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Jamppi Lawsuit
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Denmark Treogtredive 
dbltap.com/posts/valve-responds-to-jampp.. Poggers, he wants 300.000$ and being unbanned. Hope he wins.
2020-06-10 21:01
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aint gonna happen tho
2020-06-10 21:02
300k for what? For cheating XDDDD
2020-06-10 21:02
51 replies
"Jamppi's suit seeks compensation of roughly $300,000 in damages"
2020-06-10 21:03
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#9
Jamppi | 
Finland Owava
yeah, 300K of lost salary from unfinished OG deal
2020-06-10 21:04
18 replies
If he didn't cheating in the past, he may play rn in og
2020-06-10 21:06
16 replies
If you didnt writing in the forums, you may have time for learning english.
2020-06-11 02:48
10 replies
#120
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United States fowlyz
lmao good one
2020-06-11 10:30
pogger
2020-06-11 16:19
+1
2020-06-11 16:23
+1
2020-06-11 19:31
got em
2020-06-13 18:46
#348
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Portugal mrsc
rekt
2020-06-14 05:35
oof
2020-06-14 12:33
actually, most time not spent on forums is used on fapping/gaming usually, I dont think learning english would be a priority for him at this stage of his life.
2020-06-15 15:57
1 reply
Lmao
2020-06-17 07:59
rekt
2020-06-15 18:37
If you would read the article you wouldn't look like moron.
2020-06-11 10:18
#241
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Switzerland NAjKON
ence>og
2020-06-11 19:28
2 replies
If ence without jamppi?
2020-06-11 19:31
1 reply
#282
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Finland OGx
if og jamppi with
2020-06-11 21:49
#329
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World Beard43
+1
2020-06-12 16:56
#537
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Poland bot_taz
so what is up with this shit mr cheater fanboi?
2020-06-16 02:08
so does it means that he want 300k for cheating? cuz I don't understand
2020-06-10 21:05
25 replies
Well, like #9 said, i believe.
2020-06-10 21:05
He almost closed the contract with OG, and with tournament winnings and salaries he would have gotten from them, they came up with that number.. Then again emphasis isn't on the money, but on the unban, as #8 said :)
2020-06-10 21:07
23 replies
#127
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Europe Tomgra
Bro, he sold his account, that is in violation of Steam ToS. It's rather Jamppi who should pay Volvo 300k for as I said, violating Steam ToS
2020-06-11 10:53
21 replies
I dont think theres evidence of him selling it tho, prolly still a rules violation but not that bad at all
2020-06-11 15:57
1 reply
#313
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Europe Tomgra
Bro, he said in this interview, that he sold his account, and that the next owner was cheating...
2020-06-12 11:32
so ban every player cuz 99% has sold an account
2020-06-11 16:19
selling accounts or giving them away is so common place. what do you consider a sold account? someone made an account, gave me money so i would buy stuff on it with my credit card, because he doesn't own a credit card? lel. also there are legit reasons why you would do this. some steam features such as friends are unavailable if you didn't spend money on your account and note, this doesn't include gifts. gifts don't do anything.
2020-06-11 16:20
5 replies
#218
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Europe Tomgra
Bro, sharing account is also against Steam ToS. If not for VAC ban, Volvo could ban Jammpi just for violating theirs ToS
2020-06-11 17:42
4 replies
question is what constitutes as account sharing? is it the scenario i described above? but why would giving away a commercial product be considered an offense? you can give away your car, your computer, your house, etc., why not an account? there's no law stating that you can't do this, there's just a rule set by a company that is set on making as much money as possible and making sure children & youth get into gambling as young as possible. dota2 and csgo have integrated gambling slot machines (crates) that require coins (keys) that have no age restrictions. quite interesting, yes? a company can run completely unethically and still remain within the boundaries of law. sad thing to say but governments and lawmakers have not yet caught wind of what is going on. eu is slow to move and how they move is go forward with dumb shit like article 13 with the meps barely even udnerstanding what the fuck they are even voting for.
2020-06-11 17:57
3 replies
cause u r playing on volvo server and u accept the ToS. It’s not 100% your product, there is rules at using it. If you keep ur arguments, i can cheat, grief or whatever cause i bought the product.
2020-06-13 18:11
2 replies
You still lose money which you used to buy the game
2020-06-14 05:36
1 reply
#524
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Europe Tomgra
Man, it's said in Steam ToS, that you only Rent game from Volvo and that they can stop renting it to you anytime without compensation... For example, I lost my NFS Most Wanted on EA and got nothing back, same Battlefield 2... on this shit Origin platform
2020-06-15 21:09
Terms of service is of course not law but need to be applied by law, stating that you cannot sell something that you own can be against EU law and thus not allowed to be in the ToS in the first place. Valve as a service provider in EU needs to apply to that law not just US. In other thoughts are there any listed penalties for breaking the ToS inside ToS? Does it state that if you break these rules you can be banned from the majors? As all of the cheating terms state that the bans from VAC are account based and not personal. That is why Valve doesnt mind him playing in general and all other cheaters are also allowed to create new accounts and continue playing. There are multiple ways for Jamppi to argue the issue, but I would say that there is no point giving non professional players like kids some lifetime bans when they become professionals. Thats like you as a kid cheating in soccer on your backyard games and then not allowed to participate to the world cup, just utter bullshit. Of course lifetime ban is understandable if you cheat at the world cup, as it matters much more. Overall if Valve really would care about cheaters they would require personal identification for creating accounts so that it would be extremely hard to have multiple accounts and that if you cheat you as a person is banned, and you couldnt create new accounts.
2020-06-11 19:33
9 replies
#302
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Finland 27HM72
good read, ty
2020-06-12 09:59
Thank you for actually using some brain on this forum, it's pretty rare
2020-06-12 10:37
#314
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Europe Tomgra
Bro, the Steam ToS is just a bunch of rules how you can use the product... You agree to it while creating an account. Also, French law does not apply in whole Europe. Just in France there is a bunch of old socialists, who don't know what internet is but they are setting the law for internet anyway. Also, Volvo just has the right to ban anybody from the events they are sponsoring, just like Tesla can ban user from buying their car or like an airline can ban someone from flying in theirs planes.
2020-06-12 11:39
6 replies
Yes terms of service is something you agree when you buy the game, but those terms cannot go beyond the law. It might be against the law to forbid selling something that you buy. I say might be because there is not a previous case that has determined that at least in Finland, but the case in France can cause EU to force on an actual law. And to be honest I dont see any reason why it wouldn't be like that. Otherwise you are renting or subscribing an service, but if you are buying something, you own that and the seller cannot forbid you from selling it. This second thought that companies can just ban who ever they want is also not true. You are not allowed to discriminate against people in a public event, so no airlines cannot just ban someone from flying or tesla ban from buying their cars. This is exactly the type of behaviour that a lot of companies have gotten into trouble for example banning gay / black people. I know it is highly likely that they are too big to just not give a fuck, not change their minds and even pay penalties rather than change their rules, but to think that companies are somehow allowed to do what ever they want is just not true. And no matter if Jamppi cheated or he sold his account or what ever, it can be argued that it is not lawful to ban him for life. Key word here is ARGUE.
2020-06-12 18:12
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#331
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Europe Tomgra
Man, you are not forced to buy the game, so nothing is bayonet the law. It's like cookies - if you reject them, some sites will kick you out
2020-06-12 18:59
4 replies
Facepalm. If you buy something, you can sell it. They are not renting the game to you are they?
2020-06-12 19:02
3 replies
#333
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Europe Tomgra
They are renting the games, that's the problem. Just type in Google "Steam renting games"
2020-06-12 19:35
#525
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Europe Tomgra
Man, it's said in Steam ToS, that you only Rent game from Volvo and that they can stop renting it to you anytime without compensation... For example, I lost my NFS Most Wanted on EA and got nothing back, same Battlefield 2... on this shit Origin platform
2020-06-15 21:10
1 reply
Both of you have legitimate points, but because of laws and contractual agreements, jamppi will lose this case. There is no realistic way that jamppi succeeds in court considering he agreed to ToS, yet broke multiple points.
2020-06-16 02:28
He was too young for the tos to be relevant idiot
2020-06-15 13:16
1 reply
#523
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Europe Tomgra
Well then, he once again violated Steam ToS by lying about his age... Hello in Volvo's hell then, Jamppi
2020-06-15 21:06
#200
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Serbia DjapeZ
Its not Valve false that he cheated XDDDDDDDDd
2020-06-11 16:17
#7
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Peru TheJuan
to buy new cheat
2020-06-10 21:03
Compensation for financial loss
2020-06-10 21:09
nt strazniku
2020-06-11 20:06
#409
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Finland HARD4ENCE
They probably won't get the money but Jamppi's camp said it wasn't important, most important for him is to get unbanned.
2020-06-15 16:00
lol
2020-06-15 18:13
Gonna be good. Monday going to be interesting. You better have your popcorn ready!
2020-06-10 21:03
5 replies
+1
2020-06-10 21:03
#283
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Finland OGx
Volvo might run jampi over
2020-06-11 21:50
2 replies
probably. I bet it is something very trivial. they will say something like "we will look into jumpis case" and that's it.
2020-06-11 22:36
1 reply
jamppi account was bought from his parent CC, he might or not give it to his friend. There's no proof that he didn't done that by himself [*]
2020-06-12 09:33
+1
2020-06-15 18:14
#6
Jamppi | 
Finland Owava
It's all on Valve now, they decide what they do. There's no law or anything that can force them to unban Jamppi. It's on Valve now. I believe Jamppi's story that he himself didn't cheat, and therefore the unban would be justified, but then again, from Valve's side, the ban is also justified, because there is VAC banned account connected to Jamppi.. It's hard case, but it's all on Valve, and the rest of us can just wait and see.
