned guns in my country.
2020-05-26 17:09
#21
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United States RopzIsCute 
Why?
2020-05-26 17:11
I'm guessing that you're referring to my last sentence. Because i believe that having guns available, would cause more mass shootings, than not having guns available.
2020-05-26 17:14
#46
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United States RopzIsCute 
A popular slogan from the pro-gun side is that guns will defend against tyranny. What do you think about that?
2020-05-26 17:16
I think that's complete and utter propaganda. They could take a look at Europe, we don't have any problems with tyranny.
2020-05-26 17:19
#55
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United States RopzIsCute 
They usually take a look at China, USSR, Nazi Germany, Cambodia, and other states that enforced gun control. Europe is different than the US.
2020-05-26 17:20
They will do what ever it takes to keep guns legal. At this point you can't afford to ban them.
2020-05-26 17:21
#226
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North America 007DBR9 
nazi germany was sadly what the people wanted
2020-05-26 18:04
#496
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United States RopzIsCute 
Ok so if I own a gun, they're gonna have a harder time loading me into the boxcar
2020-05-27 15:19
? Reply needs to have actual content
2020-05-28 11:05
#231
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
China, USSR, Nazi Germany, Cambodia are also different than the US? You cant just completely make EU disappear because it doesn't fit into your narrative
2020-05-26 18:06
#235
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United States RopzIsCute 
well yeah they're different
2020-05-26 18:07
You don’t have problems now. Im sure that most of Eastern Europe had similar thoughts before Soviet occupation.
2020-05-26 20:14
i dont see americans fighting against tyranny i just see them shooting up schools
2020-05-26 17:19
#56
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United States RopzIsCute 
Tyranny comes eventually, not in one fell swoop
2020-05-26 17:20
Eventually when? Last time you could say there was tyranny in usa was in 18th century maybe in 300 years will be again but better to not have school shooting untill then
2020-05-26 17:23
#497
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United States RopzIsCute 
If you see what the US gov did to Indians and blacks you'd automatically want a rifle to defend yourself
2020-05-27 15:20
thankfully i dont live in america
2020-05-27 15:26
#503
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United States RopzIsCute 
Where do u live
2020-05-27 15:28
NATO partners, small militia groups that work for you, rednecks... they all buy guns.
2020-05-26 17:24
even if they ban them people still fucking shoot up shit? criminals dont care about laws
2020-05-26 20:27
The more guns the better, but just in the USA.
2020-05-26 17:09
#20
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United States RopzIsCute 
Why not in your country?
2020-05-26 17:11
Because I'm fine with you guys killing eachother, that's what you want, it's your """"""right""""" go for it,
2020-05-26 17:14
#44
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United States RopzIsCute 
What country do you live in, Cambodian fakeflagger?
2020-05-26 17:15
A country where private citizens can own guns, but open carry, concealed carry and fucking ARs are not a thing, I enjoy knowing people near me couldn't wear a strap, if you do that's your thing.
2020-05-26 17:26
#177
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United States RopzIsCute 
Why don't you like ARs? :)
2020-05-26 17:49
Because I don't need to overcompensate for my small dick
2020-05-26 17:50
#187
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United States RopzIsCute 
I have no dick
2020-05-26 17:50
That's why you need an AR, eunuchs love ARs
2020-05-26 17:51
#498
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United States RopzIsCute 
I'm not a eunuch
2020-05-27 15:20
#26
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Luxembourg fowkingell 
I like guns, as long as they stay in USA
2020-05-26 17:12
kill all americans no more gun crime izi pizi
2020-05-26 17:10
nothing beats good old good guy with a gun mistaking another good guy with a gun as the active shooter and they have a firefight, entertainment for the whole family.
2020-05-26 17:13
#34
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United States RopzIsCute 
When has that happened?
2020-05-26 17:14
when cops shot that iraq war veteran at mall shooting as he was trying to stop the shooter, guess him being black had something to do with it.
2020-05-26 17:16
#47
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United States RopzIsCute 
Police are literally agents of the state, not civilians. That doesn't exactly count...
2020-05-26 17:17
oh it doesnt count? so its fine to get shot by cops when you are the one trying to help? duty noted sir.
2020-05-26 17:18
#51
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United States RopzIsCute 
No. I am saying that civilian gun ownership =/= cop gun ownership. Agents of the state aren't civilians. Also, it's ma'am.
2020-05-26 17:18
yes ma'am, dont think anyone wants to take guns from cops. this might be too leftist snowflake cuck video but it sites few problems with the 'good guy with a gun' scenario. youtube.com/watch?v=MCI4bUk4vuM
2020-05-26 17:23
#75
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United States RopzIsCute 
Trevor Noah, cringe. I want to demilitarize some police because of the police brutality problem in the USA. The one problem with this thing is that in most defensive gun uses, the gun isn't fired. The stats are only counted when the gun is fired. For example, if someone draws a knife and wants to rob me, and I draw my gun in return, the logical thing to do for the robber is to run away. That doesn't count statistically.
2020-05-26 17:26
but why would someone draw a gun on you if its easy for them to get a gun? also dont worry, trevor noah is not the one speaking on the video, its the gun experts who train daily for active shootings.
2020-05-26 17:29
#124
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United States RopzIsCute 
Idk man, some people carry knives
2020-05-26 17:37
#249
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North America 007DBR9 
change that some to all if you're up in da UK
2020-05-26 18:13
#167
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United States RopzIsCute 
I recommend you watch this dude named Colion Noir on YouTube.
2020-05-26 17:45
i have watched his videos, i rather have two unbiased arguments to base my opinion on rather than one. think thats the biggest time waster on america in general, instead of taking time studying both talking points, its just two sides throwing snowflakes and trumptards around, parroting stuff they have heard somewhere.
2020-05-26 17:49
#185
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United States RopzIsCute 
Yep. I actually like listening to the opposing side.
2020-05-26 17:50
But ma'am, would a society where only the police has guns not be a lot safer. I know getting the ketchup back in the bottle is pretty impossible from one day to the next, but progress is possible. In Europe even bad guys rarely have guns, so police hardly ever have to use theirs so for that reason there is a lot less death by cop situations and someone innocent getting shot by a cop is extremely rare - so rare in fact that I can not think of a single such situation happening here in Denmark. And that is just one aspect of the difference between guns all over and guns only with those that hunt or a law enforcement (and hunters do not have automatic rifles or hand guns).
