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Ukraine volod1m1r so as told by russian government 97% or so percent of crimeans "_'voted_'" in "_'fair'_" elections to join russian federation. In this video you see barely 20 prorussian people near Ukrainian Naval High Command, mostly of USSR-age scandaling about ROSIYA. QUESTION I'd like to question russians. Do you believe that 97% (!!!!!) of Crimeans actually voted to join russia? That is, for some statistics, with 10-25% of ethnic ukrainians and 25% tatars on the peninsula. Spoilers: video shows Russian troops actually plotting to take down Ukrainian ships.
2020-06-08 09:57
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Ukraine volod1m1r
I'd like to hear responses from 10-18 year olds that are on this site. Yes.
2020-06-08 09:58
"from 10-18 year olds" KEK.
2020-06-08 17:32
Russia politcs = PUtin doing whatever he wants with his poor people.
2020-06-08 17:32
Not only Putin, the whole Ruski history is full of dictators.
2020-06-08 18:20
I'd say that approx. 70% did want to join, but what does it change? People in Russia decide nothing. With Putin and his cronies using them when needed. Voting in Russia is a joke anyways.
2020-06-08 10:02
Ukraine volod1m1r
I'm not asking how many people WANTED, but how many VOTED. But anyway, just as you said, voting in russia is a joke. So I consider that an answer
2020-06-08 10:04
2020-06-08 10:25
Finland Homeless775
”In this video you see barely 20 prorussian people near Ukrainian Naval High Command, mostly of USSR-age scandaling about ROSIYA.” That makes you convinced that it can’t be true? Lol it’s like saying I saw a video where a black guy married a white woman so I racism does not exist it’s not a thing, of course the votes could have been Manipulated but It does not matter at all if you can’t tell that for sure
2020-06-08 10:10
Ukraine volod1m1r
I'm not stating anything, I'm only saying what is shown on the video. BTW, if you want to make a conversation about that: I've never seen a video of russian protests in ukraine with more than 50-100 people. And that is with the cities of millions of people. Crimea for instance. Quite.. khm.. confusing for a revolution.
2020-06-08 10:11
That means nothing, before george floyd died there was corona protests to open all the shops, there were maybe groups of 50 people protesting in every state, population 328 mil, nobody goes to protests nowadays it’s easier to sign peritions and do everything from home
2020-06-08 10:23
Ukraine volod1m1r
The events we are talking about took place in 2014. To counterargument your opinion.. look at Euromaidan in Kyiv in 2013. Count how many people stood there and how many "potentially" voted for joining russia in 2014.
2020-06-08 10:26
Russia VelsVivard
It doesn't matter how many voted, although I believe it was a vast majority for joining, they all wanted it. At least those who haven't become criminals yet.
2020-06-08 10:14
Ukraine volod1m1r
Most of people that govern Russian Federation are thieves, or criminals, nonetheless. I don't believe such a rich country has a minimal salary of 200 dollars. That is f nonsense to me. This is also minimal salary of Ukraine, after revolution and war in Donbass.
2020-06-08 10:13
Russia VelsVivard
It's another topic, there are reasons to that too. Russian government, unlike the Ukrainian one, hasn't done anything morally wrong, it's priorities are the human rights and the well being of all. Your government's priorities are to enrich all those at the leading positions, steal from the country, kill its own people and run away. You're a clueless hypocrite and your country is hopelessly barbaric.
2020-06-08 10:18
Ukraine volod1m1r
I don't think you are in position to call somebody that lives in a country where events are happening a clueless hypocrite, my dear not friend. You are merely a foreigner to me, and to Crimea aswell
2020-06-08 10:23
Russia VelsVivard
Things will happen while they can and the aftermath of your actions is present, we didn't lose anything, we only gained. You've only lost. So I don't really have to say anything, if you ain't stupid, you know it yourself.
2020-06-08 10:29
Ukraine volod1m1r
Personally I've not gained or lost anything. Also you are dropping the conversation level to average that I don't consider interesting anymore. Bye
2020-06-08 10:57
Russia VelsVivard
Unwanted truth is rarely interesting to anybody but that's just the way it is.
