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LEAF ISN'T CHEATING (PROOF)
maga | 
North America Shehp 
youtube.com/watch?v=ifcX5n-a2JE&feature=.. Feel free to watch but tldr (or tldw): In the clip on overpass monster, I can't explain what happens because that's fucking weird but maybe he flicks weird like that idk, I don't watch t3 cs. Overpass going on to B site, Xeppaa is fighting Fer and the other guy who's in pit as well and comms it to leaf and he sees fer's shadow and shoots. He aims at heaven because he sees a flashbang fly out and turns away from it. Inferno clip first off shows that he flicks past fer and is aiming at the box on site because maybe he thinks someone is hiding there? (MIBR is on eco so maybe he suspects someone hiding on site) anyways feel free to discuss with me, I actually want to have a respectful discussion with you guys so that we can actually come to a concise conclusion on this situation. ty for reading and have a good day.
2020-06-23 20:39
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stopped reading at leaf isnt cheating
2020-06-23 20:39
#3
maga | 
North America Shehp
fair enough
2020-06-23 20:40
#27
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Brazil Battistta
+1
2020-06-23 20:50
+1
2020-06-23 20:55
+1
2020-06-23 21:05
Name and flair checks out KEKW
2020-06-23 21:20
0iq brain checks out kekw,
2020-06-23 21:22
Salty Brazilian mf checks out KEKW
2020-06-23 21:23
#152
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Brazil Morkid
shut up and go back to the switchblades factory
2020-06-24 14:00
How can you tell iq off of a post saying your bias seems like someones insecure about there mental capacity
2020-06-23 23:44
didnt read
2020-06-24 12:59
Me too
2020-06-23 21:05
+1
2020-06-23 21:16
#94
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Brazil nexusgg
+2500
2020-06-23 21:31
#101
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Brazil DiGuL
+1
2020-06-23 21:32
How to get +1's from mad brazilians
2020-06-23 23:53
#126
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United States Frotha
+1
2020-06-23 23:57
+1
2020-06-23 23:58
+1
2020-06-24 02:52
#153
EliGE | 
Albania PR3D
+5020
2020-06-24 14:02
+1
2020-06-24 14:50
#2
maga | 
North America Shehp
I forgot to talk about mirage clip, maybe his teammate comms that he's behind mid boxes (also he kills a guy running down mid so he probably thinks that his teammate is top mid because the top mid cross is smoked off so that could be why he goes for that weird shot. I can't really explain why he aims at his head like that though, it's pretty sus.
2020-06-23 20:40
#97
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Brazil nexusgg
AND the crosshair make all the micro-adjustments, he look at the guy and the crosshair locks on the center of the body
2020-06-23 21:31
Flag and flair
2020-06-23 23:45
Flag and flair unfortunately
2020-06-23 23:54
it makes micro adjustments at 0.25 speed, that's just how cs works, the demo isn't the accurate picture, especially GOTV
2020-06-24 01:26
Inferno clip. After the kill he transfers on guy to the wall and thats a lock. He didnt transfer thinking that guy was on site, cuz look at the hight of his crosshair. Its way over head hight.
2020-06-24 14:05
#156
maga | 
North America Shehp
I can explain that he probably moved his crosshair a bit to the right of the box because he expected a double peek from MIBR (because teams like MIBR will set up double peeks) so knowing that detail he expected a guy to swing out away from the box. Also jesus this thread has gone on for too long lmao
2020-06-24 14:34
dude you too dumb,you dont know shit about hacks and just posted it to get some hype that you clearly aren't going to get cuz your video is trash
2020-06-23 20:41
#8
maga | 
North America Shehp
If I don't know shit about hacks why is it obvious that in the inferno clip fer is too far from the render distance of wall hacks? I know about cheats and how they work. I went into inferno and did some wireframe testing and shit just to see how it all adds up and it turns out that no, he isn't aim hacking or wall hacking.
