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when will people on this site understand that "lurker" is NOT a role in pro cs, not anymore. Players dont play lurker anymore, sure u can lurk some rounds to backfire but its not a real role in a team. Teams dont hire players as the role "we go push a and u come 40 sec later from another pos".. Pls, this "lurker role" dont exist anymore. CSGO is not really played that way anymore..sorry im getting tilted by this "make a team" threads and everyone is setting a "lurker"..
2020-05-29 13:00
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its a good excuse for baiters at least
2020-05-29 13:01
#3
vsm | 
Brazil mafe^ 
gonna do this role forever lul
2020-05-29 13:02
#10
f0rest | 
Norway _SoZe 
+1
2020-05-29 13:06
u r right, the lurker role is dead, its now called baiter :D :D
2020-05-29 13:13
to lurk you must bait team, but do it effectively like get_right used to, not like happy did
2020-05-29 14:28
happy was amazing wtf
2020-05-30 10:45
#2
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Bulgaria ohmeingutness 
ok mr pro igl i know everything
2020-05-29 13:01
+1
2020-05-29 14:24
he does dude... thats real gla1ve
2020-05-30 10:07
No man he pronax
2020-05-30 10:45
Its get rights stat padding role
2020-05-29 13:05
it was back in 2015-2016..
2020-05-29 13:05
Maybe even earlier. A mate of mine always calls the shittiest strats in game. It's always boost me middle and rush a, I will flank them. You rush B I go A alone. and he always comes way too late and loses a 1v3 or 1v2 or sth. Pisses me off nad he doesn't want to accept, that he is just baiting.
2020-05-29 13:08
Lurk on his sister as payback
2020-05-29 14:29
She is 13 buddy. I am 20. Dont know if that shit goes in the NL, but it doesnt here lol Certainly goes in Belgium though
2020-05-29 16:00
age / 2 + 1 is the rule in the netherlands man
2020-05-29 16:50
no way, 20 year old with an 11 year old???
2020-05-29 17:29
he is quite obv kidding. usually the rule is /2 +7.
2020-05-29 18:24
you never know, in nigeria the age of consent is 11, japan is like 13
2020-05-29 19:08
Well yeah, but most of the times it is more complicated than that. For example I will explain the german age of consent to you. Under 14: Sexual exploitation of a minor, potentially rape. 14-16: If the other partner is under 21. 16-18: Only if you don't hold authority over the person that you could exploit, e.g. teacher, policeman, potentially (step)-parents. 18+: Go on a fucking spree, hump everything you fucking want.
2020-05-29 20:31
Yeah I was kidding :p
2020-05-30 01:22
Lol dont play with such friend. Like i did. I rather play solo q than deal with mates dumb shit.
2020-05-29 21:46
#78
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Finland Miroyev 
He's not even a lurker anymore and when he used to be it was actually beneficial
2020-05-29 16:55
Just get good clutch player, he can play lurk
2020-05-29 13:05
gyazo.com/6064decad89e8893108dedeee3bd87.. rate my clutch success 1-10.
2020-05-29 13:09
7. 1v1 is pretty good, but you need start winning some 1v2 rounds, if you won them, probably their economy will be fucked, if not, the 2 people you killed (if they have some gun and low money) will have no money.
2020-05-29 13:12
I wanted to compare myself to proplayer stats and looked at NiKo, he has a 59% success rate in 1v1s, so that is really decent. I don't know how I compare in 1v2,3,4,5 b/c HLTV only lists the failed 1v1s, definitely sth I have to work on. Thank you.
2020-05-29 13:15
#24
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Portugal CrappyJayPee 
How do you see your clutches 0.o? What is that site?
2020-05-29 13:20
csgostats.gg only works for mm though.
2020-05-29 13:21
#28
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Portugal CrappyJayPee 
Only MM? Well ,f*ck xD
2020-05-29 13:22
FaceIt provides you with proepr stats if you pay for premium though, right?
2020-05-29 13:23
#35
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Portugal CrappyJayPee 
Idk, either way I don't wanna pay to see my stats xD
2020-05-29 13:32
is there any possible way enter all of my mm matches in cs go stats like from first match to last match?
