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EliGE | 
Austria kurvaanyadat 
2020-06-09 20:00
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#1
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Denmark 4vs0
Trump = 🗑️ Hillary = 🗑️ Biden = 🗑️ US politics = 🗑️ Far left = 🗑️ Far right = 🗑️ You = 🗑️
2020-06-09 20:01
+11111111111111
2020-06-09 20:11
#35
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Luxembourg fowkingell
+1
2020-06-09 20:32
+1
2020-06-09 20:51
#73
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Europe DRM7MD
+1🗑️
2020-06-09 20:53
#74
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Canada Unravel
+1
2020-06-09 20:54
+1
2020-06-09 21:00
+1
2020-06-09 21:01
#91
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Denmark Notallama
+1
2020-06-09 23:41
Everyone +1ing this comment doesn't think they fall under any of those lol
2020-06-10 02:40
yes, you are the true intelligent one out of everyone here. well done, sir.
2020-06-10 05:14
I never insinuated that I didn't fall under any of those categories whereas a +1 is agreeing to what was said. Then again I never claimed to be apart of one either. What I should have said is everyone +1ing that believes they're any better and is delusional
2020-06-10 05:27
well done, sir.
2020-06-10 05:29
#134
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Brazil Jontsz
well done, sir.
2020-06-10 17:17
#140
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Sweden wyv0
well done, sir.
2020-06-10 17:21
#289
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Finland Palomies
well done, sir.
2020-06-11 09:41
#192
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Estonia mr_abdul
?? Trump = not me Hillary = not me Biden = not me US politics = no i'm a human Far left = nah fuck commies Far right = ain't a nazi nt You = didn't create the thread so not me Its really easy not to be any of those but whatever, good chance that most who +1d, are not far left / right
2020-06-10 18:15
What I meant was what was stated in #114
2020-06-10 22:07
Imagine feeling the need to categorize everyone and everything into self-approved boxes of political views and not seeing how this sort of thinking is batshit crazy
2020-06-10 20:30
I meant what I said in #114
2020-06-10 22:08
facts
2020-06-10 05:38
#121
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Germany Bier
faxxxxxx
2020-06-10 09:33
#130
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Germany Enlay
+11111111111
2020-06-10 17:13
+0.5 because you forgot Obama and Bernie
2020-06-10 17:26
Centrists like you who doesn't have any opinion in anything and just says "iAm jUsT bEiNg oBjEcTiVe, bOtH sIdEs aRe bAd sO i HaVe nO oPiNiOn oN aNyThInG" = 🗑️
2020-06-10 18:17
+1111
2020-06-10 18:28
+1 USA = 🗑️ USA USA USA
2020-06-10 19:13
Trump = 😎 Hillary = 🗑️ Biden = 🗑️ US politics = 🗑️ Far left = 🗑️ Far right = 😎😎 Me = 😎😎😎 Fix'd
2020-06-10 19:29
can you put bolsonaro too. thanks
2020-06-10 20:10
#262
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Germany ppgod_
+1
2020-06-10 20:34
#267
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Germany K3v1
+2
2020-06-10 20:37
+1 danish people are smart
2020-06-10 20:38
+1
2020-06-10 21:28
ahaha loooooooooooooooooooooool
2020-06-11 10:14
equivalent of not being racist because i have black friend
2020-06-09 20:02
Hes done more for the Black community than anyone before him. Especially obama
2020-06-09 20:02
#5
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CIS cardison
obama say once : i arent black this makeup source : me men
2020-06-09 20:03
xD
2020-06-09 20:27
If you count starting a race war as "done more" then you are right
2020-06-09 20:30
Protest/riots where half of the people are white Race war Choose one
2020-06-09 21:01
actually a majority of black lives matter is made up of white people, which makes sense given america is 68% white lol
2020-06-09 23:44
I mean Obama made Libya a failed state where there is now massive amounts of slavery, so yeah technically speaking Obama has made more slavery than any other president since it was abolished.
2020-06-09 23:43
Lol. Trump had plenty of time to fix it already but he did not, so he must support this slavery very strongly.
2020-06-10 18:06
We voted Trump because we got tired of trying to fix other countries which is how Libya got its slave market in the first place. Now Libya has its slave market but thanks to Trump at least Iran doesn't too.
2020-06-10 18:36
Lol literally something done before he was made president and some how it's his fault, good job retard you're clearly too dumb to even be talking about politics.
2020-06-10 18:36
Its like saying if theres been active rape going on in white house before his time, its not his fault if its still going on 4 years later. You must be a complete retard with very low iq and low level of energy.
2020-06-11 11:15
Ahahahahahaahahaha
2020-06-10 09:33
worse: not even a friend but "a black guy works for me"
2020-06-09 20:51
#206
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Sweden sesar
more like "I gave a black man an opportunity that no other black person has ever gotten."
2020-06-10 18:39
more like: "this is the token black guy for optics"
2020-06-10 20:24
"i cant be racist cus i have black friend" well if ur racist why would you be friend with black person?
2020-06-09 20:56
they think that they control their black friend for shit
2020-06-10 05:40
Still waiting for actual proof of Trump being racist towards blacks and hispanics.... not just cry cry cry from leftists
2020-06-09 20:03
+1
2020-06-09 20:04
there is nothing bad at being nationalist. he just prefers American people ( white, black ,hispanic and arab), you known those who are allowed to in America.HE is not against migration. TRUMP agains illegal migration ( i see nothing bad about it )
2020-06-09 20:11
damm i was born in america but since im japanese i guess im not part of the american people feels bad
2020-06-09 20:25
??????????????? should have typed etc . my bad
2020-06-09 20:37
lul hes married to a once illegal immigrant xD
2020-06-09 20:31
moving the goal post...
2020-06-09 20:52
+1 me and my family spent 5 years waiting to get into the USA, we now are here and made the most of our opportunity. These illegal immigrants think they have the right to skip the line and demand that the country receive them and on top of that the country take care of them. Of course not all, but that's 90% of illegals I've met. And I've met a lot (I work as a translator from english to spanish in a hospital)
2020-06-09 23:40
exactly people dont understand that illegal immigration fucks the people like you who did it the right way. People are just retarded and see it as racism.