2020-06-08 11:14
You must be retarded, Russia has faced so many sanctions and will face more and more untill it will be disconnected from other countries. Russia has only lost after they took crimea, wtf is in crimea, its a shit island with not much tourism and you have to invest in it too lol.
2020-06-08 12:35
Respect him pls
2020-06-08 18:39
respect this russian idiot lol? "we didn't lose anything, we only gained" Look how pathetic and sad he sounds. He doesnt understand that putin is a dictator like kim john un or that he will never gain anything from crimea. Hes a normal russian kid who will grow up being poor like most of the population due to his governments corruption. Instead of fighting against it, he supports it which blows my mind.
2020-06-08 23:35
both ukraine and russian are two corrupt and poor countries but at least i dont see ukrainians saying that ukraine is the best bla bla bla
2020-06-08 23:36
Jovik legendary user respect him pls
2020-06-09 03:01
piss off you stupid fake flagger, put your russian flag up
2020-06-09 10:07
full hate against a country who talk the same language, with the same history and the same culture. even in France (with full propaganda medias) we consider Tsar Putin nicer than in your country. americans made a revolution in your country but you are too stupid and blind (Russia's hate) to understand that... and enjoy your land, because americans are interested :-)
2020-06-08 16:22
wtf did you just say? 100% a fake flagger or a 14 year old
2020-06-08 23:40
0 argument from british kid, je suis français sale rosbeef, and propably older than you.
2020-06-09 13:46
Finland Jodecast
"Russian government, unlike the Ukrainian one, hasn't done anything morally wrong, it's priorities are the human rights and the well being of all" The biggest lie I have ever heard in my life
2020-06-08 15:08
China FazeIsNoob
this is democracy mens. If most of them want to join, let them be it.
2020-06-08 10:13
Ukraine volod1m1r
Hong Kong protests?
2020-06-08 10:15
China FazeIsNoob
thats my theory. If majority of Hong Kong people dont want to be part of China, then I support them to make it happen. But anyway, this is not the point of Hong Kong protest. Even one of their leader Jimmy Lai said the purpose was not to separate from China,
2020-06-08 10:17
Ukraine volod1m1r
Well, as you see on the video, Ukrainian tropps are surrounded, but it kinda goes peacefully. Nobody considers each other enemies. On international level, however, it is illegal to have election in such circumstances. We have questionable people being prorussian, Ukrainian side is not even questioned. I value every opinion, and it doesn't make sense that 97% would vote to join russia.
2020-06-08 10:20
China FazeIsNoob
is that 97 of people who vote want to join Russia, or 97% of people are expected to vote for joining Russia?
2020-06-08 10:21
Ukraine volod1m1r
96.666 or something PERCENT of people (2.000.000) that wanted to join russia, as russian govt states.
2020-06-08 10:24
You really think the vote was legit? Every vote is eastern europe is rigged. Everything will be like putin wants, not once has the votes been against putins favour.
2020-06-08 23:44
It is not democracy dude, you cannot just invade a part of other country with your army and make your "own referendum" with such conditions + the main thing is you didn't ask OTHER PART OF THIS COUNTRY. Democracy doesn't work like that...