2020-05-29 14:36
I haven't used this tool yet and it doesn't seem as detailed, but go try it. youtube.com/watch?v=Y6lb17PpJVI
2020-05-29 16:03
i tried its basic stuff but cool to see ur whole mm stats
2020-05-29 16:32
Just add your recent games on a weekly basic to csgostats and those are the stats that really mater in detail. for the rest the steam api is good enough.
2020-05-29 16:33
i took a break from cs in 2018 i was mg2 i just wanted look at how was my kd and other stuffs looked like
2020-05-29 16:38
where do u find this stat?
2020-05-29 13:37
#26 my guy
2020-05-29 13:39
#6
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Czech Republic Fugabarba 
I didn´t ask
2020-05-29 13:05
#7
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Georgia Megobari 
There is no roles, mens 0(0)0)
2020-05-29 13:05
exept awper and igl ;)
2020-05-29 13:06
#11
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Georgia Megobari 
Yeah, "support" and other bullshit "roles"=excuses for bad players
2020-05-29 13:06
someone with a brain
2020-05-29 13:22
#42
MonkEy | 
Brazil ppgod 
entry fragger aswell
2020-05-29 13:44
Their is roles you are just too stupid to understand it
2020-05-29 13:24
#32
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Georgia Megobari 
Prove me wrong, Jame
2020-05-29 13:24
#12
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Australia CLEGGY 
there are literally no proper roles in cs except maybe awper if u think anything else u either just look too deeply into the game for no reason or see people talking about roles and automatcially assume it's truth get real people
2020-05-29 13:07
that's false, there are roles. they are more subtle but they still are here the roles in 2k20 are this now : awper, any player in attack trio, guy whose watching flank/extremity """"lurk""""
2020-05-29 13:13
#21
INS | 
Australia CLEGGY 
those arent "roles" you're not assigned these "roles" or specialise in them (except for awper) no one lurks every single round, if you are gonna lurk it normally depends on what you and ur team are tryna do that round
2020-05-29 13:16
do you know what are defaults ? thats so stupid have you seen a demo of any pro team for exemple ? on certain maps a player will be playing the same role every round (olof lurk on dust2 for exemple) its just that depending of the map he plays a different role. Of course everybody has a base role its just that pro teams vary so that they can be unpredicatble and not obvious so to summarize, on every map you will see a guy playing the same role most of the time (NBK b anchor on EVERY map or lurking on every map) (gla1ve In attack trio) so saying roles dont exist is stupid
2020-05-29 13:21
#93
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United States boombl4eatyou 
REAL ACILLION POGCHAMP jk mald lions bot for kicking god HUNDEN
2020-05-30 01:29
#95
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Indonesia GuyFromPoland 
So you're IGL + attack trio?
2020-05-30 04:01
Yes.
2020-05-30 10:00
There are roles, but they're not like some people think. Players do not play a singular role, even though there are some they play more often. They "are not" the role. Every player plays support, every player plays entry, every player can lurk (op is insane if he thinks lurking doesn't happen in professional play) and AWP.
2020-05-29 16:58
+1 always situational.
2020-05-30 02:35
basically there's only 2 roles IGL and Entry Fragger with one of the entry fraggers got a scope that one shots anyone
2020-05-29 13:08
wrong, I'm a professional lurker and I lurk every round
2020-05-29 13:11
Let me correct it for you menss you rush mid and die to usp, and 4 of your teammates all die rushing B
2020-05-29 14:24
I have 2 lurkers in team every game on F a C e I t
2020-05-29 13:18
I have 4
2020-05-30 10:10
#23
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Macau Be_Happier 
So what role in their teams on T side do Ropz,NAF,Amanek,Perfecto,Coldzera,Brehze
2020-05-29 13:20
Amanek does nothing no matter what his role is
2020-05-29 13:22
#67
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Europe SEXYALEKSIB 
thank u for game bumas
2020-05-29 14:43
#69
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United Kingdom Hammondo 
None of them are lurks, most are support.
