small firearms = ok
medium + large firearms = ban
open carry = ban
also needs better checks so not every retard can buy a gun
If somebody wants to have an firearm then he will get it anyway no matter if its forbidden or not.
Just votekick mass shooters wtf
Why would the constitution matter
I think it's an important part of your economy.
That said, i'm glad we've banned guns in my country.
The more guns the better, but just in the USA.
kill all americans no more gun crime izi pizi
nothing beats good old good guy with a gun mistaking another good guy with a gun as the active shooter and they have a firefight, entertainment for the whole family.
The right to bear arms means the right to keep your arms and use them for labor it doesn't mean guns.
The 2nd amendment is from a different era and does not belong in modern time, it is from a time where guns was something different ie. harder to handle, fully manual and not something every person including kids could just fire at a whim.
And even more importantly it is from a time where the world was less civilized, in this day in age there is zero chance of anyone attacking the US and despite the differences people in the US have over how their president should be anything like government using arms against the people is very far away.
So I see no arguments for the 2nd and all the deaths by accidents, suicides, criminal acts and law enforcement having to shoot tells very clearly about the problems guns create. And the 2nd is made even worse by stand your ground laws, gun control measures that are just token ones in most states and all the loopholes as well.
Guns don't kill people, but people with easy access to guns sure as hell does.
if you have guns to protect yourself from guns just take guns away from both parties and youre equally safe wtf
Your free gun policy would work if people were rational, but instead they are driven by momentary emotions. Your gun policy sucks badly, but the problem is much deeper than just that. In America the problem is that there is so much unequality which increases crime. Some people have nothing to lose so they can try illegal stuff. In nordics there is basically no crime compared to USA, everybody has something to lose.
I feel like the second amendment should just get removed, it could make sense 200 years ago but nowadays there is just too many retards in this world to trust anybody with a gun
My favourite gun statistic is that although the biggest justification is for self-defense, actually carrying a gun makes you several times more likely to get shot and die lmao
just amazing. gonna make the civil war when America tears itself apart even funnier imo, cant wait
Then the constitution should be changed. More guns don't make anyone safer.
imagine beating a retard in a fist fight 1on1 then he gets frustrated and comes later with a gun to shoot you, that's how i see it
just ban all the guns and make murder a crime punished by death penalty.
Guns are a big deal to americans because their ancestors are all european criminals KEKW
I support the 2nd amendment, but i absolutely believe there needs to be some sort of clarification. having a blanket "right to bear arms" is so vague and dangerous when you consider how much technology has changed since the 1700's.
i served in the military, i've seen what assault rifles were designed to do, and i wholeheartedly believe that civilians should not have those types of weapons. besides the fun of shooting them, which believe me, it's amazing, there's no real use or reason to have them. unless you're killing coyotes or wild boar, you can't really hunt with those cartridges (except .308 / 7.62 NATO in certain states). if an assailant comes to your front door and you happened to have an AR with you to protect yourself (which would be pretty rare and impractical as it is), the bullet would go through them and have enough energy to travel into your neighbors house across the street and potentially injure/kill them. besides it being dangerous, how useful is that?
i personally believe that people should be able to own bolt-action hunting rifles in specific calibers, shotguns (pump or break action), and handguns. pistols are small, easily concealable, and capable of firing a lot of rounds in a small period of time, but they're ideal for home defense
imagine having the right to carry weapons as the second spot on the list of rights that are most important for you
The 2nd amendment is from 1791, things change, the world today is completely different. Specially in third world countries where only rich people can buy guns.
i think the 2nd Amendment is bullshit itself
I don't think having guns to potentially overthrow an opressive government is worth the insane amount of people killed by them every year. It just doesn't seem important enough to me for people to accept the deaths.
The 2nd amendment was made when there was muskets which were one shot. Mostly used to stop intruders from entering your house or to kill animals when hunting.
Times have changed and now guns can kill tens of people in an instant. The amendment needs changes and with all these shootings, its clear that many people are not responsible with these guns.
Sure there are people who do use them properly and may never shoot a person. But with all these incidents, it makes me question just how much do we really need guns?
Also culturally wise guns are apparently "cool". We always see rappers trying to be gangster while carrying guns and the younger generations are misled into thinking that gun are a good thing
I think guns are great, they are definitely necessary for keeping a government in check and it's a shame so many other countries are giving up their guns and then right after that implementing authoritarian control of speech laws and governments giving themselves more and more power with no way of holding them accountable, people have been arrested in Britain for defending themselves in home invasions. Guns clearly aren't the problem in America. The cultures around some of the areas are. Detroit and down town Chicago are two of the worst cities in America when it comes to shooting, they have extremely high numbers of minority gangs and gang violence and democrats in charge. Where as more republican states seem to have very little gun crime. Also the media basically making every mass shooter a celebrity is part of the problem and psychologists have stated as such but companies like fox and CNN don;t give a shit about that because mass shootings = money for them and the more children that die the better seems to be the way they look at it.