2020-06-08 13:09
Lithuania Paulius_CS
aaa 2014 the year of big booty bitches
2020-06-08 10:14
Do you believe that 97% (!!!!!) of Crimeans actually voted to join russia? - No I do not
2020-06-08 10:16
Ukraine volod1m1r
Thank you for response. I'm just curious. I was reading comments on youtube, opinions vary alot. So I wanted to clirify. Idk what this question can prove or disapprove, its just for curiousness
2020-06-08 10:18
Do you watch Dmitry Gordon? Yesterday he made in interview with Egor Zhukov, hope you know who it is. They were discussing Crimea problem and they had different opinions, but they both were right in my point of view. You can watch it on YouTube. I mean Russia and Ukraine both are in a shit political and economical situation, both have corruption and most problems are the same. But the lawlessness that the authorities are holding at the moment is bigger in Russia. These 97 percent are the same 97 percent as in referenda in Chechnya. Like Putin's rating. Like an election. It is obvious. On the other hand, of course, in the Crimea there are people who want to live in Ukraine, and who want to live in Russia. Therefore, there are dissatisfied residents in any situation. I don’t know what to do with it
2020-06-08 10:23
Ukraine volod1m1r
I watch Gordon since his interview with Poklonskaia and terrorist Girkin, so I'm new in his channel. I'm surely going to watch his latest interview with Zhukov. Thank you for recommending. Glad both sides can watch the same journalist, because that is how the world should work to solve its problems. Did you watch the whole 4-hour video of his questions to Girkin? What is your opinion? "I don’t know what to do with it" - me neither, but I think Russia will control the situation until it has power or govt to do so. As long as putins stands
2020-06-08 10:32
Yea I’ve been watching his channel a little longer, for about 3 months already, well, I knew about him before. I sympathize him as a journalist, I can’t say that I completely agree with him on everything, but he is a very smart person and inspires respect. As for the interview with Girkin. Yes, I watched that interview completely. This person does not inspire confidence in me. I'm sure he lied at least a few times. He knows a lot, but does not want to tell, because it will bring him to the tribunal in the Hague. Probably in vain he agreed to that interview. I think we will catch the moment when he will have to answer for the downing of a Boeing MH17
2020-06-08 10:39
Ukraine volod1m1r
I agree on everything you've said. For me, his content is pretty decent. Although, I got kinda triggered by the amount of people that sympathise Girkin for his idea to unify post soviet republics, just as stalin would want. I'm not hating the idea or whatever he wants to say/mean/emphasize, but I hate how people blindly follow soldiers that have been killing countless times. It makes me sad and disappointed. The only rule or inspiring in those people is power and nothing else that drives them or they seek to reach
2020-06-08 10:41
Well, Girkin is a deeply ideological person, he really believes in what he considers right. It is impossible to convince him and his supporters. What I want to say is that here in Russia there are many people who understand the real situation in Ukraine and in Crimea. And they became even more after the failure of our government in connection with the coronavirus. People on self-isolation stop watching TV and discover YouTube :) But do not rely on anything while Putin is president. And he will be president, quite possibly, for a long time. And after himself, most likely, he will leave a successor as Yeltsin did. Therefore, the conflict may drag on for many years. But remember that politicians and ordinary people are different and we think differently. The people of Russia, for the most part, consider Ukrainians to be brothers and all decisions that Putin makes are made by him, not by the people
2020-06-08 10:49
i would suggest u to stop watching his videos. Gordon is one of the biggest retards on the internet. Ps i ve seen a shit ton of his videos , so im pretty sure he is not the one he is pretending to be. just another ''journalist''
2020-06-09 00:20
Ukraine volod1m1r
Who should I watch then?
2020-06-09 02:54
I am sorry for you
2020-06-11 16:37
Russia wanted a warm water port and that's exactly the way the vote went @_@
2020-06-08 10:19
Obviously that shit was rigged, only African countries with crazy dictators beat that percentile. And Belarus lol.
2020-06-08 10:22
belarus will beat even the 100% xDDDDDDDDDD
2020-06-08 16:01
> Russia > politics pick one, they are living under dictator and they seem happy to be f*cked in the ass by him
2020-06-08 10:25
Georgia Megobari
B A R V I N O K, you're back <3
2020-06-08 10:26
Hi brother, together we are stronger! Georgia, Ukraine = forever friendship. Russia will be destroyed like any other kind of evilness. They will pay for their crimes against Georgia and Ukraine. I'm sure. <3
2020-06-08 20:01
Funny to hear it from ukrainians who can't protest against their government for better jobs payment and lower taxes lol
2020-06-08 17:59
Your comment is the most dumb in this thread. Congratz!
2020-06-08 19:09
They have protested, i dont know if you live under a rock. No protests in russia on the other hand, putin will just arrest them and give life in prison.
2020-06-08 23:48
Georgia Megobari
Who cars about this retarded elections. We all know that this was annexation and I will always support Ukraine.
2020-06-08 10:26
+1 <3 Georgia The truth is on our side and we gonna win anyway.
