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Liberal Logic LUL
Stewie2K | 
United States tatsumi 
>Defund the police >Restrict access to a gun (ban assault rifles and handguns) Pick one OMEGALUL
2020-06-18 07:24
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Many Democrats are the first ones to rat to the police because they don't believe in self-protection through force, yet they picked up the "disband police" point with ease
2020-06-18 07:26
True LUL
2020-06-18 08:34
#5
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Germany Bier
I'm not into us politics but isn't 'disband the police' an exaggeration from right wingers? Isn't this just all about changing structures? I might be wrong tho, don't care anylonger about that circus overseas
2020-06-18 08:43
I may have been hyperbolic but I don't know, I don't follow their politics too closely
2020-06-18 08:45
#10
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Germany Bier
Atleast that's the wording their president used iirc. But he has a 'slight' tendency to exaggerate things aswell, as past has shown
2020-06-18 08:49
As much as I'm not a fan of Trump, all politicians exaggerate.
2020-07-29 17:53
Exaggerating is an easy way to manipulate people.
2020-07-29 17:58
#13
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Yugoslavia seeeed
Yes it is not about completely abolishing the police. American democrats just cannot name something properly. Yes there are anarchists which want to abolish the system entirely, but they also want to abolish the state soo
2020-06-18 08:53
Tell that to the Minneapolis Police Department... which was abolished!
2020-07-29 03:52
It’s more like defunding the police
2020-06-18 17:53
#27
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Turkey TheKaiser
And it's nowhere near disbanding the whole thing imho.
2020-07-28 02:22
#31
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United States krawfish23
just the retards on twitter actually want to disband the police and use social workers for arrest warrants
2020-07-28 02:43
#37
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United States krawfish23
nvm, jesus christ what i happening to this country
2020-07-28 03:14
I feel bad for you 😔
2020-07-29 12:19
not an exaggeration though the words disband the police are not used at rallies but rather "abolish the police" has been taken on as the Democrat platform
2020-07-28 03:13
#45
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United Kingdom p0mpouS
Yea its nonsense, i think as soon as you break into someones house you should forfeit almost all human rights, if not all.
2020-07-28 04:01
Robers will often have a weapon, pointing one at them increase madly the risk of you ending up dead.
2020-07-30 13:58
#74
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Canada cLutcheR7
+1
2020-07-29 14:57
i think those are two different people The ban guns type are mostly authoritarians, and Disband police are mostly anarchists
2020-06-18 07:26
Not really, many kids from my school who support defunding the police used to participate in the march for our lives shit
2020-06-18 08:35
#6
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Germany Bier
because kids are often known for their flawless logic
2020-06-18 08:44
+1
2020-06-18 08:55
+1
2020-06-18 14:20
#39
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United States vip3r_k1ng
+1
2020-07-28 03:15
+1
2020-07-29 15:30
wait what? random people are genuinely supporting the idea? thought it's a meme that only a bunch of lunatics take seriously
2020-07-28 02:57
it's not a meme, it's an actual threat to society currently going on
2020-07-28 03:14
people support taking away funds to police, and directing those funds to social workers who can better handle certain issues. (e.g. calling a social worker with a degree to handle someone with mental illness instead of a cop who has no relevant training) even police themselves will tell you they have too many responsibilities. and they are far too militarized by any sane standards.
2020-07-28 05:24
guess i found one of them
2020-07-28 05:43
#79
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India c0nsc10us
What the fuck is this? Are you actually serious?
2020-07-29 15:29
Go take a look at how you become a cop in America. It's easier to become one than a barber in America. Three times shorter training than in EU. Add to that fact they take in former military that have PSTD, the rampant corruption of unions that protect them no matter what and you have one of the worst police force in the world. Reforming it is needed.
2020-07-30 14:03
#106
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India c0nsc10us
And a social worker is supposed to be able to handle possible violent behaviour of the said person suffering from mental illness? I can completely understand the need for reform but what #53 suggests holds no logical basis in my opinion.