2020-06-23 20:43
?he has a bind to the aim lock,when he picks the info of where the guy is,he stop the click and continues the movement,is too hard to understand?
2020-06-23 20:45
#45
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Brazil Projectrv
+1 he is too desonest enough to admit, dont listen him
2020-06-23 21:06
Flag and flair
2020-06-23 23:45
#117
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Brazil angryyyy
are u a fucking repeater?
2020-06-23 23:47
Yes you guys can have an opinion but you guys hoard everybody like your 100% he’s cheating and then you send death threats like can your people get lives
2020-06-23 23:50
#121
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Brazil angryyyy
why are u generalizing dude? be fair man, the only people that are sending him death threats to leaf are just lil kids on internet.
2020-06-23 23:52
I bet it’s only little kids why don’t we blame everything on kids
2020-06-23 23:56
#128
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Brazil Projectrv
blame who are doing this specifically, not all it's too shame blaming innocents one as whose send death threats
2020-06-24 00:04
Well unfortunately that’s not how it works when you have a bunch of idiots sending death threats it looks bad on your whole community
2020-06-24 00:04
#130
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Brazil Projectrv
chaos was cheating 100% it means that all of you guys from NA is a cheater aswell? comon
2020-06-24 00:05
Good vid - it's just salty Brazilians getting pissed.
2020-06-23 20:41
#12
maga | 
North America Shehp
I wish Brazilians weren't so quick to jump to conclusions just because their lord and savior gaules said so. I want to be nice to everyone but this is getting out of hand and it needs to stop.
2020-06-23 20:44
b8
2020-06-23 20:42
#10
maga | 
North America Shehp
It's serious though lmao
2020-06-23 20:44
lol refute the fact, don't try to justify it.
2020-06-23 20:49
Flag
2020-06-23 23:45
Flag
2020-06-24 14:50
dosen't watch tier 3 cs but fan of syman omegalul. 0/8
2020-06-23 20:42
#9
maga | 
North America Shehp
Syman gaming good wdym :/
2020-06-23 20:44
i think he means that Syman gaming shit man :\
2020-06-23 20:45
#17
maga | 
North America Shehp
I know. I still enjoy watching syman play tho
2020-06-23 20:46
syman says he is wrong
2020-06-23 20:46
the heaven clip in overpass in perfect normal, but the other ones are strange
2020-06-23 20:46
#25
maga | 
North America Shehp
Yeah, they're pretty weird but I think that he's innocent. Maybe it's just his play style who knows lol
2020-06-23 20:49
i'm right with you, man. i think it's a nice conversation. i hope he's clean. it's just weird that all of these stuff happens in like 5/6 maps. who knows. esea ac isn't that great, acs in general are not that great.
2020-06-23 20:52
#54
maga | 
North America Shehp
Yeah, didn't s1mple condemn some players in European MDL a while back for being cheaters?
2020-06-23 21:06
exactly! hahahaha that's what it is. MDL is a nice place to cheat or throw games because of bets. I think it was in EU MDL that some people posted clips about a whole team cheating, and the bets were going mostly against them, but getting close to actual match, a lot of people started to bet in this team of cheaters. kkkkkk
2020-06-23 21:13
#62
maga | 
North America Shehp
Also NA MDL has a lot of throwers which is why I avoid betting there.
2020-06-23 21:14
#44
maga | 
North America Shehp
I already saw this tweet and yeah, this is pretty suspicious. If he's a cheater then ban him but if he's legit he should be apologized to by the community because he's 16 and receiving death threats.
2020-06-23 20:59
its terrible this threats, but they are been used to ignorate the fact that his is cheating at a MAJOR qualifier, and no one from chaos sad nothing about
2020-06-23 21:06
#57
maga | 
North America Shehp
If he is cheating that is, I don't think he is but there always is a chance, and if he is then fuck him. MIBR deserves to attend major if he's cheating.