2020-05-26 17:30
#95
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United States RopzIsCute 
Police = government. When only the government has guns, we get fucked.
2020-05-26 17:31
I highly doubt that. How would that even work, the government consists of people so surely they would not use guns on other people unless there is like an attempt of a coup.
2020-05-26 17:47
#175
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United States RopzIsCute 
Have you seen Nazi Germany? The USSR? Cambodia? China?
2020-05-26 17:47
Are you saying that Hitlers takeover of Germany, the communist takeover of Russia after the revolution, Pol Pots Takeover of Cambodia and the communist revolution in China happened because the government had weapons and the "people" did not?
2020-05-26 18:13
#255
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United States RopzIsCute 
I am saying that tyranny works best when the citizens cannot fight back. If every Soviet citizen had a gun, I doubt the Gulags would've happened
2020-05-26 18:14
I think you are very mistaken. What makes the difference from back then and now is access to information, the internet, that everyone has a camera and can live broadcast is much more powerful than people having guns. And importantly cameras and the internet does not kill people, people with guns do. cbsnews.com/news/mass-shootings-2019-mor..
2020-05-26 18:51
#37
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Myanmar aligholiz77 
The right to bear arms means the right to keep your arms and use them for labor it doesn't mean guns.
2020-05-26 17:14
#42
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United States RopzIsCute 
wtf i thought it meant the arms of a bear shit
2020-05-26 17:15
The 2nd amendment is from a different era and does not belong in modern time, it is from a time where guns was something different ie. harder to handle, fully manual and not something every person including kids could just fire at a whim. And even more importantly it is from a time where the world was less civilized, in this day in age there is zero chance of anyone attacking the US and despite the differences people in the US have over how their president should be anything like government using arms against the people is very far away. So I see no arguments for the 2nd and all the deaths by accidents, suicides, criminal acts and law enforcement having to shoot tells very clearly about the problems guns create. And the 2nd is made even worse by stand your ground laws, gun control measures that are just token ones in most states and all the loopholes as well. Guns don't kill people, but people with easy access to guns sure as hell does.
2020-05-26 17:22
#86
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United States RopzIsCute 
The government treats us like such shit now. Imagine what they'll do to us when we're disarmed.
2020-05-26 17:29
you know that thats your foult that you have that government? arent you voting them in>
2020-05-26 17:42
#257
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United States RopzIsCute 
My fault? I didn't vote for this horseshit.
2020-05-26 18:16
your as nations.
2020-05-26 18:17
#256
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North America 007DBR9 
the blessed constitution is what makes our government so ass
2020-05-26 18:15
You do know that they could own fucking cannons if they wanted to, right?
2020-05-26 18:56
if you have guns to protect yourself from guns just take guns away from both parties and youre equally safe wtf
2020-05-26 17:23
#76
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United States RopzIsCute 
Not from the government)) I'm kinda scared of governments because of what they've done in the past
2020-05-26 17:26
ur telling me ur government is gonna start killing american citizens to do what?
2020-05-26 17:29
#500
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United States RopzIsCute 
have power
2020-05-27 15:20
over who?
2020-05-28 15:39
#549
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United States RopzIsCute 
have enough power to give the government a good fight
2020-05-28 16:32
Please give an example of what you're thinking of.
2020-05-26 17:32
#203
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United States RopzIsCute 
Wounded Knee, Japanese Internment, Tuskegee Experiments, Tulsa Race Riots, everything here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_mas..
2020-05-26 17:57
So nothing within the last 50 years as expected, in other words nothing from the time where the internet and every person having a video camera in their pocket able to live broadcast. As expected. A camera and the internet holds much more power than guns do, the things you list hold zero relevance today. This is much more relevant: cbsnews.com/news/mass-shootings-2019-mor..
2020-05-26 18:46
+1 #203 made no sense, all of this happened pre 1900
2020-05-26 19:33
You want an example of governments abusing a free people who couldn’t defend themselves due to overreaching gun control within the last year? How about Hong Kong?
2020-05-26 20:19
#373
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United States RopzIsCute 
+11111
2020-05-26 21:34
Which is under Chinese control and has been ever since the UK rent deal ran out and they handed it back to China. Are you really saying you expect that the US is gonna be under Chinese control real soon? What is happening in Hong Kong is really sad and wrong, but that you want to use it as an argument for the 2nd amendment i the US just illustrates there is no real arguments for it. But try harder, maybe you can come up with something only make it something that tells why it is okay tens of thousands are killed by guns the US every year.
2020-05-26 22:11
You asked for an example of something governments have done in recent history that was bad and could’ve been prevented had citizens had the right to defend their democracy. Hong Kong is a perfect example. If you want to argue gun control in other regards I’d be glad to. I was just giving an example of what you asked for.
2020-05-26 23:13
Well since this thread is about the 2nd amendment naturally the example needs to be from the US to have any relevance. But lets take up Hong Kong anyway, do you really think China would allow for real democracy there if they had guns, no sir. If anything, then the violence would have worked as the justification to roll in the army so it would have been example of how guns helped nothing and was even counterproductive to maintaining freedom. China would love for the protesters to get really violent, it would just give them an excuse and they can in no way allow Hong Kong to get more freedom - that would just fuel protests in main land China.
2020-05-27 01:40
No way would China have risked the repercussions of an invasion of Hong Kong. Having a people with the means to defend their freedoms would’ve been a sure fire way to expand their freedom at the least and ensure it at the most. Also, Hong Kong is entirely relevant. If we are analyzing the effectiveness of 2a we need to look at the counter factual. One counter factual is Hong Kong. Heavy gun control and low firearm ownership leads to overreaching government takeover.
2020-05-27 04:32
What goes on with China and Hong Kong is in no way relevant to the 2a in the US or are you saying the US is a totalitarian regime disguised as a democracy? Plus if you think that China would shy away from using its military in Hong Kong you are mistaken, if people there take up arms it would be the perfect excuse to roll in the tanks since it would be in defense of the Chinese backed leaders in Hong Kong. China has used their military on students before, if needed they will do so again since they will not be willing to let Hong Kong be a true democracy.
