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afkgaming.com/articles/csgo/News/3654-Va.. So Valve did really INVESTIGATE ht eJampi issue. The key word here INVESTIGATE, Taht means they did a research on his account, investigated whoch COMPUTER , INTERNET it was connected to and colncluded the FACT So stfu Jampi supporters. This little finski kid DID cheat on HIS computer and got a VAC BAN. He can sue VALVE even 1001 times, but still this cheating finski kid will not succed. Amen
2020-06-03 19:48
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#2
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Russia Ceo_of_navi 
+1
2020-06-03 19:49
Hell never play a major and Ence did a wrong signing ik.imagekit.io/afkmedia/media/images/676..
2020-06-03 19:50
as if ENCE were making any majors without him lmao
2020-06-03 19:50
they will stay mad dog
2020-06-04 16:49
#254
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
you mean without aleksi
2020-06-05 22:05
No I meant that with the current team (xseven) they arent making any majors. With Jamppi at least they are a better team, but wont make majors so no real loss
2020-06-05 22:06
#257
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
they need more firepower
2020-06-05 22:10
jamppi.....
2020-06-05 22:14
#259
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
they need more firepower tho
2020-06-05 22:23
sergej stepping up more I guess he has slumped hard since aleksi left
2020-06-05 22:25
#261
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
THEY NEED MORE FIREPOWER THOUGH
2020-06-05 22:25
slowi for Aerial
2020-06-05 22:26
#264
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
I cannot stress enough how much more firepower they need
2020-06-05 22:45
- all + NiKo s1mple Zywoo Aleksi rpK (rpk there to get his 1 bo3 where he goes ham + support)
2020-06-05 22:46
#266
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
did you not read what i said? i said more firepower bro. they need more
2020-06-05 22:48
fuck bro give me the answer pls D:
2020-06-05 22:49
#271
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
the answer is there will never be enough firepower bro. they just need more of it
2020-06-05 23:03
very profound thanks bro you have really enlightened me now i will become GM of ence and make them top 1
2020-06-05 23:08
#275
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Sri Lanka Quakez5 
Hes american, the answer is always more Firepower!
2020-06-05 23:18
no man its more than that you need to think deeper all the way down to your heart to fully understand that profound statement.
2020-06-05 23:22
#278
Magisk | 
United States JeyyR 
if you dont understand the joke of ence needing more firepower then you dont belong on this site
2020-06-05 23:57
-aleksi -rpk +elige +magisk/ropz
2020-06-05 22:51
slump hard since krieg nerf you mean.
2020-06-07 06:36
majors in 2020 are not what they used to be. most of the other tournaments are as big as majors or even bigger so it rly doesnt matter. yeah its cool to be in major and all, but its not the end of the world even if he cant participate in them. there are enough big tournaments for them to play other than majors.
2020-06-03 19:52
thats true. But Jampi did cheat and I don't think anyone will respect him for that
2020-06-03 19:53
#16
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Germany Neckarstadion 
The majority of the community is on his side
2020-06-03 19:54
who support him directly?
2020-06-03 19:55
#20
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Germany Neckarstadion 
Countless csgo fans, myself included. Why would I care if he cheated when he was a kid? He managed to move to the absolute highest level without cheats and he is exciting to watch. Why wouldn't I support him
2020-06-03 19:57
Idk He really reminds me of one guy called pessila or persilla from Sweden while he was dominating EU esea and was almost signed ina professional team. But suddenly got banned from esea. Or may be Emilio
2020-06-03 19:59
90% of FaceIt pro legaue players wanted jamppi to play and they even voted for it
2020-06-03 20:15
Do you respect s1mple?
2020-06-04 00:41
Yes he admitted, he has strong personality and also a hard working man
2020-06-04 10:29
Strong personality? What does it have to do with this?
2020-06-04 10:54
That makes at least me respect him for that. How should I believe and respect a kid that cannot even admut that he tried a cheat when its 100% clear he did. Mb he can lie another time as well? Who knows. This jampi kid deserve no respect
2020-06-04 15:21
Idk if thats 80iq or 90iq thinking but idc. Its Jamppi btw not jampii
2020-06-04 16:38
Who the f cares how his nickname is written lol Hell never attend at the major anyway
2020-06-04 16:45
Do you really think that someone listens to your arguments if you can't even write the kids name correctly? Have fun with your pointless life!
2020-06-04 16:54
Flair checks out. But that doesnt help Joumpiss. Hell never attend at the major lmao
2020-06-04 20:13
ok home constructor. how do you want respect if you don't show it in the first place?
2020-06-05 11:10
#241
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Finland jakem0n 
+1
2020-06-05 11:40
#234
LeX | 
Turkmenistan Homo_Deus 
Once cheater, always cheater.
2020-06-05 11:25
In 99damage stream chat nobody support him for real.