2020-07-30 15:54
I saw some videos, especially one where 2 fats cops discharge and kill an old hobo with a pipe because they escaladated things. Any normal sane cop in our country would have just tackled him to the ground in mere seconds and that was done. In the case of violent behaviour sure i agree with you. But there are numerous situation where a little bit of counseling would do the trick and cops are used instead. Given how little training they have i would fear calling the cops if i was in trouble in America thought. Just increasing the lenght of their training should be a mendatory first step. Being an armed cop after 6 months is not ok. They can even become swat member after 2 years. A fucking joke.
2020-07-30 17:04
#108
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India c0nsc10us
Fair point I guess, considering I don't know the actual ground reality except for the things I read on the internet. I'm still not convinced a social worker could do the job. It would be more meaningful to create a system that requires police to be qualified only after a 3 year course in handling and de-escalating situations, tactical knowledge etc. 6 months I agree is a joke.
2020-07-30 17:12
Well that's what i think too and would be perfect of course. I don't understand why no one is pushing for this in America.
2020-07-30 17:21
June 2020 and peoples still think its a good idea to allow guns
2020-06-18 08:45
When there are already 100's of millions of guns in the United States, you can't just "not allow guns" Criminals don't follow fuckin rules
2020-06-18 08:51
of course it would take years to completely get rid of them
2020-06-18 08:56
#40
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United States vip3r_k1ng
And it would be a terrible idea to get rid of guns too
2020-07-28 03:15
Bruh you can't have guns at KMART and shit it's seriously disgusting. It's done over a long period of time, crime won't disappear overnight, but it will fucking help if every nut doesn't have access to assault rifles.
2020-06-18 08:57
ah yes assault rifles have been the issue in the US this whole time wow. Gangs violence is just full of AR-15's and AK-47's they even have flashbangs and frag grenades wtf USA!?!
2020-06-18 10:16
Please define an assault weapon and give a specific example. And idk I’ve never seen a gun at a Kmart and if I did, why would that be a problem assuming they went through the same process as other gun stores?
2020-07-28 04:58
I wouldn’t be able to define what is an assault weapon, but this is apparently a pistol m.youtube.com/watch?v=90uifzJFqYk
2020-07-29 01:55
Small barrel Pistol grip Arm brace Yeah it’s a pistol. What’s the issue?
2020-07-29 03:45
The classic 223 pistol
2020-07-29 14:17
Yeah defund the police but take away our guns lol
2020-06-18 17:54
They don't understand how an armed society works
2020-07-28 02:12
This is a terrible idea. Taking away guns won't do anything to help anyone. Crime won't go down, because the government is ignoring the larger socio-economic problems that cause that crime. Moreover, people will be less afraid to commit violent crimes because they won't have to worry about getting shot. Gangs and large scale criminal organizations will still have guns. Guns can still be bought illegally, and all the crimes will still occur, especially since knife attacks and car bombings are just as effective. The only things that would go down will be school shootings, which is great, but the total deaths will be mostly unaffected since school shooting deaths are super small in the grand scheme of things. All you're doing by taking away guns is limiting the ability for the weak and untrained to defend themselves.
2020-07-28 02:22
It is possible that there will be an increased level of crime initially, but it's not the 1800s any more. Guns don't prevent crime. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_.. nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Un.. nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Fr.. nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Ge..
2020-07-28 04:13
big surprise, a smaller, less economically diverse country with a higher per-capita gdp has less crime then the USA. You didn't make any arguments, you just showed safer countries. Banning guns won't solve any of the problems the USA faces. Therefor guns shouldn't go away. Laws probably should be changed, but a flat ban on even AR15s won't effect anything, and will further hinder the individual's ability to defend them self.
2020-07-28 04:53
+1
2020-07-29 15:32
Also in 2015 a combined analysis of 15 different studies found that people who had access to firearms at home were nearly twice as likely to be murdered as people who did not. Everything can be disregarded when itcome to stats anyway. + This evidence has been slow to accumulate because of restrictions placed by Congress on one of the country's biggest injury research funders, the CDC. Since the mid-1990s the agency has been effectively blocked from supporting gun violence research. And the NRA and many gun owners have emphasized a small handful of studies that point the other way.
2020-07-30 17:16
Yeah, the gun lobby sucks. That original statistic is interesting, but could be caused by any number of things.
2020-07-30 18:33
#9
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Yugoslavia seeeed
Defund the police is a shit fucking name for the thing. I dont understand why they started with it because it doesnt mean literally defund the police. Just redistribute the police budget. Liberals are not for restricting access to guns.