2020-05-27 17:46
Also you have no idea what’s going on in Hong Kong nor the history of the area. UK didn’t have a “rent deal” or anything of the sort. Hong Kong was a British colony, which in 1997 was handed over to China under the condition it would remain self governed in a 1 country 2 systems matter for 50 yrs.
2020-05-26 23:16
I have a pretty good idea of what goes on there and for that matter in main land China. Hong Kong was a colony of the UK and the operative word here is "was" and if you really think the conditions of the hand over is worth much, well then you are certainly more optimistic than most. Those conditions are not worth much with China seeing what Hong Kong is and not linking the picture, hence all the moves chipping away at the freedom of those that live there. Also do not be a condescending ass. Assuming I don't know about Hong Kong is rather arrogant of you since you do not know me.
2020-05-27 01:48
Obviously it’s no longer a uk colony. China was still expected to uphold their end of the agreement. To act as if The handover meant nothing is stupidity at its finest. I assume you don’t have a very good grasp of their situation as you said “ UK rent deal“ which is something that does not exist. If it’s condescending to assume you aren’t aware of what’s going on based on the fact you made up terminology then I guess you’re right
2020-05-27 04:17
#70
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Finland 7ones 
Your free gun policy would work if people were rational, but instead they are driven by momentary emotions. Your gun policy sucks badly, but the problem is much deeper than just that. In America the problem is that there is so much unequality which increases crime. Some people have nothing to lose so they can try illegal stuff. In nordics there is basically no crime compared to USA, everybody has something to lose.
2020-05-26 17:24
#80
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United States RopzIsCute 
The Nordic countries have a different culture and socioeconomic status than the US
2020-05-26 17:28
+1, but a lot of people own guns in scandinavia. Norway is one of the countries with most guns per capita
2020-05-26 17:54
#347
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Finland 7ones 
In Scandinavia there quite a lot guns, but still only 25% of the US guns per capita. Hunting is quite popular in these sparsely populated countries and then we have quite big armies. We Finnish are living next to that big bully and Norwegians are in NATO with endless pockets.
2020-05-26 19:52
ye, norways army is pretty small though. And it keeps getting smaller because of stupid ass politicians
2020-05-27 19:59
I feel like the second amendment should just get removed, it could make sense 200 years ago but nowadays there is just too many retards in this world to trust anybody with a gun
2020-05-26 17:29
#89
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United States RopzIsCute 
I don't trust the government with a monopoly on guns
2020-05-26 17:30
I didn’t understand this response, my point is the government doesn’t control who has guns but nobody in the country could own guns
2020-05-26 17:33
#105
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United States RopzIsCute 
I don't get that either (your response)
2020-05-26 17:33
No guns for anyone, simple
2020-05-26 17:34
#115
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United States RopzIsCute 
Not even the government?
2020-05-26 17:35
No
2020-05-26 17:35
#121
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United States RopzIsCute 
But the military needs to have guns tho
2020-05-26 17:36
I am anti war so I really don’t mind the the military just disband and America never get involved with some oil on the other side of the planet
2020-05-26 17:37
#420
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Bulgaria goatse 
lul
2020-05-27 01:50
It works pretty well in any democracies I can think of, when exactly has state or federal government taken up arms against US citizens (not counting criminals)?
2020-05-26 17:37
#91
World Jeza 
My favourite gun statistic is that although the biggest justification is for self-defense, actually carrying a gun makes you several times more likely to get shot and die lmao just amazing. gonna make the civil war when America tears itself apart even funnier imo, cant wait
2020-05-26 17:31
#259
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North America 007DBR9 
+1 when people see you as a threat they're more likely to shoot you
2020-05-26 18:17
#93
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Then the constitution should be changed. More guns don't make anyone safer.
2020-05-26 17:31
#109
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United States RopzIsCute 
Defensive gun uses occur.
2020-05-26 17:34
#133
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
lol dumbest argument i've heard in my entire life i'm sure if sarin gas was sold to citizens it would also sometimes be used defensively
2020-05-26 17:39
#136
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United States RopzIsCute 
no it wouldn't lmfao
2020-05-26 17:40
#137
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
reported
2020-05-26 17:40
#141
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United States RopzIsCute 
ceh9 flair. A man of culture.
2020-05-26 17:40
#157
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
a gun-toting hillbilly talking about culture lmao
2020-05-26 17:43
#161
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United States RopzIsCute 
I am not a hillbilly lmfaooo
2020-05-26 17:44
#168
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
hahahaah nt 0/8
2020-05-26 17:45
#171
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United States RopzIsCute 
can northern university students be hillbillies?
2020-05-26 17:46
#176
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
ofc, it's a mindset
2020-05-26 17:48
#179
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United States RopzIsCute 
Ok, so liking guns makes me one?
2020-05-26 17:49
#201
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Liking guns has nothing to do with what you said. If you 'like' guns you can go to the range and shoot them for sport. Carrying concealed firearms is for people who think they are at risk of getting shot. And people who think that are the same ones who think of shooting others.
2020-05-26 17:56
#207
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United States RopzIsCute 
believing in little to no gun control makes me one, right? Also, theoretical question- can girls be considered hillbillies
2020-05-26 17:59
#261
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North America 007DBR9 
I feel like people should only have guns for home protection, hidden somewhere in their house, or for sport
2020-05-26 18:18
People with concealed carry licenses are significantly less likely to commit a crime of any sort (especially gun related ones) than the average citizen.
2020-05-26 20:26
Yes, but it is much more likely that a gun will be used for something bad than by some hero. Just consider school shootings for one thing, what it does to children having to know it is a thing, train for it and whatnot - I can just imagine how every parent will be afraid if the phone rings when their kids are at school. Something similar is just unthinkable else where in the World, not only because people have less guns but also because people does not* have hand guns, assault style guns and so on. *The one exception I can think of is Switzerland, there people that have served are to keep their army gun at home as part of a army reserve, this means literally military weapons in people homes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_..
