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Thorin hit new low point
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France HLTV_NATIONAL_GUARD 
2020-06-03 22:01
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Not really wrong Cousin buff with hunter cousin as star is easy major
2020-06-03 22:03
Yeah not wrong, nobody said that any astralis player was better than Niko but saying that Astralis players are overrated is a bit too much
2020-06-03 22:07
#30
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United States jack4000 
They are overrated as individual players.
2020-06-03 22:16
Who ?
2020-06-03 22:17
#38
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United States jack4000 
If people think the Astralis players are individually better than the Liquid players then you know they are very overrated.
2020-06-03 22:21
liquid players hahahahaha, one of them were relevant in the SG era and thats about it
2020-06-04 12:08
#159
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United States jack4000 
like Magisk (budget EliGE)?
2020-06-04 16:00
#60
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Other T3rry_0 
Seriously including stewie?
2020-06-04 12:16
Stew and nitro (not sure bout stewies peak though) >device, magisk, mb dupreeh?
2020-06-04 12:18
why is Liquid so shit then if their players are so good individually lol. Next to Elige everyone of them is pure average these days
2020-06-04 12:38
And why is Astralis shit rn? They are relying on individual skill
2020-06-04 12:40
because 2 of 5 members are gone and someone who never did igl shit before is igl now and 2 bots joined the team. which team would still perform good at this point
2020-06-04 12:48
THEY FUCKING RELY ON THE INDIVIDUAL SKILL, YOU SCUMBAG. CAN YOU SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL SKILL AND TEAMWORK?
2020-06-04 12:51
every team relies on individual skill AND teamwork, thats why pure solo players like simple or niko will never win a major
2020-06-04 12:52
Basically what I'm saying Astralis before this propoganda mostly relied on teamwork and it hid how actually good the players are But now, they are FaZe (2017) or Liquid (2019) wannabe who rely on their individuals only And now it exposes the fact that Astralis players are not so good
2020-06-04 12:54
dupreeh is getting old so firepower he has at that age is really solid while magisk is suffering from the igl effect. device plays too safe
2020-06-04 15:15
#133
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Netherlands EJVN 
yeah, banner checks out, because i honestly don't know why would anyone think Liquid is skill wise better than Astralis. it's not 2018 anymore, we don't really need to overrate stewie and twistzz.
2020-06-04 13:33
#180
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Europe Weslleyy5 
Liquid are the most skilled roster ever, Astralis are second. The majority of people say that. Even pro players say that when Liquid were winning everything it was the most dominant team they had ever played against in terms of hitting every shot, winning clutches and entrying without troubles. Astralis teamwork, synergy and tactics make them seem much more skilled then they are(I am not saying they are not skilled, they definitely are).
2020-06-04 21:47
what is this garbage
2020-06-05 00:28
dupreeh is the danish scream dev1ce is a god magisk is a lobster tom
2020-06-04 12:25
so you're telling me saying the truth is a bit too much? wow then you are probably living a delusional life
2020-06-04 13:30
#179
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Europe Weslleyy5 
He literally said as individuals, he isn't saying that Astralis are overated as a team, everyone knows they are not. He is saying as individuals they are not as good as their synergy, teamwork and strats make them seen. Maybe you are the dumb one being unable to interpret what he means :)
2020-06-04 21:42
#187
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United States JeyyR 
I do believe that HLTV rankings said some astralis players were better than niko
2020-06-04 22:02
with every cousin niko grows 10x stronger
2020-06-04 15:33
#2
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Germany GermanEmpire 
When did he start hating astralis so much wtf he was always praising them a few years ago
2020-06-03 22:03
maybe lose lot of money. who know.
2020-06-03 22:03
the tweet can be taken a bit out of context on the stream he said that astralis players are top players but not players that carry he says that the hing taht made astralis so good was their structure
2020-06-03 22:05
#18
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Norway FubarIno 
But that is what his tweet says as well tho, he says that people have to understand that they don have a Niko, S1mple or Zywoo. Bu they have the best structure and teamwork in the world by far.
2020-06-03 22:08
After blast tournaments. He basically shittalk astralis on a daily basis, but doesn't call out blast anymore because he works for them now.
2020-06-03 22:08
He doesn't call out Blast anymore because the used car salesman Nikolaj Nyholm parted ways with Blast and the format improved massively
2020-06-04 12:37
+1
2020-06-04 15:34
+1
2020-06-05 01:45
When Astralis were invited to be part of the Flashpoint league, which he is the league's creative director, and they were leading him to think they would sign to participate on the Flashpoint, and they said no and stayed on Esl or Eleague, something like this.
2020-06-03 22:10
Thorin is mad because Astralis joined ESL Pro League and ditched Flashpoint in the process.
