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definition of a baiter
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France HLTV_NATIONAL_GUARD 
I'm seeing tons of players (everyone in top20 interestingly) being classified as baiter so I'm asking my self what is a baiter? Can you guys give me your definition of a baiter? What makes a player a baiter? What kind of behaviours are classified as baiting?
2020-06-19 11:07
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dying last
2020-06-19 11:08
can you elaborate on that ? why dying last makes you baiter ? imagine someone being the lurker and all his teammates die on a bombsite while he is waiting behind, he is a baiter ?
2020-06-19 11:11
pretty much #11
2020-06-19 11:21
That is ropz.
2020-06-19 11:48
kinda yes. a baiter is someone that lets his teammate do the dirty work of getting info on positions, opening sites and all that stuff and only goes for a duel if he is at an advantage.
2020-06-19 16:28
but good cs is all about taking unfair duels when you have an advantadge wtf
2020-06-19 16:54
yeah but at a certain level (not your global elite mm or faceit lvl 9 elo) your enemy isnt stupid enough to give you info or advantages for free.
2020-06-19 18:26
But u can create these situations. I mean, even pros will usually avoid fair aim duels
2020-06-20 15:02
ye and thats the point?
2020-06-21 13:18
i am usually the entry fragger so i don't know how to bait much, but i feel differently A)-when someone is playing my trade (using the space i create, trying to help me advance and clear the site) or B)-when someone is just hiding, waiting for me to stupidly die without support in the first crossfire so he/she has the info and eventually gets the frag (or dies trying, usually). the later(B) is baiting me the stupid way, being a team game, they don't even make use of the space i gained and give it away. doing it for the frag and not for the round. but pros won't usually do that. e.g. of baiting the right way: C) when i peek top banana and fall back almost too late after seeing Ts, make them chase me or be focused on me so they won't check my teammate in sandbags, that is another kind of bait. that is good baiting (unless it's too obvious, ofc). the guy in sandbags gets the free kills and does nothing wrong, even if he baited me. this kind of baiting is used all the time in pro scene (LG/SK cold-TACO typical example, to a point where players didn't dare trying to chase TACO sometimes, knowing that probably cold was close and ready to strike. and sometimes he wasn't, but worked as if). baiting it's not good nor bad. it's a tool and you have to use it right, or else it won't make sense. don't be the (B) guy. be the (A) or the (C) guy tl;dr: good baiting good, bad baiting bad
2020-06-21 18:10
0/8
2020-06-19 11:20
Flair xDDDD
2020-06-19 16:07
Faze xDDDD
2020-06-20 08:13
faze look kind of good tbh
2020-06-21 18:20
0/8
2020-06-19 15:39
Flair xDDddddd
2020-06-19 16:07
#83
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Belarus Bot1ch
0/8
2020-06-19 16:07
The ones who never go first, and always on the team's back. You can always see them ending up with way less deaths than their teammates have.
2020-06-19 11:08
#53
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Russia rsvt
isn't that called a support player? i mean if you have mediocre aim but know a lot of useful flashes smokes to help your openfraggers and you are kinda able to trade or put your team in a position where they just kill everyone and you chill behind with your 400 UD/25 FA i would take that instead of 40 bomb any day
2020-06-19 11:57
Doubt that support players will be special in a death counter.
2020-06-19 12:03
#57
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Russia rsvt
who cares though? making space on map for your team is priceless, no death counters will ever be able to appreciate that UPD: wait wtf, the death notices in csgo are already appreciating flash assists and you can see your UD/FA in regular scoreboard. When i play B on inferno i usually get 500+ UD per half due to molotov/grenades thrown properly. Even though i'm not a superfrager player
2020-06-19 12:19
I always make like 400 UD inferno T side just spamming nades in same spot in B every round :D
2020-06-19 16:23
#94
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Russia rsvt
i prefer to stay back first and then retake banana with good pops
2020-06-19 16:49
#3
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Germany jermens))
making threads such as this one
2020-06-19 11:09
im not baiting im just curious
2020-06-19 11:10
+1
2020-06-19 11:11
why
2020-06-19 11:12
+1
2020-06-19 12:08
+1
2020-06-19 15:39
+1
2020-06-19 16:27
2020-06-19 11:10
epic
2020-06-19 11:12
you won
2020-06-19 11:17
#18
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United States NA_KEKW
Very insightful!