2020-06-10 21:03
51 replies
every cheater say it was his friend or he sold account to somebody who cheated over million cheaters got VAC ban and none of them cheated themselves i don't see other busted vac cheaters trying to join top teams and then suing valve for 300k€ LOL
2020-06-10 21:07
45 replies
How many of those million of cheaters are ready to put that lie on the court? I mean, I'm pretty sure there's some proofs out there for Jamppi's side, because they went for lawsuit. Lawsuit isn't a free thing that you can just throw out there for only say-hear...
2020-06-10 21:10
13 replies
#36
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Cyprus Sotiris
He is probably gambling that he actually wins and gets the money to pay off the lawyers and shit. But I really doubt thats going to happen
2020-06-10 21:13
11 replies
They wouldn't gamble for that.. It's not worth it :D But we'll have to wait and see on Monday what Valve has said
2020-06-10 21:14
8 replies
Jamppi's side is bluffing They know they don't have anything Otherwise they would come public already with it It just Jammpi's and his cheating friends words which don't count much, everybody of them are cheaters
2020-06-11 06:10
7 replies
I mean, it's Valve who has the data. By your logic, they don't have anything, since they haven't gone public with the definitive proof it was Jamppi who was using the account. I don't think Valve has to do shit here though. It's the first case of its kind so far, we'll just have to wait and see.
2020-06-11 09:37
5 replies
+1 - Valve doesn't have to unban, even if public thinks the ban in unjustified... It's Valve's system, it's for them to decide... But it's anyways stupid for people to say that they know anything about what's happening behind closed doors, we don't know, nobody knows, we all just have to wait and see what happens on monday...
2020-06-11 10:17
valve doesn't even have the data on that matchmaking cheater you encounter every fifth match.
2020-06-11 16:21
Thats why they keep him banned because they have the data If you actually would had read Valve's rules you would know that who register account is responsible forever even in case that someone else would cheated That rule is for exactly for that reason because all cheaters say it was their friend / account was sold So basically Jamppi don't have any chance He is cheater and he stay banned, liked you it or not Jamppi's side have been bluffing all long if you don't get it, thats why his "lawyer doesn't comment what they do in case Valve doesn't answer to them" because they know they can't win, just big bluff and finnish kids actually think jamppi has chance
2020-06-12 09:45
1 reply
Fan of s1mple?? This kid cheated in pro matches
2020-06-15 13:18
you are still bullied because Jamppi beat s0mple
2020-06-11 15:53
His lawyer is his dad
2020-06-11 15:20
1 reply
not true, his dad is handling the case but they have lawyers as well
2020-06-11 15:38
Probably no proof. I think they will push the underage argument.
2020-06-10 21:23
#64
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Finland cuntycorn
Do you see other busted vac cheaters who are at jamppi's level? And this is not about lifting the ban from every banned player, this is about allowing jamppi to play at majors. Let's say there are a million banned(for whatever the reason is) players. Let's say that valve allows jamppi and those million other players to play at majors. How many players are affected? 2? 5? 15? Who cars. They can keep the accounts banned and allow the individuals to play.
2020-06-10 21:24
17 replies
KQLY. Valve already said sharing to public the email sent to Jammpi checking manually the ban and it was correct. And if u know valve positioning, u know that is kinda hard to say something like that oficially. I agree that low age people bans could be unbanned from tournaments as V$M and Jammpi, but as Valve said, they have enough proof of the correct ban, so the probability of the use of cheat in his PC is like 90%. They wouldnt reveal publicly this e-mail if they didnt know exactly the situation.
2020-06-10 21:38
4 replies
#87
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Finland cuntycorn
afkgaming.com/articles/csgo/News/3654-Va.. This mail? Doesn't say anything about manually checking and tbh I believe that that's impossible to prove it was jamppi playing. It's pretty much certain that someone cheated on that account but who? If valve can't prove it was jamppi then I don't think they can ban him because of cheating. Then it will be about selling the account and whether or not that is enough to deny jamppi from playing in majors. But yeah I understand that valve doesn't want to give an inch, it's always the same with big corporations. Anyway, the point I wanted to make was that it really isn't a big thing if jamppi is unbanned. There are only a handful of people in the same situation as he is.
2020-06-10 21:58
3 replies
I think it's completely possible to check the IP used and compare to the main account. I'm not sure if they have access to HWID, if yes, even easier, so, yeah, they have a way to prove it. Valve always doesn't say much publicly and if they made this e-mail exposing that has the conclusion he was under his control, they must have a good proof of that. IMO, it should be unbans at those situations too, but if Jammpi was truly the owner of the account and said publicly that gave for his friend, it just exposes his character. The point of banning permanently them from events is to discourage cheating use at competitive scene that it can cost all the carrer permanently.
2020-06-10 22:15
2 replies
#107
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Finland cuntycorn
Yeah but wasn't jamppi claiming that they were at a lan party or something? Where did it say that valve leaked that email? It's a forwarded message so the one who received it had to forward it to someone and that guy had to leak it? I really don't know, but it's an interesting case for sure. I get the point with banning players but my point of view is that only the "crimes" when you're pro should affect your career. Furthermore, it's so easy to get alternative accounts that it's pretty much useless. They only catch some stupid and/or unlucky kids like jamppi
2020-06-11 09:05
1 reply
do u often host lan parties where u sell accounts and also register them faceit on ur own nick before handing them out to cheaters? lmao
2020-06-14 09:04
i think if you're playing professionally you should be banned permanently, if you're not.. there should be a second chance. that's why KQLY should never be allowed a second chance, because he was a professional player when he was banned. jamppi, well.. he was some shit for brains young 13-14 year old.
2020-06-11 18:01
5 replies
#287
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Finland cuntycorn
Yeah I have very similar thoughts. I would maybe divide cheating in three categories: 1. not pro, casual match 2. pro, casual match 3. pro, official match 1 and 2 would lead to couple year ban and 3 to permaban. Maybe we could also consider a case where player is not pro but playing some low tier tournament and pursuing for professional career. That would lead to permaban too. But anyway, the distinction between cheating for "fun" and cheating to gain advantage (financial, career etc) should be made.
2020-06-12 08:48
2 replies
+1
2020-06-12 09:03
#305
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Finland 27HM72
I almost agree, although I think "pro" -> permaban in any case because they should be the example for others. any tournament cheating as "not pro yet" should give a ban of 2 years or similar (as comparison to doping). For kids (< 15 yo or similar) also a ban of 2 or 4 years should be okay.
2020-06-12 10:06
Also s1mple should be permabanned for cheating in pro
2020-06-15 13:19
1 reply
i wouldn't say so. even when caught in physical sports for doping the judgments aren't that extreme and that's what jamppis lawsuit is about.
2020-06-16 11:01
If we let all cheaters come to tournaments they surely are better than any player without cheats If Valve let Jamppi play, it kills csgo because they have to let all other cheaters come to cheat to events too Other pro teams so far had morale not hire cheaters, but Jamppi case might chance it for good if Valve say "cheating is welcome, if u cheat, all cheating bans will be removed, don't worry" When there are big salaries of course there will cheaters trying to get them like have been in past: cases: emilio, sf, kqly, cLy etc.
2020-06-12 09:52
5 replies
#310
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Finland cuntycorn
You're a fan of known cheater. By your logic simple is cheating in every match. Or is "once a cheater, always a cheater" true only if the player is caught by vac? That just doesn't make any sense. And it's very different to cheat in MM and in official match. If you don't understand why, I'm sorry for your low iq. It's also very different to say "cheating is welcome, if u cheat, all cheating bans will be removed, don't worry" and "cheating is prohibited and will result in 2 year ban from competitive gaming or permanent ban if the player is caught cheating in an official match". The problem is in your head.
2020-06-12 10:33
4 replies
+1 i think #298 just fails at logic, because he isn't considering all the facts properly. kqly knew better. he was a professional player on a roster which belonged to an organization and to mention.. over 20 years of age. he was by all definition, an adult that knew exactly what he was doing. if i go back to my 13-14 year old shit for brains childhood, i know i did some stupid shit without really thinking about the consequences. hell i did some stupid shit when i was 18.
2020-06-16 11:08
3 replies
#555
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Finland cuntycorn
Yeah, and I just don't get the idea that someone could cheat his way from noob to the majors. If that is possible we should assume that everyone is cheating at the pro level. It just logically can't be so that if you are caught once you'll never be caught again and if you've never been caught you can't be cheating or you'll get caught right away.
2020-06-16 11:44
2 replies
yes everyone is cheating at the majors also the earth is flat and nasa is keeping this truth from us there are actually gigantic ice walls around the world in a circle keeping all the water from falling into space
2020-06-16 13:29
1 reply
#560
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Finland cuntycorn
FACTS! Stay woke brother!
2020-06-16 13:30
I think half of the HLTV users are either 10 years old or without brains. They dont want the 300.000, they just want the ban to be lifted. 300.000 makes it so that Valve has to really pay attention, but the are willing to settle for 0$ if Valve removes the ban. Also even if he cheated, lifetime ban does not exist in any sport or even after a murder, so its unwarranted.
2020-06-10 22:49
12 replies
no way that Valve pays when they didn't break any laws and lawsuite was left in wrong country where never been Valve tournaments (and Valve is company from abroad) finnish court jurisdiction couldn't do anything even if they want to
2020-06-11 06:08
10 replies
It's filed in the European Union. Valve is also registered in Germany.
2020-06-11 09:40
8 replies
Dude, I don't know how old you are, but obviously you don't understand anything about jurisdiction of court Its not filed in the European Union court, its filed in Finland and if you go to court in finland, then finnish court cannot tell what company can do in other countries (actually lately there have been claims that they haven't filed anything yet, they just gave bluff ultimatum timeline for valve according to many sources and now they are saying "that maybe in autumn we do something because we are "so busy now". it was bluff along) Just because Finland is part of EU doesn't mean that finnish court can tell other EU countries what they can do and can't. Finnish court have only jurisdiction in finland maybe you should find out basics before opening mouth next time
2020-06-12 10:04
7 replies
Hahahaha! Judging by your bullshit and general vibe, I'm way older than you are. Now, if you actually knew anything about how the EU works, you wouldn't be saying that. So "maybe you should find out basics before opening mouth next time". Oh by the way, here's the lawsuit, you can get the general idea of how suing someone in another EU member state works. dbltap.com/posts/jamppi-csgo-lawsuit-val..