2020-05-26 17:45
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
2020-05-26 17:31
#107
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United States RopzIsCute 
+111111111
2020-05-26 17:33
+11111111111111
2020-05-26 20:26
imagine beating a retard in a fist fight 1on1 then he gets frustrated and comes later with a gun to shoot you, that's how i see it
2020-05-26 17:32
#111
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United States RopzIsCute 
what
2020-05-26 17:35
#383
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Myanmar aligholiz77 
+10000 or some retard whos road raging decides to just shoot you.
2020-05-26 21:58
#102
Estonia pj4 
just ban all the guns and make murder a crime punished by death penalty.
2020-05-26 17:33
#264
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North America 007DBR9 
oh wait
2020-05-26 18:19
#384
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Myanmar aligholiz77 
Or make a law where anyone who has a gun illegally automatically gets a life sentence.
2020-05-26 21:59
#114
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Finland Radar4447 
Guns are a big deal to americans because their ancestors are all european criminals KEKW
2020-05-26 17:35
#158
Snax | 
Europe Bambi_AT 
+1
2020-05-26 17:43
#265
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North America 007DBR9 
+1
2020-05-26 18:19
I support the 2nd amendment, but i absolutely believe there needs to be some sort of clarification. having a blanket "right to bear arms" is so vague and dangerous when you consider how much technology has changed since the 1700's. i served in the military, i've seen what assault rifles were designed to do, and i wholeheartedly believe that civilians should not have those types of weapons. besides the fun of shooting them, which believe me, it's amazing, there's no real use or reason to have them. unless you're killing coyotes or wild boar, you can't really hunt with those cartridges (except .308 / 7.62 NATO in certain states). if an assailant comes to your front door and you happened to have an AR with you to protect yourself (which would be pretty rare and impractical as it is), the bullet would go through them and have enough energy to travel into your neighbors house across the street and potentially injure/kill them. besides it being dangerous, how useful is that? i personally believe that people should be able to own bolt-action hunting rifles in specific calibers, shotguns (pump or break action), and handguns. pistols are small, easily concealable, and capable of firing a lot of rounds in a small period of time, but they're ideal for home defense
2020-05-26 17:38
#133
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United States RopzIsCute 
I just am not comfortable with the government having access to those weapons while i am disarmed
2020-05-26 17:39
lol so what are you gonna do? protect your house with an AR-15 when the big bad government comes to ravage your family in armored vehicles? the hysterical level of fear about the government is staggering...
2020-05-26 17:41
#156
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United States RopzIsCute 
Umm... to enforce tyranny, there have gotta be boots on the ground Whenever there are boots on the ground, firearms are effective. I could pull a Viet Cong or something
2020-05-26 17:43
not a bad bait i will never understand this ridiculously outlandish notion that the US government is going to turn on the public to such a degree that people will start to form unorganized hillbilly militia groups in order to "pRoTeCt tHe PeOpLe" those types of people cause so much embarrassment for the rest of us
2020-05-26 17:52
#195
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United States RopzIsCute 
It has turned on Native Americans in the past (see Wounded Knee) Cops aren't exactly the nicest People can easily form partisan militias (see Viet Cong, Forest Brothers, Ukrainian Insurgent Army)
2020-05-26 17:53
yea bc the US had Abrams tanks, F-22 Raptors, and a modern, insanely sophisticated naval force back in the Wounded Knee days............... either 1.) accept that you're baiting and have a laugh 2.) get your head out of your ass
2020-05-26 17:57
There are already are tons of militias in the US that go unnoticed for some reason.
2020-05-26 19:24
#393
Asuna | 
United States bxteme 
red dawn their shit
2020-05-26 22:44
#448
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Finland ToxicDUD 
the big bad government was unable to beat vietnam that was like the size of texas whomst had less weaponry, imagine the entire us populus rising up
2020-05-27 08:24
lol i love when non-american say stuff like this take a look at the casualty numbers on both sides and then tell me who won and who lost...... things would have been even worse for the Vietnamese people if it wasn't for political backbiting and the civil rights movement
2020-05-28 00:20
#143
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Sweden RaaCCooN 
f**king H*ll No guns.
2020-05-26 17:40
#144
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United States RopzIsCute 
But government can have them, right?
2020-05-26 17:41
#160
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Sweden RaaCCooN 
ofc
2020-05-26 17:44
#162
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United States RopzIsCute 
You trust the government?
2020-05-26 17:44
#166
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Sweden RaaCCooN 
my government, yes
2020-05-26 17:45
#169
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United States RopzIsCute 
Would you trust mine?
2020-05-26 17:45
#170
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Sweden RaaCCooN 
not with ducknold trupet in office
2020-05-26 17:45
#172
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United States RopzIsCute 
Ok so your argument doesn't work now
2020-05-26 17:46
Your government has tanks, bombs etc. Do you think your insignificant pistols can do anything against the government? Lol
2020-05-26 17:51
#200
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United States RopzIsCute 
To enforce tyranny, men need to be on the ground. You can't enforce laws or send me to a labor camp with tanks alone. Firearms can defend me if boots do come on the ground.
2020-05-26 17:55
Tyranny will also have supporters which are normal citizens and have guns Civil war would be on the way
2020-05-26 18:00
#211
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United States RopzIsCute 
Better a civil war than a completely one-sided massacre
2020-05-26 18:00
And what do you think that would happen after the civil war?
2020-05-26 18:11
#245
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United States RopzIsCute 
idk what would happen after the civil war people would die, that's for certain
2020-05-26 18:12
that argument is so shit man guns wont save you in a civil against trained soliders you wont stand a chance to pull your tirgger
2020-05-26 19:49
imagine having the right to carry weapons as the second spot on the list of rights that are most important for you
2020-05-26 17:42
#163
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United States RopzIsCute 
Well...
2020-05-26 17:44
#178
Snax | 
Europe Bambi_AT 
usa...
2020-05-26 17:49
oof...
2020-05-26 18:00
#268
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North America 007DBR9 
it's higher on the list than giving women voting rights XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA
2020-05-26 18:22
#173
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Brazil gabrieldsr23 
The 2nd amendment is from 1791, things change, the world today is completely different. Specially in third world countries where only rich people can buy guns.