2020-06-05 09:09
#21
loli | 
Japan Peine 
S1mple did cheat too, but ruskie love him
2020-06-03 19:58
S1mple cheated in 1.6 when he was 9, never OFFICIAL game never matchmaking, never MIRC game, but tested out vs his friend No vac bans
2020-06-03 20:01
#29
loli | 
Japan Peine 
"9" LUL He cheated don't try finding him excuses
2020-06-03 20:03
1.6 when he was 9 he tried. AND HE ADMITED it Did this Jampi beta guy do? Thid little finski madafaka cannot even admit the truth lol
2020-06-03 20:05
#41
loli | 
Japan Peine 
S1mple 22 years hltv.org/player/7998/s1mple ESL Ban in 2014 liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Banned_play.. 22-6 = 16 He was 16yo not 9
2020-06-03 20:10
thats a ban evasion for cheating on ESL acc from cs 1.6 when he was a kid
2020-06-03 20:12
#50
loli | 
Japan Peine 
Please learn how to read He got banned in 2014 for cheating and later in 2016 for ban evasion
2020-06-03 20:14
Well. WHere did he cheat in 2014????????? Name me where. ThatS a ban EVASIOn for cheating in 1.6 on esl :P BTW in 2014 there were no esl wire shit for csgo also on esl sites He literally has not a single acc that is banned lol
2020-06-03 20:16
You rekted japanese beta samurai
2020-06-03 20:35
#295
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Malaysia Amerka! 
You rekted japanese beta samurai
2020-06-07 07:09
Jamppi propably wasnt much older...and s1mples ban was a esl Ban i believe.... Dont try defend s1mple when shitting on jammpi...shit on both or defend both but what ur doing is kinda pathetic
2020-06-03 20:11
S1mple was a kid in a different game you little degenerate :D axax
2020-06-03 20:12
So he still cheated in the same franchise...
2020-06-03 20:14
Btw cant take u serious if u use axaxaxaxaxa...
2020-06-03 20:15
ABut even in 1.6 cheat, s1mple admited like a REAL MAN. Not a coward :D Jampi will never admit. That human bomp will never admit like a real man LOL
2020-06-03 20:25
Maybe he never cheated himself ...why should he admit, it would ruin his carreer...
2020-06-03 22:41
#198
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Denmark JKTP 
At this point it's clear it's over, the best thing he can do is admit his mistake, advicate against cheating and pray volvo will have mercy
2020-06-04 17:07
#177
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Yugoslavia RIP_MY_NIP 
"I just killed a guy, but look, I admitted it. See? I did nothing wrong."
2020-06-04 10:46
Killing a man is 7 years in prison, with good behavior being a first time its 3,5 years. So cheating as 14 year old is in a sense worse than killing a man, since you have lifetime ban eventhough you were not even adult which means you are not even responsible for your actions in same way. Valves rules are pretty moronic slightly put.
2020-06-05 09:08
He cheated in CS Go actually, it happened in 2013 and he was ESL wire banned shortly after winning a 1v1 invitational LAN tournament against playerrs like NBK and Scream in their primes. I'm too lazy to post it just google "s1mple didn't cheat in 1.6" there is and HLTV and reddit post about it with the steam id that was cheat banned by ESL wire and it doesn't have 1.6 on the account, only CS Go no chance it was a CS 1.6 ban.
2020-06-07 06:41
#37
sh1ro | 
Russia R3YBAH 
I guess u're coming up with 2 different games here so it doesn't make any sense
2020-06-03 20:09
s1mple cheated in csgo not sure what you are talking about it is just that the esl anti cheat caught him, and not vac, and esl didn't give him a permaban
2020-06-03 22:13
literally no one in the pro scene disrespects him because of his VAC. he is liked in the FPL by all the top players (s1mple, niko, jw etc.). it doesn't mean others won't like him if you don't like him.
2020-06-03 20:11
#220
dRiim | 
Finland dRiim 
no one cars
2020-06-05 09:10
#263
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Finland t0ki 
Who the fuck cares hes still a god
2020-06-05 22:30
Orgs love the sticker money though
2020-06-04 16:56
yes? you think ence org didn't know about jamppi's situation before they signed him? you guys keep talking like major is the only relevant tournament, but the truth is that there are many more important tournaments to play. + they can still play majors with xseven. if you didn't know they will be playing the major (and its qualifiers) with xseven.
2020-06-04 17:00
hello mad fan of navi , only navi can lose too zis shit soo i think its not jampy problem its retardple and all navi
2020-06-03 19:53
I’d love to see the extent of valves “investigation” I’m sure they said we investigated source: trust me bro and threw thats shit at him a huge slap in the face. Fuck valve they don’t talk to anyone about the decisions they make and they don’t listen to the pros and don’t want to it’s retarded
2020-06-03 20:12
Dude. The really did. Just imagin HOW many people has sued Valve. Then Jampi has literally 100 chance against them now if they DID not investigate
2020-06-03 20:13
We will see they will have to show the extent of their investigation in court and the if they lied he can sue for slander too
2020-06-03 20:15
automated message from valve is proof nice
2020-06-03 19:50
Its not lot
2020-06-03 19:51
He cheated when he was 13-14 years old. I dont think he should be punished for something he did as a child
2020-06-03 19:56
#22
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Brunei cyLoL 
-1
2020-06-03 19:58
why -1?
2020-06-03 22:02
#200
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Brunei cyLoL 
Cuz he cheated it doesn’t matter what age he was he shouldn’t be allowed to play major
2020-06-05 03:53
it kinda does matter, kids make dumb mistakes
2020-06-05 09:04
#225
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Brunei cyLoL 
Yes and he will learn to not make a mistake like this again now, if they let him play he will do stuff like this again saying I can get away with it.
2020-06-05 11:03
#232
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
You can't put yourself in his position at all lol. Do you think people should stay prison forever because they ''will learn to not make a mistake like this again''?
2020-06-05 11:22
#236
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Brunei cyLoL 
No I don’t but if their sentence is for life yes stay for life, his sentence is a life ban he should accept this and move on.
2020-06-05 11:26
#237
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
Ok if someone gets life sentence from burglary for example do you think it's justified? Just because it's in the rules doesn't mean its proper punishment. Do you really get your morals from the rules and the law?