2020-06-23 21:09
i dont understand why people dont think he is cheating, is pretty obvious. 1 clip, ok, 2 , hmm,3, fuck it, and has more than that, IN A SAME BO3, and against teamOne in the next game, and now we no he is racist too and was in a teamspeak with 2 banned players and MarKe(come on, his historic isnt the best)
2020-06-23 21:18
#77
maga | 
North America Shehp
Yeah I do see how it's really weird that he's having so many fucking clips in a couple of BO3's but I don't believe in banning someone without an actual investigation being done. Maybe tournaments can have keyloggers on the anti cheats they provide so that they can see if any binds are being toggled- like aimbot binds.
2020-06-23 21:22
man, the hacks are much more updated than the AC's, even more when the game is online, with no one checking the TeamSpeak on this tournament (kng said). In this theory, no one will never be banned because its almost impossible to prove 100% someone is cheating
2020-06-23 21:26
That's the same that happens to other tournaments, even on LAN. They check what they know, but if the cheat is more advanced, it's impossible to be detected.
2020-06-24 13:15
yeah, i agree, thats the reason because we need to have manual bans
2020-06-24 13:16
#20
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Brazil carlotto
Dude, he's cheating there's no way he's not
2020-06-23 20:47
shit video
2020-06-23 20:47
#23
maga | 
North America Shehp
How so?
2020-06-23 20:49
you can´t explain aimlock movements ( i mean the crosshair moves so fast left/right right/left)
2020-06-23 20:52
#38
maga | 
North America Shehp
Yeah his crosshair does move pretty quickly, maybe it's just how he aims. b4rtin got an insane clip where he aimed really quickly on to 3 different members of Chaos and it sure looks like aimbot but we know that it's just superior mechanical skill.
2020-06-23 20:57
#28
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Brazil hugoooo
I watched it until you said (about the weirdest clips of all, the monster one): "oh, this clip... he flicks on to... this is really weird, I don't know how this even happened... (...) I can't really defend this clip (...) I mean, I actually can't explain this, it's super weird"
2020-06-23 20:50
#50
maga | 
North America Shehp
Yeah it was weird lol, I was completely stumped. This one is truly very fishy and weird. Recoil can't explain this, aimlock is an easy passage to explaining this one but I'll do my research and see if aimlock can reach a target that far.
2020-06-23 21:05
#56
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Brazil hugoooo
As far as I know, an aimlock can reach the CLOSEST target, no matter how far it is.
2020-06-23 21:06
#58
maga | 
North America Shehp
But wallhacks and aimlock have a certain distance from what I remember, idk I don't cheat so I wouldn't really know. Maybe those who develop cheats can speak about this and clear things up.
2020-06-23 21:10
#30
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Brazil praxedes
Overpass on monster as you say, just cant explain it. Overpass B site shooting fer, he pre aims the spot, no big deal, then see fer's shadow and kill him, no problem there, but the flick to heaven, im sorry, too fishy for me. The clip on inferno, he kills someone near graveyard, no problem there, his aim insta lock between fer's eye and then he aims elsewhere, extra fishy if u ask me. There are other clips vs Team One too. There is no hard proof, but seems weird to have so many fishy clips in a couple of BO3. I know i'm brazillian and fan of mibr, and therefore I might be biased but it's hard to believe this kid it's not hacking, and if he is not, then I have no problem saying I was wrong. As for my fellow countrymen, we should know better than making death treats on anyone, specially a kid.
2020-06-23 20:51
#34
maga | 
North America Shehp
I agree with everything except for the heaven part. It's fishy sure, but he sees a flash come out from heaven so maybe he's looking at the smoke waiting for maybe someone to walk thru. And yeah it's fucked up people are calling for his death over a VIDEO GAME.
2020-06-23 20:54
#37
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Brazil praxedes
The way the brazillian community handled this is really bad, we could have achieved a lot more if we didnt shit on everyone expressing their opinions, but anyway, let's see how this unfolds, peace brother, have a nice one.