2020-05-29 15:34
#70
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Macau Be_Happier 
ahahahhaah you joking me rn ? Ropz is suuport no Chris? in TL more like Elige Amanek sure Perfecto???? Cold support nice bait Brehze XDD more like Tarik
2020-05-29 15:35
#85
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United Kingdom Hammondo 
Elige is an entry. Tarik plays either entry or support but teams can have multiple support players like astralis does. Cold has always been support, taco even posted about it back in sk.
2020-05-29 21:41
+99999999999 Retard weeb baiters on Faceit
2020-05-29 13:27
#34
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Sweden Lagge15 
None of the roles are still there. The commonly mentioned roles that were played in 2015 (when Thorin coined the roles and definitions) the teams usually played 4 on one site and 1 on the other. Now they play map control with either 2-1-2 or 1-3-1. You got extremities and "support" to them. But if you take a team like Fnatic you see the supports being entries as well, while the actulha extremities (Brollan and Flusha) usually play follow-up.
2020-05-29 13:28
#37
syrsoN | 
Sweden quacke 
Should also be noted, while there is no dedicated lurker role in most teams, in a round one player might still be playing lurk, and in a lot of teams the same player plays that role all the time. Not strictly, of course, but for example olof used to play a lurk-kind of role on FaZe. He had other roles as well, but in the rounds where they had a lurk, it was usually olof.
2020-05-29 13:36
#55
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Sweden Lagge15 
They still played a lead modern approach in their T-sides though, so there you had the lurk role. Now NiKo is kind of a lurker but at the same time he doesn't wanna be too far away from the action.
2020-05-29 14:23
#58
syrsoN | 
Sweden quacke 
Yeah makes sense. I just felt the post was a little bit unclear considering lurking still is a thing, and often the same player does it all the time, just that there are other things that same player does in a round.
2020-05-29 14:25
#62
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah in the old set up, as I said, it is a role. But most top teams have changed the meta setup over the past 2-3years. Or who would you call a lurker on Inferno in Fnatic? You got the dig flair where the old roles are still in play as well, but not the same players have the roles, in the same way. The difference between playing under Fifflaren and not playing under Fifflaren
2020-05-29 14:30
#65
syrsoN | 
Sweden quacke 
I can't actually say that I've seen enough of Fnatic on Inferno as to who plays lurk, but I don't get the feeling they have a designated player. It feels like they have a lot of different setups with a lot of different player rotations. Not all teams have a designated lurker who lurks when needed, I just used FaZe as an example because they've used it previously, first with broky, then olof. With Bymas I'm not too sure. As for DIG I really like their playstyle because it feels like they are taking the old elements of CS and combining it with the newer elements of hallzerk's AWPing. hallzerk reminds me of players like ZywOo, more mobile and dynamic than your old school AWPer who was just posted on mid for an entire game. It's great to look back and see how the meta has changed. A double AWP setup was heresy when I started off in 2015, these days it's basically standard on the CT side.
2020-05-29 14:40
#80
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Sweden Lagge15 
I took Fnatic as an example because they don't play the "classical" version of CSGO. They play the modern version where you rather play on a position on the map, than in a role. If they go B-Flusha is follow-up and Brollan is Lurker. If they go A then Flusha is Lurker and Brollan is follow-up. The two supportive players - Golden and Krimz, will be entry. The lurkers responsibility is to either sell a fake or to cut off rotations. But if you rather play map control or positioning, then each player need to be confident playing any of the traditional roles. Liquid is the most obvious one (when they won all those events in 2019) when they switched roles, not just between maps or rounds, but within the rounds as well. I don't know enough about DIG since they had to play with GuardiaN for a long time which hindered their evolution/development a lot.
2020-05-29 17:21
#88
syrsoN | 
Sweden quacke 
Yeah, I really should analyze Fnatic closer because that's basically the same style that I use when playing.
2020-05-30 00:13
#89
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Sweden Lagge15 
It is the "modern" version. I would guess most tactical teams utilize it. Astralis is another good example, but it is tougher to analyse
2020-05-30 00:23
#90
syrsoN | 
Sweden quacke 
Astralis are the pinnacle of switching up the meta imo, considering they basically made this modern meta.