2020-06-10 18:11
+1 Thank you for coming the right way, glad to have you in the USA
2020-06-10 19:23
i'm glad to be here. i love CO but its such a shithole dude, no opportunity to move up in life. here in US so many chances. Of course, IL fucks me with all the taxes, but what can ya do?
2020-06-10 19:55
citing wikipedia as a source is a big yikes no matter what you're trying to prove
2020-06-09 20:29
#49
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United States _Nohj
you know Wikipedia cites their sources too right?
2020-06-09 20:38
Wikipedia is governed by leftists though
2020-06-09 20:57
2020-06-09 21:03
Clown
2020-06-10 09:34
Uninformed idiot.
2020-06-10 15:18
Wikipedia DOES have some bias towards democratic views, in some subjects. In immigration topics, it is more slanted towards republican views though. But overall, yes, wikipedia's less edited/reviewed articles are more biased towards democratic values. The more read wikipedia articles that have been reviewed/edited more often are very objective though. Regardless, I don't understand what that has to do with anything in this context. It is an article, hinting towards Donald Trump being racist and providing several tweets/statements at rallys/interviews that hint to him being racist. It provides proof of it too. If someone linked me a Fox News article that said "Racial views of Joe Biden" and it literally showed tweets of his statements, videos of his statements etc, it's not like I would go "Fox news is right wing, I can't trust the literal video of Joe Biden saying x at his rally to be true. And I can't trust the literal link to his tweet saying x to be true."
2020-06-10 18:51
the problem with a lot of news articles than are opiniated/ biased is they always paraphrase, misquote, join two quotes together that are about different things and slant words people say, on both sides. I wish they'd just quote complete sentences/paragraphs rather than using I hate.... x.. people.
2020-06-10 21:26
you ever seen any legitimate paper or study cite wikipedia? ya me neither
2020-06-09 21:32
What are you talking about my dude? Have you ever been to wikipedia lmao? There are plenty of studies cited as sources, EVEN IN THE FUCKING WIKIPEDIA LINK THE GUY YOU REPLIED TO SENT. Lmfao. And not everything requires some big fucking study to be cited as a source. Most of the things that hint toward Donald Trump being racist is tweets and statements he has made in interviews / at rallys. And in the wikipedia link you will literally see the fucking video source of it, the tweet links and shit. You must be really fucking dumb or blind.
2020-06-10 18:39
Read again, he means it the other way around, which makes it even dumber or one of the best baits I've seen in a long time
2020-06-10 19:39
Ohhh LMAO. Yeah.. probably a bait
2020-06-10 19:48
"feelings over facts"
2020-06-09 20:53
Wikipedia is more reliable than most news outlets, in particular biased outlets like Fox and CNN. This article lists lots of well documented quotes, and all you can say is "Fake News" - like Trump whenever something unpleants comes up.
2020-06-10 18:12
#145
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Sweden wyv0
Patriotism = / = Racism
2020-06-10 17:22
I've a lot of complaints regarding this article. It's very, very politically biased.
2020-06-10 20:40
yikes
2020-06-09 20:08
expected brainwash from swedistani
2020-06-09 23:41
+1
2020-06-10 04:09
Leftists are the biggest racists. They said Black people are stupid when they didn't vote for Bernie
2020-06-09 20:05
#10
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North America Swboy1010
And they only see people for their color and sexuality not their personality.
2020-06-09 20:06
why u rekt them like that
2020-06-09 20:07
#12
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North America Swboy1010
Becuase I can lol.
2020-06-09 20:08
LEFTISTS ARE INTERNALIZED RACISTS noobs
2020-06-09 20:09
No, Trump cuck
2020-06-09 20:12
who cares, all know that white ppl even as slayers are better
2020-06-09 20:24
eastern europe checks out
2020-06-10 20:41
lmao you actually fell for this stunt? Trump truly is king of the morons
2020-06-09 20:26
stunt?
2020-06-09 20:27
yes. trump having racial problems. "lemme hire a black guy so they think i'm not racist" - morons: omg! he's not racist. everyone else: *eye roll*
2020-06-09 20:28
nominated in march but ya he prolly can see the future ya?
2020-06-09 20:30
you think trump doesn't care about black perception in an election year?
2020-06-09 20:30
i think you assume a lot of stuff without any actual factual basis around it because you're emotional and dont have a good argument just a lot of ad hominem
2020-06-09 20:31
lmao you literally just launched into an ad hominem attack (dodging my question btw)
2020-06-09 20:32
here's what i think then: every single politician only cares about black people when it's an election year (source: trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=to..https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=black%20lives%20matter what trump did was nominate a black man for a position. yes it was likely for political benefit, never said it wasn't. but this was not a response to any of the racial issues currently plaguing the US. so your idea that this was a response to racial problems is based only on the fact that you think Trump is bad, yet you don't seem to care that every single politician on either side of the aisle does this same stuff every 4 years
2020-06-09 20:34
good, so you agree with me then hit me with *whataboutism* who gives a shit, stick to the topic
2020-06-09 20:34
i dont agree with you. you said trump did this as a reaction to racial tensions. that's not what happened at all but you don't care you are pushing your narrative
2020-06-09 20:35
you actually can't stop projecting, it's cute
2020-06-09 20:37
run out of actual facts now you're trying to weasel out of it I see. continue being a sheep buddy have a good day and work on facts over feelings:)
2020-06-09 20:37
check #41. same shit. he ran out of arguments and starts talking shit
2020-06-09 20:38
I saw 41 he's smarter than you are too lol
2020-06-09 20:39
he has 500iq bro
2020-06-09 20:39
i have about 5 min of patience for cult members sry
2020-06-09 20:39
cult members you say? imgur.com/gallery/ZyaCXYt
2020-06-09 20:41
yeah. that's political theater too. when you aren't a brainwashed political cuck you can call it how you see it
2020-06-09 20:41
i called it all political theater as well in #37 but you're too dumb to read that or what's up?