2020-06-18 08:47
#12
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Germany Bier
yeah that's what i thought. Rightwingers and populism, what an iconic duo
2020-06-18 08:52
#17
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United States Trustelamp
Right because the LAPD School division needs a military grade land mine sensing armored truck. Most of us aren't for disbanding the police. The thought is that like the military the police receive to much of the budget. When instead it could be spent on things like, nuclear energy, education, healthcare, student debt, etc. Oh and here's the article about the truck: latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-schools-we.. (Keep in mind it is from 2014, but still the police haven't had reform/defund in decades).
2020-06-18 10:04
A worse police force is really gonna come into play when a bunch of robbers break into your house and you don’t have anything to arm yourself with
2020-06-18 17:55
To be fair here. 1) people dont rob to kill you, just give them what they want and pull from your insurance. 2) the police solves breakins, not stopping them as the robbers (those sneaky bastards) has learned through evolution, that rush hour is not the best time to rob a house. 3) the US has 3 times higher robbery per 100.000 capita than for example Denmark, so it sure as hell isn't working yet with the "good guys with guns" to reduce the statistics. Maybe you should have used more money on education instead of pouring money into the black hole you call military.
2020-07-28 02:25
shhhhhhhhh, dont limit his freedom
2020-07-28 03:55
Oh yeah, comparing Denmark to a country that has 1/3 of the population black or Latino. Name doesn’t check out.
2020-08-01 09:48
#9 #17 Defund the military too
2020-07-28 02:16
Defunding the military while China is ramping up their spending and becoming increasingly aggressive in the South China Sea? Not to mention rising nuclear threats and Iranian aggression? And even then I forgot about Russian attempts to take over the Baltic states? Great move! 👍
2020-07-28 05:05
I'm not super interested in this geopolitical game. we are not under any direct threat. we have never been under any direct threat. Our geopolitical advantages are so laughably insane we could cut military by 90% and Canada still wouldn't be able to touch us. we don't need to spend more money then the rest of the world combined, while running a massive deficit, while 26T in deficit, while domestically so many people still struggle. we as citizens have nothing to gain from playing the same proxy-war game we did with the soviets for 50 years. Nothing but death, destruction and totalitarianism came of it. China can do what they like as long as they aren't threatening us or our allies, that's all there is to it.
2020-07-28 05:12
Thankfully you're not in charge! You'd have us kissing China and Russia's asses in no time!
2020-07-29 15:41
#87
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Syria LONE_8122
You know, there does exist a middle ground to both your stances
2020-07-29 15:51
Russia is more of a graveyard then a world power, so i wouldnt worry about them :)
2020-07-29 22:55
Might aswell start worrying for india.
2020-08-01 07:28
they would be great allies the inabililty for people to take advantage of india strategic utility and economic potential is mind blowing
2020-08-01 07:31
Yeah Until 2014 india was ruled by the left wing With had no left winged ideologies other than being corrupt But since 2014 india has growm astoundingly under the right wing The rightwing again not having stern right ideologies They made lgbtq legal and scrapped the law which made them criminals But the "liberals" are as usual cripplimg their own country The politics in india is a mess no doubt...........but theres just so much potential visible.....be it any sector
2020-08-01 08:54
#25
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Poland Recruitn1
Isnt US a Union of states doesnt state decide what they wanna do they should make US referendums in states and ban these which don t want
2020-07-28 02:22
#30
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Sweden MaNiHa
as someone who lives in the US only a small number of radical leftists actually want to disband the police and even they arent 100% serious about it. The process of defunding police has nothing to do with abolishing police forces, but restructuring them and lowering the 115 billion dollar police budget since most of that money isn't used efficiently.
2020-07-28 02:28
Defund the militaristic police
2020-07-28 02:44
Classic joe biden speech
2020-08-01 07:29
imagine needing a gun for self protection
2020-07-28 02:48
#59
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Canada reeeZ75
you do when everyone else has one, otherwise you're just an idiot
2020-07-28 06:04
#71
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Turkey TheKaiser
Everybody else will get restricted too, not just you.
2020-07-29 14:29
Yes, thank god all the nice criminals will hand their guns to the police!