2020-05-30 01:00
lurker = baiter
2020-05-29 13:34
#39
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Portugal NabasKi 
Well, usually a meta goes full circle, I believe it will reach a certain point where old tactics (including the lurker role) will start working again.
2020-05-29 13:37
#41
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Finland Ilucs 
There's no roles in professional cs except awper. Players these days can do more than just one thing.
2020-05-29 13:39
explain ropz and hunter then
2020-05-29 13:46
#44
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Spain aquacsgo 
damn u really a silver huh
2020-05-29 13:46
the lurker's job is to hold map control and punish enemies pushing for info.
2020-05-29 13:48
There are no roles, except igl and awper of course. There are only players with different skillsets. Some players have good mechanical skills, some have good game sense, some have both, some are good at clutches and so on and so forth, but those aren't roles. The only other thing i would accept as a role is an anchor player. Someone who you can trust to hold one bombsite alone, like ropz on B train e.g. However those are mostly the players who are just better than the others in the team and being stronger is not really a role in the game. It just gives you more opportunities to do things, others can't. Most of the time your "role" will change from round to round and often depends on the spawn you get. Maybe u tried to lurk in banana to catch aggresive cts, while your team pressures the a site. All of a sudden you get two entry frags and now you clear the site, your team goes b and your player in apps will now lurk to catch rotating cts. It all always depends on so many things (your spawn / your equipment / enemeny economy / first kill of the round / etc etc), that you can never define generally set role for every player. This would definitely hinder your team in your options. Every player needs to have the same general skillset in order to perfom the same tasks in a given situation. What if you have the first engagement of the round, because a ct is pushing you. You don't shoot back because you aren't the entry fragger? That's just rediculous. Every player is an entry fragger
2020-05-29 13:53
the role is extremity lurking is a playstyle depending on the situation (for example in a 4v4 on inferno, u have middle, ur team executes on B, the opponents are in 2A 2B, u can flank and kill the guy rotating long) etc. but the real role is extremity, there are 2 extremities on a team, can change between the maps for example both extremities in NaVi are electronic and flamie, both can flank but most of time they go with the trio (Boombl4, s1mple, Perfecto) Perfecto can also take the flank tho
2020-05-29 13:56
you perfectly described "the lurker" with that 4v4 example, why call it something else? it is a role in that specific moment - a situational role if you like, taken by the player in the most favorable position for that role. whether that is usually the same player of the team depends on their tactical approach.
2020-05-29 14:18
yeah but it's "extremity", you can "lurk" but u dont have to every round basically the extremities are controlling their zones, if the CTs tryna push for infos if they're in a numeric disadvantage
2020-05-29 14:21
#48
dycha | 
Poland NIGHT_ 
i mean, teams probably have that one player who usually lurks when its needed, but ye I dont think its even worth calling a role at all.
2020-05-29 13:58
ropz is mad now
2020-05-29 14:02
Lurker is usually a situational role now but it also doesn't have to be. Most roles can overlap anyway and switch depending on the default setup of the team or even the map. Usually, the two most consistent roles are IGL and AWP, but even those overlap a lot (FalleN, Niko, autimatic, etc.) Then again, either one can also take on the Entry role on top of that... so the whole role system is pretty far from being 1 player / 1 role.