2020-06-05 11:32
#239
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Brunei cyLoL 
Not taking about that his punishment is justified he broke more than one rule , he cheated and he shared accounts. So yes his lifetime ban is justified.
2020-06-05 11:39
#240
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Brunei cyLoL 
Maybe he will learn that cheating doesn’t prosper.
2020-06-05 11:40
#24
zehN | 
Finland NtFizzy 
yeah well, thats your opinion, and has nothing to do with valve and their rules.
2020-06-03 19:59
flag doesnt check out
2020-06-03 20:08
#39
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African Union csarmani 
i mean he is just stating the fact
2020-06-03 20:09
Still very surprising, Finns tend to be overly emotional about this.
2020-06-03 21:56
#233
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
''Finns'' it's usually the vocal minority of finns
2020-06-05 11:24
Lest these 13 years old kids then mb kill. Hmm they are kids arent they? He did it when he was a kid, no punish
2020-06-03 20:02
You can literally murder someone in certain countries and not go to jail forever but even if he did cheat he doesn’t get a second chance? You have no empathy if you seriously believe that
2020-06-03 20:13
Well. I do not hAVE any empathy for cheaters. Since 2007 I never evedn TRIED a cheat on own server. Even in 1.6
2020-06-03 20:14
Wow put yourself on a pedestal when we’re talking about a mistake he MAY have committed as a kid fuck are you talking about
2020-06-03 20:16
NahI do not believe that kid. This little kid is a such a beta guy, such a coward that he even CANNOT admit that he tried a cheat. How can I have sympathy for this kind of human? All I feel or think while thinkin of Jampi is a huge disrespect and know what? I am right
2020-06-03 20:19
1. Your 100% sure he cheated already fucking retarded 2. No ones perfect but you seem to be in your own world where you never make mistakes and your perfect and you can criticize everyone else for mistakes they make Worst baiter on hltv /closed
2020-06-03 20:25
axax men))) DOnt me mad I really have own pricipes and if Jampi will admit that he cheated (and I am 99% sure) he did. Then Ill respect him for that and I am pretty sure other pros will do as well
2020-06-03 20:27
#133
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Finland BlackMatter 
So u tried a cheat at some point?
2020-06-03 22:07
Never. Only GTA cheat
2020-06-03 22:43
#235
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Afghanistan NICE_BAITMAN 
Imagine comparing killing to cheating in a videogame HAHAHAHHAHA and ofc its ruski saying this
2020-06-05 11:25
what does the age matter? when i was 13-14 i didnt cheat...
2020-06-03 20:20
and 99% of other players didnt. cheating is bad and everyone knows it. it tells a lot about your character.
2020-06-03 20:23
+1
2020-06-03 20:25
#201
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Brunei cyLoL 
+1
2020-06-05 05:05
+1
2020-06-05 23:03
#280
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Denmark Muamelele 
why are we acting like hes cheatin in pro games, hes cheating against a bunch of randos in for fun servers, who gives a fuck if someone is cheatin in community servers with their friends, its not that serious
2020-06-06 00:22
+1
2020-06-03 20:34
#115
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Finland Kujis 
Ah yes if i murder someone as an minor it should not matter when i am older, very wise words my friend.
2020-06-03 21:53
if you murder someone as minor, you wont get a life-long punishment
2020-06-03 22:09
#144
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Finland Kujis 
Still a murderer, just like jamppi will always be a cheater.
2020-06-03 22:11
yeah but you will get a few years in jail and eventually get out, but jampi is life-long banned from csgo. Also if you think cheating on a online game is the equivalent of murdering someone, you are retarded
2020-06-03 22:12
#151
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Finland Kujis 
Never said it is equivalent you retard. It is Valves game and they have the rights to punish cheaters however they want to.
2020-06-03 22:15
#281
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Denmark Muamelele 
doesnt mean the punishment is fair
2020-06-06 00:23
#284
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Finland Kujis 
Im pretty sure they decide what is fair and what is not.
2020-06-06 16:10
#286
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Denmark Muamelele 
no, they decide wat the punishment will be, what is 'fair' is more an opinion that anyone can hold
2020-06-06 21:47
#287
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Finland Kujis 
Everything is an opinion if you think about it.
2020-06-07 01:35
#288
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Denmark Muamelele 
yes
2020-06-07 06:20
Only retarded people use cheats even if they 10 yo
2020-06-03 21:57
all 10ys are retard
2020-06-03 22:10
#19
gxx- | 
Belgium ZxTox 
stfu no one cares about your opinion.
2020-06-03 19:57
nobody cares about yours either
2020-06-03 20:07
#65
gxx- | 
Belgium ZxTox 
didn't ask
2020-06-03 20:19
#27
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Brazil Maujubudo 
Hie Nevil
2020-06-03 20:01
So Valve did really INVESTIGATE ht eJampi issue. The key word here INVESTIGATE, Taht means they did a research on his account, investigated whoch COMPUTER , INTERNET it was connected to and colncluded the FACT So stfu Jampi supporters. This little finski kid DID cheat on HIS computer and got a VAC BAN. He can sue VALVE even 1001 times, but still this cheating finski kid will not succed. Amen
2020-06-03 20:05
#32
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Brazil babzkL 
best of luck 2 u, cya kid 😎 -GabeN
2020-06-03 20:06
#33
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Brazil sakaaa 
In my opinion Valve should create scenarios where those kind of situations (Jammpi, v$m) could be handled by lifting the ban and forcing the player to upload demo/proof of every official match for the rest of his pro life. Valve is not wrong, it was clear to everyone that cheating resulted in life long ban, but we do have to consider that those offenses were made when 13-14, when people usually have no defined concept of longterm consequences. They should, but understandable if not. To go even further, 13-14 should'nt even be allowed to play the game, but that's another matter. Call it a life long probation. We have this kind of treatment in BR for small offenders and usually works quite well - people are constantly beeing overwatched and are easily caught if doing it again, but most ends up going straight knowing that all eyes are on them.