2020-06-12 12:33
6 replies
no way that u are older than 12-14, which make me much older than u give source to any source that say that when finnish court decide somebody, rest of EU countries have to do that finnish court order? oh wait, you can't because such kid fantasy doesn't exist in real world so far you are just make joke of yourself and you don't even realize it hahaha so your vibes aren't worth of much haha even that post you gave, didn't mention anything that finnish court would have jurisdiction over other countries courts lol haven't been laughing this hard for age :DDDDDDDDDD
2020-06-12 21:55
5 replies
Competence of Court Under Articles 17 and 18 of the Regulation (EC) No 1215/2012 of the European Parliament and of the Council as well as Chapter 10 Section 5 of the Code of Judicial Procedure, the District Court of Itä-Uudenmaa is competent to examine the case, being the court of first instance of the consumer’s domicile, since the Defendant is a business enterprise domiciled in another Member State, targeting its commercial operations to several states, including the Member State where the consumer is domiciled. More specifically Article 18: 1. A consumer may bring proceedings against the other party to a contract either in the courts of the Member State in which that party is domiciled or, regardless of the domicile of the other party, in the courts for the place where the consumer is domiciled. eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/P.. Applicable Law Under Article 6 Paragraph 1 of the Regulation (EC) No 593/2008 of the European Parliament and of the Council, the Finnish Law is applied to the contractual relationship. eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/H.. These lines were included in the lawsuit, which I linked to you earlier. Not that you'll read any of that, but whatever. Anything more I could help you google?
2020-06-12 23:41
4 replies
#340
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Finland Zombade
+1 Shut him up for good
2020-06-13 18:25
dude, how old you are seriously? none of those texts said that finnish court can decide what foreign company can do in other countries you seriously think that other countries let finnish court decide what company X can do in their countries? :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I just can't stop laughing :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2020-06-14 08:53
2 replies
You just got shut out and still try to grasp on your failed argument sucks to be you kid
2020-06-15 13:22
1 reply
what can you expect from a dumb american that thinks international companies can work like the "dutch indian company" or "british east india company" in the 1600-1800s? xd honestly i'm pretty drunk right now but i am still fairly sure that i possess more braincells than #361 even the smallest state in the world can have courts that decide, if something is against their laws.. that they would do something such as fine a company or prevent it from operating on their land. i don't find it surprising at all that an *american* would be baffled at such a concept.
2020-06-17 02:27
Of course they could. Steam's ToS is against the law in multiple countries and could be fought in court. Valve is not going to cease operating in countries because of their laws, ref. Netherlands.
2020-06-12 09:35
+1
2020-06-11 18:00
Valve already made a message to jamppi where they say that when his account received vac the acc was under his control
2020-06-10 21:08
3 replies
Then Valve can bring that evidence to court and Jamppi can bring his evidence.
2020-06-10 21:29
2 replies
valve doesn't have to prove anything. playing at the major isn't a right.
2020-06-10 21:38
1 reply
Of course they have to?
2020-06-10 21:42
yeah
2020-06-15 18:14
#8
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Finland Karppanator
The emphasis is on the ban being removed, the 300k is not the primary target
2020-06-10 21:04
3 replies
+1
2020-06-10 21:04
I know my friend. I believe, just like #9 said is why he wants those 300k. But obv his main goal is to get unbanned from majors.
2020-06-10 21:06
+1
2020-06-15 18:14
#13
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Cyprus eClipz-AU
If he can prove that valve have ignored his attempts to rectify, along with proving he sold his account pre-ban, he legitimately could win this. I think it’s about time, valve never respond to ban disputes, and it is a big deal.
2020-06-10 21:06
5 replies
Then he broke terms of service
2020-06-11 17:45
4 replies
#288
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Finland ollli
Terms of service aren't the law
2020-06-12 08:56
3 replies
you guys think terms of service is just the thing which is you can accept then ignore?? no! it's virtual contract! and you're accepted that "You may not sell or charge others for the right to use your Account, or otherwise transfer your Account, nor may you sell, charge others for the right to use, or transfer any Subscriptions other than if and as expressly permitted by this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use).selling account is illegal" that means jampoop did illegal thing
2020-06-14 05:21
2 replies
#359
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Finland ollli
Wrong. Read up on consumer protection laws.
2020-06-14 07:49
What are the implications stated in ToS about breaking those rules?
2020-06-15 18:37
#15
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Finland 0lter
Hope he win
2020-06-10 21:06
3 replies
Hope is the last thing you abandon. There is no chance in hell that he wins, though.
2020-06-10 21:08
1 reply
#71
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Finland 0lter
I dont think so dude he has good chance
2020-06-10 21:31
+1
2020-06-15 18:16
hmm, but if valve unbans him that means every cheater will jump on the same bandwagon
2020-06-10 21:08
17 replies
That's mean that they must unban all players who were banned
2020-06-10 21:09
5 replies
exactly, which i think they will avoid at all costs
2020-06-10 21:10
lol no who is asking for any unbans. He will just get the right to play in a major, not get his 5 year old account VAC removed. VSM is the only person that might jump on the bandwagon.
2020-06-11 15:26
3 replies
+1
2020-06-11 15:55
He received vac and banned to play on major if they let him play that's mean and they remove his vac
2020-06-11 17:00
1 reply
No, his name will just be cleared of being associated with the 5 year old account, or alternatively will get the right to play in Valve sponsored events if it is judged that his punishment is unreasonable related to the offense. You must be retarded to think that they would ever manually remove VAC bans. It is clear that someone cheated on that account, it is just the question if it was him or is it reasonable to ban him from something so minor.
2020-06-13 18:45
Yes and no. If Jamppi have very good evidence that it wasnt him in court etc then it could work. Most actual cheaters doesnt have proof of their innocence because they are 9/10 times cheaters.
2020-06-10 21:10
8 replies
and how could they prove it was/wasnt them? there's no way to prove/disprove from either ends
2020-06-10 21:11
7 replies
Well, i dont know what evidence Jamppi and his lawyer(s) have, so, we will hopefully see that soon. Exactly, so Valve cant prove it was Jamppi that cheated either, yet they banned him for life?
2020-06-10 21:12
5 replies
this is what i'm saying, it's all unclear. but then again, if i have my acc hacked, then restored but vacced, valve should delete the vac ban, as i wasn't you, but they wont. so you are paying for a product, but they can decide if you can use it or not. there's no transparency at all
2020-06-10 21:15
2 replies
"valve should delete the vac ban, as i wasn't you, but they wont" Well, you never sued or taken Valve to court for it lol, Jamppi is. So, we will see what is gonna happen on Monday.
2020-06-10 21:16
1 reply
i would say valve wont do anything, they're too big for just an individual. maybe if there were more, there was a chance
2020-06-10 21:17
the documents of the lawsuit are public. they don't really mention any evidence. you can read it here: dbltap.com/posts/jamppi-csgo-lawsuit-val..
2020-06-10 21:41
1 reply
Evidence doesnt have to be listed in public papper. Just wait for the court to start and then we will see.
2020-06-10 21:43
Of course there are ways...
2020-06-10 21:23
Yea if Jamppi is win, everyone is banned
2020-06-11 15:42
true
2020-06-15 18:16
#22
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Japan gachinko
I run a local store and some guy gets in, destroys stuff and shits on my floor so I ban him from entrance to my shop, as this is MY property, so he won't destroy anything else. Then he lawsuits me for 300k and demands allowance for entering to my shop? normal??
2020-06-10 21:08
19 replies
+1 only morons think he has a chance of winning anything
2020-06-10 21:09
10 replies
?? If he actually got solid proof that shows it wasnt him that cheated then yes, he can win. Banning someone FOR LIFE from basically the biggest event in CSGO without proof that it was him that cheated is pretty crazy. Look at other sports, rarely people get life bans, they often get 1-2 years ban.
2020-06-10 21:11
9 replies
How the hell would he ever have solid proof of anything like that? I dont have to look at other sports i can just read valves rules, pretty fucking simple. If he or anyone else for that matter cheated on an account registrered in his name then its GG and he can cry all he wants, it's not going to change i mean imagine the look on Valve if the backed down to a cheater lol
2020-06-10 21:15
1 reply
"How the hell would he ever have solid proof of anything like that?" Like i said in another comment, i dont know what proof he has. Could be chat logs, his friend actually stepping up and acting like a witness etc, who knows? We will see on Monday what will happen. Also, read #49
2020-06-10 21:23
but how do you actually prove it wasnt you? i can have my acc banned and say my dog played with cheats, will that hold in court?
2020-06-10 21:16
6 replies
...bruh? Dog? Maybe Jamppi have proof of when he sold the account to his friend, like some sort of bank transfer of money or chat logs etc. Why are you bringing in a dog? wtf?
2020-06-10 21:18
5 replies
so you sell your acc to your friend, and then he gets instant vac. sounds plausible
2020-06-10 21:19
4 replies
What do you mean with instant vac? When or where have anyone said that Jamppis account that he sold was VAC banned instantly after he sold it? lol.
2020-06-10 21:21
3 replies
i dont know the story of jampi, how old was he when he sold it?
2020-06-10 21:22
2 replies
I am not sure what age he was, maybe someone else knows. But, i think...14(?)...but like i said, i am not sure, someone can correct me.
2020-06-10 21:25
1 reply
#74
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Finland Etska000
I think he was 12 or barely 13
2020-06-10 21:35
cheaterlivesmatters you racist
2020-06-10 21:10
1 reply
xD
2020-06-15 18:17
Nop, and I really doubt jamppi and ENCE win this case...