"the right of the people (citizens) to keep and bear arms (firearms) shall not be infringed." I agree with this. But not only for america, but for the world. America stop attacking Iran, let them have their nuclear bombs!
its more about the culture
I would love to think this is bait xd
ban open carry
only allow weaker fire arms
make it really difficult to obtain them
I see the use for pistols and hunting weapons , AR, shotguns and SMG are better for home defense but what do you need machine guns for?
I think the subject of American gun control is extremely interesting. I personally believe that if something is written in an amendment it's not a law meant for ever (because society changes so extremely fast nowadays) I think tighter gun control would result in fewer mass shootings in America. But there is a big problem that is that the problem is so deeply in built that it would take much more further action into gun control than just banning guns. This is a problem because most likely tighter gun control laws would result in hard resistance and possibly cause more problems because people could possibly own illegal weapons after the ban so if someone would make a mass shooting no one could defend them selves. I think that what America would need instead of gun control is a better social-healthcare system where young men would not be left unemployed/left without things to do (has been proven that they single handedly are the most dangerous group in the western democracies(they can often radicalize etc.)) America is so unique with it's gun control problem that it would need two steps 1. better social-healthcare system that wouldn't leave people (especially young men) homeless/unemployed 2. After step one tighter gun control (not banning all the weapons allowing hunting,hobby etc.) but no to open carry. I would really want hear your thoughts guys :)
You know... for people that play a game about terrorists blowing up places, you guys are pretty disappointing on this whole gun stuff
I think that every gun ban is an infringement of the 2nd Amendment, which says "the right of the people (citizens) to keep and bear arms (firearms) shall not be infringed."
i have to admit that makes sense
This isn't the whole solution for sure but, don't allow media to give all these crazy fucks their moment of fame. I know the argument is that's an infringement on the rights of media but holy fuck they make massive amounts of profit off of mass shootings and they do that partially by displaying their name, face, and the amount the people they killed. It's like a fucking high score report.
Dude, if you want other people opinion on firearm first give yours. Saying that it should be allowed because the 2nd amendment say so it's not an opinion, its a conclusion.
If you ban the guns - you MUST make 100% (or at least 99.99999999%) sure no one gets them except for the entitled people. Because otherwise you ban them only for the people that live by the law, and every hoodlum will get a gun anyway and the others won't be able to defend themselves.
I mean, where I live there are tens of uneducated young pricks that do alcohol and drugs and mess with people, ofc they have knives, may be some of them even have guns, and how am I supposed to defend myself against those cocksuckers? On the other hand, if you don't forbid the guns, those fucks will have some themselves, and if I get one too - it will be only about who will pull the trigger first, so I would need to be ready to take my gun and shoot those motherfuckers at every minute, it's not really protecting me, a mugger that wants to rob me may very well just walk like he's a regular guy and when he's close to me he will take his knife or his gun and I won't have time to use mine. Ban or no ban - it has pros and it also has cons as you can see, and if your neighbourhood is filled with junkies and gangs I'd say a gun won't help you, your fucking police that you feed with your taxes should take care of it instead of getting their asses fat, and there should be cameras everywhere in those regions to make sure those criminals will get caught anyway, I'd say it would give me a bigger sense of safety than a gun I carry while every prick also is carrying one so how would my gun help me in any way?..
muricans think that gun ownership and nationalism are the same thing, meanwhile in other countries a gun is a gun
all fireweapon must be only military guys and police thats it
Defend your basic rights Americans or you will end up being sheep.
You should feel safe enough not to even need to have a gun or any kind of firearm.
The fact that you feel the need for one, says a lot about America.
Do I need to hand in all my guns and ammo after the ban is issued? And my 9mm FMJ has been pending since March. When can I get them?
The second amendment is an absolutely great thing to have in a nation. People should certainly be able to own firearms as well as protect their family,lives and property with them. Only difference I would add would be a short firearms handling course required before gun purchases. Outright bans are brain-dead unfortunately Cuckanada is going to shit hopefully I can move to America somewhere down the line.
Guys let's make killings illegal
Brasil had a disarmament government campaign and after this, the criminality raised a lot.
Paraguai applied less restrictive gun laws recently and the criminality decreased, even being a poor country.
Taking away the guns specifically isn't the problem it's the whole idea behind taking the rights away from the people implementing gun control would seen like its infringing on the American constitution and the American freedom
mass shootings wouldn't be an issue if the country had better health services for those who are hurt inside
but banning certain guns is an easier platform for political candidates to run on then helping the mentally ill and rehabilitating people
Just a look from a guy who grew up in a Finland. I'm a 30year old male, I've done my mandatory military service (12 months). The time I spent in military is the only place I've seen a fire arm. Ok the police carry a pistol, sure I've seen one hanging in the holster (if thats even a word - clearly not native english speaker here)... And yea, I think we went pistol shooting in range or what ever with our schools voluntary PE class..