2020-06-03 20:07
#38
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Brazil sakaaa 
While reading what I stated I realized that I do not agree with this part: - To go even further, 13-14 should'nt even be allowed to play the game, but that's another matter. I take it back.
2020-06-03 20:09
#34
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Poland SebL 
I don't think he will ever get un-banned.
2020-06-03 20:07
He will the day valve lets pros give recommendations on how to make the game better
2020-06-03 20:14
#61
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Poland SebL 
I don't think pros would like to unban all the banned players. Maybe those who cheated at the age <15, but we don't know what age did Jamppi cheat.
2020-06-03 20:16
They would definitely recommend it they were asked if they should be unbanned and most of them said yes. But in general this game would be so much better if valve listened to someone other than the 4 developers on how to improve the game
2020-06-03 20:19
#69
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Poland SebL 
I agree about that valve should listen to pro players.
2020-06-03 20:21
#40
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Brazil moonski 
massive chad move by gaben....
2020-06-03 20:09
#46
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Finland Jodecast 
English 404 And btw the account has ONE single mm game played and its the one "cheated game" that exists, one game and clean ever since, so did jamppi really make a account, play one game and decide fuck this and change account, who the fuck does that?
2020-06-03 20:12
8/8 extent of valves “investigation” valve are a ton of hypocritical fucks they are so lucky they hit on csgo and this game is one of the best because the way they treat it is a fucking disgrace and they should be ashamed of itself for failing to understand the untapped potential of this game that will never be reached because of there own money grubbing ideas adding skins and shit to make bank but leave the game like shit
2020-06-03 20:21
are u high? untapped potential? :D its one of the most played games ever and they made millions of it. they know the game is good as it is so why make changes
2020-06-03 20:40
They made millions off of it. And still treated like the hated little brother of Dota
2020-06-03 22:11
its not hated. you are writing on a csgo based website so i guess they won ;)
2020-06-03 22:11
Bla bla bla flair check out. Name as well. You are well known russphobe fin :D I am pretty sure Valve will run all over Jampi in that ssue thing Jampi did . He should just admit what he did and may bein future, Valve will forgive him But I guess thats a fin thing to be a coward and do not admit a truth about himself
2020-06-03 20:22
No response autistic baited nice your a fucking idiot /closed
2020-06-03 20:22
Are you mad at me? :D
2020-06-03 20:23
#82
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Finland Jodecast 
One event in a year is max what he is going to not be able to attend, considering all the prestitigous events he cant attend like cologne, katowice, starladder etc its not a huge loss, and image if he becomes a great player in 1-2y, goes out and wins a cologne for example, everyone will hate on valve S1mple was caught cheating as well and he is the best player in the world atm, but you cry over jamppi lmao And dude, sorry If I dont like the oversized shithole and dictatorship next to my country
2020-06-03 20:27
Well. I do not like how fins look. I think your people are ugly, but I never said that before now. Sry S1mple cheated inb 1.6 and admited it Jampi can admit that he tried a cheat and even that move will gain him respect among the people
2020-06-03 20:30
#92
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Finland Jodecast 
A russian calls finns ugly lmao
2020-06-03 20:34
Russians are okey compared to fins. Especially girls <3
2020-06-03 20:36
#96
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Finland Jodecast 
HAHAHAHAHAHA you are trying to bait so hard its actully funny And wtf is wrong with your english, please attend your classes
2020-06-03 20:37
Well TRhat is not a bait. Ill tell you a secret. Every bait contains a little truth in it
2020-06-03 20:40
finnish girls > cows > whales > car crash moose accidents > ruSki girls
2020-06-05 22:58
Ruski girls are way better than Fins, Fins look like they have down syndrome.
2020-06-07 06:53
s1mple esl cheating ban is in global offensive
2020-06-03 21:19
Why cry so late after the release of this email?
2020-06-03 20:14
If Valve does not present the hard evidence they have against Jamppi, the fact that they said they investigated him means nothing. Also even if he cheated, I still think he should be unbanned. Context matters, he did not cheat in officials like KQLY or forsaken.
2020-06-03 20:15
This. What Jamppi did is no worse than what s1mple did. Even if he actually cheated with that account himself, he was underage and it was not in a tournament match as far as we know. Valve really needs to present the evidence either to the players union (his peers), a judge or the public. An internal investigation with no evidence is absolutely meaningless.
2020-06-03 20:32
lol forsaken what a legend
2020-06-03 21:58
Valve have to prove nothing. Jamppi is the one that has to deliver evidence. That are the facts. Valve made clear that they give also a fuck about who cheated they say "your acc your responsibility" and that is an hard but also fair concept
2020-06-05 08:57
#66
Brazil FLXG 
FREE V$M
2020-06-03 20:19
#203
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Brunei cyLoL 
No
2020-06-05 05:15
The mail was sent in response to a query sent by Elias himself questioning his eligibility to play in the Majors. (before lawsuit for obvious reasons.) and why are you so angry. i understand you are young and confused but try to find some inner calm.