2020-06-10 21:11
1 reply
they should win
2020-06-15 18:17
+1 somehow people think you have the right to play at a private promotional event of a private company
2020-06-10 21:42
#121
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Finland SunMutsi
What if its another dude in his clothes? Now you banned an innocent man from your shop and the shooter could come to your shop again and destroy everything once again.
2020-06-11 10:33
cool sounding analogy that gets all the details wrong, beautiful
2020-06-11 15:44
What if you are not 100% sure that the guy you banned was the one behind all this?
2020-06-15 18:41
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD what fucking retards are behind this
2020-06-10 21:11
1 reply
lol
2020-06-15 18:17
#34
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Sweden god_sdy
I think its against ToS to sell your account though. So in Valves case, it doesn't matter if you sell your account and the new owner gets it banned. But then again finnish law prohibits minors from entering into agreement as well so this is a tough case. I guess what he could get is compensation but they still hold the ban just because no outcome of any lawsuit technically could change that.
2020-06-10 21:12
19 replies
Yeah, it's all on Valve's hands, they don't have to unban, even if there is any proofs on Jamppi's side, even if everyone else would think the ban is unjustified... We'll just have to wait and see what monday brings us.
2020-06-10 21:14
"I think its against ToS to sell your account though." Yes it is, but does he deserve a life time ban for that if he actually can prove it wasnt him that cheated? No. A minor ban or a fine? Yeah sure.
2020-06-10 21:14
4 replies
#44
sdy | 
Sweden god_sdy
Well every other kid who gets banned says it was their friend or their dog or cat that cheated yada yada. If he gets unbanned then every other kid who dreams of going pro would instantly start to file lawsuits with the same excuses. It opens up a world of issues because anyone could just hand some money to a random person who would say that the account was sold and it doesn't belong to xxx pro player anymore. In short, noway in hell is he getting unbanned. But I believe he will get compensated
2020-06-10 21:17
3 replies
"Well every other kid who gets banned says it was their friend or their dog or cat that cheated yada yada." Yes. BUT, he might have proof? Maybe his friend, that cheated, have the balls to confess it was him in court, idk. Like i said, we have to wait and see on Monday what will happen, right now you, me or anyone doesnt know. I mean, s1mple, who actually cheated, is playing T1 CS lol.
2020-06-10 21:19
2 replies
#59
sdy | 
Sweden god_sdy
Yeah but like I said, not that hard to bribe said friend to go to court and just confess. Not like hes got anything to loose unless hes knocking on the doors of some teams waiting to go pro. But yeah this permanent VAC ban shit is quite strange as long as other tournament organizers don't follow suit and implement the same rules. Because like you said, its ridiculous that some players who got banned for cheating in leagues is now playing just because the ban wasn't "VAC ban"
2020-06-10 21:22
1 reply
"Yeah but like I said, not that hard to bribe said friend to go to court and just confess." Well, hes under oath, lol. Also, bribing is illegal in Finland, and most countries. Yeah, exactly, s1mple pretty much got saved because he wasnt banned on Valve servers etc since he was banned on a ...whats is called, "third party client" i believe, lol.
2020-06-11 04:11
Another part of Finnish law that actually voids this part of the ToS is social media/online "accounts" are legally considered property by the owner of the account - and that property can be bought and sold. So selling an account is legal according to Finnish law, which overrules Valve's ToS
2020-06-10 21:18
10 replies
#57
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Cyprus Sotiris
I dont think that matters because valve doesnt obey finnish laws. But we as a costumer have to obey with the US laws.
2020-06-10 21:22
9 replies
Not true, if any company wants to conduct business in a country they must abide by that country's laws. That's why CSGO Perfect World has some different skins than regular CSGO, because Chinese law bans the usage of some symbols like skulls. Just because Valve is an American company doesn't mean they don't have to abide by the law of other countries when they choose to do business there
2020-06-10 21:25
1 reply
+1
2020-06-10 21:31
Why does France Xray their cases? Why do Stickers get modified for China, nevermind the whole game?
2020-06-10 22:03
4 replies
+1 lol, exactly.
2020-06-11 02:55
1 reply
+1
2020-06-15 18:18
$$$$ only
2020-06-12 09:41
1 reply
Nah, there would be no product in those countries if Valve wouldn't budge.
2020-06-12 15:32
so they will have to allow him to play in finnish events?
2020-06-11 12:12
#341
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Finland Zombade
If you do business in a country, you obey that countrys law before anything else.
2020-06-13 18:36
A friend drives a friend to a club and pays with his CC his entry fee. His friend goes on a rampage an gets thrown out and soon after a lifetime ban. 4 years later the credit card dude is a pimp hustler owning the clubs. The biggest club of them all but does not allow him to enter due to his cc is related to a rampage once committed. They claim it was him, he rejects this claim. He sues the club for the club is really really nice and his hustling is legit. We don't know the truth. You may believe what you want. But there's law involved now where proof counts. That comin' Monday gonna be gud.
2020-06-11 16:04
#307
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Finland 27HM72
Who actually owned the account? Jamppi or the one who paid for it? Mom or Dad? I'm not totally sure if this is about the game licence or the Steam account anyway. If I pay for something I own it right? So if I buy a game for my kid, it is still my property. If I pay, is it my ToS agreement or my kid's? Maybe someone here can answer this. I'm too lazy to find out myself. :p
2020-06-12 10:14
I hope he wins if he didn't cheat I hope he loses if he did
2020-06-10 21:18
1 reply
+1
2020-06-15 18:18
He's trying to go to court with a multi-billion dollar company when he broke ToS that HE agreed to. How can he possibly win this?? His Attorney/s have to be feeding him bullshit, there's no way they think that they can actually win this case.
2020-06-10 21:18
4 replies
2020-06-10 21:20
2 replies
That's interesting information if the case is being heard in Finland, but I'm not sure how that works with Steam being an American Corp.
2020-06-10 21:31
1 reply
#66 ^^
2020-06-11 09:53
+1
2020-06-15 18:18
they 100% wont unban this mad kid
2020-06-10 21:20
2 replies
lol
2020-06-15 18:18
1 reply
what?
2020-06-15 18:21
#FREEJAMPPI Kid is a fucking beast,let him play ffs.
2020-06-10 21:20
1 reply
#FREEJAMPPI
2020-06-15 18:19
hope he loses and works at mcdonalds.
2020-06-10 21:21
7 replies
Jampii "Reverse Dafran" Olkkonen 😭😭
2020-06-10 21:36
He already is a professional player and probably earns more than you ever will in sweaty ratrace.
2020-06-11 09:12
1 reply
He may earn more than him atm, but he would do shit when he will be 40/50. By that time botolof will earn more 👍🏿
2020-06-11 18:04
even if he loses, ENCE will keep him, they said it themselves... He will still be professional player, just not in Majors...
2020-06-11 10:20
2 replies
he will be professional cheater
2020-06-11 10:34
1 reply
how much?
2020-06-11 10:45
why u beind toxic?
2020-06-15 18:19
i hope that they wont unban him, there should be no excuses from vac bans its always friend playing and getting banned xD its so stupid
2020-06-10 21:24
2 replies
#80
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Russia RogueDecay
expected from 18 yo human mind
2020-06-10 21:39
xD
2020-06-15 18:19
fair ban
2020-06-10 21:35
1 reply
if he really used to cheat yeah
2020-06-15 18:20
ikr
2020-06-10 21:36
#77
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Russia RogueDecay
This is so stupid, if Valve would've just ban him or another guy for fun there is no such lawful mechanism to force them unban that person. Fuck jumpi dog and his anecdotal evidence of himself not being a cheater, the one and only best shot he had was admitting everything and sincerely apologize to Valve and ask them for ban reduction to 2-3 years. His best shot is long gone, and what he is getting? thats right, what he fucking deserve!
2020-06-10 21:41
1 reply
Jumpi? That's a new one :D
2020-06-12 11:47
#81
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Poland vexxy77
People who think that players who got VAC banned when they were young should still be banned are braindead. Change my mind.
2020-06-10 21:39
2 replies
that sounds like "hacking is good thing change my mind :)"
2020-06-14 05:54
toxic
2020-06-15 18:21
#82
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Finland Autisthicc
ok i wont even try to defend this, retarded. wants 300k for cheating.
2020-06-10 21:40
5 replies
Thats not the point of the lawsuit....
2020-06-10 23:40
3 replies
#96
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Finland Autisthicc
oh really????
2020-06-10 23:41
2 replies
Then why the #82 comment?
2020-06-10 23:43
1 reply
#98
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Finland Autisthicc
how would i remember
2020-06-10 23:44
lmao
2020-06-15 18:22
#90
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Finland Abelzini
In 5 days, we will hear more about this.
2020-06-10 22:32
2 replies
Yeah :)
2020-06-10 23:34
ok
2020-06-15 18:22
BTW any such thing as private property laws in Finland or was Jammpi born with some Euro right to use Valve's private property?
2020-06-11 06:14
#109
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Estonia elariBAY
Hope he gets 300k, his face really needs surgery
2020-06-11 09:19
4 replies
reported
2020-06-11 10:24
+1 xaxaxa duckface really needs it
2020-06-11 17:52
you're made my day XD
2020-06-14 06:05
xD
2020-06-15 18:22
would be nice if the court just lets the proof in that shows he cheated, and just say yep he cheated, didnt even hear him there, case closed where are my overwatch EXP.
2020-06-11 09:42
7 replies
Pretty sure he didn't. Why would you buy a lawyer if you cheated and you go against multi billion company? Doesn't make sense.
2020-06-11 10:25
5 replies
cos he is low IQ
2020-06-11 10:33
4 replies
finnish iq> german iq
2020-06-11 11:44
3 replies
finnish plus canadian IQ < German IQ
2020-06-11 12:00
2 replies
0/8
2020-06-11 12:01
0/8
2020-06-15 18:23
The problem is, even if it was hisaccount cheating. There is no way to know for sure if it was him behind the computer. Thats why bans are usually account based, and not personal.