2020-06-09 20:42
you literally denied agreeing with me in #40. now you do agree with me? fuck, you're exhausting
2020-06-09 20:43
I said I do not agree with your comment saying trump did this as a reaction to racial tensions. please read it's gonna make looking smart a lot easier. I do agree that this was probably part of a political ploy, but it has nothing to do with racial tensions like you said in your original comment. reading is important. please work on it
2020-06-09 20:47
2020-06-09 20:58
these cunts went full retard while ago m8, dont waste ure time xD
2020-06-10 02:15
<3
2020-06-10 02:33
af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2099.. he was nominated on march 2. leftists: CRY CRY CRY
2020-06-09 20:31
election YEAR
2020-06-09 20:33
xd always excuses. pbs.org/newshour/nation/trump-signs-exec.. 2017 was also election year? what excuse are you gonna use now? im curious.
2020-06-09 20:34
bro, i'm not going to go back from 2020 to 2016 with you i have actual shit i need to do. this was political theater. you got played. grow up
2020-06-09 20:36
xd lost argument = "grow up"
2020-06-09 20:37
lmao, imagine thinking arguments are things to be *won* or *lost* like sports
2020-06-09 20:38
+1 he has about 2 lines and then he runs out of things to say
2020-06-09 20:38
you two morons gonna start a support group?
2020-06-09 20:39
ur upset buddy
2020-06-09 20:39
literally chuckling at your predictable trumptard responses
2020-06-09 20:44
2020-06-09 20:46
not scrolling, gonna go have coffee. you kids enjoy browsing r/donald with the rest of your support group
2020-06-09 20:46
scrolling up one comment too hard? not surprised. r/autism is ready for you to become a mod
2020-06-09 20:48
stop bro he's already dead
2020-06-10 05:12
+1 idiots cant see these obvious tricks
2020-06-09 20:31
i'm not racist, i have a black friend!
2020-06-10 02:22
haha
2020-06-10 02:32
Literally the logic at play here
2020-06-10 02:34
sounds like liberals to me tbh, trump won like 5% of the black vote he really don't need their votes that bad, he wants to get achievements (first this, first that) to flex. trump doesnt really care how people see him as long as he can flex his "accomplishments". atleast hes not a huge snake like most politicians
2020-06-10 21:29
Not a huge snake?
2020-06-11 17:27
+1 shows the average iq of hltv users
2020-06-10 09:36
#34
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United States DiabIo
leftist have to weaponize racism accusations because in a factual debate they lose
2020-06-09 20:32
+1
2020-06-09 20:47
#64
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North America Swboy1010
And what’s ironic most of the lefty’s that care about politics are white people while the black lefty’s don’t usually care about it unless something actually affects their community. Which in this George Floyd incident did.
2020-06-09 20:47
LUL
2020-06-09 20:53
#94
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Denmark Notallama
Then it's quite ironic that your generalizing statement isn't actually factual.
2020-06-09 23:49
why would you care about us politics unless youre fakeflagging
2020-06-09 20:50
#69
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North America Swboy1010
I never said I cared about politics my guy I just used an example.
2020-06-09 20:52
He is 0 iq
2020-06-09 20:59
Trump is the the new martin luther king /closed
2020-06-09 21:01
leftists wont explain because they stupid
2020-06-09 21:03
and ignorant.
2020-06-09 21:03
he is ni**er, but he hides it ,why do you think he is orange?
2020-06-09 21:17
trump is the only person that calls them african americans, everyone else. obama, clinton, biden all say black people. and u think, hes racist? he's just not fucking with the george soros army, that is ruining city after city in black hoodies.
2020-06-09 23:52
Trump says nothing: "OMG racist I knew he doesnt care about black ppl" Trump says the high crime rate is the fault of the black community: "OMG racist" Trump appoints black person to important position: "OMG racist hes just doing it to pretend hes not racist" No matter what he does or says the response will always be ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!!!
2020-06-10 02:26
#108
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Denmark Notallama
I think the big deal-breaker is the fact that he needs to announce something like that as to portray that he isn't a racist even though it should be normal fucking practice to appoint the most qualified personnel regardless of race and to not make a big deal out of it? The timing, the holier-than-thou attitude and in general taking his previous borderline racist remarks into consideration, how is it so unfathomable to you why people are not buying it? I guess common sense and critical thinking is hard nowadays.
2020-06-10 04:05
"borderline racist remarks" pls give me 1 example. Its funny how everyone says Trump is racist without ever giving even one example. (being against illegal immigration isnt racist btw) I dont even like Trump but hes less racist than the left and their identity politics telling black people they are not real blacks if they dont vote biden. Trump has been a public figure all his life, yet people only started calling him racist after he ran for republicans. Could it maybe be that the media just calls everyone they dont like racist, sexist and all the other buzzwords till everyone eventually believes hes racist and sexist?
2020-06-10 05:03
#119
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Denmark Notallama
2020-06-10 09:29
first link : complaining about him saying "shith*ole countries" wow very racist nt second link: he never called all mexicans rapists he said theres a lot of criminals coming illegally (murderers and rapists) nt again third link: the charlottesville protests started by tons of antifa and left extremists beating up peaceful protestors.. one(!!!!!!!!) crazy idiot decided to drive into a crowd.. so yes there was violence on both sides Then linking a wikipedia who cites sources just like the 3 above lmao Any real racist remarks or just some more left newspapers taking stuff out of context? If he said something racist it wouldnt be hard to find it on twitter or him saying it on video? Once again, typical leftist response citing left media because to lazy to do any research yourself. Nice try though.
2020-06-10 17:10
#127
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Denmark Notallama
If you actually knew how to read you would also notice that I wrote BORDERLINE racist remarks. You're having an argument with yourself dumbo.
2020-06-10 17:12
How is any of those things you cited even close to being borderline racist? lmao When somebody citing thehill is calling you dumbo.. just make it stop
2020-06-10 17:13
#132
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Denmark Notallama
Just the first link I found, it was covered by the major news sources. The white house replied and didn't deny the report. I'm not your mommy, you can look up things for yourself. Good luck with your edgelord agenda.
2020-06-10 17:15
HAHAHAHAHAHA So you have nothing? Yet you called him out for making borderline racist remarks. "I guess common sense and critical thinking is hard nowadays." LMAO every single time the same shit... you cant prove your claim and then say shit like "go look it up yourself" lmao
2020-06-10 17:18
#137
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Denmark Notallama
I already proved my claim. I couldn't care less that you "disapprove" of the sources or that you haven't actually seen the Tweets by yourself. Edgelord trumptards are eventually gonna call any evidence, sources or remarks FAKE NEWS anyways, so I don't really care.