2020-05-26 17:46
i think the 2nd Amendment is bullshit itself
2020-05-26 18:00
#214
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United States RopzIsCute 
Ok budget Jerman Why?
2020-05-26 18:00
why do you even want guns and if you need them that much you should aquire a gun license with psychology and knowledge tests
2020-05-26 18:01
#220
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United States RopzIsCute 
I don't trust the government That's mostly why
2020-05-26 18:02
do you want to spray the government down with an AR from walmart or what
2020-05-26 18:02
#239
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United States RopzIsCute 
well yes if they are tyrants
2020-05-26 18:11
I dont think you having an AR will make any difference besides when the government trys to kill you you can maybe take a few with you but thats surely not worth all the mass shootings there are
2020-05-26 18:12
#247
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United States RopzIsCute 
There are millions of gun owners in the US who will resist tyranny. These aren't such long odds.
2020-05-26 18:13
gl shooting on tanks and jets wir your AR hahah
2020-05-26 19:51
#353
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United States RopzIsCute 
gl to the tanks and jets coming into the forest
2020-05-26 20:10
The U.S. government isn't going to carpet bomb its own residential areas and there are a large number of gun owners in the U.S.. Given Waco lasted 51 days and there's a much larger, more widespread community of gun owners willing to do similar to defend other views, it's more than a disincentive against certain federal actions. More importantly, though, we have a high violent crime rate that wouldn't magically drop to levels comparable to the rest of the first world if we banned guns, the police only respond so quickly, and rogue police officers can sometimes be the threat to someone's livelihood. Not to mention the L.A. riots where all the police in the city went to protect Beverly Hills and Hollywood, while some less affluent communities would have been straight-up destroyed if they didn't use their 2nd amendment rights.
2020-05-26 18:53
If we go by earth's history germany is actually budget austria
2020-05-26 23:29
I agree its very outdated
2020-05-26 18:01
I don't think having guns to potentially overthrow an opressive government is worth the insane amount of people killed by them every year. It just doesn't seem important enough to me for people to accept the deaths.
2020-05-26 18:00
The 2nd amendment was made when there was muskets which were one shot. Mostly used to stop intruders from entering your house or to kill animals when hunting. Times have changed and now guns can kill tens of people in an instant. The amendment needs changes and with all these shootings, its clear that many people are not responsible with these guns. Sure there are people who do use them properly and may never shoot a person. But with all these incidents, it makes me question just how much do we really need guns? Also culturally wise guns are apparently "cool". We always see rappers trying to be gangster while carrying guns and the younger generations are misled into thinking that gun are a good thing
2020-05-26 18:04
#237
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United States RopzIsCute 
The 1st amendment was written when there were only quill pens and ink, mostly used to write letters and such. Times have changed now and people can write threads on HLTV. The amendment doesn't need changes because while technology changes, your rights don't.
2020-05-26 18:10
#270
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North America 007DBR9 
saying mean things that hurt your feelings online is completely different from having the power to kill tens of people in a couple seconds. nice argument lmao
2020-05-26 18:25
IKR like what does have pens have to do with guns killing people? The heck is he rambling about lmao Literally acting lik Ben SHapiro. ALways avoiding the questions and trying to make himself look smart.
2020-05-26 21:48
#377
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North America 007DBR9 
+1
2020-05-26 21:49
Rights do change you moron. Remember when slavery was a thing? Did they have rights even though they were human? no. Later on after the Civil War slavery was ended and was abolished. THey received rights. Boom your argument is invalid so sit down.
2020-05-26 21:54
He won’t reply to you because he knows he is retarded and wrong lol, “rights don’t change” lmfao
2020-05-27 02:10
yeah I realize lol
2020-05-27 05:54
The slavery amendment to the constitution was unconstitutional
2020-05-27 06:12
I have looked around on online sources and I found nothing about it being unconstitutional. Care to explain?
2020-05-27 16:13
any amendment to the constitution is unconstitutional
2020-05-28 06:46
The slavery amendment to the constitution was unconstitutional
2020-05-27 06:12
#234
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United Kingdom macrocephaly 
I think guns are great, they are definitely necessary for keeping a government in check and it's a shame so many other countries are giving up their guns and then right after that implementing authoritarian control of speech laws and governments giving themselves more and more power with no way of holding them accountable, people have been arrested in Britain for defending themselves in home invasions. Guns clearly aren't the problem in America. The cultures around some of the areas are. Detroit and down town Chicago are two of the worst cities in America when it comes to shooting, they have extremely high numbers of minority gangs and gang violence and democrats in charge. Where as more republican states seem to have very little gun crime. Also the media basically making every mass shooter a celebrity is part of the problem and psychologists have stated as such but companies like fox and CNN don;t give a shit about that because mass shootings = money for them and the more children that die the better seems to be the way they look at it.
2020-05-26 18:07
#238
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United States RopzIsCute 
Republican policy is as disastrous as Dem policy but still +1
2020-05-26 18:11
#243
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United Kingdom macrocephaly 
Simply not true, which is why Detroit and Chicago are leading in mass shootings and republican states have lower on average amounts.
2020-05-26 18:12
#251
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United States RopzIsCute 
Do not conflate "Democratic" with no guns and "Republican" with guns. Also interesting how Trump passed more gun control than Obama
2020-05-26 18:13
#266
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United Kingdom macrocephaly 
Every gun control measure passed has been completely ineffective and wouldn't have prevented any of the shootings from occurring but comparing presidency policy is pointless, state policy is more effective and more localised so it is easier to implement, a blanket ban on bump stocks when there are thousands already in circulation does nothing a ban on high cap mags does nothing. Because guns aren't the problem. Most of these places where the gun crime is higher are culturally ruined, fatherless households, no role models for these young men so they join gangs which drive out companies and business which means the only way others will get money is if they either leave or join the gang and since a lot of these places are poorer they're not exactly able to leave, the democrat places tried welfare to stop this and it didn't work, because people want jobs not welfare, and kids in a stable marriage tend to be more well... stable and welfare disinsentivizes marriage because you get more money as a single mother. Republicans have promoted a more traditional family values life and working for your money. Also these democrat states like California have way more super prisons that are private so the drug war is more insentivised in order to keep the prisons full.