2020-06-15 18:46
its funny bc he cheats blatantly
2020-06-11 10:23
2 replies
? /close
2020-06-11 10:55
lul
2020-06-15 18:24
hes gonna ge rekted by volvo lawyers.
2020-06-11 10:49
1 reply
+1
2020-06-15 18:24
he can just retire and move to Valorant. problem solved.
2020-06-11 10:54
1 reply
valorant<cs always
2020-06-15 18:25
#FreeLordForsaken
2020-06-11 10:55
1 reply
stop it
2020-06-15 18:25
here really people that believe that friend story from him ? xdd
2020-06-11 10:58
12 replies
Believe? I cant answer that. But, what proof do you/anyone have that it was actually Jamppi? We dont. Maybe, Jamppi and his lawyer have figured something out.
2020-06-11 11:00
9 replies
Jamppi has a VAC Ban and in May Valve send him special letter that they'll not unban them. It's not so hard to check IP of banned account and compare it with IP of main Jamppi's account.
2020-06-11 11:05
6 replies
Ffs... why are people like you.... "Jamppi has a VAC Ban" THEN PROVE IT WAS HIM. Exactly, you cant. Jamppi, was according to himself in the courts documents, attending a LAN party with friends and his friend played on Jamppis 2nd account. So there was 5, or more, PCs plugged in. We dont know what evidence Jamppi and his lawyers have.
2020-06-11 11:10
4 replies
I repeat: It's not so hard for Valve to check IP of banned account and compare it with IP of main Jamppi's account. So, Jamppi should prove that it wasn't him.
2020-06-11 11:11
1 reply
local LAN means same IP. Actually it is hard to tell the IP of one local host under this circumstances. Only if the dude cheated afterwards from a different connection, there may be proof!
2020-06-11 16:14
#150
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Denmark Ulver
Valve don't allow you to sell the Steam account, and you are hold accountable for whoever uses the account. Nille (the pro-player that was playing with Glaive, Pimp, MSL and Nico) still has a perma ban because of this. Some user wrote that he didn't protect his password and email enough when he was streaming and copy-pasting his login information into Steam. He thought the info was off-stream but it wasn't and someone copied it, logged into Steam and played with hacks. Nille got vac banned and Valve are adamant that the account remains banned, because he didn't protect his account properly. A Valve employee responded "We will not disclose the cheats which were detected, nor will we provide the date and time the infraction took place. VAC has confirmed that the ban on the account was applied legitimately. This ban applies to a Steam account (regardless of who was using the account at the time the infraction occurred). The use and security of the Steam account is your responsibility." You can see it here: hltv.org/forums/threads/681894/nille-vac..
2020-06-11 12:26
1 reply
"Valve don't allow you to sell the Steam account, and you are hold accountable for whoever uses the account." I already know lol, BUT, does that mean you get a life ban? No. Does that mean Valve could give him some sort of punishment? Yeah sure. And also, look at Finnish law, there is someone in here that said that Jamppi cant be punished by that. "A Valve employee responded "We will not disclose the cheats which were detected, nor will we provide the date and time the infraction took place. VAC has confirmed that the ban on the account was applied legitimately." Yeah i know about that, but now, when Jamppi took them they court they might have to do so. Like i said before, we will see what happens tomorrow and the next couple of weeks.
2020-06-11 15:29
IP doesn't mean much since for most ISP the ip is dynamic and not static. I hightly doubt that Valve use IP in this matter.
2020-06-15 18:48
still why do you expect valve to change they ban ban policy as i read this lawsuit isnt a threat for valve because if they lose(which is unlikely) they just go the the next instance dont underestimate valve they smart look what they did in france with that x-ray scanner shit after a judgement
2020-06-11 11:22
1 reply
Like i said. We will see on Monday what courts say.
2020-06-11 11:26
This. It's like believe that dog ate your homework. XD
2020-06-11 11:02
1 reply
You rly think he sued valve without any evidence?
2020-06-11 16:23
well innocent until proven guilty they say but man.. Next Time get a better Story "hey i sold my account and he cheated " or whatever... was already outdated back in 2002
2020-06-11 11:24
1 reply
We dont know what Jamppi and his lawyer got though
2020-06-11 11:27
#FreeJamppi ffs
2020-06-11 11:59
1 reply
#FreeJampp
2020-06-15 18:26
So, he cheated and he demands 300k $ and getting unbanned. Someone tell him to jump off a bridge and then get in a lawsuit both with the gravity force and the engineer that designed and approved the construction of the bridge. He can ask a lot more money than 300k. Plus, he can sue Valve for even having an anticheat policy, let alone applying it to him! He can also ask Valve money, for not making the servers 128 tick, preventing him even more from winning majors and of course more money. Also, jamppi should sue Valve for the psychological destruction he suffered AND STILL SUFFERING because of the defamation his tender, innocent young soul experienced by Valve. Ok, Im trolling... he should not jump off a bridge. The Vertigo building should be a better choice
2020-06-11 12:10
4 replies
#157
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Denmark Alphamon
You have completely missed the point, congrats.
2020-06-11 15:30
2 replies
+1 rofl
2020-06-11 15:49
1 reply
+1
2020-06-15 18:27
Read the court papers etc. His main point is getting unbanned. the 268k is from the failed OG deal, but, he doesnt care about the money, he cares about being unbanned, SO, IF his lawyer manage to settle with Valve then they could settle for unban and Valve can keep the 268k. TL:DR Congrats, you missed the point of the whole thing, lol.
2020-06-11 15:52
I highly doubt he's ever going to see that 268k but I'm sure that money isn't really that important to him in this lawsuit.
2020-06-11 12:43
3 replies
Well yeah, obv its the ban that is important. I mean, hes getting a good salary at Ence already.
2020-06-11 15:38
The money is a tool to give the case more seriousness. Its very smart actually to use the compensation factor here.
2020-06-11 16:17
1 reply
Yeah, it's the first thing to go if Jamppi's team manage to get to negotiation table.
2020-06-12 09:23
I hope they keep him banned
2020-06-11 12:52
2 replies
why?
2020-06-15 18:27
1 reply
because he cheated.
2020-06-16 01:36
he will most probably win.. valve made few mistakes in their terms and conditions which they corrected recently but at the time they shouldnt have banned him.. same goes for faceit and other services which did mistakes in terms and conditions, most recently faceit with their justice system, they never said in terms that other faceit players can ban you so if they ban some pro player he is gonan sue them and win, same as jampi
2020-06-11 15:37
Hope he keeps the ban.
2020-06-11 15:38
2 replies
why?
2020-06-15 18:27
1 reply
Don't like cheaters and absolutley don't like querulants.
2020-06-15 18:46
+1
2020-06-11 15:46
2 replies
+1
2020-06-15 18:27
1 reply
+1
2020-06-15 18:33
I wish they free jamppi although it could be bad news for TESTOSAMI
2020-06-11 15:52
1 reply
#FreeJamppi
2020-06-15 18:28
#174
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Brazil Goecker
> got cheating > lawsuit to repair demage after being banned cuz got cheating WTF is wrong with this dumb?
2020-06-11 15:54
3 replies
Wow, another one that missed the point, congrats. Its not even sure that Jamppi actually was cheating. He was attending a LAN party with friends when his account, that he had sold, got banned. We dont know what sort of evidence Jamppi will bring to court, it should start on Monday.
2020-06-11 15:57
2 replies
#179
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Brazil Goecker
cheater excuses, he's going to build up a whole story to preserve his image but I can see through him. Definetely.
2020-06-11 15:59
1 reply
ZzZzZz. You think the court just goes on what Jamppi says? Jamppi: "Oh no, i was at LAN, friend cheated" Court: "Alright, Valve, you need to unban this guy right now or face blabla" lol? Obv Jamppi and his lawyer have some sort of evidence etc. Also, banning someone FOR LIFE because of, in my opinion, weak evidence is even worse. But, lets see what sort of evidence Valve has and what evidence Jamppi has.
2020-06-11 16:01
really dumb to ask money, just ask to be unbanned. win major with ence ez 300k
2020-06-11 16:09
1 reply
300k for major win?
2020-06-15 18:30
He wont win it lol. Valve can ban you without a reason, its their product. In his case, they banned him for links to a VAC banned account.
2020-06-11 16:10
6 replies
"Valve can ban you without a reason, its their product" HAHAHAHAHAHA. Good joke.
2020-06-11 16:14
5 replies
Not sure if you know how a free market works. They can exclude you from using their products without any reason lmao. Maybe stay in school.
2020-06-11 16:17
1 reply
#289
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Finland ollli
Yeah and then they'll get sued for discrimination lol.
2020-06-12 09:03
they can ban everyone from steam they want. dunno what's funny about that. They don't do it in general but they can do it.
2020-06-11 16:18
2 replies
No they cant. They can "ban" aka shut down your account if you break T.O.S or Steam Subscriber Agreement. But not for life lol.
2020-06-11 16:19
1 reply
They can when you use steam you have a contract and Valve can deny the contract to everyone they want. This is absolutely basic law that even works in 5th world countries.
2020-06-11 16:20
Fucking braindead to ask for money and hope to get unbanned then
2020-06-11 16:10
7 replies
Wow, the 38427432842378423 person to not understand the point of it, good job. He added the money because Valve would actually take this seriously, then settle in court. And settle could be "Unban me and i dont need the 268k".
2020-06-11 16:14
5 replies
Gaben says ok I sell my left shoe and you get your 300kand vac ban lifted and now you are banned from all tournaments cuz I don't wanna see your face again.
2020-06-11 16:16
4 replies
"and now you are banned from all tournaments cuz I don't wanna see your face again." Wtf are you on about? Gabe/Valve doesnt decide who Dreahack, IEM, ESL, Summit, BLAST unbans or keeps banned lol.