2020-06-03 22:13
He's mainly mad in the Astralis org, not the players. Most of his bashing has been toward the org, especially with the flashpoint drama and the true story behind Xyp and Glaive trying to bench themselves
2020-06-04 12:19
You are either newfag or not informed , astralis org are the players
2020-06-04 20:04
Calling someone newfag or not informed and then saying astralis is player owned xaxaxaxa The shares which the Astralis players own are so small that they have no saying in anything, the supposed "player owned" org model got exposed long ago man
2020-06-04 21:47
They still get a say in team actions unlike other pros in orgs
2020-06-04 21:48
OK mr Astralis Manager
2020-06-04 21:59
thats the point, he was praising astralis, as a team. he didnt praise glav1e , not device, not dupreeh, not xyp, not magisk , he praised A S T R A L I S can you understand the differences?
2020-06-04 13:31
he doesn't hate astralis he just hates the management and the owner, maybe his instant criticism is a bit over the top doe cause they're going through a lot of change right now
2020-06-04 15:36
#162
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Spain SPQR_CAESAR 
When they didn't sign for Flashpoint
2020-06-04 16:02
#186
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Greece CMi_ 
remember when he was jerking liquid with both hands back when they won the grand slam? pretty sure he hated Them after they started winning liquid again
2020-06-04 22:00
someone got to paid. im for sure.
2020-06-03 22:03
Noted. Thorin very relevant in 2k20.
2020-06-03 22:04
I mean, the team has stand-in, not practice and played few matches together, is this guy wanting so bad for attention, since he sucks as person and noone cares about his shit comments?
2020-06-03 22:07
No, people who know what's up will listen to him. Be prepared to hate the astralis org in the coming months
2020-06-04 13:09
#157
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France Snabe_ 
plastic fan spoted
2020-06-04 15:56
I can be a fan of the players while realizing the org does some fucked up shit, same with the TSM fiasco from last month. I still pray I'm wrong but there is enough evidence to call the orgs ethics into question
2020-06-05 00:20
I dont care actually, dead game and shit 14yo fanbase. I stopped enjoy this game long time ago.
2020-06-04 21:38
So if you don't enjoy the game and don't care... Why are you starting shit on the forums
2020-06-05 00:24
Improving text skills.
2020-06-05 00:26
Understandable have a nice day
2020-06-05 00:36
looking for the lie
2020-06-03 22:04
Accurate af
2020-06-03 22:04
He is right. What's wrong in saying the truth. He is a journalist after all. He is being unbiased and did not let his judgement be clouded just because it was his favourite team. Just because you hate him doesn't mean you can complain about every single thing he does, you virgin.
2020-06-03 22:06
What's true ?
2020-06-03 22:13
Astralis were better as a team than as individuals. Niko is more individually talented.
2020-06-03 22:21
Yeah everybody knows that. But that doesn't make them overrated
2020-06-03 22:23
#54
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Finland tonyi 
INDIVIDUALLY
2020-06-04 12:11
individually device is slightly overrated but only fangays compare him to simple and zywoo magisk = elige but < electronic dupreeh is still a good entry fragger and xyp clutches but I think they're too used to gla1ve strats. I hope magisk doesn't lose his fragging power while he's forced to igl
2020-06-04 12:21
but device could not replaced in astralis unlike all others.
2020-06-04 12:28
true. tbh all of them are irreplaceable. that's why they're so good as a team. Each person is so good at a different thing that they're almost perfect when comboned
2020-06-04 13:26
he is a self proclaimed journalist and unbiased lmfao are you kidding me, this guy who suddenly ranted about ESL for the entirety of the EPL / flashpoint league, just cause he was in the pocket of a competing league, the guy is as biased as it gets, which is why several pros made fun of him. Just like when he tried to call out fnatic about bringing flusha back which ended in him blocking JW on twitter cause he was raging so hard
2020-06-04 12:11
So does that make what he said less true? I'm not a hater but it is true. Some teams are better than its individuals. If you want to take it as an insult, sure. But it's it objectively wrong? No, not at all. No matter who says it.
2020-06-06 14:58
I'm not talking about takes like some teams are better than its individuals, im talking about him insinuating stuff about Flushas situation when he rejoined Fnatic which led to JW calling out Thorin saying he didnt expect him to understand anything CS related which led to Thorin blocking him. Or when he rage quit a podcast with Destiny cause he got so triggered about the Polish discussion where Thorin looked like an absolute moron. Or perhaps about all the times where he got super triggered in a discussion and then became insanely personal like when he told sirscoots to fuck off for saying they shouldnt have held the Flashpoint cast in person but online instead or when he told the IEM / ESL / DH guy to fuck off cause he disagreed with his take. The guy isnt "unbiased" just cause he's a journalist, he has very personal issues with a lot of people and his take on anything relating to them will always be extremely biased which he have shown in several cases
2020-06-06 16:34
#10
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United States joke_cs 
He is right tho
2020-06-03 22:06
#11
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Denmark Xipingu 
This guy is about as consistent as pigeon shit on Trafalgar Square. I don't even know where to put his information anymore, maybe in some kind of a limbo because he changes opinions as I change underwear. + points to anyone who can guess where that first part is from.