2020-05-26 18:19
#272
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North America 007DBR9 
idk what I expected from someone like you lmfao 10iq
2020-05-26 18:26
#275
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United Kingdom macrocephaly 
Great input you couldn't argue against my points so you just tried to say haha you're wrong but because I'm not wrong you just have to generally state it and hope that people will just believe you. You're called someone not worth arguing with but for some reason I do feel the need just to point you out, you're pathetic.
2020-05-26 18:28
#278
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North America 007DBR9 
0/8 please stop it's hard to read XAXAXAXAXAXAXA
2020-05-26 18:29
#306
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Russia goodjob 
nice argumentless replies, mate 10/10
2020-05-26 18:57
#378
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North America 007DBR9 
it's called baiting and it worked so well
2020-05-26 21:50
#391
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Russia goodjob 
2020-05-26 22:34
#394
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North America 007DBR9 
baby steps you'll get better :)
2020-05-26 23:09
#401
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Russia goodjob 
well the retard they're talking to on the picture is you :)
2020-05-26 23:23
#402
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North America 007DBR9 
weak bait 3/8
2020-05-26 23:24
"Where as more republican states seem to have very little gun crime" Most gun deaths are in 1. DC democrats 2. Louisiana republican 3. Mississippi republican 4. Maryland democrats 5. Missouri republican 6. South Carolina republican 7. Alaska republican 8. Alabama republican 9. Delaware democrats 10. Nevada democrats 11. Tennessee republican 12. Arkansas republican 13. Georgia competitive 14. oklahoma more republican 15. Illinois democrats
2020-05-26 19:02
municipality would be more accurate and then the reason for the correlation with Democrats would be that black people are way more likely to vote Democrat. New England is pretty much all blue states and crime rates there are pretty low, so
2020-05-26 19:14
Yes it would, it was just because he said that republican states have very little gun crime. As example: The high number of maryland is probably because Baltimore.
2020-05-26 19:17
"the right of the people (citizens) to keep and bear arms (firearms) shall not be infringed." I agree with this. But not only for america, but for the world. America stop attacking Iran, let them have their nuclear bombs!
2020-05-26 18:11
#252
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United States RopzIsCute 
I don't support American foreign policy
2020-05-26 18:13
Good! Go home USA. Also let my muslim brothers have Sharia in USA! Let them suppress woman and let them practice their believes like it is written in the quran! first amendment right! InshAllah!
2020-05-26 18:17
#262
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United States RopzIsCute 
Flag checks out
2020-05-26 18:19
Why? 1st amendment right > 2nd amendment right! You aren't real american if you don't agree!
2020-05-26 18:25
#276
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United States RopzIsCute 
Ok
2020-05-26 18:28
Christians are bad! My muslim brothers are already training to kill infidels in USA and nothing they can do about it because we have first and second amendment right so you guys will have to fight us personally! InsAllah! USA full Muslim 2022!
2020-05-26 18:30
#282
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United States RopzIsCute 
HAHAHHAHA
2020-05-26 18:32
That is wrong reaction! We training hard, USA know but we have 3rd amendment rights so army can't come in or training camps! InshAllah for your guys freemdom, but when we take over USA we won't follow those rules anymore, only rule will be Quran! Be prepared you Christian!
2020-05-26 18:34
#355
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United States RopzIsCute 
im not christian
2020-05-26 20:12
Do you follow the Quran?
2020-05-26 20:18
#372
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United States RopzIsCute 
no
2020-05-26 21:33
You are bad!
2020-05-27 00:36
If you knew anything about Muslims or Islam you would realize that no Muslim is trying to implement Sharia law in any western country except the diehard extremists which is quite a small small minority (Also, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) disliked extremism). Not only that, if you call yourself a Muslim you must obey the law of the land you are in. So a Muslim in the USA must follow the constitution and his state laws.
2020-05-27 05:57
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." first amendment right, so extremist are free to follow Sharia law. If you want the freedom to bear arms you have to give people the freedom to be extremist.
2020-05-27 14:17
its more about the culture
2020-05-26 18:12
I would love to think this is bait xd
2020-05-26 18:14
#263
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United States RopzIsCute 
No, it's not bait, budget Mexico.
2020-05-26 18:19
have fun running around being insecure whenever you leave your gun at home :(
2020-05-26 18:31
#281
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United States RopzIsCute 
imagine not carrying xaxaxa
2020-05-26 18:31
I get all the rights shit and all that, but don't you think that your society is not working as it should If you only feel secure while carrying a gun?
2020-05-26 18:39
#290
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United States RopzIsCute 
idk
2020-05-26 18:39
Imagine having to carry in other to fell safe. Thats not freedom.
2020-05-26 20:18
#371
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United States RopzIsCute 
Freedom isn't having your rights restricted though
2020-05-26 21:33
ban open carry only allow weaker fire arms make it really difficult to obtain them
2020-05-26 18:39
How about just ban everything except shotguns.
2020-05-26 23:32
i dont mind small pistols and shotguns but yes, shotguns are the best choice as a pure home defense scenario
2020-05-27 20:09
What purpose does banning open carry have? It's not protecting anyone, if anything conceal and carry is far more dangerous
2020-05-27 09:21
I do not believe that carrying it around is better, yes you might need it to protect yourself in some cases however carrying a gun may escalate quickly when it could be avoided if you didnt carry a gun I believe having weapon is better for home defense
2020-05-27 18:00
I see the use for pistols and hunting weapons , AR, shotguns and SMG are better for home defense but what do you need machine guns for?
2020-05-26 18:43
SMGs made or altered after 1986 are illegal in the U.S., as are machineguns or any fully automatic firearms made or altered after 1986. If anything, there's more justification for the legalization of fully automatic rifles because SMGs are so easy to conceal and carry.