2020-06-08 13:10
with the changes in constitution putin will rule forever
2020-06-08 10:26
Crimea who?
2020-06-08 10:27
Ukraine volod1m1r
I thought you would care as Russians talk about lands that they gave to Kazakstan alot. Just my opinion
2020-06-08 10:28
can you give me example?
2020-06-08 10:31
looks like all russian neighbours must give piece of territory
2020-06-08 10:56
Ukraine volod1m1r
I don't think Ukrainians, speaking from my point as a Ukrainian, will ever be able to give piece of land to occupants. We have a spirit to fight and this is our land till the last breath. We are praising and admiring our heroes, and we will fight whatever it takes. It is pretty stupid to forget that 2.5 million ukrainians served in Red Army. We are not easy going like that. I'm just warning you for future that Russia had war in Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine thus far. Many of them are even speaking bad about Kazakstan as I've mentioned; saying that you never lived to their expectations.
2020-06-08 11:02
btw referendum was fake
2020-06-08 11:24
Often, when ukrainians talk about the situation in Russia, it looks like digging in a neighbor’s underwear)))
2020-06-08 10:34
Ukraine volod1m1r
Well, Russian news media are monitoring Ukraine way more. Plus, we are talking about Crimea, not Russia
2020-06-08 10:34
Isn’t it all rigged? Like what’s even the point?
2020-06-08 10:34
It was illigal anyway. Voting must be allowed by Ukrainian government and it wasn't
2020-06-08 10:34
Constitution of Ukraine, article 138. And was the Maidan and the overthrow of the President legal?
2020-06-08 10:39
Ukraine volod1m1r
Maybe it wasn't legal, but I sure counted more than a million people in Kyiv that day. Cant say the same about people's referendum in Crimea. Nonetheless, why would you bring offtopic to this one? Bad counter argument since Yanukovich flew to russia by himself, which left ukraine with no president and choice. A coward. Sorry that I reply to you and you replied to him, I just want to keep the conversation going
2020-06-08 10:43
Ukraine McSwell
That's about local votings, while territory change questions can be set and approved only by national voting.
2020-06-08 13:01
Is Crimea becoming its own independent sovereign state out of question???
2020-06-08 11:04
Ukraine volod1m1r
I don't think Russia would allow that. Putin wants direct control + human resources. Personally I wouldn't be ashamed or sad about giving Crimean people independence if it was done properly and with Ukrainian government to observe.
2020-06-08 11:05
27000km2 is more than enough to become a free port. If they play their cards now they could become a Slavic Panama in 3 years...but because of Russian interference this probably wont happen.
2020-06-08 11:06
Ukraine volod1m1r
Well, Russians completely ruined future of Crimea in current state. World sanctions on Crimea and Russia made Crimea incredibly poor. They live only because of money from mainland Russia, also water resources are running out. fauna of the peninsula is in danger without ukrainian water. they are killing Crimea as from what I see in daily Crimean/Ukrainian/International news. I never watch Russian news.
2020-06-08 11:08
Russian news is something from a parallel universe XD
2020-06-08 11:11
The only chance to return Crimea to Ukraine, to wait until Russia breaks up. But I think faster Ukraine will gobble up itself from within. Ukraine has no resources to change anything. Show that you can build a normal state, everything else is demagogy.
2020-06-08 11:21
Ukraine volod1m1r
I don't think it is possible for Ukraine to break up at this point. Have you seen Ukraine throughout history? There are so many Ukrainian followers and patriots that it is unlikely Russia will continue its aggression. Actually, thats a precise reason Russian Govt didn't go further than Crimea. They will get rekt from the inside. Ofcourse, it is my personal opinion
2020-06-08 12:11
Countries are not run on pure patriotism, even tho patriots are numerous in Ukraine. You need resources.
2020-06-08 13:13
I'm pretty sure that the referendum was fake, but anyway, the majority of Crimean people did really want to join Russia (not saying it was legal, but still).
2020-06-08 11:19
Ukraine volod1m1r
Alright! Thank you.