2020-06-19 11:17
#44
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Europe sh4nkly
ffs man
2020-06-19 11:38
nt, people remember that link use this one instead next time youtube.com/watch?v=ub82Xb1C8os
2020-06-19 15:22
#10
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Poland felulo2k
s1mple
2020-06-19 11:12
0/8
2020-06-19 15:39
+1
2020-06-21 18:22
#11
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India somecunt
Showing up last, always send someone first then trade always telling your teammates to show presence on other places to 3rd party or just knowing positions etc
2020-06-19 11:13
That's called teamwork
2020-06-19 11:22
#28
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India somecunt
Yeah,even when you are on disadvantage and instead of showing position of yourself you tell your teammates each and everytime to do that. That's teamwork exactly
2020-06-19 11:29
yeah but imagine s1mple and hunden in a 3v2, i take 2 extremes on purpose hunden show himself first to get info on where the players are and initiate a fight so some of them peek s1mple waits so he can get the info, peek and get frags cause he is way better than hunden skillwise Do you call this baiting ?
2020-06-19 11:32
#40
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Russia Nikosimus
This is not, but when he does that with electronic and flamie...
2020-06-19 11:36
yeah but you can't deny that skill wise he is better than both of them and has higher chance to win a 1vX
2020-06-19 11:40
#80
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Russia Nikosimus
It's true of course but that's not how A TEAM works In a team everyone must be considered equal in terms of skill and respect to each other Everyone can have good and bad days and can show up from time to time And in NaVi...I dont think it works like that
2020-06-19 16:06
thats literally how a team works lmaooooooo
2020-06-19 16:08
Lets say S1mple is on short and there is 1 guys holding short with a awp Electronic makes noise long so it takes the attention off of short so s1mple can get on site and get a kill how is that baiting it's called teamwork.
2020-06-19 11:37
#32
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United Kingdom 230IQUSER
i mean you are baiting your enemy into a position so yeah
2020-06-19 11:31
I mean I used to see quality baiters on faceit all the time, would camp back in whatever part of the map and then pick up kills when enemies rush at him in a 1 on 4 to boost his kd
2020-06-19 11:15
yeah bosting kd like that is baiting at his finest level
2020-06-19 11:17
The inability to understand the game is ateam game, they are afraid to die for the team and only want to pad stats.
2020-06-19 11:15
#14
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Turkey Slapdash
This
2020-06-19 11:17
pretty accurate, most of the players in faceit are afraid to go first and refuse to die to get info
2020-06-19 11:17
It's info but it's also creating space, for example, JackZ 20kills > s1mple 45 kills, Jackz creates so much space for his team compared to s1mple, that's why s1mple is a CT god because all he has to do is hold angles, on T is a different story. The thing about s1mple why everyone is on his case because he has the most ability of any player, you watch his clutches, technically in a clutch situation he's going in first because it's 1vX, if he applied the same mentality when clutching to a normal T side round he would be a much better player, but he has no concept on what creating space is.
2020-06-19 11:21
yeah i agree on s1mple on the ct side but what is the better use of his skills as a T? Make him go first is like gambling, of course he is really good so he will probably get an opening kill but if he doesn't and dies, he isn't there anymore to potentially clutch and gets post-plant kills Is your star player going to be the one who has to create space ? Isnt that something that suit more someone like Jackz like you mentionned
2020-06-19 11:27
He doesn't have to go in first he can follow the first person in, the thing on T side for him he always has an awp so he just sits somewhere waiting for a peak. But unfortunately he doesn't have the space creating in his DNA. I don't understand the argument of putting your star player in a clutch situation, if that really is a team tactic than your team will never succeed period, on T side you should be striving to finish the round before there is a clutch situation. Again he is an extremely smart player for himself only.