2020-06-23 20:57
#41
maga | 
North America Shehp
Thank you, you have a good one as well man.
2020-06-23 20:57
Well then tell your retarded fucking kids to stop acting like thugs because of a csgo match like holy shit you guys are 100% sure then you call death threats and when you speak out against it they mob you typical liberal mob mentality thinking
2020-06-23 23:48
#134
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Brazil praxedes
They are not my kids man, I have nothing to do with any of it, I'm 100% against all of the death threats ffs
2020-06-24 00:59
ass
2020-06-23 20:57
#42
maga | 
North America Shehp
hole?
2020-06-23 20:58
good video
2020-06-23 20:59
#46
maga | 
North America Shehp
Ty man, trying to spread the importance of innocent before proven guilty because allegations can ruin lives, even after they are proven false.
2020-06-23 21:01
I agree, I'm not 100% sure that he is cheating, but I don't want to assume he was cheating until it is proven by an admin
2020-06-23 21:06
#61
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Lebanon Dogman69
good video explains it for the people who don't understand or can read the game and just assume without knowing the context of actions that were taken overpass monster one is weird, but it's only a short clip (havent downloaded the full vod) but probably he just fucked up his spray as he seems to be running not standing still or shifting, so that's why it jumpled like this.
2020-06-23 21:13
#63
maga | 
North America Shehp
Yeah overpass one is very hard to explain but now that I think about it GOTV is kinda scuffed so maybe it was a GOTV bug that made his crosshair look as if it jumped up like that.
2020-06-23 21:14
#64
maga | 
North America Shehp
Also thank you for the respectful input rather than quickly disliking without even watching.
2020-06-23 21:15
lmao 42 disslikes u are literally under attack
2020-06-23 21:15
#68
maga | 
North America Shehp
ikr, I think it's just because people are so quick to assume things without reviewing the evidence.
2020-06-23 21:16
but still i liked your video <3
2020-06-23 21:19
#75
maga | 
North America Shehp
ty <3
2020-06-23 21:21
<3<3<3<3<3<33<33<3<333<<3<3<3<3
2020-06-23 21:22
who cars?
2020-06-23 21:15
#70
maga | 
North America Shehp
+1 lol
2020-06-23 21:17
#120
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United States Swadplan
+1 fellow polish cs fan
2020-06-23 23:51
I agree with this, I'm not going to assume he's cheating until someone gives real proof. The Overpass Monster one is weird and not totally explainable, but with the Inferno clip he could easily just be flicking to dark assuming someone would try and peek there to trade. With the Overpass heaven clip, looking at heaven there is odd, but understandable. Definitely one of the places you'd expect someone to be at.
2020-06-23 21:16
#71
maga | 
North America Shehp
Exactly, People don't even review this shit and jump to conclusions quicker than furia jumped to the top 5 on HLTV leaderboard
2020-06-23 21:17
#78
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Brazil deKiCTL
So, for the overpass monster clip, there is literally no reason to shoot up there. Not even if you know that someone is there. In the heaven clip, you can see that his crosshair goes further to the right and then returns into the player, as if he turned the lock on to spot his opponent.] On the inferno clip, he couldn't see the back of the bombsite from where he was, and he aimed at the pillar, right where fer happened to be. There are heaps of other clips out there. Some will say that fallen also has a lot of clips, but this guy got more clips in one match than fallen has had in his entire career.
2020-06-23 21:22
Nah, there is. If u shoot there u can kick up some dust and spot the legs of an enemy. flusha did it too
2020-06-23 21:40
#110
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Brazil deKiCTL
what clip are you talking about?
