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kennyS | 
Sweden Shvetsiya2k 
Cant belive we still do this in 2k20 Things need to happen, same old repetitive stuff in 17 year old game engine lmao First source 2 and a bit of overhaul Second, a new map needs to be rotated in AFTER every major. Winter major: - One map in pool + A new map + Reveal the next map to be removed/rotated after next major So the reveal for next major will also happen, so pros have 6 months to learn new map before revealed, so they can pracc right away and then focus on the current pool before major
2020-05-28 11:54
Topics are hidden when running Sport mode.
2020-05-28 11:56
The biggest CS WTF is the most retarded bugs like the 3rd party files bullshit rn, fix this shit
2020-05-28 11:56
what do you mean?
2020-05-28 12:11
Me and my friend both have a bug where if you play MM, I believe, then go to a custom game it crashes and says you have 3rd party files or something. Pretty annoying
2020-05-28 12:13
+1 always happens
2020-05-28 12:25
2020-05-28 11:56
Serbia chupe 
2020-05-28 11:56
We dont need a new engine, the one we have is perfectly fine. No, thats not a good idea, the map pools needs to be stable otherwise the best team in the world will just be the team the map pool fits that year and not the actually most skilled team.
2020-05-28 11:57
The only fun thing is seeing a map grow with creativity new strats, boosts and tricks It needs to enter a new era, something needs top happen It is at a standstill
2020-05-28 11:59
We see new strats on old maps, it actually take a while for teams to master maps, you keep changing that and it slows that down, compare the way nuke was played in late 2017 to now.
2020-05-28 12:00
So Italy in map pool = italian s1 team wins major?
2020-05-28 12:00
No, thats a just silly. Lets say X team wins a lot on inferno and that gets removed youve fucked their map pool.
2020-05-28 12:01
Russia (^_^) 
Then X team has to improve on another map, and if they are a good team, they can do it.
2020-05-28 12:02
Not really, sometimes you are just good on certain maps, even if you grind on the maps you arent good on you will likely never make them home maps. And what if you add this map, one team likes it, the other teams dont they get an advantage through now work of their own.
2020-05-28 12:03
Russia (^_^) 
With hard work and dedication, they can become good on the maps. Also a team should know a couple maps so if the teams best map got removed, it isn't the end of the world for them.
2020-05-28 12:05
Ok lets say you are astralis, you are the best in the world on Nuke and Inferno, the advantage of that is if a team bans one you pick the other, if one of those get removed your map pool is up in the air, if the new map that comes in doesnt suit you as a team youve been fucked over, its an awful idea.
2020-05-28 12:08
Russia (^_^) 
As I said the best teams should be able to adapt. The new map pool doesn't suit you as a team? 2 options. 1. Make it suit you as a team. 2. Ban it and improve on another map. Also the 'new' maps that get implemented into the map pools doesn't necessarily have to be brand new fresh maps, they could just be reworks of previous maps (better imo).
2020-05-28 12:09
You cant make it suit your team, thats not possible, Jugi can practice all he wants, hell never be as good as device. You can practice a map as much as you want, if it fits another teams players they will be better than you at it, you are introducing and artificial variable. Lets say your best map gets removed and the one that comes in you cant pay well on you could go from a top 5 team to out of the top 10, it weakens you in game and in veto, its not a good idea. Also making your team fit a map will actually often require roster moves , so players will lose jobs just because of the map pool changing because a map doesnt suit them, its an awful idea.
2020-05-28 12:13
Russia (^_^) 
Yet again if a team was in the top 5 and went to top 10 from 1 map getting rotated out the pool, they are not a very good top team. But that's just my opinion on the matter. Do you think that rotating maps is a bad thing and that the map pool should just stay the same forever? Because that to me sounds like it'd get extremely boring to watch unless maps get reworked on more often (slight tweaks and changes).