2020-06-10 17:20
Where the fck did you prove your claim? hahaha I told you why every single one of the "racist remarks" you sent me were bullshit you clown.. Oh and now that you dont have any arguments left you start with ad hominem "Edgelord trumptards " and that i call everythign fake news ahhahaahahaha Why is it always the same... its like having a discussion with a 9 year old
2020-06-10 17:22
#148
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Denmark Notallama
It's like having an argument with a deeply disturbed edgelord 15 year old who have absolutely no clue on politics whatsoever. Since we're talking about strawman, you didn't even touch on my main argument in #108 and instead went right into defending Trump as if I called him a racist, which I literally didn't. I wrote that he made borderline racist remarks, which is completely undebatable.
2020-06-10 17:24
"The timing, the holier-than-thou attitude and in general taking his previous borderline racist remarks into consideration, how is it so unfathomable to you why people are not buying it?" If you make an argument based on a false claim I will of course tell you that your argument is bullshit so wheres the strawman? " I wrote that he made borderline racist remarks, which is completely undebatable." Undebateable but you cant prove it HAHHAHAHAHA
2020-06-10 17:26
#153
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Denmark Notallama
Already did.
2020-06-10 17:28
where my friend?
2020-06-10 17:28
#155
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Denmark Notallama
#119 You can also look it up for yourself and come back to me and see if you find anything. Oh wait, you DON'T want to find it, because it would ruin your agenda and make you feel like a lesser person (which you are anyways).
2020-06-10 17:29
If you say the earth is flat and cite me 3 sources. I look at the sources and tell you why they are wrong. Then you go ahead and say just do your own research i already sent you evidence... Thats exactly how youre arguing right now
2020-06-10 17:30
#158
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Denmark Notallama
2020-06-10 17:32
Hes calling the government of the countries those congresswomen came from corrupt and crime infested.. Do you think thats untrue? What exactly do you disagree about? What about this is borderline racist?
2020-06-10 17:36
lol
2020-06-10 17:37
#163
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Denmark Notallama
One of the congresswomen were born in New York and another in Puerto Rico. Last I checked, both are US territories. He told two minority US-born citizens to "go back to their countries". If you can't accept that is borderline racist, then I'm just gonna go ahead and close it here. I won.
2020-06-10 17:39
Ilhan Omar - born in somalia... functioning country right? Rashida Tlaib - parents came from palestine The other one from puerto rico (Which is technically us but is a bit different from the main land) "Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." So they are non stop criticising the government of the us while enjoying their lives there (because its much better than the countries they or their parents immigrated from) and he tells them to go back and fix those countries first instead of criticising everything about the us ... maybe makes him an asshole but how is that racist? Do you even know the definition of racism? "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." How did he do any of that? "If you cant accept my opinion youre wrong and you lost " lmao
2020-06-10 17:48
#168
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Denmark Notallama
Once again you seem to imply that I called him a racist, having another little autistic argument with yourself. Not sure whether I should just let you continue arguing with yourself and leave you be, you seem to be severely disturbed.
2020-06-10 17:50
"borderline racist remarks" just answer how this is bordeline racist then
2020-06-10 17:51
#173
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Denmark Notallama
Because he was blatantly attacking the congresswomen for their ethnicity rather than their political arguments, in a country founded by immigrants. Rather simple isn't it?
2020-06-10 17:52
"funded by immigrants" yeah almost 300 years ago Yeah but the reason he made it about ethnicity is because they were basically saying how shitty and racist america is (especially for ppl from other countries) and how it is the white ppls fault... So he didnt make it about ethnicity for no reason.. If you are so discriminated and hate the us why dont you go to the country you migrated from and make politics there?
2020-06-10 18:02
nice facts and logic there dude HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
2020-06-10 18:04
What about it dont you agree with then? Go ahead and show me all your knowledge you aquired from reading your favourite newspaper every single day and repeating everything they say
2020-06-10 18:07
If you are so discriminated and hate the us why dont you go to the country you migrated from and make politics there? ironic
2020-06-10 18:08
what about it is ironic?
2020-06-10 18:09
lmao /close
2020-06-10 18:10
so your arguments consist of "HAHAHAAh" , "lmao" and "ironic" Daaaaaamn high iq shit right there how am i supposed to come back
2020-06-10 18:11
i dont need arguments when youre being a hypocrite.
2020-06-10 18:12
You didnt answer what about it was hypocritical. All youre doing is writing "AHAHAHAHA". I would expect such reactions from a kid in school without any knowledge or arguments
2020-06-10 18:15
You hate the country you migrated to ... hmm what would be an easy solution?
2020-06-10 18:09
cant press reply on the other one so... you literally say the same thing word for word as trump does while accusin others of only repeating what they read in newspapers. sorry but theres really no point in arguing with you. way to look like a clown.
2020-06-10 18:22
I didnt use any of the words trump used wtf are you even talking about? I was citing what he said for context lmao Dude you either act stupid because youre to deep into your ideology or youre just simply low iq.. pls tell me your highest grade of education im sure that will shine light on everything
2020-06-10 18:25
citing? CITING? jesus christ. im done here lmao
2020-06-10 18:27
sYou said I repeated trumps words 1 for one which i dindnt unless you mean the parts where i citing from his tweets which i wrote in "". Also why ignore my question about education mr schoolkid leftist xd
2020-06-10 18:30
#178
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Denmark Notallama
I neither hate the US, nor do I live there. I'm also not a leftist, so I'm afraid you're all out of edgelord arguments.