I think the environtment you grow up in leads you to certain thinking. In my mind only the authorities should be allowed to carry. It's a very tricky matter ofc, but its how I see it. I think it will take generations and generatios to get over the obscure need of owning and holding firearms with you in your daily life. Like I've seen people weirdly obsessed with their guns in documentaries. Wifes carrying guns in their purse etc. And this is a lot peoples "NORMAL" - and changing their way of thinking... Oh boy.. how do you do that?
Dont mean to tell people how to live their lifes, this is just how I view the "gun policy"..
I think the discussion is irrelevant to what the Constitution says. If we as nation decide that the 2nd Amendment is outdated, then the 2nd amendment argument doesn't really hold any value in my mind. It should be changed.
That being said, I'm very conflicted. My gut reaction is pretty stereotypical for Texans. I've grown up around guns, there are at least 6 in my house alone. Many people learn to respect them as the powerful tools they are, in a way many Europeans don't. I'm skeptical of government at the best of times, and outlawing all guns (or even most) is something I don't find acceptable in the slightest, even if it's proven that it would reduce deaths.
Further, There's also the slippery slope argument. Any law restricting guns is one step closer to removing them entirely. Obviously an armed populace is an internal stability risk, but I don't know that it's a bad one.
But I'm also very aware that there is evidence to suggest that our gun laws are an inherent safety risk. I think the system needs an overhaul, but it shouldn't necessarily be "harder" to get guns. The fact that so many of these clearly ill mass shooters were able to get their hands on guns, totally legally, is blatant failure of the system on multiple fronts. But I imagine it would be incredibly difficult to implement a system that doesn't also have many, many, false alarms.
I really don't have a strong opinion but I always wonder why every pro-gun person has the 2nd amendment as an argument. I just don't get why people have over 200 year old rules in so high regard that they can't be changed. And I understand that the amendments are the base of every law in US but it still shouldn't make these amendments holy.
the amendments are trash since yall only care abt ur guns and, guns are stupid and made for killing so imo no one should have a gun
2nd amendment rights is very important. Gun control shouldn't be a thing.
The amendments need to be reformed, they are all outdated.
guns are ok to me if there are heavy heavy background checks, but knowing america and your impatience its impossible to pass a law for those checks. enjoy mass shootings until then
I think that gun control should exist but in the licensure form. Where in order to possess a firearm you have to get a firearms license. And I think these should be will issue instead of may issue. By which I mean if someone passes a background check, psych exam and takes training courses, they will be given a license, instead of it being up to a judge to make a decision on a person by person basis.
blindly believing in the amandments is nothing different to muslims blindly believing in the words of the quran. The world changes.
look like this burger think in rest of world we have same law with amurica states
second amendment was written before 1800 when guns were in a different state as of right now. reload after every shot and it took a while before you could shoot again. it is in desperate need of an upgrade to the current state of firearms. a lot of laws and rights got upgraded to the modern society but this one just keeps getting ignored
just check statistics
Just take look at the Australian gun-control laws after 1996 Port Arthur massacre :)
I think that most shootings are done with illegal firearms. However, i don't think that criminals or people with mental disorders should be allowed to carry a gun. Perhaps a taser or a smaller caliber?
It's not my country so i don't have a say in the matter just like every euros in this thread.
1. 2nd amendment is 200 years old and has no place in a modern society
2. > A gun to defend yourself
> Assault rifle
..... choose one (and only one)
3. You can buy a gun when you´re 18, but you can´t drink until you´re 21?
4. Why is background checks a problem? Why is waiting a week or a month to receive a gun a problem?
5. How can anyone say that 30000 gun deaths every year is a price worth paying for gun ownership?
6. Why does gun protagonists flatly refuse to look at and copy the rules from countries, where gun control works, even with a lot of guns around ... like in Switzerland?
7. Why does americans need this crazy symbol of their freedom? And at the same time have 1% of its population in jail. Home of the free - my ass
8. Why does gun supporters claim that everything is to blame for mass shootings ... except access to guns?
ofc dailing back on guns gonna be hard but it needs to be done .... just look at the massacres at school in US vs EU we in germany had like 2-3 since 2000 while u have had at least 20 - also gun violance is much of a bigger isue in NA
guns kill. total population control also kills. if only there was a middle ground
Ultimately, there is no achievable way to even alter the 2nd amendment, due to various SCOTUS decisions and the process of changing the Bill of Rights.
Cherish your 2nd amendment.
yes, it breaks the 2nd amendment. some parts of the amendment are better to be broken ;)