2020-06-11 16:18
3 replies
Valve gives tournament licenses. Without that ESL and DH would never do a tournament cuz of possible lawsuits. So Valve can do that
2020-06-11 16:19
2 replies
No.. If thats the case Jamppi, Steel and matchfixer Swag etc wouldnt have played Summit and all of the other tournaments.
2020-06-11 16:21
1 reply
That was Valve politics in the past but they can change this how they want. You probably think it is normal that others TO don't use Valve bans but that is unique in esports scene cuz Valve want it this way. Blizzard as an example do not allow banned player on any tournament no matter which TO makes the tournament.
2020-06-11 16:24
+1
2020-06-15 18:32
Let him win and then banned from the whole csgo game cuz Gaben is a guy that has a clear view of the things he wants for esports. That is why valve has only 4 games (2 of the just 4 fun) and 2 of them are big esports title for 15-20 years.
2020-06-11 16:14
1 reply
+1
2020-06-15 18:32
Couple of points that people seem to miss in this lawsuit case: 1. It doesnt matter whether it was Jamppi who cheated or someone else 2. What does matter is does valve have right to ban him for lifetime and therefore harm him financially as the rules violation was done when he was like 14 years old. On top of that the cheating happened in a casual game as an amateur. 3. Some people say that he will lose the case or wont get anything out of it. First, he's side would be happy already with the ban lifted, the financial compensation is pretty much irrelevant afaik. Second, they've been working with a lawyer specializing in sports and this kind of cases. They know what theyre doing and would continue this if there was a possibility of coming home empty handed.
2020-06-11 17:39
#217
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Japan pawbeast
lol i have bad english so i thought valve want 300k$ from ENCE to unban Jamppi
2020-06-11 17:41
1 reply
lmao
2020-06-15 18:32
#221
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Austria mo_bamba
he will lose 300.000$
2020-06-11 17:55
3 replies
thats not how it works
2020-06-11 19:40
2 replies
#317
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Austria mo_bamba
nt mr snax Jamppi cheated and should never be unbanned /closed
2020-06-12 13:19
1 reply
u didnt read it right lol
2020-06-15 18:33
Gl to jamppi, they are going to deal with Valve's hard headed lawyers, I bet they have something up their sleeve. Personally I think it's kinda unfair to kill someone's pro career for a mistake he did as a kid. But the excuse jamppi gives(my friend...etc) isn't going to help him in court I bet Plus if he loses the case then he has to pay a lot.
2020-06-11 17:59
#224
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Brazil _Awper
This has to be the most stupid and cringiest lawsuit i ever saw on CSGO.
2020-06-11 18:00
2 replies
Explain? Valve have been sued because of "illegal" skins etc stuff in America.
2020-06-11 18:32
why
2020-06-15 18:33
hahahahhaha
2020-06-11 18:01
Hope he lose.
2020-06-11 18:01
1 reply
-1
2020-06-15 18:34
Lawsuit? He's suing Valve for banning his cheating ass? Fucking disgusting rat kid, just like whole ENCE squad.
2020-06-11 18:03
2 replies
Another one that doesnt understand at all. The money itself isnt important, its him wanting to be unbanned. The money is basically the estimate of what he would have gotten in salary over at OG. But if Valve and Jamppi settle in court and Jamppi gets unbanned, he wouldnt want the money.
2020-06-11 18:31
well it could be true that the account wasn't his and life long ban for that is kind of extreme. tho it will be bad if Valve actually lifts his bans but i would like to see it, i think jamppi has most potential in finnish cs scene
2020-06-11 18:32
easy money for Jamppi
2020-06-11 18:33
1 reply
no
2020-06-15 18:34
Hope he gets banned for life in every CS tournament. there is no place for cheaters here. 300k lmao, he will never see this money.
2020-06-11 19:15
4 replies
So s1mple should also be banned for life in every CS tournament because there is no place for cheaters?
2020-06-11 19:31
2 replies
#255
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Russia rsvt
v$m definitely should
2020-06-11 19:40
1 reply
Why is that? He was a kid when he cheated lol.
2020-06-11 19:51
+1
2020-06-15 18:34
#249
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Russia rsvt
He states that he sold the account that was VAC banned after the deal. It's against Steam Subscriber Agreement though. Imagine Valve get serious with this situation and actually ban Jamppi even from the entire Steam and he's gonna be banned from even having an account :D
2020-06-11 19:34
3 replies
Yes, like i said in other comments. He could be in trouble because he sold the account, but that wouldnt ban him for life from majors. "Valve get serious with this situation and actually ban Jamppi even from the entire Steam and he's gonna be banned from even having an account :D" ??????????? Why would they do that? lol
2020-06-11 19:39
2 replies
#257
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Russia rsvt
just for lulz? Is there a stated punishment for breaking Steam Subscriber Agreement rules? I don't think so so it's up to Valve to make decisions how to deal with those. And they can permaban him because he didn't only respect their decision to ban him only on Valve majors and even went to file a lawsuit. Jamppi will never win such a lawsuit, he literally broke Steam rules and Valve has all the rights on CSGO and it's scene so they are a regulator
2020-06-11 19:45
1 reply
"just for lulz?" ??? Bro, they are a serious company... "because he didn't only respect their decision to ban him only on Valve majors and even went to file a lawsuit" ????????????????????????????????????? Why would he respect it IF HE ACTUALLY DIDNT CHEAT?! If he actually can prove that it wasnt him? Wtf? " Jamppi will never win such a lawsuit" Depends. Finnish law and US law is different, and this case will be handled in Finland and not USA.
2020-06-11 19:49
#252
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United States jax9
Jamppi vs Harvard dropout. I think Jamppi would be unbanned
2020-06-11 19:38
4 replies
Its Jamppi vs Valve Corporation, not Jamppi vs Gabe Newell. GabeN owns like...55% of Valve since 2000.
2020-06-11 19:45
3 replies
#260
valde | 
United States jax9
Valve isn't as utopian as people think. They'd make arrangements to unban him as he was not found cheating in blast or dreamhack which is a strong argument. Ence are not dumb cattle to invest in a cow which doesn't give out milk. He's talented player too on top of that.
2020-06-11 19:49
2 replies
Exactly.
2020-06-11 19:50
this
2020-06-14 06:23
#256
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Poland morosek
UNban every single vac banned player or don't unban anyone. As simple as that.
2020-06-11 19:43
7 replies
No? If Jamppi can actually prove he didnt cheat, then unban him. If he cant, then dont unban him. Same goes with players like KQLY, Emilio, v$m etc etc.
2020-06-11 19:47
6 replies
#265
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Poland morosek
He don't have to cheat by himself to be vac banned. It was his account so he's one responsible for EVERY ACTION TAKEN on that account. Valve rules.
2020-06-11 19:53
5 replies
For the love of god. Jamppi SOLD the account to his friend. Yes, that is against T.O.S to do so, but it wasnt his account at the time. This is probably something Jamppi will try to prove in court.
2020-06-11 19:54
4 replies
#267
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Poland morosek
Doesn't matter. Also, how is he able to prove it? He will bring a random dude that will confirm that he bought an account from jamppi? Kek
2020-06-11 19:55
3 replies
Smh...yes it does? Because the account could have or was at the time, in the hands of his friend/ex-friend. Yes, Jamppi 100% deserve some punishment for selling the account since its against T.O.S, but, if he can prove he didnt cheat then he shouldnt be VAC banned.
2020-06-11 19:56
2 replies
#274
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Poland morosek
If he somehow can prove that he didn't cheat then gl for him yet its not that easy as You might think my friend.
2020-06-11 20:04
1 reply
I never said it was easy mate. I said in multiple comments that he needs proof/evidence, something Jamppi and his lawyer might have, we will see on Monday, Finnish people told me thats when the court starts.
2020-06-11 20:06
I believe it is unfair for everything that the case has been presenting, but I don't blame Valve, punishments like this discourage many young guys to use cheater because the 'sentence' is big Also, if he says that sould the account it's wrong anyway, took the risk. The only part I can't take it's asking for 300k are you fucking kidding me, how do you do something wrong and still ask for money
2020-06-11 19:56
3 replies
"Also, if he says that sould the account it's wrong anyway, took the risk." Yes, because thats against Valve T.O.S, but does that mean he should be banned for life from major if he actually can prove he didnt cheat? And once again, for the 345823853285 time, the 300k is just to make Valve take this serious, i promise you, if Valve settle with Jamppi in court and say "Sure, we will unban you" he wont ask for the 300k
2020-06-11 19:59
He lost about 300k cuz of VALVE, so it's reasonable to ask for 300k. He could make so much in OG, but valve fucked all up.
2020-06-11 19:59
1 reply
He would not ever have had an opportunity to earn that much money if not CS:GO created by Valve. The guy breaks the rules and then tries to shit on the organisation and community in general by his ridiculous bluff-like lawsuit. IMO that's just disgusting.
2020-06-12 09:56
CHEATER /closed
2020-06-11 20:04
1 reply
opened
2020-06-15 18:34
VAC shouldn't be perm
2020-06-11 20:05
1 reply
+1
2020-06-15 18:35
fuck that tard - cheats = ban /close
2020-06-11 20:18
5 replies
"<3 s1mple" So...what do you call s1mple then?
2020-06-11 20:24
3 replies
Some people say he cheated in 1.6, but funny how they seem to forget "once a cheater, always a cheater" when talking about p1mple.
2020-06-12 09:43
2 replies
#309
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Russia ToughGuy
S1mple accepted he was cheating in 1.6 while jamppi cant do this when valve proved his cheating xdddd
2020-06-12 10:17
dont compare 1.6 to go and #309
2020-06-14 21:33
s1mple fan haha
2020-06-15 18:35
In the lawsuit according the first article in newspaper says that Jamppi created the banned account in 2015 in lan-games that was arranged in his parents place. He bought cs for that account with his parents credit card (with permission) and then 'sold' it to his friend. So basically he created an account for his friend, who gave money (what was cs prize that time?) to Jamppi because he couldn't buy it without credit card. Interesting case overall.