2020-06-19 11:32
Yeah I agree on that, he has no team vision of the game probably because he always had to carry himself since he was way better than everyone else.. probably a bit cliche of a vision but he has been playing like this for ages, yet it seems like no coach/manager/player made him rethink his vision and his play style.. it seems like the team he has been in would rather get jackz's type players around so they create space for him rather than changing him to a more team focus player
2020-06-19 11:36
I don't know for certain there's no way to know but from what I can tell the guy has literally hand picked a team around himself especially for the reasons of "more fragging power" and all the fraggers NAVI have added it has stayed the same with the results or maybe worse. I've played in LAN teams with players like s1mple and honestly it was the worst, it's fucking frustrating watching a very talented player not understand the basic of team play and when you talk about it to them all they will say is look at the scoreboard.
2020-06-19 11:40
very interesting convo, but something I wanted to bring up was s1mple's teammates. Don't you think they should be the ones creating space for him, to put him in the most advantageous position to nail the shots necessary? I completely get where you're coming from, but I feel like T side awp it would require some out of this world game sense + skill to create space. Something that even s1mple might not be able to do on his own. I feel like Boombl4 does a lot of information gathering/getting space but he is definitely below the level of an aimstar like JackZ.
2020-06-19 16:30
+1 I bet their dicks get real hard when they bait, end up in a 1v4, get one useless kill, and then die. That way they can claim they have more kills than the rest of the team, and thus cant be at fault for the lost rounds. Baiters literally prefer losing as the top fragger to winning as the bot fragger.
2020-06-19 15:41
#19
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United States NA_KEKW
BlameF and KSCERATO Players that will get one opening kill per map and no more. Admittedly they’re left to clutch and they aren’t bad aimers, but really they let their teammates do the heavy lifting and they go in last
2020-06-19 11:20
the correct def of baiter is using ur teammate to get kills like u know hes gonna get killed ur just using him so that enemy concentrates on him while u kill the enemy its kinda the same logic as baiting in fishing sacrificing a worm or something to catch a fish
2020-06-19 11:22
2020-06-19 11:29
no man listen imagine this there is an awper at snipers nest and u ask ur teammate to jump so that he shoots at him while u try to kill him thats the most common for of bait
2020-06-19 15:23
yeah thats a good bait, thats teamplay that's not what people think about when they say bait on this website
2020-06-19 15:27
#112
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Japan raimiska
Literally the only comment that is correct in this braindead thread. People have taken the term baiting so far out of its true meaning.
2020-06-21 18:24
People who actively makes sure their teammates are entering the sites before them so their teammates are like human baits to lure out where the CTs are.
2020-06-19 11:22
When you wait for your team mate to go in first to reveal where is enemy hiding and then after your mate dies u can easly refrag knowing where the enemy is
2020-06-19 11:23
yeah but all the teams does that, that's called getting info.. someone has to do it every round, most of the time the entry fragger so if I follow your definition, every team has an entry fragger who will get info and 4 baiters just because they rely on him to give positions and die so they can trade?
2020-06-19 11:29
watch a demo from Electronic POV then watch a demo from s1mple POV you'll understand
2020-06-19 11:31
0/8
2020-06-19 15:40
High level CS has a well structured setup where each player has their role. Certain players are supposed to be alive last because of their ability to win the rounds. MM and faceit is full of statpadders who talk shit about you while they are the last ones alive every single round, getting 1-2 exit frags and then dying, asking the team why are they so useless. There is a reason why this generation has so many oxygen wasters. They don't even know that they have been playing a 5v5 game for years.
2020-06-19 11:31
s1mple for example, I would rather have him last alive than perfecto for instance yet when its the case people say its because he is a baiter and not because of how his team play for him
2020-06-19 11:40
Who cares what the newfags say. Look at their ID's. all of those kids signed up a year or two ago. They don't know shit about cs.
2020-06-19 14:57
thats true but whenever i browse the forum and see their braindead opinions it triggers me..
2020-06-19 14:58
there is a difference bro. in s1mple case, he's too much baiting and often going too wide by letting his teammates die first without trading kills. sometimes you gotta bait but he's just too much baiting, even zywoo isnt that baiter
2020-06-19 16:53
watch s1mple demo
2020-06-19 11:32
watch zywh0 demo*
2020-06-19 15:19
#38
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Romania RunnerB0Y
Just look at coldzera
2020-06-19 11:34
+1 also zywh0
2020-06-19 15:20
If someone doesn't get a kill with style (1tap or spray trans or noscope or smt) and especially if he is a little inconsistent he is baiter. Only Poggers are truely skilled all other trash. And you read this so far and still didn't get the sarcasm? kys then.