2020-05-26 19:06
I think the subject of American gun control is extremely interesting. I personally believe that if something is written in an amendment it's not a law meant for ever (because society changes so extremely fast nowadays) I think tighter gun control would result in fewer mass shootings in America. But there is a big problem that is that the problem is so deeply in built that it would take much more further action into gun control than just banning guns. This is a problem because most likely tighter gun control laws would result in hard resistance and possibly cause more problems because people could possibly own illegal weapons after the ban so if someone would make a mass shooting no one could defend them selves. I think that what America would need instead of gun control is a better social-healthcare system where young men would not be left unemployed/left without things to do (has been proven that they single handedly are the most dangerous group in the western democracies(they can often radicalize etc.)) America is so unique with it's gun control problem that it would need two steps 1. better social-healthcare system that wouldn't leave people (especially young men) homeless/unemployed 2. After step one tighter gun control (not banning all the weapons allowing hunting,hobby etc.) but no to open carry. I would really want hear your thoughts guys :)
2020-05-26 18:56
You know... for people that play a game about terrorists blowing up places, you guys are pretty disappointing on this whole gun stuff
2020-05-26 18:59
#312
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Bulgaria goatse 
I think that every gun ban is an infringement of the 2nd Amendment, which says "the right of the people (citizens) to keep and bear arms (firearms) shall not be infringed." i have to admit that makes sense
2020-05-26 19:04
This isn't the whole solution for sure but, don't allow media to give all these crazy fucks their moment of fame. I know the argument is that's an infringement on the rights of media but holy fuck they make massive amounts of profit off of mass shootings and they do that partially by displaying their name, face, and the amount the people they killed. It's like a fucking high score report.
2020-05-26 19:12
#354
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United States RopzIsCute 
I think that we should stop naming mass shooters and start mourning their victims more
2020-05-26 20:11
this is one of the biggest causes of mass shooting at the moment. All you need is a kid with no moral compass, and nothing left to lose
2020-05-27 09:20
basically #2
2020-05-26 19:13
Dude, if you want other people opinion on firearm first give yours. Saying that it should be allowed because the 2nd amendment say so it's not an opinion, its a conclusion.
2020-05-26 20:15
If you ban the guns - you MUST make 100% (or at least 99.99999999%) sure no one gets them except for the entitled people. Because otherwise you ban them only for the people that live by the law, and every hoodlum will get a gun anyway and the others won't be able to defend themselves. I mean, where I live there are tens of uneducated young pricks that do alcohol and drugs and mess with people, ofc they have knives, may be some of them even have guns, and how am I supposed to defend myself against those cocksuckers? On the other hand, if you don't forbid the guns, those fucks will have some themselves, and if I get one too - it will be only about who will pull the trigger first, so I would need to be ready to take my gun and shoot those motherfuckers at every minute, it's not really protecting me, a mugger that wants to rob me may very well just walk like he's a regular guy and when he's close to me he will take his knife or his gun and I won't have time to use mine. Ban or no ban - it has pros and it also has cons as you can see, and if your neighbourhood is filled with junkies and gangs I'd say a gun won't help you, your fucking police that you feed with your taxes should take care of it instead of getting their asses fat, and there should be cameras everywhere in those regions to make sure those criminals will get caught anyway, I'd say it would give me a bigger sense of safety than a gun I carry while every prick also is carrying one so how would my gun help me in any way?..
2020-05-26 21:47
#456
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China FazeIsNoob 
Macau?
2020-05-27 09:09
I wish xD Nah, just some shithole of a country.
2020-06-11 12:08
muricans think that gun ownership and nationalism are the same thing, meanwhile in other countries a gun is a gun
2020-05-26 21:50
+1
2020-05-26 21:54
yeah we are all retarded
2020-05-26 23:34
all fireweapon must be only military guys and police thats it
2020-05-26 22:20
Sounds like a terrible idea.
2020-05-27 09:18
Defend your basic rights Americans or you will end up being sheep.
2020-05-26 23:27
You should feel safe enough not to even need to have a gun or any kind of firearm. The fact that you feel the need for one, says a lot about America.
2020-05-27 00:32
Americans fear everything and everyone which is quite sad
2020-05-27 00:36
True - their excessive gun culture has also fueled that fear for a long time now. The reason they need guns is that everyone has guns and nobody can be trusted.
2020-05-28 09:59
Do I need to hand in all my guns and ammo after the ban is issued? And my 9mm FMJ has been pending since March. When can I get them?
2020-05-27 01:51
#430
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Canada reeeZ75 
The second amendment is an absolutely great thing to have in a nation. People should certainly be able to own firearms as well as protect their family,lives and property with them. Only difference I would add would be a short firearms handling course required before gun purchases. Outright bans are brain-dead unfortunately Cuckanada is going to shit hopefully I can move to America somewhere down the line.
2020-05-27 02:51
Guys let's make killings illegal
2020-05-27 02:53
Brasil had a disarmament government campaign and after this, the criminality raised a lot. Paraguai applied less restrictive gun laws recently and the criminality decreased, even being a poor country.
2020-05-27 03:07
Taking away the guns specifically isn't the problem it's the whole idea behind taking the rights away from the people implementing gun control would seen like its infringing on the American constitution and the American freedom
2020-05-27 06:21
#443
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United States krawfish23 
mass shootings wouldn't be an issue if the country had better health services for those who are hurt inside but banning certain guns is an easier platform for political candidates to run on then helping the mentally ill and rehabilitating people
2020-05-27 06:28
+1
2020-05-27 08:26
Just a look from a guy who grew up in a Finland. I'm a 30year old male, I've done my mandatory military service (12 months). The time I spent in military is the only place I've seen a fire arm. Ok the police carry a pistol, sure I've seen one hanging in the holster (if thats even a word - clearly not native english speaker here)... And yea, I think we went pistol shooting in range or what ever with our schools voluntary PE class.. I think the environtment you grow up in leads you to certain thinking. In my mind only the authorities should be allowed to carry. It's a very tricky matter ofc, but its how I see it. I think it will take generations and generatios to get over the obscure need of owning and holding firearms with you in your daily life. Like I've seen people weirdly obsessed with their guns in documentaries. Wifes carrying guns in their purse etc. And this is a lot peoples "NORMAL" - and changing their way of thinking... Oh boy.. how do you do that? Dont mean to tell people how to live their lifes, this is just how I view the "gun policy"..