2020-06-11 21:03
5 replies
"He bought cs for that account with his parents credit card (with permission) " can this be proven?
2020-06-12 09:37
1 reply
Dunno, Valve hasn't said anything about how they concluded that it was Jamppis account. Either they have traced ip and saw it was used for Jamppis account aswell at the time of cheating (which means Jamppi cheated) or Valve has traced accounts that used the same credit card and banned every one of them. If thats the case, then one question (of many) is that if you use your credit card to buy your child/friend/parent who doesn't have a credit card a game from shop and they are banned, are you responsible for it?
2020-06-12 11:24
#410
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Finland HARD4ENCE
That selling part to a friend is obviously bullshit but in any case people do stupid stuff at young age and in this case shouldn't be punished for a lifetime for it.
2020-06-15 16:06
2 replies
"That selling part to a friend is obviously bullshit" How do you know that?
2020-06-15 16:07
1 reply
#414
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Well I don't for a hundred percent but that's the primary excuse every cheater ever used whenever they got caught. It was always a friend, never themselves.
2020-06-15 16:15
hope he loses
2020-06-11 21:51
hope he gets banned forever for shitting on the organisation that actually gave him a possibility to achieve something in life.
2020-06-12 09:52
Whatever, Jamppi. People have to give up their early dreams for all sorts of reasons... bad back, academics and so on. Valve doesn't owe you a second chance to profit from their events, go do something else.
2020-06-12 09:57
lmao
2020-06-12 10:10
#308
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Russia ToughGuy
Why he just cant accept that he cheated? Valve confirmed that he was cheating from his computer
2020-06-12 10:15
i dont understand..... CSGO is Valves game. They can ban whatever they want and dont need to explain anything. Stupid kids crying and asking for explanations are stupid.
2020-06-12 13:19
lmaoooo imagine cheating then crying because you can't play in majors? Stupid autistic child expect nothing less from Finns
2020-06-12 13:21
#322
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Turkey Berhava!
Not gonna happen anyway nothing to talk about
2020-06-12 13:25
mby it is a tactic for a counter offer, that he only get's unbanned
2020-06-12 15:39
1 reply
Well yes, of course it is. If they settle in court he 101% wont demand the money.
2020-06-12 20:38
I think jamppi take ace vs valve.
2020-06-12 16:08
he's out of his mind
2020-06-12 16:52
17 replies
Why?
2020-06-12 20:37
6 replies
He will never ever win this against Valve and he's in the wrong as well.
2020-06-13 18:05
5 replies
"He will never ever win this against Valve and he's in the wrong as well." 1. We dont know that, Valve needs to follow EU laws in EU as well. 2. How is he in the wrong? Can you prove that it was Jamppi that had the ownership of the account? 3. The only wrong thing he did was selling his account, but that shouldnt be punished with permban in major and VAC.
2020-06-13 18:41
4 replies
point 3 is the reason why it took so long to respond by valve. they don't have any solid proof that jamppi would not have sold the account. if you think about the situation you prevent young talent to compete because he MAY have been cheating in public server when he was young kid, it would raise hell most likely. almost every pro player has at least 1 vac banned account in history or ESL banned (s1mple :D) and they are still able to play. will valve pay that money? i think they will not but they will lift that ban for sure, they don't want to lose the fight so they will make a compromise for lifting ban but not paying the 300k.
2020-06-13 18:50
What EU law says about cheating on a video game?
2020-06-14 05:44
2 replies
I am not even gonna give you an answer on your stupid comment. Lol.
2020-06-14 11:51
#418
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United Kingdom Cosharek
Racing, poker, football and all other sports are also games. Same laws apply to video games as they do to real life games
2020-06-15 16:17
it's important that Valve realize that their approach to certain ban cases is flawed. They don't even remotely care about Jamppi, but he's got a case to fight for and they'll now realize that. Just ignoring a case isn't the right approach. If Jamppi is successful it might open the door for ibp players to appeal.
2020-06-14 06:04
9 replies
It's Valve's game so they can handle bans however they want and in Jampii's case I'd say the ban was fair and square, things from his story don't add up. I get that it's shitty for him but he just has to deal with it and learn from his mistakes, this isn't the way to go about it and in the legal battle he will most certainly lose imho. Bans don't carry over from other games and in the past it was that if you were banned in CS Source or 1.6 you weren't banned in GO anymore, now we most likely not see another CS for a while but maybe after a significant enough update they might nullify certain bans as a sign of good will but you can't force their hand in this since at the end of the day it's still their property.
2020-06-15 12:50
8 replies
#419
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United Kingdom Cosharek
You bought something from them making it your property
2020-06-15 16:18
7 replies
yeah and he can still play the game it's valve's right to deny him from their servers though and especially the events THEY host. He no longer has access to the servers with the banned account, rightfully so. And he has no longer access to their events as an individual, rightfully so. He can still attend events hosted by third parties, nothing impedes him from attending them. Your argument makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever and thinking otherwise would be ignorant and foolish.
2020-06-15 16:28
6 replies
#431
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United Kingdom Cosharek
It wasn't an argument, I was just stating against your statement saying its their property. Dont care about jampi, but I also think if he is smart he wouldn't take this case to court without having any sort of evidence in his favour.
2020-06-15 17:59
5 replies
The IP, VAC and their events are their property and I referred to them being as such so they have all the right to deny him from attending events they host if they feel that way. Jamppi is just throwing a temper tantrum instead of accepting his own mistakes and learning from them, if he actually goes through with the lawsuit he will most certainly lose.
2020-06-16 00:32
4 replies
To elaborate further: You buy a license to play the game you don't buy the game (the IP etc.) itself. Yes they can't refuse you playing the game after you bought this license but they can deny you access to all things surrounding the game since again, it's their property.
2020-06-16 01:00
3 replies
#557
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United Kingdom Cosharek
True but you can't say he is throwing a temper tantrum either, don't get me wrong I'm not defending him. Just looking at this case with an open mindset, if he wins the case great, if he loses the case great. Let's see how it rolls out
2020-06-16 13:03
2 replies
I just see it as a kid wasting time and money on not admitting his own mistakes and shifting blame. He was clearly in the wrong and broke ToS at least in the bare minimum. HE is the reason OG didn't want him, not Valve. HE is the reason his pro carreer is in jeopardy, not Valve and yet he's trying to shift the blame on them just because they decided to ban him from majors. He was the one that acted stupid and got linked to banned accounts, yes kids make stupid mistakes and we can't really fault them for it I guess but still they would have to face the consequences and learn from their mistakes. I do see this as a temper tantrum, no other way to label it imho. As I do consider it to be a temper tantrum when you start blaming everyone but yourself even though you know the blame is fully on yourself . And if he truly thinks he isn't in the wrong here in the slightest he is just a delusional fool to me, he should be old enough by now to realise what he did was stupid and that he has himself to blame after all "Your account, your responsibility". And I don't have to wait to see how it'll roll out since I know he doesn't have a single leg to stand on legally and will just get BTFO'd out of the courtroom, which in turn will give people more things to laugh about over him.
2020-06-16 13:20
1 reply
#562
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United Kingdom Cosharek
Considering finish law allows resale Of personal property including digital accounts and items he didn't break the tos if we take that into account
2020-06-16 15:39
#346
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Finland Jermu
is there anyway to look at his ip address. doesn't those have personal shit etc...
2020-06-13 19:15
2 replies
he'd be dumb not let them check the ip addresses, it's like his only chance of getting what he wants (unless of course he DID cheat and tries to hide it)
2020-06-14 06:04
Valve's leaked email already confirmed that cheating happened all the time from Jamppi's computer
2020-06-14 08:59
I bet this forum will get 600 replies total after the official statement is made... unless Jamppi loses and they make a Jamppi laugh thread or Jamppi wins and they make a Jamppi complain thread
2020-06-14 06:02
oh jamppi byebye
2020-06-14 06:06
he might have a good chance because of the finnish law
2020-06-14 06:11
1 reply
zero chance because finnish court doesn't have jurisdiction to decide what foreign company can do in other countries
2020-06-14 08:58
They have good point in jamppi's side. He was kid, banned for life without hearing, in all other sports cheaters dont get banned for life, I think this could make it
2020-06-14 08:08
18 replies
He still lie about it when he is adult, so it proves that he haven't changed at all = deserve lifetime ban And CSGO is different than other sports, it die fastly if you let cheaters to pro events. There are much more cheaters in eSports than in real sport
2020-06-14 08:59
3 replies
Proof that he lies ? Ah yes none. Proof that there are more cheaters at esports, none, plenty of cheaters go undetected in normal sports, check combat sports, most are juicing, in esports cheating only common in fps
2020-06-14 12:01
2 replies
according to leaked valve-jamppi email, cheating happened in Jamppi's computer there are over million cheaters in csgo and like 2 million players in any real sport u don't want statistics that half of hobbyist are cheating
2020-06-14 15:07
1 reply
Okok makes sense then it sadly deserved for jamppi.
2020-06-14 15:53
watch what happens when you let cheater compete again. Olympia with Russia starter everyone knows they cheating and is losing a lot of value. Even the athletes have no fun to give their best. Tour de France was fucked a lot cuz of that. They lost probably 90% of their viewers. Good job let knowing cheaters compete. Or a simple question. Do you wanna see Forsaken at a major? no fucking disgusting what he did.
2020-06-14 09:02
13 replies
Forsaken completely different cases, olympic athletes are grown ups vs jamppi as a kid
2020-06-14 11:58
5 replies
doesn't point on the thing that if you let cheater compete you throw the value of the game/sport/genre into the trash.