2020-06-03 20:20
#75
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Finland 7ones 
It doesn't matter if he actually cheated or not. The price he has to pay is unfair.
2020-06-03 20:24
completely unfair and valve doesnt give a fk =D
2020-06-03 21:20
#118
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Finland Kujis 
It's fair :).
2020-06-03 21:55
ence is such a retarded org. with the - aleksib move they already ruined their reputation and on top of that they signed a cheater.
2020-06-03 20:25
You have to respect someone that doesn't know how to arguee with logic and yet chose to argue. You have to respect someone that doesn't know how to write in proper english and yet choose to write. But for christ's sake you have to respect someone that can't do both and yet chose to do. Congrats poor and not very educated mad lad!
2020-06-03 20:25
at the end the dumbest here is you since you choose to even comment on this one :D
2020-06-03 20:28
I don't think so
2020-06-03 20:29
#85
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United Kingdom rationale 
Let me get this straight for all the idiots who insist that cheating is FOREVER. People actually murder others and commit other hideous crimes, serve time and get out forgiven but little kids who use cheats and don't harm a single soul are punished for life? This is not just ridiculous, this is just stupid. Valve you're stupid.
2020-06-03 20:28
how is that stupid? and how the fuck can you compare cheating with murder? he's banned for playing some events in a videogame, he wasn't sent to jail for that. you just wanted Valve to tell him Ok dude we forget u this time pls dont do it again what example would that be for other players? "if he cheated and got away i will too" you are the only idiot here (and the ones with the same opinion as you)
2020-06-03 20:35
#100
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United Kingdom rationale 
> "if he cheated and got away i will too" Again, you seem to be exceptionally stupid. Valve didn't say "This kid is banned for 3-5-10 years" - they banned him FOR LIFE for a petty NOT_EVEN_A_CRIME. Your nickname perfectly represents who you really are.
2020-06-03 21:06
+1
2020-06-03 21:20
and it's a good decision. cheaters have to be banned for life ;). be mad about it but it's the truth
2020-06-03 21:41
#108
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United Kingdom rationale 
I'm mad? I don't even play CSGO, lad. It's you who's mad, because you love Valve so much you are ready to suck Gabe's dick. FOR LIFE.
2020-06-03 21:48
and by that you want to say that u don't care or what? if u don't, why you make Valve stupid? or how it is relevant if you play cs or not XD
2020-06-03 21:49
#113
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United Kingdom rationale 
They are stupid because they believe they are above everyone else, including common fooking sense. Yeah, and you're lacking it as well. Are you a muslim? I bet you are.
2020-06-03 21:51
that is their policy. it's neither correct or wrong, maybe if it was other company they would have ban him for 3 years or 5 or 10 or permanently. it's their decision and you can't blame them when they have proof he cheated i'm not muslim and it shouldn't even matter. beyond being stupid you are racist too. cya
2020-06-03 21:59
#132
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United Kingdom rationale 
> it's their decision and you can't blame them when they have proof he cheated So, even if this decision is largely wrong and over the top you're still supporting it because you love Valve and would absolutely love to suck Gabe's dick? Gotcha! Even in real life professional sports sportsmen who are caught cheating (taking performance-enhancing drugs) are not punished for life.
2020-06-03 22:08
if your names is supposed to mean "rational" it doesn't check out. its their choice to ban him for however much they want its my choice to agree for him being permanently banned, and not because of valve because i don't have any reason to like them xd
2020-06-03 22:07
#141
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United Kingdom rationale 
> its my choice to agree for him being permanently banned This is not a choice, it's a belief and it's ugly because once you give up on common sense and logic, you become irrational and dangerous to all other individuals. Common sense dictates their ban is unwarranted and extremely severe. My nickname is fine. Yours is as well. Both represent our PoVs perfectly.
2020-06-03 22:11
ok so what about students that cheat at their exams and if they get caught they got expelled from that uni? they should have another chance as well, right? well as far as i know you won't be part of that uni anymore in ur life
2020-06-03 22:16
#156
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United Kingdom rationale 
> and if they get caught they got expelled from that uni? As far as I know no one usually gets expelled. In most cases such students are given a second chance but with a lot more oversight. I tell it as a person who's graduated from the uni and who's witnessed this firsthand. No one has even been expelled from any of the local universities (we have over seven of them) for cheating at exams.
2020-06-03 22:21
the rules are: if you cheat you get expelled. if they have mercy on you and they dont respect their own rules it its another story the rules for cheating for valve are that he gets perma banned, if they want to respect them its their choice
2020-06-03 22:22
#161
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United Kingdom rationale 
So, you're out of arguments and you're back to "It's Valve's business, so I'm OK with that". I remember something similar happening in Germany in 1941 when they started murdering the Jews and thousands of German officers gassed the poor folks including children. I guess you're OK with that as well, because "the party knows better", "Hitler knows better". Somehow you don't even begin to question Valve's motives and actions which are anticompetitive and even antihuman. Which makes you worse than a muslim because you place one man's decision over pretty much everything in life.
2020-06-03 22:29
what arguments? i've already stated that he deserves to be banned if he cheated lol i dont have anything to add. your example doesn't make sense. maybe they are wrong banning him for life, but i think its fair. i don't have this opinion just because valve decided it. just as you state that nazi killing jews was wrong (which it was) i can state that what valve does is correct. its wrong from ur pov, correct from mine if his decision of cheating and not being able to play in majors means his entire life its not my problem lmao. he cheated and got banned, get over it, there are many other things in life that matter. by what you say he is ruined for life from that decision xd
2020-06-03 22:34
#166
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United Kingdom rationale 
I rest my case. You're defending someone else's decision even if it's evil. Just like the Germans participated in and supported ... Holocaust during WW2.