2020-05-28 12:18
No, thats not how that works. "if a team was in the top 5 and went to top 10 from 1 map getting rotated out the pool, they are not a very good top team." Good teams typically have 2 maps they specialise in, because if one gets banned the other can be picked, they will then had maybe another 2 to 3 maps they can play but they arent home maps, if you remove a home map, the other team that plays them can take them off of any home map and force them onto maps they arent as good at, if the new map doesnt not suit them they have screwed, if the other 2-3 maps also arent home maps for them then what do they do? Lets take it the other way, a team outside the top 10, really like this new maps, they get artificially boosted by this random new map. Then even if you tell them 6 months in advance they have to practice another map, taking away from the time they have to work on current maps, making the, slightly on the current maps. This idea does not work from any standpoint.
2020-05-28 12:21
Imagine you have a top 3 thats really tight, they have mastered the maps they play and they trading event wins and losses, an awesome scenario, we had this in late 2017 but with i think 2 teams. This new map comes in, it fits one team giving them a 3 map pool, it doesnt fit other, that favour the other team its not fair, then lets say this team also lose a home map they will likely go from top 1-2 to outside the top 5, its not good. Also the duration a year isnt long enough, look how long Nuke took to mature.
2020-05-28 12:27
Also lets say you do tell them 6 months before, they then have to prep for a map that isnt out yet, taking away from their prep of the current maps making them worse overall, its an awful idea.
2020-05-28 12:09
"Thats a just silly" - Mario 1 map doesn't change the outcome of the Major, they have 6 months of practice. Took 4 hours to find most exploits every time the changed Vertigo. Also, 2 veto
2020-05-28 12:05
You can find all the little things you want, some maps just suit some teams styles better than other and theres very little you can do about it as a team as the style you play will be the style that fits you the best. One of the things that made Astralis even better was Cache getting removed, they did like Cache.
2020-05-28 12:08
I agree that certain maps suit certain teams. But the best teams should be comfortable on most maps.
2020-05-28 12:15
Then you dont know anything about CS, even the best teams, even era defining teams have maps they are not comfortable on, Astralis had Cache, they got lucky when that got removed, it was actually unfair that the best team had its weakest map removed.
2020-05-28 12:24
kr4sylya | 
United Kingdom Wazerz 
I like the frequent map rotating idea. I also wish each map got reworked more often (like once every 2 years or less) as the maps get boring.
2020-05-28 11:58
Yugoslavia RIP_MY_NIP 
I actually prefer keeping the same maps, because constant rotation only gets you so far. even now, people are still somewhat innovating how to play a map - the avangar smokes on d2 for example, new ways to approach inferno - the karrigan smoke on banana. people come up with new stuff, and to counter that other things are brought in by other people. artificial change will never make up for natural progression of the game imo
2020-05-28 11:59
Sweden GM_Highlander 
What's wrong with Source? It works just fine and does the job. Why fix something that isn't broken? Sure, Source2 sounds great an all but it's not necessary to make CS a better game
2020-05-28 12:05
Ukraine volod1m1r 
+1 he doesn't know what he is talking about
2020-05-28 12:06
Poland Hanse 
cry is free
2020-05-28 12:09
2020-05-28 12:13
you can play rainbow six, they change maps all the time, they have newer engine and the game still sucks dick
2020-05-28 12:15
Russia NorthRussian 
You really think what making new map from 0,fully balanced,unique and competitive is possible in 6 months?No,it's impossible
2020-05-28 12:23
I really disagree, the point of having so many repetitive maps is so that teams can really show what they can do when they approach teams. A team with a deep map pool should always be the best, they can literally choose an opponents weakness. An example would definelty be Astralis with Nuke, they practiced this to the point they had that crazy winstreak because hardly any team played nuke. As always, -Dust2 + cbble.
2020-05-28 12:28
Imagine if half way through 2018 Nuke was removed or Inferno, that would have a huge impact on their era.
2020-05-28 12:32
It would have indeed :)
2020-05-29 00:21
I think Valve should add the ping option but for competitive matches because this is really frustrating to play with muted mates because they're to shy or have no mic.
2020-05-28 12:30
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