2020-06-23 23:00
Im talking about monster clip
2020-06-23 23:01
why u trying to defend a 16 yo old unknown of at least 3 clear clips that happened in the fucking same day? the only explanation is ur a pedo
2020-06-23 21:25
#87
maga | 
North America Shehp
D:
2020-06-23 21:27
Other clips are easily explainable besides the overpass monster one
2020-06-23 21:25
#86
maga | 
North America Shehp
Yeah overpass monster one was fucking weird.
2020-06-23 21:27
Him cheating is def possible since there's been mdl teams being busted for cheating in the past, but gaules needs to chill and realize that he's got a bunch of little kids watching his stream that are gonna go out and make the BR scene look bad
2020-06-23 21:30
#93
maga | 
North America Shehp
Yeah I know, in another comment I talked about NA MDL teams throwing matches and some are even cheating.
2020-06-23 21:30
NA MDL is a fucking mess, most of the kids there got there because they knew someone and just pug all day instead of learning teamplay
2020-06-23 21:32
#104
maga | 
North America Shehp
Yeah, no actual league experience. I played against a top 100 team before and when I see how the MDL players play. It's like FPL with retarded mistakes, and not a legit pro league.
2020-06-23 21:33
yea that's why NA is only known for no brain players with good fragging ability
2020-06-23 21:34
Part of that is due to the exodus to Valorant. They've moved too many Advanced teams to MDL, and reduced the player quality. MDL was much better a couple of seasons ago. Now you have guys with 85-90 ADR who aren't that good. They pad their stats by shitting on the bottom feeders.
2020-06-24 01:25
#84
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Ukraine Dert38
silver logic, you can't proof that somebody isn't cheating, only that somebody IS cheating
2020-06-23 21:27
#85
maga | 
North America Shehp
+1 I should use my brain next time
2020-06-23 21:27
So 1. He flicks to high into the bomb . ( why starting to talk about fallen? And your argument there is just no sense 2. "he flicks on the eye monster but happens to be a player here" ???? wtf , you are clearly not trying to be neautral about , you are trying to force some idea that doesnt work as an argument. 3. Yeah , this clip can be called normal... ( "some people cant take the loss" ????? like you when you try to force a invalid explanation?) 4. yeah , its weird the crosshair placement , and yeah I can agree about being luck ( doesnt mean it is ) So there are some clips that your explanation doest make any sense , and other that its normal... You are trying to use these ones that are explainable to justifice that he isnt cheating. Call people uninformed about the game when you do some mistakes is just hypocrit. You are "another side from the same coin" that the people you are talking about. So , when you have some clips that cant be logicaly explained , even the ones that can be will be taken as suspicius , because they are. I dont know if he is cheating or not , but its strange , some clips doesnt make any sense , and maybe with this attetion to it ; they will investigate. You dont need to take a side in this , people are dumb and they create sides , the real deal is that is just suspicius and they should investigate.
2020-06-23 21:27
I completely agree with this guy. Death threats? Nothing special from most of brazilians tbh since many of them are really crazy. I'd say don't judge the entire fanbase by a single personalities.
2020-06-23 21:28
#99
maga | 
North America Shehp
Yeah, same as Indian phone scammers. They are scumbags but not every Indian is a fucking phone scammer. I try to look at individuals, not the greater community and many Brazilians are good people, I have some Brazilian friends.
2020-06-23 21:31
how can you think that locking 3-4 times in one bo3 is just a coincidence. He taps and flicks to the enemey, no one does that. Please fam, use le brain
2020-06-23 21:28
#91
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Belarus ALL_OR_DIE
wtf
2020-06-23 21:28
#95
maga | 
North America Shehp
+1 am confused.
2020-06-23 21:31
Even though this clip can be defended, many more have been pulled up that are way more blatant, which makes this clip hard to take into consideration, if you just watch this one then you dont have a good enough grasp of the gravity of the situation, it isnt the first time a strange clip of his shows up.
2020-06-23 21:31
#102
maga | 
North America Shehp
I'll be reviewing more clips in the future, Tomorrow another vid should be coming out so stay tuned for my opinion on those other blatant clips. Also if you can link some for me that would be great.