2020-06-14 12:09
2 replies
Which sports value has gone to trash when they ban competitors for 1-2 year mostly because of cheating ? Boxing ? Mma ? Cycling ? Swimming ? Sprint ? Skiing ? All still watched with the same value, also even if jamppi gets green light to compete after lawsuit it doesnt really set bad precedent because he had to fight for it in court, i dont think cheaters are ready to do that because if they were cheaters they would lose anyway
2020-06-14 12:53
1 reply
actually it decreases. As mention, Tour de France lost huge numbers of viewers and support and sponsorships- Olympia is still a billion business but it harmed a lot by the corruption of the ICO and by the cheater scandals and that they let them still start. Even the competer think every time about a boycott. Most viewer above 40+ years old means in 50 years nobody will watch it.
2020-06-15 13:00
#376
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Europe letqpena
Forsaken actually partially similar; he is not eligible to play in tournaments sponsored by Valve because of links to VAC banned accounts, not because he did a bit of aimlocking in a LAN tournament. All that did was give him a 5-year ESIC ban.
2020-06-14 12:59
1 reply
Ok true didnt think of that, good point
2020-06-14 13:53
Yeah think about 14yo athlete getting banned for lifetime in any olympic sports? :D
2020-06-15 12:54
6 replies
Nope and that is why Olympia became a shit show. Nobody takes it it seriously- This happens when you accept to corrupt your sports by cheaters
2020-06-15 12:55
5 replies
Just to make sure, u think first time cheating 14 year olds should be banned for lifetime in olympic sports?
2020-06-15 13:06
4 replies
all cheaters should be banned from competitive level. To protect the integrity of the game. Gaben and Valve agree with me and that is in the end what matters.
2020-06-15 13:37
3 replies
Yeah but did he cheat in a competitive game?
2020-06-15 14:10
2 replies
it doesn't matter. He is branded as a cheater in csgo. Also, a random MM is competitive.
2020-06-15 14:38
1 reply
He isnt branded as a cheater, not all but most people cheat in some sports or game as a child, its completely different than doing it in age of 18 for example.
2020-06-15 15:09
Ungrateful greedy kid. Hope he stays banned
2020-06-14 09:07
12 replies
#370
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Finland subhumen
Nothing ungrateful about starting a lawsuit because of a possibly false ban
2020-06-14 12:01
10 replies
i mean u wouldn't start a lawsuit if u knew that u are guilty or idk
2020-06-15 13:20
5 replies
Its pretty much irrelevant whether he was guilty or not - theres no complete evidence. Its just that is ban for a lifetime justified in this kind of case?
2020-06-15 14:12
4 replies
He is only ban from Valve Tournaments and I am pretty sure TO got the right to ban anyone that they want
2020-06-15 14:14
3 replies
Yeah did i say they didnt have?
2020-06-15 15:03
1 reply
so why is Jamppi sueing Valve
2020-06-15 15:05
Bruh? "He is only ban from Valve Tournaments" EXACTLY?! The biggest tournament in CSGO?! Also, to answer your comment #399 above here: He is sueing Valve for money so they take this seriously, he most likely dont want the money but he want Valve and himself to settle in court that if Jamppi gets unbanned he wont demand the money.
2020-06-15 15:22
asking for 200k and expecting to get unbanned both from the same company, it's just delusional
2020-06-15 16:19
3 replies
#476
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Finland subhumen
Delusional for sure but greedy? That's the amount he would have earned in salary if he wouldve signed for OG
2020-06-15 18:32
2 replies
well, he thinks he's completely innocent and he's the one who's being hurt even though he cheated himself lmao. It's just dumb, he lost it all because it's his own fault, this court and especially asking for big money won't help him either
2020-06-15 18:44
1 reply
#506
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Finland subhumen
How do you know he cheated? Bring a source next time :D and AFAIK he didn't break any of valves rules in selling his account
2020-06-15 18:48
+1
2020-06-15 16:18
I'm rooting for him but he doesn't stand chance
2020-06-14 12:34
1 reply
Well. Thing is, we dont know what sort of evidence Jamppi and his lawyer got. Also, he could stand a chance, Valve might settle in court that they keep the money Jamppi wants for him to be unbanned, but idk.
2020-06-15 15:25
F jamppi he is banned
2020-06-15 14:15
1 reply
#404
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Finland FlNLAND
trust me bro
2020-06-15 15:24
lol
2020-06-15 15:22
this is ridiculous. Imagine you have make the game and you cant even ban whoever you want xD
2020-06-15 16:08
3 replies
Not that simple, people have rights. UEFA can't just ban footballers unless they have good reason to, like a player getting caught match-fixing or something. And even then they aren't lifetime bans. Especially if the transgression occurred in a non-competitive event by barely a teenager.
2020-06-15 18:42
2 replies
Jamppi should say that he is gay and then call valve homophobic to get unban
2020-06-15 18:43
1 reply
300 IQ
2020-06-15 20:17
Plez unban mi Volvae, my grandpa used my accunt and he was chiting but im inyocent, ples unbon me volvuea
2020-06-15 18:25
2 replies
cringe
2020-06-15 18:42
Cringe
2020-06-15 18:45
He cheated, he deserves to get a lifetime ban.
2020-06-15 18:40
5 replies
So if somebody drives over someone with your car you want to go to jail? Lmao
2020-06-15 18:41
4 replies
if you run someone over with your car but you put a barrack obama mask on, does this mean obama killed them
2020-06-15 18:53
3 replies
I'm Polish retard and i don't get this, can u explain?
2020-06-15 18:56
2 replies
jamppi says it was his friend and there is no evidence of this, so its like putting on a mask and saying someone else ran them over
2020-06-15 18:57
1 reply
Lol, if u think so i don't have anything to say, u are right lmao.
2020-06-15 18:59
imagine he will lose it and then pay all the suit shit axaxax retarded finlando kid
2020-06-15 18:40
10 replies
CIS brain at work
2020-06-15 18:43
9 replies
What it has to do with suit you little bitch? He will lose it then pay all the lawsuit work if it will go futher you little bitch :D now stfu and eat ma shit
2020-06-15 18:44
8 replies
he has financial support and a lawsuit is the only way to get out of his situation.. u think he and his lawyer/management didnt think about every possibility before starting it? a lawsuit was the right and only option for him...but i wouldnt expect an alcoholic like u to understand this
2020-06-15 18:51
7 replies
still wont get anything from this.
2020-06-15 18:52
1 reply
i dont think so either...but it remains to be seen.
2020-06-15 18:54
He has 0 chance. He should just admit the thruth and ask for forgiveness and amnisty and pray for that. This lawsuit will lead neither way and he will be even more responsible for his actions and suited for lying and giving false information. I bet Valve has all the cards to proof he actually cheated on his own PC
2020-06-15 18:56
4 replies
#529
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Finland 7ones
You are not very intelligent if you think he has 0 chance.
2020-06-16 00:34
3 replies
I am pretty much convinced he did try cheat so
2020-06-16 00:37
2 replies
#531
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Finland 7ones
Me too. But even then the price is too big to pay for a teenager. Valve cannot play god even though it is their game and opportunities created.
2020-06-16 00:41
1 reply
Yeah thats for sure. Cheating is not killing so
2020-06-16 09:41
"chat shit get banned" -Valve
2020-06-15 18:50
hacker vac ban him again
2020-06-15 18:50
ugly kid wont get unbanned simple lmfao. finland butthurt.
2020-06-15 18:57
If he really cheated I hope he loses. If he didn't cheat, I hope he will win.
2020-06-15 18:58
so, wheres the update on this? any source/linkz?
2020-06-15 19:25
3 replies
There isn't coming any update. Jamppi and his lawyer bluffed all long and Valve called their bluff and empty hand. My finnish friends told that his lawyer said in finnish news that "they were not happy, but will do nothing, maybe at autumn they react" basically they just try get people forget by that time that Jamppi ever tried to scam money from Valve Jamppi knew all long that Valve haven't broken any rules and law suite was left in wrong country No lawsuite coming, it was lie and bluff all the time
2020-06-15 20:35
2 replies
ty 4 the reply m8. very disappointing. I will not popcorn tonight :( jamppi lost cause confirmed
2020-06-15 21:28
? 0/8.
2020-06-16 01:38
I'm hoping something actually happens
2020-06-16 01:39
10 replies
i hope the ban stays))
2020-06-16 01:51
9 replies
yikes why? hes a great talent, and this is going to be another young really good talent wasted
2020-06-16 02:15
8 replies
Because he cheated.
2020-06-16 03:52
7 replies
Forsaken got banned for 5 years for blatant cheating. He was an adult with full knowledge of the consequences. Jamppi was 12, it was in 2013 (7 years ago), and we don't even know if it was him who did the cheating. A full-grown man gets 5 years for blatant cheating on a stage, but a 12 year old, who might not even be the one who cheated, is banned for life. Ok
2020-06-16 05:21
6 replies
+1
2020-06-16 05:33
because forsaken cheated on a ESL event and not a valve sponsored event but i get your point, pretty unfair for yampi
2020-06-16 10:05
Yep, Forsaken was banned retroactively despite being clearly caught but just not by VAC so he was completely fine to play for a year until valve got their shit together.
2020-06-16 13:32
So what if he was 12? i have played cs long time and i have never cheated...
2020-06-16 18:30
2 replies
no one asked about you
2020-06-16 20:35
1 reply
Im an alpha-male i dont care if you ask or not)) now go back to streets))
2020-06-17 02:41
#540
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Denmark Patreon
here's what's gonna happen, gaben will threaten to pull away ence music kit from the game, which compose 70% of finland 2020 gdp, other 30% is saunas, and you know the rest of the story
2020-06-16 02:30
1 reply
xDD you are wrong, it is 90% sauna, 10% pantsdowntekno.
2020-06-16 09:54
the boomer judge will not have any idea of what is happening and will quickly dismiss the case
2020-06-16 11:46
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