2020-06-08 11:20
Garnogo dnya))))
2020-06-08 11:22
As a Ukrainian living in russia i think the referendum was real but the numbers are inflated. like probably 55-65 percent of people wanted to join Russia but definitely not 97%
2020-06-08 11:43
Ukraine volod1m1r
Yes, well, nobody denies it was real. The thing is, it was just a show, as I think. Zero point whether 0 or 100% of crimeans would vote, it would be Russia as russian troops were there all along.
2020-06-08 12:12
0 days without ukr crying about russia
2020-06-08 12:18
Ukraine volod1m1r
I'm not crying.
2020-06-08 12:19
so why you post this shit again and again? 6 year later what did you do to change their minds?
2020-06-08 12:30
Ukraine volod1m1r
I'm personally posting it for the first time. But I guess Bandera is here to get the thread blocked
2020-06-08 12:59
2020-06-08 15:24
as far as i can see crimea has a much better future when theyre a part of russia rather than still being a part of ukraine
2020-06-08 12:33
Even before coming here i knew this thread would be from a ukrainian
2020-06-08 12:37
2020-06-08 12:39
+1 Why would any other being so interested in Russian politics.
2020-06-08 13:32
The Russians calmly take our territory and Europe wants us to be silent.
2020-06-08 17:40
Russia and fair voting choose one
2020-06-08 12:56
Ukraine volod1m1r
I guess the thread will be closed soon as Bandera is rushing with his comments. Eh, too bad it lasted so short
2020-06-08 13:02
u gotta be braindead to believe any statistic at all coming from Russian government
2020-06-08 13:07
Ukraine volod1m1r
Ohh meen, I thought putins rating of 142% was real =(((
2020-06-08 13:09
Yes it’s true
2020-06-08 13:20
Who cars we didn't want Crimea to join us either
2020-06-08 13:33
2020-06-08 18:20
Russia mcs#
not 97 but more than 50% for sure
2020-06-08 13:33
Ukraine volod1m1r
What do you think would be with 40% of people that wouldn't want to join russia? Majority rules?
2020-06-08 13:42
I think it was ~80%
2020-06-08 14:28
Yes, that's how democracy works, retard
2020-06-08 17:30
Ukraine volod1m1r
Oh, okay. I guess an insult is the expression of Russian democracy aswell
2020-06-08 17:37
This is not an insult, but a medical fact. Why are you always offended by the truth and can't accept reality?
2020-06-08 17:40
Ukraine volod1m1r
Truth? I don't think smart people believe they know the truth. Only stupid do so
2020-06-08 19:14
Russia LisDinya
This is a strange topic for you to discuss on such a site, but still. Greetings from the Crimea, but 97% were from the city of Sevastopol, and 93% - from the Crimea itself. And Yes, the vote was fair, Putin and the Kremlin had nothing to do with it, the people themselves wanted to join Russia.
2020-06-08 13:47
2020-06-08 13:47
Ne pozor'sya
2020-06-08 14:29
2020-06-08 14:32
not a political site
2020-06-08 15:05
of course not)) believe russian goverment so stupid))
2020-06-08 15:11
but i can imagine what people from Crimea choose join to Russia) for example 55% procent vote for join to Russia but it's not sounds good) and Russian goverment changed resault) but i can also imagine what people from Crimea choose stay with Ukraine) and Russian goverment changed resault)
2020-06-08 15:17
Too many blue-yellow flags... I won't even read it
2020-06-08 15:21
literally no one believes it, i like that the title is russia [politics] and still more ukrainians in this thread
2020-06-08 16:38
Ukraine volod1m1r
Ukrainians are the biggest minority in Russia
2020-06-08 17:31
Ukraine volod1m1r
Also, it is this bandera guy that thinks he speaks for me or somebody else from Ukraine.
2020-06-08 17:31
can u just stfu? stupid ruski , people who live in RU cant deal with their government. Just stop trashtalk each others ru and ua is same shit
2020-06-08 16:40
Luxembourg omegaLUL
2020-06-08 17:45
dude who cares Crimea were poor region in UA , now its poor region in RU. Just stop
2020-06-08 17:47
Naturally, the sofa analyst from Luxembourg is better versed in Ukrainian territories, right? Moreover, is this an occasion to brazenly take our territory? Did Europe (some countries) guarantee Ukraine security in exchange for nuclear weapons...