2020-06-03 22:34
if you count valve's decision to not unban a player that has a vac ban on his account as evil it's your choice and nothing else brollan was 15 yrs old in godsent and he wasn't "stupid" because of his age and he didnt cheat.
2020-06-03 22:38
lmao u stole candy from a shop when u were 13 and u cant never enter a shop again in ur entire life
2020-06-03 21:56
all online games are based around one thing: being against cheating. if he was curious how cheats work or wanted to have fun its his decision, he should have known the risks xd cheaters don't deserve second chances
2020-06-03 21:59
lol do u understand how big difference that would have been to his life if he would be unbanned? he lost 100k in 5 months. thats more than double what u earn in 2 years. if valve suspect that a REAL PRO cheated and got vac banned, they should show rock solid evidence and show it to public
2020-06-03 22:01
why would i care about his money lmao? so you see that i say i'm against cheating and u want me to feel bad for him for losing 100k? and valve already said they investigated and that he was the one in control for that vac ban
2020-06-03 22:02
read it again, their investigate was they found a vac banned account under his name, this would be easily solved if they found that match and find ip addresses
2020-06-03 22:04
and you think they would tell him that they have proof of him being in control when they don't really have? if he sues them and valve don't have proof he will win, but i really doubt it. and i dont think valve has any reason to keep him banned for no reason if they know he didn't cheat
2020-06-03 22:06
ITS FUCKIN VALVE. do u know how much it would hurt their ego when they say that jamppi didnt actually cheat. the last people who trust valve anti-cheat loses their trust into it and that means they need to make new ac and release source 2
2020-06-03 22:07
oh so you are one of the ppl that believe he didn't actually cheat? i thought this convo was about him being permanently banned but should be forgiven because he was at a young age lol, not doubting the fact that he actually cheated.
2020-06-03 22:10
"and i dont think valve has any reason to keep him banned for no reason if they know he didn't cheat" i refered to his
2020-06-03 22:11
if he really DIDN'T cheat, maybe this could be a possibility. but even if vac can be bad, it doesn't ban you that easily for nothing. so i really doubt he didn't cheat
2020-06-03 22:13
yeah but who cars, the game has broken eu laws so ez win for jamppi
2020-06-03 22:16
most pros cheat even now, if they dont get caught its another story. some of them make millions from playing a video game unfairly, thing that jamppi could have done too these days if he wasn't banned. so i have no regrets for those who cheat
2020-06-03 22:18
me neither, but being lifetime banned for mistake what he made 13yo is unreasonable
2020-06-03 22:19
For valve to say that, its enough that Jamppi created the account. 100% they did not investigate it further. (They will be forced to do so soon tho) Account that you create is your responsibility for eternity according to steam tos. But no one has ever said you'll get permanently banned from valve events for violating their tos. Which would be pretty retarded. So they kinda have to figure it out if it was Jamppi who used the account for cheating or if someone else was using it. Even if he did use it, its absolutely retarded to ban a kid for life for cheating in casual. I'd not be surprised at all if it's actually found illegal by the court. Cheating in competition is a whole different scenario.
2020-06-03 22:22
if they prove that he didn't cheat fairplay to him and he should get unbanned. valve created the rules, if they wanna perma ban someone who caught cheating, its their choice to ban him for life and no one can blame them. their game their rules. i wouldn't care that much if he cheated and still being allowed to play as there are many pros right now that are cheating, but if i have to choose i'd rather not unban him
2020-06-03 22:25
At a point when something has become the main income for thousands of people it's not that simple anymore. Valve can't have this kind of dictatorship when it concerns this much people and money.
2020-06-03 22:30
Cheater get no real life consequences. Also it isn't a lifetime ban cuz they only not allowed to play valve's TO Valve use their house right and with that you can ban people their whole life. That also works in real life this way. Your comparing is bullshit
2020-06-05 09:00
#244
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United Kingdom rationale 
Even in real sports athletes rarely if ever are permabanned (aside from egregious cheaters like Lance Armstrong but then he cheated seven fooking times). Your arguments are absolute bull crap.
2020-06-05 15:46
Read again or shut up you don't even answer to my comment you only repeat your bullshit As I said athles face real consequences with money loss and pay sponsorship money back. if esports player do the same I am fine with the 2-4 ban. And as I said is valve use their house right. So why compare it with murdering when there a law exist that valve use for real.
2020-06-05 17:17
#246
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United Kingdom rationale 
" there a law exist that valve use for real." Speak English next time. Also, if I understand you correctly there's no law. There's a asinine Gabe's decision. You're basically defending the only individual on Earth how you place above everyone else, even common sense and REAL LIFE LAWS.
2020-06-05 17:17
It is English. Maybe your London sucks. House right is backed up by law. Otherwise you wouldn't have house right
2020-06-05 17:18
#248
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United Kingdom rationale 
Nah, it's sublime. Anyways, since you're out of arguments, simply fook off.
2020-06-05 17:18
I won this very easy.
2020-06-05 17:20
#250
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United Kingdom rationale 
"I won this very easy". Still speaking German. Yeah, you won ... oh wait, last time you lost. WW2, remember? Anyways, I'm done with retards. Keep talking to yourself.