2020-06-03 22:06
When did his opinion change?
2020-06-04 13:23
#175
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Denmark Xipingu 
To me, it seemed like an Astralis burn. If there is context, I didn't see it. But it's not long ago he praised them. They are not that bad individually, problem is, they do not seem motivated. Now we've learned Gla1ve and Xyp9x haven't been (gla1ve on sick leave even). Some players he has praised once has gone in the same direction too sometimes, been following him for a long time (for some reason, might not have been the best choice ever), where they are suddenly overrated.
2020-06-04 20:45
I feel like thorin has always called the org itself into question. He's always been a fan of the players
2020-06-05 00:22
#197
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Denmark Xipingu 
In that case it would be true atm, I have no idea what Kasper Hvidt (the CEO) is doing atm but as far as I am concerned about Jugi and es3tag, none of the players actually wanted that so naturally they mark their concerns with taking leaves. I know Gla1ve's is a sick leave, buuuut...
2020-06-05 01:26
Correct me if I am mistaken, Kasper is the CEO of rfrsh, which is no longer associated with the Astralis group, led by Nikolaj Nyholm(who is the scumbag)
2020-06-05 01:31
#204
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Denmark Xipingu 
Ah yeah true. I lost that part in translation somewhere, idk. Regardless, definitely a scumbag that Nikolaj. Perhaps a bit too stupid to run Astralis.
2020-06-05 19:25
#12
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Europe Vallon3 
Almost like.... CSGO is a team-based game? This guy became a full retard.
2020-06-03 22:06
are you okay lmao? no shit it is but the point stand that alone the AST players are nothing unlike when the full team is there
2020-06-03 22:08
#19
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Europe Vallon3 
So what? It's a team-based game, not fucking Mortal Kombat. What he's saying is completely irrelevant to anything.
2020-06-03 22:10
That's not true, a large amount of people legit think that astralis players are more mechanically skilled than they really are. A very very large amount of players really do think that they have 5 of the top 15-20 players in the world
2020-06-04 13:26
#166
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Europe Vallon3 
They *did* have 5 top 20 players, 2018, and in 2019 only gla1ve was out of the top 20 (his position was either 21 or 23), which is more than compensated for him being the GOAT IGL and a good fragger. Who fucking cares about mechanical aim or whatever, when that is only ONE aspect of what makes a player good, lmaoo. You people seriously need to finally get this.
2020-06-04 16:21
No, the point that you again missed is that the players look better than they are in the system
2020-06-05 00:24
#203
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Europe Vallon3 
Which, YET AGAIN, is relevant to what exactly in a TEAM-BASED game??? Jfc
2020-06-05 03:22
The point is retarded because device and dupreeh were top players even without gla1ve He's saying "Stop letting numbers over-rule your brain." yet he's only looking at the numbers.
2020-06-03 22:10
#23
2020-06-03 22:13
+1 - they are playing completely new positions with new igl and 2 new players. Thorin is often right, but he also have some real misses - this is one of them
2020-06-03 22:14
Were top players... YEARS AGO. Remember when cold was the best player in the world and didn't even make top 20 in 2019?
2020-06-04 13:28
But device is still just as good individually, dupreeh is doing well too, even cold came back to a decent level in 2020. Individual numbers are highly dependant on how your team performs. If you're implying that Astralis are having a hard time right now because of poor individual performances, that's wrong, their team chemistry is gone that's it. And since they're a team that heavily relies on team chemistry, it took a toll on their performances. That's why they're the most dominant team in history, because they have 5 individually great players and the best team chemistry. But when only 3 individually great players remain and the igl is gone, obviously that's gonna be harder... They're not Navi or Vitality who can remove pretty much anyone except Zywoo and s1mple and still get good results.
2020-06-04 16:01
he is right. basically what im saying since ages. ecovice is a bot individually.
2020-06-03 22:07
Yeah ecovice is a bot, was #3 in the world in 2015 and 2016, a time when astralis weren't the best team in the world. Ok m8
2020-06-03 22:12
ecovice is a booooooooooot
2020-06-03 22:13
After that comment we know how serious we can take your arguments:)
2020-06-04 12:22
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Macau Bent0 
he's baiting for views and fame 100% what he's saying is always extreme
2020-06-03 22:10
#29
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Lebanon Dogman69 
common sense that other than Magisk they arent very good indiviually device also wouldn't be a godmode on another team
2020-06-03 22:16
Sure device could be on godmode....in a team that doesnt play superflashy counterstrike.....he propably couldnt replace woxic, or cerq....
