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Is it fair to give the upper bracket teams an one map advantage in a BO5 for making it through upper bracket?
2020-06-14 21:27
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I hate it
2020-06-14 21:27
I take it as a personal hate to it.
2020-06-14 21:28
doesnt matter cos EZ4BIG
2020-06-14 21:28
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inspirational story from online bug clan. jk jk congratz big must be great feeling
2020-06-14 21:34
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Canada JC_123
it's shit
2020-06-14 21:28
Yes it is
2020-06-14 21:28
at least liquid got the first map pick, unlike big
2020-06-14 21:29
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NT
2020-06-14 21:29
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wtf do u mean NT, i am furia fan
2020-06-14 21:30
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sorry men i misunderstood what you had said.
2020-06-14 21:38
and they lose lol
2020-06-14 21:29
makes the final worse but it's fair
2020-06-14 21:29
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but lower bracket goes through a lot to make it to final. Also 1 map advantage is so huge
2020-06-14 21:30
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but if there's a team you know you're gonna win in the lower bracket what's preventing you from showing fake strats and losing on purpouse in the upper bracket
2020-06-14 21:31
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not worth the risk facing elimination unless you are very confident in your consistency. I mean i guess an advantage to upper bracket is fair but a map is so huge
2020-06-14 21:32
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I'm not saying it's a good format, it's just fair tbh
2020-06-14 21:33
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yea rather see other formats
2020-06-14 21:33
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Sweden sesar
because you have played a group stage, and the team will see that they are switching starts. Also it's no guarantee to get to the final if you lose upper bracket, so I can't see a team willing to risk a place at the final just to "show fake strats"
2020-06-14 21:33
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+1
2020-06-14 22:49
You shouldnt get rewarded for losing
2020-06-14 22:27
I hate it too
2020-06-14 21:29
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2020-06-14 21:29
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Albania bizhuy
i don't like it, just playing less games and having more time to study your opponents is enough advantage imo also they have less chances to be eliminated
2020-06-14 21:31
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Used to be a disadvantage Teams used to fail when they took a day or so off from games
2020-06-14 22:29
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Albania bizhuy
you mean like the lower bracket team practicing more and having momentum or something like that?
2020-06-14 22:38
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Yeah there was a long period of time where the 2 teams who went straight to semis never won the tournament Keeping the momentum is important
2020-06-14 22:54
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Albania bizhuy
Yeah i can see that
2020-06-14 22:56
terrible format, u can win the entire final just by simply winning ur map picks
2020-06-14 21:29
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+1
2020-06-14 21:30
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United Kingdom Aqishimaaa
i think its fair, but it just makes the final suck (rootin for furia though :D )
2020-06-14 21:30
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how is it fair ? never seen that kind of lead advantage on normal sport
2020-06-14 21:36
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United Kingdom Aqishimaaa
its fair cuz it rewards the team who has performed best throughout the tournament, it sucks cuz it kills some of the fun of the final. also, this isnt a normal sport, but it is common in a lot of eSports to do this though
2020-06-14 21:37
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they get reward after they win why reward them befor thats bs also they have better rating and stats from upper bracket its just unfair advantage in my opinion and if you really need some kind of reward just give them more money just like 10-20% of price pool for upper bracket finalist no matter if they end up winning or not, so we would still have fair competition
2020-06-14 21:51
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United Kingdom Aqishimaaa
idk mens i didnt make the rules
2020-06-14 22:17
Its stupid might as well play a BO3 but I am a fan of having double elimination playoffs
2020-06-14 21:31
it's weird cause you'd think the advantage of going through upper bracket is enough since you don't have to play more matches or same day matches, but then you add on a 1 map advantage? It's probably just for time and maybe costs less to broadcast.
2020-06-14 21:31
Yes
2020-06-14 21:31
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Brazil Ferba
I don`t think so but just cause you`re a burger guy i will say yes
2020-06-14 21:31
yes, it is, because you have to have a advantage for the team that came from upper bracket
2020-06-14 21:32
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Brazil ze_maneiro
liquid would also lose with it was a normal bo5
2020-06-14 21:33
yes, you should give and advantage to the time that never lost. good format
2020-06-14 21:33
no first map pick would be enough
2020-06-14 21:33
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so they pick other team perma ban and 1-0 lmao just save time
2020-06-14 22:03
IT'S FAIR cry as much as you want, as long as there are brackets the upper one should have a clear advantage or play knockout with no 2nd chance like majors
2020-06-14 21:34
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its fair but the format isnt much fun tbh
2020-06-14 21:35
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yeah it's quite trash, too many waste maps
2020-06-14 21:39
no read #45
2020-06-14 21:52
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sorry but I don't think this is a really good solution, people care about winning the tournament so they should be awarded advantage in that regard and what I am saying doesn't mean I like the 1-0 advantage but because it's BO5 you don't have any other variant of advantage that you can give In my opinion a good alternative would be a bo3 with the upper bracket team instantly banning 2 maps instead of 1 it's in a way much less advantage than current situation, but the BO5 1-0 is like so "op"
2020-06-14 22:01
ofc it is you gotta have an advantage for coming from the upper bracket
2020-06-14 21:36
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#63
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United States Zysyphian
The advantage is advancing past two BO3s and being given double elim. The map advantage just makes it insanely unfair
2020-06-14 22:26
#39
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Germany BIG2020
actually its terrible for the final itself. but it seems to be the only way to make it fair for getting through upper bracket.