2020-07-29 15:34
#88
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Turkey TheKaiser
All the nice criminals weren't going to prison voluntarily, so they'll hand their guns to the police; whether they want or not.
2020-07-29 17:41
You have a wildly misinformed idea about what "defund the police" actually means
2020-07-28 03:29
So do the people pushing this lunacy! They all say different things!
2020-07-30 02:17
Even if defund the pigs meant what you thought it meant this thread is still incredibly stupid. You get 1 thread a day and waste it by opening one about a topic you are clueless about. Also I just wanted to point out that Trump has been using some of George Bush's contributions to the system and bringing out his military style forces onto the streets to deal with the "enemy". I mean they already expend the budget towards that, might as well go full martial law.
2020-07-28 03:47
#43
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China Rynaki
I really don't understand the "defund the police" argument. Isn't the obvious solution to having an under-trained police force to give them more funding so that they can receive better training? Police in the US receive less training and have fewer requirements than those in many European countries, where police violence is not as big of or is not an issue. Wouldn't defunding the police just make the incompetency issue that people are complaining about even worse?
2020-07-28 03:49
#52
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United States WumboCumbo
yes if anything they should want the police to be funded more so they can do their job properly lmfao
2020-07-28 05:21
"I really don't understand the 'defund the police' argument" followed by a paragraph in which you demonstrate that you aren't even aware of the basics of the argument. of course you don't understand it, moron.
2020-07-28 05:37
#60
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China Rynaki
Yes, I literally said I don't understand it, which is why I'm asking questions about it. Congratulations on displaying basic reading comprehension. If you're so knowledge on the subject, maybe you can explain it, instead of insulting a random person who is mostly unaware of a foreign situation and wants to learn more.
2020-07-29 01:44
Anyone who thinks legally owned guns are a problem have room temperature IQs. 4/5 gun crimes use an illegally purchased firearm, and legal firearms are used to prevent an estimated 500,000 crimes annually. Some basic 2nd grade math will tell you that guns don’t cause more crime. Thing is most of the people advocating for gun control stopped paying attention in math class because it wasn’t woke enough.
2020-07-28 05:02
it's so funny seeing right-wing conservatives throw shit a center-right neoliberal democrats as if they aren't identical except on like 2 minor issues grow up, read a book, become a communist, and then talk to me. thanks.
2020-07-28 05:27
You should take your first two steps. Do them. Then realize your last two steps are stupid as all hell.
2020-07-28 05:50
he should do one very drastic step after he finishes the third one
2020-07-29 17:49
#55
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United States _ATaXiA_
Everything you stated is too misleading. Who said any of this? Who do they represent? You've just pulled this shit out of thin air to be some edge lord. Me personally i would love to see my tax dollars go into schools instead of more ATVs/Trucks/Assault gear that my local cops have now. I live in a sub 2k population town, everyone knows each other and the biggest crime around here is drunk driving so i'm pretty sure we don't need two armored trucks and assault rifles. On the other issue i'm pro gun and i'm a democrat. There are a lot of us but you wont see that on TV or anything. I believe in the second amendment but i also think it's time we make sure guns don't end up in the wrong hands.
2020-07-28 05:36
Typical confused youth! A pro gun democrat! 😂👎
2020-07-29 14:23
#72
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United States _ATaXiA_
I'm 36 you moron. Being pro gun is not a bad thing, being anti-gun restrictions is. Stop being a fucking media cuck.
2020-07-29 14:40
Very crude language for a grown man, I have my doubts! As far as your comments about being a slave to the media... Am I missing something? You're the democrat! 😎
2020-07-29 14:50
#75
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United States _ATaXiA_
I couldn't care about your doubts, You are clearly a republicunt and of course you can't see anything outside of what daddy trump and Faux shows you. The democrats are not about abolishing the 2nd amendment no matter how many wal-mart t-shirts and bumper stickers you see that say so. We want gun control, We don't want your inbred uncle jeb running around with assault rifles anymore.
2020-07-29 14:58
Calm down and speak with some clarity! There's no need to get upset and hurl insults my friend! I figured you would have learned this after 36 years! Guess not! 😎
2020-07-29 15:07
#78
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United States _ATaXiA_
Sorry snowflake didn't realize you'd melt quicker than daddy trumps orange grease paint. I'm sure you've got a flag that says "These colors don't run" but it looks like your mascara does. Have a great day being a "proud amurican".