2020-06-04 12:24
#31
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Poland kvvach 
he is right. device is nothing without gla1ve
2020-06-03 22:16
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH device was #3 in 2015 2016 when gla1ve was being babysitted by Hunden. Learn history
2020-06-03 22:19
lets not forget he had Karrigan for most of that time a top 3 igl all time easy
2020-06-04 12:17
wasnt he chokin on danish potato for like a year or two? 🤡🤡
2020-06-03 22:17
I mean, I don't see anything incorrect here? The Astralis players were never known for their individual skill.
2020-06-03 22:17
Yeah of course, device was never #3 in 2015 2016 being a god at time Magisk was never known for being a godlike riffler Ofc m8
2020-06-03 22:20
Yes ofc, I wanna see them do it again without goat igl like karrigan and GLAIVE who set up them. Didn't see magisk being godlike before joining Astralis Didn't see Xyp9x clutching lots of rounds
2020-06-04 12:20
0/8
2020-06-04 12:48
#40
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Asia loveall 
not surprising he is saying that about astralis after flashpoint.. expect more
2020-06-03 22:24
Hes correct you people are retarded. But its not like this wasent already known
2020-06-03 22:29
hes right though lmao, people can hate on him as much as they want, but he knows what hes talking about
2020-06-03 22:30
he is a clown. /close
2020-06-03 22:30
Thorin was the first guy overhyping the likes of Device and Dupreeh back in the day btw
2020-06-03 22:30
He's not wrong. Astralis with Glaive and Xypnx don't get blown out of the server by Vitality of all teams. Online or not and especially on Nuke. They are talented players but the strength was the structure. The only thing particularly noteworthy is that it had to be said in the first place. I'll put it to you this way. Liquid has like three S tier players and let's say two B tier players. Astralis has one S tier and 4 A tier. When you put C and worse tier players on the team and you take away the most integral of them all it kind of falls apart.
2020-06-03 22:31
Damn Liquid has three S tier players and can't even win against chaos and furia? There's something fishy here dude
2020-06-03 22:38
Can't win against Chaos and Furia online but blow out European squads with regularity on LAN.
2020-06-03 22:41
I dont think liquidbwould blow out anyone on lan rn....mb if they get into their heads andbthey get tilted.....mb they could win vs this astralis, only team i see them winning out of top 10-15 rn....apart from EG ofc
2020-06-04 12:26
I guess we'll see when LAN comes back.
2020-06-04 19:54
lmfao all these american starting talking about shitquid. If you think any top5 team can do better changing their goat IGL and support player for jugi and snappi + changing their top5 rifler to suddenly IGL for the first time and give them a few days if any to practise the result would be the same. Astralis has the best players in each position when they're on point, dont get salty just caused they made your scene look like complete clowns for years
2020-06-04 12:14
#59
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Sweden Lagge15 
I think you totally missed his point
2020-06-04 12:16
nah not really, his point about Liquid having 4 S-tier players while astralis having one is a complete joke i mean imagine calling guys like nitr0 and stewie and inconsistent NAF S-tier players
2020-06-04 12:21
#102
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Sweden Lagge15 
NAF is better than 4 of the current Astralis players, just in pure individual skills. The strength of Astralis is their team play.
2020-06-04 12:42
That's odd since Magisk Dupreeh and dev1ce all have far bettter individual achievments than him not to mention all the H2H duels they beat him in when meeting liquid
2020-06-04 12:39
#113
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Sweden Lagge15 
This is the point you moron. They win due to team play, even in the kill feed and the duels. Thats the whole point of Thorin's post. Just look at what Dupreeh and Magisk have done in Blast so far, and tell me NiKo, Rain, Broky or Coldzera would have those stats if they played with JUGi and Snappi
2020-06-04 12:44
Thorin fanboys are something else LMFAO. Thorin making a statement about anyones individual abilities after changing your IGL + support player for snappi and jugi + making your strongest rifler IGL for the first + playing fucking BO1's without any practise with that setup is beyond stupid. Yes rain, broky (lmfao why tf even mention those) or colds stats would be absolutely awful under the same conditions you fucking retard. Besides Dupreeh so far had 1.11 rating against NIP and 1.87 against saW, you are actually one of those dumbasses only looking at the last matchup to form your opinions
2020-06-04 12:52
#135
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Sweden Lagge15 
You even start arguing at yourself. Awesome dude. Keep going
2020-06-04 13:52
I honestly don't get what is so controversial about what I said. It's a credit to Astralis that their structure allows their players to shine so brightly it's not a detriment at all. Whatever I guess.