2020-06-14 21:38
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Brazil ftf123
i prefer 1 ban extra in map vetoes in first phase... but its too high iq
2020-06-14 21:38
It's not about it being fair, but the format that makes it necessary is fucking dumb It makes the final way less interesting.
2020-06-14 21:38
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Poland Pelincha
i prefer 1 more pick, but its ok for me
2020-06-14 21:39
its fair but i hate it, the format is dumb, and 1 more map wouldnt hurt anyone
2020-06-14 22:01
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Germany BIG2020
+1
2020-06-14 22:32
It's fair but the format is dumb
2020-06-14 22:03
If you use this format, then you should give an advantage to upper bracket team, but... This format is shit and they shouldn't be using it. They should do normal playoffs
2020-06-14 22:04
Upper bracket should get some bonus cash not a map advantage
2020-06-14 22:04
#54
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Brunei Not_StriK
It is the fair thing to do but certainly not so fun to watch
2020-06-14 22:19
Fucking hate this one.
2020-06-14 22:20
more cash, pick advantage and choose the side of the first map, should be the advantage, 1 map already is say who is the winner, (unlikely for G2, lol)
2020-06-14 22:21
no
2020-06-14 22:23
as a furia fan, i say it is. today we still let liquid pick mirage before us so they could have a chance to make a good finals but they didn't enjoy it
2020-06-14 22:24
a map advantage is just too much (G2 situation is very rare)
2020-06-14 22:25
of course its fair, the best team wins in a bo3, you have no excuse if you get stomped 2x like LULquid did, dont forget BIG won their match today after being 0x2, so nt
2020-06-14 22:27
that was made to a team that lose at the start of playoffs cause got the best team as the opponent get a better positioning in championship. yes, the final game kinda sucks but u need to understand that if was made as default the other one would be already eliminated.
2020-06-14 22:27
Furia would've smashed Lulquit even from 0-2 and 0-10 down so it doesn't matter anyway.
2020-06-14 22:28
Should have to win 2 best of 3s against the upper bracket team
2020-06-14 22:31
I don't like it tbh, lower bracket team had to fight more so you shouldn't discourage them
2020-06-14 22:32
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That was their punishment for losing why bring the team that hasnt lost to their level
2020-06-14 22:55
Feel like its fine in this format, but for one, the same team shouldn't get the same pick, like with the BIG match I feel like its very likely to start with a 2-0 disadvangage Generally I feel like single eleminations playoffs are a better format, there's a reason not a single real sport plays double elim, DH just did it to get more viewtime due to many viewers during corona as there're more matches
2020-06-14 22:34
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I saw that it's crazy how G2 couldn't finish it off
2020-06-14 22:50
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Brazil wololo10
It's shit, advantage should be 1 extra map pick or ban
2020-06-14 22:40
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Yes one map is such a huge advantage man
2020-06-14 22:49
it is fair BUT IT IS A SHITTY FORMAT, so fucking boring makes me wanna kms
2020-06-14 22:49
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Absolutely
2020-06-14 22:49
It sucks dick
2020-06-14 22:50
I dont think its good, I hate this format, you just making lower bracket to make the upper bracket start with 1-0 and also let the first pick, they had like 2-3 days to prepare so basically they will start with 2-0 it doesnt make any sence for the team from lower bracket then, the perfect system is International sistem when lower upper bracket start from 0-0
2020-06-14 22:53
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Having more days to prepare benefits very few teams
2020-06-14 22:56
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they have the same amounts of time to prepare
2020-06-14 23:31
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My point
2020-06-15 22:35
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Armenia TiBoN29
This format sucks
2020-06-14 22:58
tbh its completely fair dunno why so many retards complaining that its not, it might be more boring to watch, but its fair
2020-06-14 23:30
hella shit
2020-06-14 23:39
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Estonia kapsXD
It is, but as a viewer its not pleasent
2020-06-14 23:40
The advantage should be something like map choice priority (you get to choose all the maps in order or sth idk), being up an extra map is just waaay too much
2020-06-14 23:42
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United States JustBitsy
I can't stand it, I have argued against it for ever final made like this for the past year or more...
2020-06-14 23:43
It is if G2 get it :DDDDDDDDDDDD
2020-06-14 23:43
Yes it is
2020-06-14 23:46
This format is based on flawed logic. Not having to go through the lower bracket should be incentive enough, it is a big advantage to get seeded into the final directly for several reasons, having a map advantage is as unneeded as it gets. The only thing this does is decrease the chance of any team coming from the lower bracket to an extremely small number. This is especially bad in a tournament where some teams start the playoffs run in the lower bracket like in masters, because you basically can't win the tournament if you don't top your group. The group games are way too important here.
2020-06-14 23:49
well they need to be rewarded somehow by not losing right? bu 1 map i think its 1 much
2020-06-15 00:39
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