2020-07-29 15:28
Have a great day! Keep up that wonderful attitude! You were a pleasure to speak with young man! 😎👍
2020-07-29 15:29
#93
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United States RopzIsCute
Do you want to ban assault rifles?
2020-07-29 17:52
#98
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United States _ATaXiA_
No i don't. Assault rifles is a generic term. I think you mean automatic rifles, Full auto capable rifles. Those still should be allowed to be owned by civilians. I want better gun control not the removal of guns from law abiding people.
2020-07-30 02:13
What do you mean by better gun control?
2020-07-30 07:58
#102
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United States _ATaXiA_
In my state it's very easy to get a rifle, It still operates on face-to-face transfers that don't require an FFL. I could be a convicted felon but so long as the person selling me the rifle sees me as an upstanding citizen no one is any wiser to my background as a background check isn't required for what they consider a "long gun". Handguns are harder to obtain without a background check but any long gun can be sold from any person to any person without any background checks. I could sell any one of my guns to joe-schmoe and no one but the two of us involved would need to know. Thats very dangerous in my opinion.
2020-07-30 13:52
Would you want universal background checks?
2020-07-31 20:29
#116
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United States _ATaXiA_
Absolutely, And more strict checks. Anyone with assault charges shouldn't have a gun, but some assaults can be charged as misdemeanors and not as felonies which allows them to still own a gun. Anyone convicted of a violent crime or a crime with a weapon should have their right to own a gun taken away.
2020-07-31 23:03
How will you enforce that without a national public gun registry?
2020-08-01 07:03
#63
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United States FlagMaster
Defunding the police isn't liberal its progressive/anarchist and gun control is only liberal and not leftist
2020-07-29 03:47
#64
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Brazil DanieruBSB
They've even robbed the name Liberal, that shouldn't mean a leftist ideology, but it should mean a right one.
2020-07-29 03:48
#92
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United States RopzIsCute
Liberalism isn't left or right. It's socially pro-freedom and capitalistic in nature, but you can't really call that "right" because of the way people perverted the word "right"
2020-07-29 17:51
USA is fcked Americans dont want police, Thst country will be like hunger games
2020-07-29 12:12
Why has a 15 man department a budget from 200 Million per year?? that is what you should ask. In meanwhile no money for social workers or other projects that prevent crimes. USA logic... Make everything you have to do crimes to survive punish all of them
2020-07-29 12:57
#91
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United States RopzIsCute
+1
2020-07-29 17:50
Liberals are shame to humanity everywhere
2020-07-29 15:10
I don't understand people who want to get rid of the police. Actually, some BLM protestors walled off part of seattle (called CHAZ) and did not allow any police in. Not surprisingly many crimes happened such as robberies. I can see why people would want to defund, but it is not the answer. Instead, more funding should be put into the police and luckily both presidential candidates are both for it.
2020-07-29 15:46
#86
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Never get involved with politics...
2020-07-29 15:48
#90
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United States RopzIsCute
+1 That's not liberalism, though. People have dragged liberalism through the mud
2020-07-29 17:50
Agree. That's not liberalism
2020-07-29 17:56
2020-07-30 02:38
Imagine generalising society's service dedicated to protection and the thousands of workers genuinely working for the greater good only to have ignorant people rant on how you shouldn't have a job and should be despised.
2020-07-30 14:02
Police unions are like a mafia in the states. You can check videos of people trying to fill a complain against a police officer only to get shoved away, discouraged or even threatened sometimes. +how they manipulate evidence etc. The police officers are formed for roughly 6 months in the usa, less than a barber. How do you expect them to be efficient and know what to do with such training. Yes no generalisation should be made and defunding isn't the solution for me. They need to increase the training years drastically to have competent officers and stop barring people deemed too intelligent from joining etc.
2020-07-30 17:26
Pick both so criminals could steal more, 'cause they are opressed
2020-07-30 17:18
It's not fair to call these people liberals, the modern far left are the furthest thing from liberal, the are against, self defence, personal property, freedom of speech, responsibility. They are a cancer.
2020-07-30 17:28
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