2020-06-04 14:26
#140
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Sweden Lagge15 
He was already tilted before he read the thing that he couldn't comprehend the multitude of interpretations it could be. Thorin is horrible on social media because his messages are usually ambiguous. So sure, he could be mad because of Thorin's poor phrasing. But getting mad at people who have another interpretation of the tweet is just insane. He is so mad that he is incoherent in his replies and doesn't interact with what I or you wrote
2020-06-04 15:14
There's nothing controversial pal, this is the only game, sport if you want, where people think that a team could destroy "a much more skilled team" (according to HLTV ofc) 10 times out of 10 just by "playing as a team", not one or two, 10 times out of 10. where you can beat 32-2 "the most skilled team" (according to HLTV) by "playing as a team"
2020-06-04 15:22
Completely destroying your arguments is "arguing at myself" (btw its with yourself but w/e) i know you're swedish and a thorin fanboy so putting 2 and 2 together is really fucking hard, but i have faith that if you try really hard you'll make it.
2020-06-04 14:52
#141
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Sweden Lagge15 
You haven't even read or understood my argument, THE US dudes argument, Thorin's argument or anything else. You more or less say the same thing as Thorin but he is the bad guy
2020-06-04 15:14
No im stating why commenting on astralises individual performance with their current situation is completely retarded, how can it be so fucking hard for you to understand
2020-06-04 15:30
#156
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Sweden Lagge15 
Because it isn't. The roster changes display what their strengths have been during the past 2-3years and why they have ahd the most consistent era ever, while the players not having to evolve or develop as individual players. The protocol works But with two new players ad the protocol get erased, all you got left is individual skill.
2020-06-04 15:53
Again ill repeat myself: This is a completely retarded take, swap in Jugi and snappi without any practise in any top5 team while making one of your main fraggers IGL for the first time ever and you will see all the remaining players ratings drop, thinking otherwise is completely retarded.
2020-06-04 16:04
The point I was making doesn't actually have anything to do specifically with the replacements. My point was that Astralis as a whole is a less skilled team then Liquid individually on the top end. Now I understand Liquid triggers you so let me use a different team. Faze has more skilled players on the top end of their roster then Astralis. Full Astralis. But they will continue to lose to them until Astralis finally gets figured out by the rest of the world of Faze attempts to incorporate some of that structure. Much like Liquid was able to in 2019 :P No one is calling the Astralis players bad. They're really fucking good. I don't think you are quite understanding the take here.
2020-06-04 19:58
No i fully understand you and I also fully disagree. Especially since people are trying to point out something like this based on BO1's where they switched out their IGL and support player for jugi and snappi and to top it off making their top rifler IGL for the first time in his career, not to mention their complete lack of practise with this lineup. No top10 team / individuals would be able to perform well with that, thinking otherwise is simply delusional. But to the point i disagree that Astralis (with the main 5) are weaker player for player than a team like Liquid. I dont see any awper on Liquid that is able to go toe to toe with Device and i definitely believe that players like magisk and dupreeh are every bit as strong riflers as guys like Elige and Twistzz and dont even get me started on nitr0 and stewie. For the Faze comparison, i dont really see much individual skill there besides niko and cold i mean i honestly feel like Furia has more skilled players than them when it comes to individual fragging abilities. Lastly i dont know if you're trolling about Liquid was "Figuring them out" in 2019? i mean they only managed to beat them in 1 legit BO3 that ended 16-13 on 3rd map meanwhile Astralis beat them in 6 BO3's last year. This isnt really a question about figuring them out, but more a question about the other teams not having the ability to reinvent themselves and read their opponents as well, just look at a team like mibr running the same strats as they did back in 2016 hoping that they'll work as they did back then
2020-06-04 20:59
#143
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Sweden Lagge15 
You are even so stupid that you see I haven't made any arguments. This is what I mean with "I don't think you can read" I have just tried to explain your misunderstanding, not by arguing, but by just rephrasing what you're saying.
2020-06-04 15:17
"Just look at what Dupreeh and Magisk have done in Blast so far, and tell me NiKo, Rain, Broky or Coldzera would have those stats if they played with JUGi and Snappi" This is an argument, a failed one but an argument
2020-06-04 15:31
#158
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Sweden Lagge15 
Nope, that is poking hole in your argument by asking you to proceed your thinking of your own argument.