2020-06-19 11:34
who would you classify as poggers ?
2020-06-19 11:38
chat reactions to crazy plays
2020-06-19 11:39
HLTV users these days discribe players as baiters, who due to their role within the team often get more frags and (most importantly) less deaths than their teammates. What most of them don't understand is the fact, that it's not their role (as a professional baiter) that gives them the stats, but rather their stats that gives them the role. Good teams don't wont their best players to go in first or do the risky plays. They want them to take advantage of the space that their teammates oppened up for them so they can gain the most out of their superior skill. According to our HLTV experts everyone is a baiter who has the habit to survive rounds.
2020-06-19 11:42
What most of them don't understand is the fact, that it's not their role (as a professional baiter) that gives them the stats, but rather their stats that gives them the role. > this Almost all the players that are classified as baiters on this website are the star player of every team yet peoples don't understand what kind of role a star player needs to have
2020-06-19 11:46
On CT Side: - Not peeking out with your mates during a t push although you clearly had the chance to instead hiding to catch one easy frag be traded and lose the round - Not holding your spot properly, consciously letting enemies walk out unspotted in a spot you are supposed to cover with your team mates relying on that cover - Never going in first in a retake. But always be the first one to lurk for exit frags. On T Side: - Never going out first in buy rounds. - Not moving for way too long in the round. - Deliberately waiting for team mates to setup for an easy 0 impact trade kill (usually when a round is basically already lost) - "Lurking" on the other side of the map although your team is obviously struggeling to even get on a bombsite.
2020-06-19 11:50
#54
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Ukraine Najara
There is example of baiting imgur.com/a/1HZt7Ee
2020-06-19 11:58
#60
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France HippzZ
If I want to give a short and precise definition -someone who don't use his good spawn in t when a rush is called -someone who purposely does not involve himself in a fight except if he has good reasons such as letting a mate fighting and probably die against 2 ennemies but killing with very high probability the 2 ennemies RIGHT AFTER
2020-06-19 15:18
Just watch any demo of zywh0.
2020-06-19 15:20
who?
2020-06-19 15:40
just sitting back not doing anything actively and waiting for something to happen.
2020-06-19 15:30
99% of the time it is just being said bc of rage, but a real baiter is the guy that only wants kills and sacrifices teammates lives for it
2020-06-19 15:38
basically zywoo.
2020-06-19 16:10
Basically, not entrying, (entrying doesn't mean having opening kills, opening kills don't mean that you're not baiting, otherwise Zeus or Xizt would be the biggest baiter), always behind someone else, saving, players with less than 0.6DPR (except if they don't have so much kills, under 0.65KPR I'd say, like AMANEK, he doesn't bait, he just has less opportunities) Some people say that players like ropz bait for example but it's also his roles, an extremity will, most of time, die less etc. But players in the trio that don't really support in the good way, but more like supporting for staying behind like blameF, some players are just here to revenge like EliGE, huNter, NiKo
2020-06-19 16:20
And only playing KD Jame, HEN1, s1mple, etc. Even hunter EliGE and NiKo don't really bait that much
2020-06-19 16:20
ropz is kinda baiter i guess. yes he lurk mots of the time but when the team going into site he often going last and let his friends die first and get trade
2020-06-19 16:50
It depends, maybe a bit yes but when they execute B on Train, his role in mouz is to stay upper and go out like 5s later chrisJ entrying lower to get the timing and win the round
2020-06-19 17:06
baiting for info is smart on a pro team, no shame in that. it's the shitlords on faceit baiting every situation so they can barely break positive kd that gives baiting a bad name,
2020-06-19 16:27
There is baiting for infos or for your mates because u have a Mac 10 or no nade or low hp or baiting your mates for kills like s1mple
2020-06-19 17:07
#103
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Lithuania SiTyGas
Baiters are pretty much the ones that uses their teammates in order to take the fights. They will never go and start an aim duel with an opponent, they will wait for their teammate to start it and then either trade him or be there while his teammate kills the opponent.
2020-06-20 08:19
well the answer is pretty s1mple
2020-06-20 15:07
sure
2020-06-20 15:07
Actually definiton is simple
2020-06-20 15:07
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1.66
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3.45
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1.31
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3.28
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