2020-05-27 08:43
I think the discussion is irrelevant to what the Constitution says. If we as nation decide that the 2nd Amendment is outdated, then the 2nd amendment argument doesn't really hold any value in my mind. It should be changed. That being said, I'm very conflicted. My gut reaction is pretty stereotypical for Texans. I've grown up around guns, there are at least 6 in my house alone. Many people learn to respect them as the powerful tools they are, in a way many Europeans don't. I'm skeptical of government at the best of times, and outlawing all guns (or even most) is something I don't find acceptable in the slightest, even if it's proven that it would reduce deaths. Further, There's also the slippery slope argument. Any law restricting guns is one step closer to removing them entirely. Obviously an armed populace is an internal stability risk, but I don't know that it's a bad one. But I'm also very aware that there is evidence to suggest that our gun laws are an inherent safety risk. I think the system needs an overhaul, but it shouldn't necessarily be "harder" to get guns. The fact that so many of these clearly ill mass shooters were able to get their hands on guns, totally legally, is blatant failure of the system on multiple fronts. But I imagine it would be incredibly difficult to implement a system that doesn't also have many, many, false alarms.
2020-05-27 09:17
I really don't have a strong opinion but I always wonder why every pro-gun person has the 2nd amendment as an argument. I just don't get why people have over 200 year old rules in so high regard that they can't be changed. And I understand that the amendments are the base of every law in US but it still shouldn't make these amendments holy.
2020-05-27 09:24
the amendments are trash since yall only care abt ur guns and, guns are stupid and made for killing so imo no one should have a gun
2020-05-27 09:28
knives are made for killing, should no one have a knife
2020-05-27 10:16
i think stuff other than for example kitchen knives should be regulated and, its pretty hard to commit a mass stabbing
2020-05-27 10:17
youd think itd be pretty hard to commit a mass stabbing but people go on knife sprees all the time it is really quite shocking
2020-05-27 10:37
give source and, are they that common? no. are they that common in countries like for example Sweden where laws are incredibly strict no. but yea I think knives should be heavily regulated as well bc stuff like this
2020-05-27 10:40
Knives are not made for killing. Though it depends on which kind of knives you refer to. Butter knives are not made to kill. Kitchen knives are not made to kill.
2020-05-27 10:20
Picture this: You are a single mother with 2 children and 2 men break into your home. For the sake of the argument would you rather all (you and the intruders) be equipped with a firearm or knives?
2020-05-28 00:38
#469
shox | 
India prat_pps 
2nd amendment rights is very important. Gun control shouldn't be a thing.
2020-05-27 09:48
The amendments need to be reformed, they are all outdated.
2020-05-27 10:21
#475
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Denmark Notallama 
The US likes to live in the 19th century thinking they're a 1st world country, so obviously the rules and legislations shall not be updated and modernized.. ever.
2020-05-27 10:20
#514
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United States RopzIsCute 
We are a first world country tho
2020-05-27 17:06
First world country with 200+ yo 3rd world country amendments :D
2020-05-27 17:11
#523
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United States RopzIsCute 
ok
2020-05-27 18:03
guns are ok to me if there are heavy heavy background checks, but knowing america and your impatience its impossible to pass a law for those checks. enjoy mass shootings until then
2020-05-27 10:18
I think that gun control should exist but in the licensure form. Where in order to possess a firearm you have to get a firearms license. And I think these should be will issue instead of may issue. By which I mean if someone passes a background check, psych exam and takes training courses, they will be given a license, instead of it being up to a judge to make a decision on a person by person basis.
2020-05-27 10:23
#481
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Sweden Kasidro 
blindly believing in the amandments is nothing different to muslims blindly believing in the words of the quran. The world changes.
2020-05-27 10:52
#488
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Russia armando_o 
look like this burger think in rest of world we have same law with amurica states
2020-05-27 11:18
second amendment was written before 1800 when guns were in a different state as of right now. reload after every shot and it took a while before you could shoot again. it is in desperate need of an upgrade to the current state of firearms. a lot of laws and rights got upgraded to the modern society but this one just keeps getting ignored
2020-05-27 11:19
just check statistics /close
2020-05-27 17:07
Just take look at the Australian gun-control laws after 1996 Port Arthur massacre :)
2020-05-27 17:09
#521
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Sweden GeT_CoRrEcT 
I think that most shootings are done with illegal firearms. However, i don't think that criminals or people with mental disorders should be allowed to carry a gun. Perhaps a taser or a smaller caliber? It's not my country so i don't have a say in the matter just like every euros in this thread.
2020-05-27 18:03
1. 2nd amendment is 200 years old and has no place in a modern society 2. > A gun to defend yourself > Assault rifle ..... choose one (and only one) 3. You can buy a gun when you´re 18, but you can´t drink until you´re 21? 4. Why is background checks a problem? Why is waiting a week or a month to receive a gun a problem? 5. How can anyone say that 30000 gun deaths every year is a price worth paying for gun ownership? 6. Why does gun protagonists flatly refuse to look at and copy the rules from countries, where gun control works, even with a lot of guns around ... like in Switzerland? 7. Why does americans need this crazy symbol of their freedom? And at the same time have 1% of its population in jail. Home of the free - my ass 8. Why does gun supporters claim that everything is to blame for mass shootings ... except access to guns?
2020-05-27 18:02
#526
keev | 
Germany _PH1L 
+1; massacres in schools
2020-05-27 18:04
#524
keev | 
Germany _PH1L 
ofc dailing back on guns gonna be hard but it needs to be done .... just look at the massacres at school in US vs EU we in germany had like 2-3 since 2000 while u have had at least 20 - also gun violance is much of a bigger isue in NA
2020-05-27 18:03
guns kill. total population control also kills. if only there was a middle ground
2020-05-27 18:04
You practise population control by shooting people? You seriously think that abortion is the same as shooting a person? Move to USA and close the door behind you
2020-05-27 18:07
abortion is worse than shooting people and has more causalities as of now, per stats yes.
2020-05-27 18:17
You vegetarian too? Well trolled
2020-05-28 19:21
#531
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United States omEon 
Ultimately, there is no achievable way to even alter the 2nd amendment, due to various SCOTUS decisions and the process of changing the Bill of Rights.
2020-05-27 18:45
Cherish your 2nd amendment.
2020-05-28 00:43
#545
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Finland mattixboi 
yes, it breaks the 2nd amendment. some parts of the amendment are better to be broken ;)
2020-05-28 11:14
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