2020-06-05 17:23
jampilivesmatter
2020-06-03 20:32
#95
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Poland Amirek 
Jamppi fanboys - stop defending a cheater. Why would you let him play at majors if it is confirmed that HE cheated? Doesn't matter how old was he. It's your own choice to cheat or to not - and you should be responsible for your actions. If you say "He was 13 at the time! he was just a kid, kids are stupid sometimes" I can tell you that I am myself a 13 year old and cheating is fucking disguisting. He even might still cheat. Also, if you want to unban him, then unban everyone who cheated, be fair. Ps: s1mple cheated too, no respect for him
2020-06-03 20:38
expected opinion from 13 y/o
2020-06-03 21:21
expected opinion from 13 y/o
2020-06-03 21:54
Lmao, your comment just proves a point, 13 year olds are fucking stupid and lack life perspective. I got a VAC ban in 1.6 10 years ago as a kid. I also did some shoplifting as a kid. Would I do it now? No. Mr. 13 yearold, whats your take on the fact that dopers (same as cheating basically) in real sports get something like 1-2 years competition ban? They know 100% what they are doing and they're adults in most cases. Jamppi was a kid and he still already served 6 years.
2020-06-03 22:11
#160
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Poland Amirek 
I just have 0 tolerance for cheaters, doesn't matter at what age are they
2020-06-03 22:28
All I can say is your opinion on this case will be different in 10 years.
2020-06-03 22:31
#99
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Netherlands Titanos 
Am I the only one that doesn't get why people hate on Jammpi for "He doesn't admit he cheated". Nobody knows for sure what happened. Maybe he didn't cheat. Maybe he did. Maybe it's a pride issue. But that's not a reason to limit a pro's potential for shit that happened at the age of 13-14. People change.
2020-06-03 20:50
+1. Atleast theres someone else with common sense in hltv.
2020-06-03 22:04
#173
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Netherlands Titanos 
+1, much love
2020-06-04 00:23
"Nobody knows for sure what happened" valve definitely knows what do you mean lol
2020-06-05 11:09
#251
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Netherlands Titanos 
They know somebody hacked. It still isn't sure wether Jammpi did or one of his friends like he claims. Either way, the rest still stands, nitpicker.
2020-06-05 18:58
#101
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Germany theo_cs 
u english is so bad, u dont even get the point why he got banned hahaha He got banned cuz he sold his old acc and u actually think he cheat hahahhahaa U SO LOST
2020-06-03 21:09
#106
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Finland OGx 
ht eJampi issue.
2020-06-03 21:29
this is news to anyone? its obvious that kids a cheater. don't unban cheaters. even if it means ban s1mple, well ban him too.
2020-06-03 21:49
why u so mad? u never did anything illegal when u were 13yo lmao
2020-06-03 21:54
i did, but i also faced the consequences of it. that being said, if you're 13 its not too hard of a concept to grasp: don't cheat i'm not the smartest guy in the universe or anywhere close, but that's easy for me to understand.
2020-06-03 22:08
i dont believe the consequences are affecting ur life atm?
2020-06-03 22:09
no, but I never cheated or anything.
2020-06-03 23:03
lol from that i can make a notice u keep cheating worse than stealing candy from a real shop
2020-06-04 16:56
#206
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Brunei cyLoL 
Yes candy can be remade the matches he cheated in cannot and he ruined ppl day probably and is pepelaughing about it at home do not unban
2020-06-05 05:21
If you get caught stealing at candy shop you could also get a life time ban for that shop
2020-06-05 09:03
#112
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Myanmar Stop_baiting 
that message is from october 2019 :DDD shit bait is shit
2020-06-03 21:50
100% they DID NOT investigate which computer and internet was used. They just looked up who CREATED the account in question and thats it.
2020-06-03 22:02
#205
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Brunei cyLoL 
Oh you sure about that bud, gaben is my papa and he said jamppi did it
2020-06-05 05:19
Obviously. That might aswell have been some automated answer. If they put any effort on it which they didnt, they would elaborate a bit more in the message.
2020-06-05 13:24
#253
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Brunei cyLoL 
They don’t have to elaborate on anything it wouldn’t do any good for them, it might even hurt their lawsuit with jamppi by leaking info about it.
2020-06-05 22:04
First of all they could avoid it as a whole. Seems like they have to do some investigating now. Not surprised if they lost it.
2020-06-06 09:35
#285
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Brunei cyLoL 
Avoid it by letting him play the major and showing him that he could break tos and vac rules and still be okay ?
2020-06-06 16:27
Double post thanks to lags
2020-06-05 13:25
man lets imagine he did cheating! ffs valve u banned forsaken for 5 years cuz of cheating in lan tournament and this kid cheated like in public servers for fucking fun! so retarded valve so damn retard its not fair gaben fat pig
2020-06-03 22:11
#168
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United Kingdom craZy_y0 
forsaken got VAC banned about a year after so he isn't allowed at majors ever. The five year ban was from ESIC which means he's banned from playing in ESL, DreamHack and BLAST events most notably, there's a couple of other TOs but they're mainly domestic league organizers.
2020-06-03 22:39
reported for name
2020-06-05 19:01
how can your english be this bad
2020-06-03 23:06
#175
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Bulgaria goshyy 
Ok for real tho I am a big s1mple fan, I support that guy since he was signed by Liquid I personally think that Jamppi should not be punished for cheating when he was 13/14 years old.. After all he was just a kid and we all make mistakes, in sports people that cheat get like 2 years ban but in esports people that cheat when they were young get banned forever, its just not fair, I personally think that they should receive a maximum of 5 years ban (yes its a lot but I said maximum, if the ban was long time ago then ban should be less!)