2020-06-10 18:05
Whos talking about you? What is this strawmen? Im talking about the congresswomen. "I'm afraid you're all out of edgelord arguments." im afraid you are since you made another strawman instead of commenting on what i said
2020-06-10 18:09
#193
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Denmark Notallama
Yeahwell, barely reading what you write at this point tbh. Your low intelligence is incredibly boring, and you're not the type of person that would ever admit anything at all, because you're a lesser person in general. Hf
2020-06-10 18:16
Oh damn you really got me. So you didnt make any good argument nor could you prove your claim instead you linked to the most leftist shit sources you found and repeated exactly what it said. intelligence btw lmao Remember what you said about critical thinking in your first post? A lesser person?? Dude u just lost this whole argument and did nothing but create strawmans, ad hominem "edge trumpkid" and ignored my responses complety hahaha
2020-06-10 18:19
But good for you you think you won that argument (In case you really do) I just really hope that youre some kid who doesnt know better and not some sheep in or after uni
2020-06-10 18:20
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2020-06-10 17:50
I really like your arguments bro😎👍
2020-06-10 17:52
ok clown hahahahahahahah keep it going im having a great time.
2020-06-10 17:52
damn even better argument! love it when those leftists just come at me with all their facts and logic 😎👍
2020-06-10 17:53
reply to the other dude... and show your fAcTs anD LoGiC
2020-06-10 17:55
nice reply.. I just hope you know yourself that you abolutely lost this argument and have no evidence on anything you said.. maybe think about why you even preserved him as borderline racist in the first place without being able to cite one single source of him saying something like that.
2020-06-10 17:30
#159
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Denmark Notallama
Lost absolutely nothing here, except for a few billions braincells by giving you any sort of attention.
2020-06-10 17:32
Sorry but im afraid there wasnt much to lose to begin with. Your arguments are weak af and you still couldnt prove the first claim you made. I can only guess the highest level of education you have is highschool..
2020-06-10 17:37
#164
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Denmark Notallama
Yeah ad hominem arguments are a sign of a truly educated individual.
2020-06-10 17:40
You started with the ad hominems and then you call me out for calling you uneducated.. lmao you cant make this shit up
2020-06-10 17:50
It's always the same with these ignorant leftists
2020-06-10 17:12
#131
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Denmark Notallama
"Everyone who disagrees with my ignorant view is a leftist" Lmao
2020-06-10 17:14
I didnt just disagree I asked you to provide evidence for your claim that he made "borderline racist remarks". And you couldnt.
2020-06-10 17:16
#135
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Denmark Notallama
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Do.. Your attempt at saving face is extremely bad. Better luck next time.
2020-06-10 17:17
Why do i have to work through 100 sources of a wikipedia in the first place? YOU said he made borderline racist remarks, yet YOU cant cite even ONE of them out of your head... So why even say it in the first place? Oh wait could it be that you just think hes racist because you read it in your favorite newspaper every day without actually having any evidence or example?
2020-06-10 17:20
#141
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Denmark Notallama
Why? Because you are the one who apparently don't know your shit. READ TO GET SMARTER. Then you might eventually end up having a slight clue on politics as well.
2020-06-10 17:21
How do I dont know shit? Dude prove the fucking claim you made. If you cant you lost the argument simple as that. Give me ONE .. JUST FUCKING ONE video or tweet of him saying something borderline racist... i wait
2020-06-10 17:23
#149
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Denmark Notallama
Already did.
2020-06-10 17:24
He already did, you absolute dumb motherfucker. Do you know what YOU replied to him when he provided you with PLENTY of examples of Donald Trump's questionable remarks? You said, and I quote "Why do i have to work through 100 sources of a wikipedia in the first place?" Well, you ASKED HIM FOR A FUCKING SOURCE, YOU ABSOLUTE BRAINDEAD HUMAN BEING. What the fuck? The mental gymnastics on you is un fucking real. Listen, I have a suggestion for you. I guess you are right-wing. That's fine. But honestly bro, I am saying this for the right-wing movements sake, don't make any more comments in any discussions. Legit. You are making the right-wing movement look really fucking bad. You probably made more people left-wing than right-wing, after they read your comments.
2020-06-10 19:02
Wow another intellectual. Ive proven the 3 sources he linked me wrong. I wont go ahead and prove some guys 100 wikipedia sources wrong. Why would I? If he claims he has made borderline racist remarks then HE has to prove that claim. And theres gotta be some incident where he though to himself okay that guy is racist otherwise he just went with the narrative oh i heard many racist things. I can link you a compilation of 100s of "proofs" that the earth is flat. And if you dont go through every single one of them and prove them wrong it actually is flat?! What fkn logic is that? I told him to give me ONE just ONE example of a racist tweet or speech and he couldnt.
2020-06-10 19:10
Except the flat earth "proofs" are conspiracy theories. What he is linking in that wikipedia article, is literally direct links, to Trump tweets that are borderline racist. It also links to videos of borderline racist statements, interview statements that are borderline racist etc.
2020-06-10 19:46
No it doesn't
2020-06-10 19:46
Then what do you consider to be borderline racist statements? Someone saying the n-word? Anything less than that is not racist? Or what?
2020-06-10 19:47
Saying stuff like "some African countries" are shitholes is not racist.
2020-06-10 19:51
So interesting to see "Progressive" Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump on Twitter, July 14, 2019)[220][221][222]
2020-06-10 20:02
Does somalia have a functioning government? Is the government in somalia corrupt? Does somalia have a high crime rate?
2020-06-10 20:05
What does that have to with this? Alexandra Ocasio Cortez is first of all born in USA. She doesn't even have somalian heritage. You don't think it's fucking racist to tell someone, that is born in USA, that they should go back to their homecountries and that they can't tell what to do in USA because their ancestors are from another country? Even though they were born in USA and lived there for the entirety of their lives?
2020-06-10 20:16
"In 2012, controversy arose when it was charged that Senator Elizabeth Warren had used a claim of Native American ancestry early in her career to gain hiring preference.[159] Warren denies that she ever claimed to be a minority to secure employment, and a review of her employment history and interviews of her past employers has been unable to find anything that supports the charge.[160] Picking up on the controversy, Trump has frequently referred to her as "Pocahontas", including at a White House event where he addressed Native American veterans who served in the US military during World War II."