2020-06-04 15:57
you are arguing Thorins point, which is massively flawed as i pointed out. Your point with Dupreeh and magisks ratings are massively flawed as is the idea that the remaining players of a team can switch out their IGL + support player with snappi and jugi and still perform on the same level, not to mention one of them picking up the IGL role for the first time. Holy shit i feel like im repeating myself a lot, but obviously it's hard for you to understand lmfao
2020-06-04 16:01
#46
shox | 
United States raymoney 
thery are overrated lmfao. Device was never better than niko. he was just set up by goat IGL and support. With out them what is astralis and what the fuck is device
2020-06-03 22:33
device and coldzera were the smartest fraggers in the game at their peak but they are both a little bit overrated cause yeah they are very set up s1mple and zywoo doing better
2020-06-04 12:21
I mean cold is looking hot in faze rn, even if hes not the guy set up/ in the clutches all the time anymore Still has some of the best crowd control ive ever seen in cs....not to mention the rounds where he just wins 1v4 out of nowhere with like deag no armor. Hes not top 5 anymore i guess but still very scary to play against imo
2020-06-04 12:29
#177
shox | 
United States raymoney 
I think it applies far more to device than it does to Cold. Cold was able to clutch and outplay NiKo was a hard carry back then. He was also no 1 twice.
2020-06-04 21:32
#47
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Sweden Lagge15 
What is it exactly you're disagreeing with? They have been stomped on by NiP and Vitality, two teams that struggle. The individual performance isn't there when their system broke down. It just highlight that even the best players need stability and comfort to perform
2020-06-03 22:36
If you think any top5 team can do better changing their goat IGL and support player for jugi and snappi + changing their top5 rifler to suddenly IGL for the first time and give them a few days if any to practise the result would be the same. Astralis has the best players in each position when they're on point.
2020-06-04 12:15
#82
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Finland iBait 
Ok, all of them are still worse individually than the NiKos of the world.
2020-06-04 12:23
Well i dont think anyone doubts that here....
2020-06-04 12:30
#94
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Finland iBait 
Sure but a lot of people seem to have entirely missed Thorin's point.
2020-06-04 12:32
I mean hes too hard there tbh....but thats his style, thats how u get attention
2020-06-04 12:32
Niko is individually unable to lead his teams to achievments despite Faze using more money to buy out players than any other team in the world. Individual abilities include reading nade usage, reading the enemy play and overall strategy making not just lOoK aT tHat hEaDsHoT wOw
2020-06-04 12:32
#99
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Finland iBait 
That's not really relevant to what this thread is about.
2020-06-04 12:34
#100
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Sweden Lagge15 
Are you capable of reading at all?
2020-06-04 12:33
what part of my message didnt you understand?
2020-06-04 12:38
#115
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Sweden Lagge15 
I didn't say you can't write. I imply you can't read. Because you miss understand everything everyone in this thread is telling you
2020-06-04 12:45
i think it's you who doesnt know how to read, but i guess it's hard having your head so far up thorins ass. I said in my message why i dont consider niko individual abilities to be great.
2020-06-04 12:54
#97
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Sweden Lagge15 
No, as a team we will expect a downgrade, but we wouldn't see the individual performance drop to the levels of Magisk and Dupreeh right now
2020-06-04 12:32
Magisk is in game leading for the first time, ofc his performance is gonna drop, Dupreeh was the main fragger against NIP with a 1.11 rating, are you one of those "only the last matchup matters" type of guys? Besides if you had payed a tiny bit attention to their performance you would notice that their t-side was in terms of round wins decent in both matchups 6 t-rounds on Train and 5 t-rounds on nuke. However their CT side was bad since having 2 players (40% of your team) not being able to hold their grounds, you could have the 3 sickest fraggers on a team with 2 horrible ones and they wouldnt be able to hold any site ever.
2020-06-04 12:35
#50
Per0N | 
Venezuela 643 
It's the "Cristiano Ronaldo phenomenon". Stats, stats, stats, but not even close to being a top5 player in football history. Is also happens to Messi, but at least Messi is a top3-4 player.
2020-06-03 22:49
As if this thread wasn't already horrible What a meaningless comparison
2020-06-03 22:51
Messi top 3-4 player? Do u watch football and did in the past? I mean u cant really compare guys lile maradonna, pele and messi due tobdifferent times they play.....but messi is the only reason barcelona was even a contender for anything in the past decade almost (and ter stegen)....
2020-06-04 12:31
#170
Per0N | 
Venezuela 643 
Yeah, for me Messi is the 3rd or 4th best player in history
2020-06-04 18:19
#55
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United Kingdom macrocephaly 
He isn't wrong
2020-06-04 12:12
I have to agree with the NiKo point
2020-06-04 12:15
What? Astralis fanboys overrated Astralis players individual skill and now he rekted them.