2020-05-29 14:09
A lurker doesnt have to come to site 40 sec later. In today's csgo pros usually play lurk by cutting off rotations, like on dust2 waiting in lower tunnel on dust2 when your team is planting A, or waiting in mid/vent on cache when your team is planting on B etc. I see ropz doing these plays all the time
2020-05-29 14:20
+1
2020-05-29 21:43
but i lurk in apps every round and get 2 kills wtf mens((
2020-05-29 14:23
Support is basically lurker on t side
2020-05-29 14:27
#63
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Italy DaDoar 
Nowadays roles dont exist anymore, its more a positions thing, but I think using these old names for roles tends to give people an idea of what those player positions are, Supports nowadays arent real supports anymore, but they are the ones playing positions such as monster on CT side and usually play for flank watch or info in T side, the role we call Lurker nowadays is more of a extremity player like playingt apps on inferno, which doesnt mean catching rotations like in the get-right days, nowadays its more of a utility role where you get info and then reunite with the team unless you can catch a info push and turn the round, but agains its not the "I play separated every round, all round long" that we used to see with Happy and GTR, because nowadays people have gotten better at not over rotating and hard lurks like thta get punished
2020-05-29 14:33
#66
sdy | 
Sweden god_sdy 
Some teams still implement this role in their strats. Mouz is a good example. The lurk role isn't called upon every round, and the goal is to create distractions which could be throwing a false execute or even getting an opening kill so I wouldn't exactly say its a baiter role if it's used correctly. I wouldn't say its a set role but more like a role that can be utilized in a teams strats. But this really isn't any different from roles like entryfragging or support either...It is roles that teams utilizes when they make executes
2020-05-29 14:41
#68
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Croatia cLutcheR7 
Happy did it back with Envy but after Cologne he sucks at it. His tactics is readable mostly the lurking part. GeT_RiGhT somehow was effective with it although he doesn't play that role actively ever since they went shit. I still believe this "role" can be still be helpful to suprise out enemies getting atleast 1-2 kill but sometimes you can also get off guard or can cause to lose the round if not enough time. Also there is different with Lurker and baiting. You literally wait then get the stats you wanted as a baiter. But as a Lurker you can backstab the enemies. Also pushing Apps queitly while your team rushes long can fall off to the same category. You get opening frags or just wait and then die.
2020-05-29 15:00
#77
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Denmark dyinbyran 
Yes its not exactly a big role rn but only some players in every team do it for eg in astralis magsik , glaive and dupreeh never do it , its always device(when he isnt awping) or xyp9x
2020-05-29 16:54
#92
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Spain Kyuuta 
gtr is lurking lately and hes somewhat coming back to his old form
2020-05-30 01:23
It is just an aggressive/playmaker player actually. Who usually do pushs and end lurking if nothing is found.. I agree that the real lurking is not used anymore, but many teams have specific aggressive players.
2020-05-30 07:55
quite often lurker is opposite of aggressive as the main aggression is elsewhere in the map where it's supported with nades & players are in position to trade it doesn't make sense for a lurker to be "making plays" alone except in specific circumstances as you're basically just feeding the enemy team unless you can surprise them which usually in pro level requires teammates to open up the map with their aggression
2020-05-30 10:55
I was thinking more in the CT side.. In mirage for exmple: Rain always sneak in A dark or Fallen rush A halls.. and they end up lurking if nothing is found. For TR its makes little sense I agree.
2020-06-02 20:45
flusha kind of lurks nowadays, but I don't watch nearly enough cs nowadays
2020-05-30 10:02
#99
huNter- | 
Korea Jew2K 
When Vitality signed shox, ALEX literally said they signed him because they needed a lurker didnt he?
2020-05-30 10:03
lurker is a legit role,altough not "permament" roles tend to rotate,and not every strat/call may include all roles yo bitch ass pretending you know shit,but u are just spilling bs
2020-05-30 10:07
0/8
2020-05-30 10:09
It was never a fixed role, lmao. Anyone can lurk anytime, in a pro team all the players should be able to do the role. CSGO commentators are just trash and have never played CS competitively. Except a few exceptions like lurppis and PIMP
2020-05-30 10:14
henryG lvl 9 faceit
2020-05-30 10:44
I guess it takes time to get there (I don't really know since in latinamerica there is no FaceIt) but 'lurker' is not a fixed role, no matter who says it is.
2020-05-30 17:29
Pretty much nobody who talks about roles is saying that the role is "fixed" in a way where it is always played and used like that by a certain player. The dynamic of a team is flexible and everyone knows that, it's just that some players more often take up certain jobs like going for picks and flanks (aka lurker)
2020-06-02 20:49
I usually hear commentators refer to it as a fixed role. For example they called GTR NiP Lurker..
2020-06-03 01:38
Not a role, just another name for "baiting"
2020-06-02 20:50
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