2020-06-10 20:05
The U.S. Department of Justice concluded that Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio oversaw the worst pattern of racial profiling in U.S. history.[123] The illegal tactics that he was using included "extreme racial profiling and sadistic punishments that involved the torture, humiliation, and degradation of Latino inmates".[124] The DoJ filed suit against him for unlawful discriminatory police conduct. He ignored their orders and was subsequently convicted of contempt of court for continuing to racially profile Hispanics. Calling him "a great American patriot", President Trump pardoned him soon afterwards, even before sentencing took place.[125][126][127] House speaker Paul Ryan, and both Arizona senators, John McCain and Jeff Flake, were critical of Trump's decision.[128][129][130]
2020-06-10 20:09
In June 2017, Trump called together a staff meeting to complain about the number of immigrants who had entered the country since his inauguration. The New York Times reported that two officials at the meeting state that when Trump read off a sheet stating that 15,000 persons had visited from Haiti, he commented, "They all have AIDS," and when reading that 40,000 persons had visited from Nigeria, he said that after seeing America the Nigerians would never "go back to their huts." Both officials who heard Trump's statements relayed them to other staff members at the time, but the White House has denied that Trump used those words and some of the other officials present claim not to remember them being used.[120] (There is no video evidence or white house statement confessing this though)
2020-06-10 20:11
Trump reportedly said...... Theres no proof he actually said "They all have AIDS" and the white house denies it.
2020-06-10 20:26
I explicitly made that clear in the end of the comment. But it's still alarming.
2020-06-10 20:32
Alarming that someone said Trump said something... more alarming to me that people still believe this stuff after all the misrepresentations and lies before
2020-06-10 20:35
It's not like it's someone on the street who said Trump said something either lmao. It's 2 white house officials.
2020-06-10 20:37
During the campaign Trump was found to have retweeted the main influencers of the #WhiteGenocide movement over 75 times, including twice that he retweeted a user with the handle @WhiteGenocideTM.[93] Trump also falsely claimed that, "African American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever, ever, ever,"[94]
2020-06-10 20:13
What he retweeted matters not who its from. When a man that i absolutely dont agree with politically says :" violence is bad" on twitter and i retweet it does it mean i agree with any other of his politics or just with this sentence?
2020-06-10 20:24
In 2013, the State of New York filed a $40 million civil suit against Trump University alleging that the company had made false statements and defrauded consumers.[77][78] Two class-action civil lawsuits were also filed naming Trump personally as well as his companies.[79] During the presidential campaign, Trump criticized Judge Gonzalo P. Curiel who oversaw those two cases, alleging bias in his rulings because of his Mexican heritage.[80][81] Trump said that Curiel would have "an absolute conflict" due to his Mexican heritage which led to accusations of racism.[82] Speaker of the House and a Trump supporter, Republican Paul Ryan commented, "I disavow these comments. Claiming a person can't do the job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment. I think that should be absolutely disavowed. It's absolutely unacceptable."[83]
2020-06-10 20:13
He said he might be biased due to his mexican heritage? How is that racist? The way the media portraits trump im sure there are lots of mexicans that are pretty biased towards trump
2020-06-10 20:22
So what, should a african american president not be able to judge african americans because of having ancestors that lived in Africa? LMAO Should white judges not be able to judge white people?
2020-06-10 20:25
Trying hard to understand but this makes no sense.
2020-06-10 20:28
You make no sense of trumps claim or my comment?
2020-06-10 20:32
your comment... who is the president judging? why would white people only judge white people?????
2020-06-10 20:34
What? Trump criticized a judge for having mexican heritage which he said could make him biased. My point is, all judges have some fucking heritage. What does their heritage have to do with their job?
2020-06-10 20:36
Just to list a few that wikipedia cites as "racist": Trump saying "chinese virus" Trump saying "shithole countries" Trump saying its disrespectful to do the knee thing during the anthem Trump criticising immigration in europe Trump criticising Puerto rico for not dealing well with hurricane maria Do i really have to go on checking everything it says if half of it already isnt even close to being racist?
2020-06-10 20:01
Ur wasting your time with these radicals
2020-06-10 20:15
Dude, the mental gymnastics on you is fucking insane. you ask the guy for the source to Trumps borderline racist remarks, he provides you with, your quote "100 sources on wikipedia". Then you say "why should I have to read through all those sources, you cant cite them out in your head so you must think hes racist because you read your favorite newspaper everyday without having any evidence". Are you actually fucking retarded dude? He legit linked you the fucking evidence IN THE VERY REPLY BEFORE YOU. LEGIT. FUCKING PLENTY OF QUESTIONABLE STATEMENTS THAT TRUMP HAS MADE. SOURCED AND EVERYTHING. What the fuck is wrong with you?
2020-06-10 18:58
Wtf are you talking about? Do you even understand English?
2020-06-10 17:20
#142
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Denmark Notallama
Weak comeback.
2020-06-10 17:21
Your response (#131) doesn't make sense.
2020-06-10 17:23
#165
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Denmark Notallama
It did since I'm not a "leftist". It's #128 that makes no sense.
2020-06-10 17:44
prove this other dude wrong and come up with an argument as to why it is justified to bring those peoples races up when trump is getting critizised? would he have said the same if it was a white person giving the same critics? doubt it. hes telling american citizens to go back to "their country". which is just... dumb. "Also why ignore my question about education mr schoolkid leftist xd" because it adds nothing to the discussion whatsoever. but since you asked... im a dumb leftist who studies gender science ;) expected from 17yo to change the topic btw.
2020-06-10 18:46
Nobody brought up their races just the country they migrated from. And i did say exactly why it isnt racist in the reply to that other guy.. "would he have said the same if it was a white person giving the same critics?" Who said anything about the color of their skin except for you? And yes probably since he was only talking of the country of their origin and not talking about anything race related. i didnt change the topic you didnt make any arguments except for "HAHA", "lmao" , "ironic" and then used more ad hominems.. And it does add something to the discussion, that is giving me an explanation to why you cant make any arguments and instead only type shit and still think youre in the right. "im a dumb leftist who studies gender science ;)" very not unexpected "expected from 17yo" If i bring up your highest education and call you school kid Im probably not in school anymore myself otherwise id be insulting myself so a VERY good comeback from you. Very intelligent person
2020-06-10 19:05
"If i bring up your highest education and call you school kid Im probably not in school anymore myself otherwise id be insulting myself so a VERY good comeback from you. Very intelligent person" yea everyone is truthful on the internet. im a dj 32k/month btw. "Nobody brought up their races just the country they migrated from. And i did say exactly why it isnt racist in the reply to that other guy.." whats the difference there? id really like to know. "And it does add something to the discussion, that is giving me an explanation to why you cant make any arguments and instead only type shit and still think youre in the right." no youre trying to get personal info so you can continue to insult and not deliver actual arguments. like you just did "Nobody brought up their races just the country they migrated from." its not an argument ure just trying to avoid it. ""im a dumb leftist who studies gender science ;)" very not unexpected" obviously sarcasm but its ok if you dont get it.