2020-06-04 00:45
#179
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Estonia Sn4pzhat 
+1
2020-06-04 10:48
+1, im maybe biased but imo thats only bad for valve if they miss one of their best talents maybe to another game.
2020-06-05 09:05
I am fine with 2 years bans if the player face real life consequences. Real athletes do so beside their bans. But that doesn't happens and valve do the right thing. Cuz in this way only stupid people cheat.
2020-06-05 09:06
#178
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Estonia Sn4pzhat 
you must be dumb to read that out of this article.
2020-06-04 10:48
Whos jampi? Old news, whats the fuzz?
2020-06-04 10:51
Old news
2020-06-04 10:52
Cheaters should not be given a second chance, end of discussion. Not just in regular sports, or esports, or in relationships. NO SECOND CHANCES EVERYWHERE. Cheating is one's way of admitting that he/she has no respect, no honor, no sportsmanship. The fun thing is that there is a poll after the OP's linked article, that 54% of the people voted that jamppi's ban should be lifted. I guess they are all legit hahaha! Alsothere is a YT video where pros being interviewed on camera saying that cheaters should be given a second chance. Real pros agree to that, even if they could lose money from a hacking opponent. But you know what... Honor among thieves right?
2020-06-04 12:24
Pretty rare to see lifetime bans in regular sports... JJust shows that esports are so inferior
2020-06-04 16:50
#202
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Finland Jodecast 
Yeah cheating in mm, what a crime dude
2020-06-05 05:12
#186
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Nepal baral25 
why trust Indian site
2020-06-04 15:23
#189
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Ukraine YUR4S 
who is jampi?
2020-06-04 16:47
#204
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Brunei cyLoL 
Just some cheater who wants to play major so ppl cry and say freejampii
2020-06-05 05:18
#207
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Ukraine YUR4S 
i dont know who is jampi i know only jamppi
2020-06-05 08:49
#224
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Brunei cyLoL 
Sorry I’m bad at typing English words it’s not my 1st or second language
2020-06-05 11:01
Random site nobody has ever heard of and 0 proof this was actually email from Valve
2020-06-04 16:49
#197
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United States RopzIsCute 
You're an idiot
2020-06-04 17:01
Good never lift his ban :) totally deserved i can only imagine his stupid face smiling while aimbotting.
2020-06-05 09:07
MonkeyWhusperer likes men and bbc inside him :) also he likes children 😾
2020-06-05 09:12
+1
2020-06-05 09:10
#222
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Finland Homeless775 
Wtf really??🤐
2020-06-05 09:14
yes big gay
2020-06-05 09:22
#216
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Finland oopee71 
Useless thread and link since it is not a proper source.
2020-06-05 09:08
pronax_3_major_jamppi_0_major
2020-06-05 09:08
He cheated, deserved. Idgaf about who it is. Cheater scum.
2020-06-05 11:04
#227
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Turkey DebbSoray 
Sorry but stop justifying cheaters. No matter how young he was, he cheated. That's it. I've been playing this game more than 10 years and i musr admit i'm bad. However i never think think of cheating. So no one can defend this kid. Valve does a good job
2020-06-05 11:07
The fact he tries to hide the fact he cheated makes me dislike him even more :) he's a creepy finnish shut in cheater
2020-06-05 11:10
#231
Jamppi | 
Finland Owava 
Who is Jampi?
2020-06-05 11:10
Even if he did cheat, so what? Cheating in a random MM game at 14yo shouldn't result in permanent ban.
2020-06-05 11:35
#256
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Germany Enlay 
who cares, cheatin at 12 yo shouldnt ruin yourcareer
2020-06-05 22:08
#289
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Brunei cyLoL 
0/8 obvious German cheater
2020-06-07 06:33
1. Still doesn't mean that it was him. I shared a PC with my brothers for years, we had like 3 different steam accounts, same internet, this honestly means nothing. 2. Cheating shouldn't result in a permanent ban. What sport bans people permanently from competition if they're caught doping or bribing referees or whatever? I don't know of many. Would a sport EVER be taken seriously if they started banning rookies if they find out that they cheated in a little league game? Doesn't that sound a bit absurd to you? Worst case scenario, he cheated in some mm match, at like 14, in a game that means nothing, and ruined a few people's game. Fine, shitty move, maybe it even warrants a 5 year ban, but I don't think anyone should be perm banned for something like that.
2020-06-05 22:55
#274
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Austria SplasJ 
holy shit there are so many finish guys crying in this thread, who cars about jamppi
2020-06-05 23:13
300IQ move from ENCE signing someone who cannot playin at majors but they know that they will never attend at majors again. 5HEAD ENCE
2020-06-05 23:21
+1
2020-06-06 09:54
Thought about criminal liability restrictions in different countries. Cases are banned on few EU countries atleast. Finland's criminal liability is 15 years, and technically under 15 year old people have "Insanity defense" on their side, so they wont be punished. This case is most likely against the constitution/laws in Finland. Was talking about cases, because countries have different laws for gambling etc.
2020-06-06 00:11
Valve said in 2014 if you get caught cheating you're done so I don't see what is the problem here? You could be the best player in the world, if you get VAC ban your entire career is over valve doesn't give 2 shits about your status, follow the rules.
2020-06-07 06:55
#294
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Finland KieZuZ 
Well good thing that Majors are becoming outdated tier2 event anyway so it really doesnt matter.
2020-06-07 07:06
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