2020-06-08 17:53
Im always saying the same. Crimea was poor, Donbass is shit also. Who cares except retarded patriots
2020-06-08 18:17
This referendum was held under the control of the "green soldiers" with rifles. And he has no power. The Russians simply decided to take the territory of Ukraine. And soon they will pay for it.
2020-06-08 17:35
"And soon they will pay for it." We'll see. Maybe we will pay... at your expense
2020-06-08 17:58
“At our expense” we will send your government and all those responsible to the Hague Supreme Court.
2020-06-08 18:07
WTF, you so delusional
2020-06-08 18:16
I think that majority of people in Crimea wanted to join Russia. But I don't care about Crimea. It's only made things worse in Russia after "we" take Crimea
2020-06-08 18:15
i will state a possibility to be a 4/8. Probably antirussians boykotted the referendum as a result having 97% 'yes'. Also ppl in 2014 mustve heard about the fate of Donbass and were afraid of the same would occur in Crimea. Just to be blunt, i don't have a solid opinion about that.
2020-06-08 18:18
Ukraine volod1m1r
Alright! Thanks for your opinion
2020-06-08 19:01
2020-06-08 18:24
Why not If most people still think capitalism is the best option.
2020-06-08 18:27
Ukraine volod1m1r
I don't see a connection here
2020-06-08 19:15
People believe in fairy tales, that's the connection.
2020-06-09 12:56
Ukraine volod1m1r
Could you please explain? I don't understand
2020-06-09 12:59
People would believe in everything if TV says so. They would believe in 97% or myths about communism equally even if real life will prove otherwise (at least for a while).
2020-06-09 13:28
the election wasn't fair /closed
2020-06-08 18:37
Cambodia RIPol_Pot
whining for a small island lulw
2020-06-08 18:47
Ukraine volod1m1r
I don't think Crimea is an island.
2020-06-08 19:16
United Kingdom rationale
The whole 2014 Crimean status referendum wasn't just a farce, it's a was a coup d'etat by the Russian armed forces. Putin needed Crimea more than anything, he took it.
2020-06-08 23:41
doesnt matter to the western world unfortunately, all we care about atm are black lives
2020-06-09 12:57
Ukraine volod1m1r
It is very sad. I believe people in Ukraine are developing rage just like Germans after losing WW1. We will never forget the death of our people and I think Russians should very careful with us..
2020-06-09 13:01
was ukraine betrayed by anime politician natalia poklonskaya of crimea?
2020-06-09 13:02
Ukraine volod1m1r
Betrayed indeed, you can google VICE News on Youtube to see a journalist being in Crimea at the moment 'people voted to join russia'. Everyone was scared of people in green cloths with guns. She made her choice and I'm sure she is ashamed of it. Nobody in Ukraine respects her nomore. A symbol of Crimea that wanted a better life, but instead reality is that Crimea is russian with problems it never faced before
2020-06-09 13:05
infos i know)) 1) 1954 transfer of Crimea (present from USSR First Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee to Ukraine) 2) 2013-2014 Ukrainian revolution (reason: pro-russian president ----> suspension by the Ukrainian government of preparations for the signing of an association agreement between Ukraine and the European Union) as a result this animal escaped to Russia and still living here. 3) While these events ruski prepared for taking Crimea back and annexation of it WHY didn't Ukraine fight for it? answer: no government. no actual defense on the borders with Russia ---> reason: to be short: Ukraine abandoned nuclear weapons and Russia pledged to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine shit military (previous presidents didn't give shit about it and were selling all military equipment to ruski) if we fight it would be a full-scale war and no chance against rat country at that moment As a conclusion i would say that ruski is a full rat country and feels sad how nowadays new 10iq president Zelenskiy wants to step back in the east because of Steinmeier formula and how our EU partners turn away from us because of his shit politics
2020-06-09 13:07
so funny to see 1 iq georgian and ukranian patriots here xD
2020-06-09 13:09
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