2020-06-10 19:13
"yea everyone is truthful on the internet. im a dj 32k/month btw." Calling someone a schoolkid as an insult whilst being a schoolkid myself still wouldnt make any sense. "whats the difference there? id really like to know." racism= "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." Saying that theres loads of corruption and crime in somalia/puerto rico is the truth and has nothing to do with the belief that whites are in any way superior. "no youre trying to get personal info so you can continue to insult and not deliver actual arguments. like you just did "Nobody brought up their races just the country they migrated from." its not an argument ure just trying to avoid it." You started using ad hominem and insult me. You never delivered any arguments in this conversation unless you count "lmao" as an argument. How is "Nobody brought up their races just the country they migrated from." avoiding anything. YOU are the only one who brought up race. Trump didnt say anything about race in his tweet. He said the countries have a high crime and corruption rate which is not only true but also doesnt have anything to do with beliefs of racial superiority. So wheres your argument? "obviously sarcasm but its ok if you dont get it." My reply was very not unexpected cmmon bruh you think i take everything some idiot says to me on hltv for a fact?
2020-06-10 19:25
"You started using ad hominem and insult me. You never delivered any arguments in this conversation unless you count "lmao" as an argument." ok lemme rephrase my argument so you might actually get it. why did he need to bring up their countries in the first place? its not like its the fault of those specific people that these countries are what they are. how can you not comprehend that argument? i dont get it. also countries are likely to be tied to ethnicity so yes... you are avoiding the argument. but i guess theres no argument good enough for you. and again... he couldnt and wouldnt have said the same thing if a white person critizised them this way. he would have had to come up with an actual argument but instead he goes with this hot take. clearly showing that he is not treating people equally. done. have a good day. edit: also never said it racist but its discriminating for sure
2020-06-10 19:37
"its not like its the fault of those specific people that these countries are what they are." like i ALREADY said. It made sense to bring it up since they talked about how shitty and discriminating america is and how the white people are at fault. "also countries are likely to be tied to ethnicity so yes... you are avoiding the argument." So youre saying the only reason those countries are what they are is because of race? Wouldnt that make you the actual racist? "he couldnt and wouldnt have said the same thing if a white person critizised them this way" aaaaand again confusing criticising a country whith race lmao You know that theres white people aswell right? If a british living in america said how shitty america is and how the white americans are at fault he couldve said the exact same thing. "edit: also never said it racist but its discriminating for sure" So what are you arguing about then in the first place? lmao The whole discussion was about the "borderline racist remarks" trump supposedly made. So if youre saying it wasnt racist anyways then you agree with me
2020-06-10 19:53
"also countries are likely to be tied to ethnicity so yes... you are avoiding the argument." So youre saying the only reason those countries are what they are is because of race? Wouldnt that make you the actual racist? FaCtS aNd LoGiC bTw cya
2020-06-10 19:57
So much to avoiding arguments ahahhahahahaha
2020-06-10 20:02
i said what i needed to say. there will never be a conclusion to this discussion since you actually believe that making discrimintaing comments to former foreigners isnt borderline racist. like i said many times before he wouldnt have said the same thing to a white american citizen. still you never adressed this point. i dont need to counter any arguments anymore especially since you said what i cited in #233. shows how childish your and incoherent your "arguments" are.
2020-06-10 20:09
"like i said many times before he wouldnt have said the same thing to a white american citizen. Still you never adressed this point."You just said white before. Then i told you why race had nothing to do with any of it. And no of course he wouldnt be able to say it to an american(again skin color doesnt matter it could be an arican american aswell) who isnt a migrant because it wouldnt make any fkn sense?! Where would an american go back to?! i dont need to counter any arguments anymore especially since you said what i cited in #233. shows how childish your and incoherent your "arguments" are. ????????? just questionmarks for this... You didnt counter a single argument yet youre just avoiding everything im saying, whilst saying im avoiding your arguments like wtf?! Then you type shit like "FaCtS aNd LoGiC bTw" and call me childish?
2020-06-10 20:18
you started with facts and logic im just mocking you. "And no of course he wouldnt be able to say it to an american(again skin color doesnt matter it could be an arican american aswell) who isnt a migrant because it wouldnt make any fkn sense?! Where would an american go back to?!" no it cant be a black guy since then he wouldve said the same thing he tweeted. telling him to go back to "his" country. "i dont need to counter any arguments anymore especially since you said what i cited in #233. shows how childish your and incoherent your "arguments" are.?????????" you seem confused?! i dont get why though your logic is completely flawed there and if you dont know what i mean then theres very little i can do for you.