2020-06-04 12:16
+11111
2020-06-04 19:54
Yeah I get what he mean. But I think all the astralis players are pefect individually for their role and not overrated in that sense. But two pieces of the puzzle are now missing. The two cerebral pieces Dupreeh just isnt the smartest player. Magisk is not an IGL Snappi and Jugi are meh The team lacks brain atm and the firepower is not that insane
2020-06-04 12:18
#66
sdy | 
Sweden god_sdy 
Overrated individually? You dont shit on teams and create an era if you suck individually, point. Remove IGL and solid support and this is what happens. Its one thing if they replace them with equal players but come on, JUGI and Snappi cant fill their roles lol. Its obvious they just picked two hobos on the street just to fill out spots on the team in order to still keep some of their core fresh. I'd say its more the individual level of the remaning three that even pushes this team into wins right now because JUGI and Snappi are goddamn awful
2020-06-04 12:18
exactly, they are not overrated in their roles Dupreeh perfect entry fragger, device perfect awp/star player, magisk perfect trade fragger It is just now that they dont have the keys, the brain which is xyp9x and glaive Without them astralis is just another team and firepower is actually lower than the other top 5 teams right now
2020-06-04 12:20
#75
sdy | 
Sweden god_sdy 
Well of course firepower is lower because they have two hobos on the team who aren't fit to play at this level AT ALL right now. They also have Magisk as IGL afaik.
2020-06-04 12:21
Yes I know what Thorin meant but it came out wrong
2020-06-04 12:22
#67
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
People are still falling for Thorin's Twitter baits in 2020? When it comes to Thorin and Twitter, take it with a grain of salt and pay no heed to it. I like Thorin's analysis and knowledge but I detest his Twitter antics... don't take them seriously. Have a good day.
2020-06-04 12:19
+1
2020-06-04 12:24
Problem is that he is not baiting, he is always dead serious
2020-06-04 12:32
#101
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Thorin would like you to believe this is serious but honestly he likes to state controversial things to get a rise out of people. That is essentially what baiting is, whether or not he is right or wrong. This isn't the first time nor the last time he will post controversial banter on Twitter to get under peoples skin.
2020-06-04 12:34
#69
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Brazil moonski 
he's right tho very right as a matter of fact
2020-06-04 12:19
He is right for once you idiots think device is top 3 player just because he is in astralis
2020-06-04 12:21
#78
sdy | 
Sweden god_sdy 
You could say that about any top player then. They are top players because they play in top teams doh
2020-06-04 12:22
no
2020-06-04 12:24
#88
sdy | 
Sweden god_sdy 
Being the best is also about exposure. You can practice all you want and wreck anyone in a 1v1 but not playing at top level and attending the biggest tournaments means you lose out on alot of exposure. Individually CIS scene is crazy strong, but only a handful of the teams/players in that scene gets the recognition. Plenty of players in there that would shit on device and other top20 players individually
2020-06-04 12:26
why are you talking about people who dont get exposure... I was just saying he is not above NiKo s1mple or ZywOo
2020-06-04 13:20
U put niko with 4 of other niko still they can't win major. Yes Astralis player r not have insane raw aim but calling thm over rated is bullshit. They excel at team work which is much more harder
2020-06-04 12:21
thats what he said hahahahhha
2020-06-04 14:53
he's right, astralis is insane in teamplay, individually not so much.
2020-06-04 12:23
#81
sdy | 
Sweden god_sdy 
Team sucks individually but yet 16-0s the "best individual team in the scene" uh ok youtube.com/watch?v=848l70lBfJo
2020-06-04 12:23
This guy expects Astralis to play the same with two new players who let's be real, currently are NOT good enough (especially snappi). And i love how the esports "historian" completely ignores the fact that the danish scene has always played structure cs and that is the preferred style of that scene. So it is obvious you will have difficulties adjusting without two of the most important players on the team. He says stop letting numbers over-rule your brain, when that is all this supposed cs go "analyst" does. He is just bitter that Astralis left Flashpoint for ESL, so he will keep a grudge forever and post ridiculous tweets such as these.
2020-06-04 12:23
He's talking about the individual skill not the team play. 2018 Astralis relied on the team play not the individual skill, because of that they were godlike. Btw, device himself said that they would rely on their individual
2020-06-04 12:39
men who listens to thorin in 2k20
2020-06-04 12:35
People who aren't salty after Thorin calls their favorite players shit
2020-06-04 12:37
#108
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Korea Abisusilojr 
I mean he's not lying tho, even device is not an ss tier talent like niko, s1mple and zywoo, his numbers are obviously inflated by astralis' setups, crossfires and eco frags. You can actually see that his numbers have not been up to his standards ever since gla1ve and xyp left. Astralis' teamplay, setups, crossfires and utility usage really makes it easy for players to have such outstanding numbers. But yeah never take thorin's tweets seriously, it's all bait. His quality opinions come from his yt vids Btw i'm not hating on device, but if he wants to prove himself as an ss tier player it's now or never. I'm really interested if he could be the hyper carry like s1mple and niko(in mouz).
2020-06-04 12:37
+99 i agree to your words,
2020-06-04 16:08
He's right I've said it for ages, astrlias line up paper is not even top 5, what made them the best was their team play and confidence.