2020-06-10 20:27
"you started with facts and logic im just mocking you." "Im just mocking you" "youre childish!" dude if you wanna insult me instead of bringing any valid points go ahead keep your ad hominems but then dont pretend like im the childish one refusing to have a civil conversation lmao "no it cant be a black guy since then he wouldve said the same thing he tweeted. telling him to go back to "his" country." Making up what trump would say in your opinion.., what an argument .. "you seem confused?! i dont get why though your logic is completely flawed there and if you dont know what i mean then theres very little i can do for you." I am confused because youre talking nothing but trash while pretending you have not only the moral but also the intelectual highground while at the same time using nothing but strawmans and ad hominems and not actually reading and of the arguments im making. So theres actually very little you can do for me because you have 0 arguments and you dont get the most simple coherences
2020-06-10 20:33
"Making up what trump would say in your opinion.., what an argument .." well he actually said go back to your country to american citizens with non-white heritage so how am i making this stuff up? "I am confused because youre talking nothing but trash while pretending you have not only the moral but also the intelectual highground while at the same time using nothing but strawmans and ad hominems and not actually reading and of the arguments im making." you said maybe im a racist because ethnicity is most likely tied to countries. prove me wrong when i say youre 68% likely to be white when ure american. "and you dont get the most simple coherences" glad you learned a new word lol
2020-06-10 20:39
"well he actually said go back to your country to american citizens with non-white heritage so how am i making this stuff up? " Youre saying he would do that to african americans which he didnt so you made it up. The congresswomen he was talking about (most of them) migrated to the us. I said maybe youre the racist because on my argument that its the countries he called shitholes and not the race, you said that the countries are tied to the ethnicity. If he calls Somalia a shithole what does it say about a somalian citicen or their race? exactly nothing. "glad you learned a new word lol" Glad you still keep going after still not having any arguments, not being able to understand the points im making, contradicting yourself multiple times and using a bunch of logical fallacies
2020-06-10 20:49
"Youre saying he would do that to african americans which he didnt so you made it up. The congresswomen he was talking about (most of them) migrated to the us." again switching the topic instead of adressing the point i made which would be: "well he actually said go back to your country to american citizens with non-white heritage" "I said maybe youre the racist because on my argument that its the countries he called shitholes and not the race." so how am i racist then? wtf? coherence pls and again switching the topic instead of the actual point i made which would be (rephrased): theres no point in bringing up their countries in the first place if you want to dismantle criticism you gotta bring actual arguments instead of saying "you dont like it here go away". you never adress anything you just type stuff that has no relevance to my core points.
2020-06-10 21:23
"you never adress anything you just type stuff that has no relevance to my core points." you keep projecting on me what you yourself are doing lmao You cant even comprehend what im telling you.. Sorry but im done with this shit i told you like 20 times and you keep talking complete nonsense not going in on any of the points im making and then acting like its the other way round lmao
2020-06-10 21:52
you failed to understand racism, please try again
2020-06-10 05:11
#118
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Canada ZHF
I'm a sick fuck, I like a quick fuck I like my dick sucked, I'll buy you a sick truck I'll buy you some new tits, I'll get you that nip-tuck How you start a family? The condom slipped up I'm a sick fuck, I'm inappropriate
2020-06-10 05:43
trump derangement syndrome is a real thing bro
2020-06-10 15:25
It's sadly not only about hating trump these days. It's about actually destroying America. No matter skin color, origins or political & religious beliefs.
2020-06-10 17:22
Trump never was racist. Today it should be obvious that people claim (but cannot prove) trump to be racist just that when they vote against him they can feel good about themselves. These same people do not really know SHIT about trumps politics or about that persons politics who is against him. They just need a reason. Democracy is dead.
2020-06-10 18:15
Leftism is cancer
2020-06-10 19:08
trump is racist, that doesnt mean anything, it actually just makes him look like he is trying hard to prove that he is not racist when many times in his interviews and speeches it's so clear that he is racist. USA is honestly such a sad country tbh. imagine having a retarded racist orange skin as your president.... what a shame
2020-06-10 18:34
Why do you think he is racist?
2020-06-10 19:07
the way he talks about mexicans for exemple, just for that, i consider him extremely racist. but many more reasons, many many more. sorry i rly cant be fucked to start this conversation, believe it or not. have a nice day
2020-06-11 01:28
he is look at some of his older tweets he hates immigrants and non-whites its obv
2020-06-11 10:09
Your proof that he is racist? Classic argument "many times in his speech" but show me a single speech where he said something racist 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ Being 0 iq must be painful.
2020-06-10 19:19
nope i dont have to explain it, i have seen him talk, i ve seen his behaviour towards mexicans and emmigrants and i dont have to be here posting stuff that he said just to prove my point. if u think trump is actually not racist than yea being oiq must rly be painful
2020-06-11 01:17
sometimes I wonder if there actually are people just full-time baiting on HLTV
2020-06-11 09:13
There are but not this guy. He's just ignorant and a dumb leftist
2020-06-11 09:36
not baiting at all. sad u cant understand, i wonder if u live in the states as well. there are many ppl like you there
2020-06-11 16:14
his hate speach not prove enough ?
2020-06-11 10:10
link me show me
2020-06-11 10:12
twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11503.. the deputy's had no known migration background so he was directly referring to they skin color how is that not racist ?
2020-06-11 10:28
Wtf are you talking about
2020-06-11 10:36
stfu delusions trump supporter keep believing his lies
2020-06-11 10:39
#248
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Sweden wyv0
Believing something so much doesnt mean that it's true. Much like religion.
2020-06-10 20:15
i have seen him. do i have to get his phrases and get u links when he is extremely racist? go find that yourself, there's plenty on internet.
2020-06-11 01:18
yeah cant belive how trump supporters believe a single word he is saying he is known lier just abusing the fear of people for his benefit
2020-06-11 10:33
#306
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Sweden wyv0
kekekeke trump supporters
2020-06-11 17:58
#273
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Russia goodjob
you have negative iq
2020-06-10 20:52
ok i never had an iq test but if u say so..... thanks for your honesty!
2020-06-11 01:20
"you have negative iq" haha i doubt he is the one with low iq here
2020-06-11 10:12
His first daughter is married to a Jew His second daughter is engaged to a Muslim Trump racist no. The biggest racist Democrats
2020-06-10 19:02
another black face , so what?
2020-06-10 19:12
shut the f up, hahaha this is like when someone says "i got black friends i CANT even be SLIGHLTY racist" xDD
2020-06-10 20:12
Smacdown .
2020-06-10 20:33
Trump tweeted that four congresswomen of color should "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." Three of the four women were born in the United States. The fourth is a naturalized American citizen. Communicating about the ethnics of someone you appoint seems to be a decoy to me. Does he do it when he appoint a white person? Shall I remind you the previous commander in chief of all US armies was an African American, so the first time appointed lower rank doesn't work really much.
2020-06-11 01:36
nop
2020-06-11 10:00
How dumb are you? Trump does everything he needs to get power / money. This is the perfect nomination to make dumb people happy cause they have no brains to think beyond. Trump is not dumb, he uses people.
2020-06-11 10:06
he still is just a fact
2020-06-11 10:07
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