2020-06-04 12:45
he is right
2020-06-04 12:45
#124
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Europe Niko0 
Well he is absolutely right? Its not really a secret that Astralis players individual level is not in the top 20. Its just that they are like well oiled machine. Communication works and they are all really calculative players. When playing solo they are not so special.
2020-06-04 12:55
#134
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Estonia mr_abdul 
he is not that wrong tbh, big part of astralis success was because of gla1ves leading, and magisk dupreeh and device all consistently fragging while x9p getting the important clutches, on their own the system could (and is) fall apart
2020-06-04 13:33
Its just the american way to give time to low IQ people. Some gets to be president, most talk crazy on twitter. The commen thing is no one is really saying anything at all. despite not being able to stop talking. And to speak of the topic. No one have ever said that all 5 members of Astralis was 5 simples running around. Not any team is like that. but to claim they over rated is just a "see me give me attention" statement. and im sure he even know and choose it for that reason. If any other team had to change two players like that, no one would even think the team could compete for the first period. Yes Astralis was far ahead of all others in talk of teamwork and tactics and understanding, they played 100% as a team. that is how perfect cs is done. but its super hard, also why others havent been able to do it. But that dont mean the players are overrated when taken out of that team of 5. it just means like every other team going through change that it takes time. Its normal. but because its astralis people just expect more. But the truth it a low tier team, that works as a team can beat a pro team that dont work as a team, because the team aspect of cs gives so much. its not just about hitting things that wont win you anything in the long run. And all teams, and all players would ofc fall down when 2 memembers leave the team. they bassicly have to build things up again. But they cant really build things up again because they plan to get those to players back. so its wont be the old Astralis but at the same time they cant really build something new with the two new guys because they still plan to get the old ones back.
2020-06-04 14:04
#144
HUNDEN | 
Iceland GranMa 
He has tweeted much worse than that, he seems to be obsessed with Astralis.
2020-06-04 15:22
He might be bipolar or schizophrenic honestly
2020-06-04 15:23
I honestly think he's bipolar on some level
2020-06-04 15:32
Whats wrong?
2020-06-04 15:38
#154
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
Salty english guy with red hair and red beard? Nothing special, just another day on earth.
2020-06-04 15:41
He is right tho
2020-06-04 15:43
#164
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Spain SPQR_CAESAR 
2 players were replaced. What the fuck do you expect? perfect syngergy in a couple of weeks? I mean We are talking about Thoorin, I don't expect much from this cuck.
2020-06-04 16:05
This guy is stupid as shit.... i sometimes like thorin, but really how stupid a comment is that really. U could put NiKo with 4 of his bros and he would still frag out. NOT! He would get destroyed like any one Else, when you all you Got around you is shit. No the Astralis players are not better then any of the other top 50 players but they are all up there and the rest is just teamwork and hardwork as it should be. Saying that they are overrated is fucking BS..... yea they won 4 majors SUPER OVER RATED PLAYERS, IDIOT!!!! Thats saying the rest of all players are just a bunch of noobs
2020-06-04 16:22
#168
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Denmark Duke1996 
Most succesful team in GS:GO history Of course the players are shit #ThorinLogic
2020-06-04 16:40
Overrated =/= Shit. Their success is due to amazing teamplay and tactical prowess not amazing individuals
2020-06-04 21:52
#169
JD | 
Poland tutatek 
But actually he is right Astralis players have no idea how to play w/o their mastermind gla1ve XD
2020-06-04 16:44
The strength of the Australia system was having players in the optimal positions to make plays. They obviously were great players to be able to convert those plays, but it’s so different from a “Niko go kill” system
2020-06-04 21:53
#188
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Lithuania KingOfPing 
But he is right, gla1ve and Xyp leave and Magisk, dupreeh is pure crap, device frag sometimes keep his k/d in +. Astralis was really strong as great 5 team players but not individuals. 2 left team and others fall as card house. They can recover but need time for that, they are not a team where 1 or 2 can frag all the time, its teamplay based strategy team.
2020-06-04 22:07
#194
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Iceland viggerey 
device topfragging with great teammates and shit teammates imo best player
2020-06-05 00:27
hes not wrong astralis are pretty garbo rn
2020-06-05 01:29
#200
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Lithuania UnReportable 
this is really dumb by thorin lmao, ofc when a team like astralis losses its core, they will play worse, their whole idea on how to play the game was completely strategical and teamplay focused, no solo play making unless you are clutching. thats why you only see astralis take risks when their teammates die. they are literally playing by the book, and when some players dont know how to play by the book everything collapses, and on top of that device did frag the fk out?
2020-06-05 01:39
#201
cam | 
United States girls 
that;s like an hltv calibre take
2020-06-05 01:40
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