2020-06-23 21:32
I saw a portuguese streamer review some of those clips one by one, hes a pretty experienced player and an old coach so he analyzed them and gave some interesting info explaining some of the crosshair movement, i dont have the link to the clips but you can probably find them pretty easily I think, theres a couple on overpass.
2020-06-24 00:08
#132
maga | 
North America Shehp
alright ty, lots of ppl in my youtube vid sent some links so I'll be reviewing those. thanks for staying civil unlike others on this thread.
2020-06-24 00:09
Somebody can only aim on a flying model at that place on Inferno A site sorry!!!
2020-06-23 21:31
bro do podcasts ur voice is awesome haha
2020-06-23 21:33
#105
maga | 
North America Shehp
Ty mens)) Hearing something good about my voice makes me happy because I think I sound retarded.
2020-06-23 21:34
you sound like a stupid 16yo, of course you're biased AF and you want US cs to get better, not this way pal. Those dudes were definitely cheating. Proof: youtube.com/watch?v=dda17kAiAFo
2020-06-23 21:34
#143
maga | 
North America Shehp
nice proof?
2020-06-24 02:20
People who are defending leaf here, can you post me some clips of 'respected' pros like s1mple, zywoo, olofmeister, niko, etc. doing the same kind of aim dragging and through the wall placement? It's just not natural guys, come on. Maybe you get lucky and do some things like that 1 time in some games, but at least 3 clips in 3 maps? That's not lucky
2020-06-23 23:07
#144
maga | 
North America Shehp
yeah it's very weird but unless legitimate proof (a ban or statement from valve or beyond the summit) I don't think he's cheating.
2020-06-24 02:23
Man, dont try to explain that shit, e jut locked in the exact position of 2 players twice, besides the other players and the other rounds, that cant be explained, that cant be coincidence, and if it was normal, this would NEVER be so discussed
2020-06-24 00:27
I saw a video of a livrestream from zorlak a renowned csgo portuguese streamer (plays since 1.6 etc) reacting to leaf and xeppaa clips against MIBR and Team One. youtu.be/PJ5DWZzEmR4 clips he said leaf was aimlocking: >(against mibr) monster flick on taco; >(ag.mibr) heaven flick, he says: first he flick to heaven (human) and then aimlocks to be sure there's someone there, if you play on x0,25 you can see a subtle lock after the flick to heaven; he said the inferno one was fishy but there's already a video explaining that it wasn't possible to aimlock at that distance so I think this one don't count. the ones against team one are the worst ones: >(ag.team one) train lock on main 17:00 - 17:46 >(ag.team one) lock on monster 18:00 - 18:20 >(ag.team one) lock on connector mirage 26:15 - 27:05
2020-06-24 01:06
only covered leaf because he is the one with most clips and one is enough to get then disqualified but xeppaa is suspicious too
2020-06-24 01:07
#137
oBo | 
North America pili72
2020-06-24 01:19
#142
maga | 
North America Shehp
not saying it isn't sus but unless he is proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a cheater I don't buy it.
2020-06-24 02:19
Idea to solve the cheating problem: Require all players on online tournaments to have a camera filming mouse, keyboard and screen. It'll be cheap for organizations and won't get in the way of anyones gameplay. If the aim moves and mouse does not, we have a cheater. Easy and simple.
2020-06-24 04:17
and d2 long?
2020-06-24 14:04
#157
maga | 
North America Shehp
I'm going to download the demo of the game and go into GOTV to see if Xeppaa could have heard fer long, if he did- that might've been why he reacted the way he did. If he didn't then I'm thinking it's just dumb luck that he's killed him or his teammate might've fought against him earlier in the round and called that he could be there. Although that wouldn't explain why Xeppaa would start running without any certainty that he is/isn't there.
2020-06-24 14:37
#158
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Czech Republic mitsorubi
Unfortunately can't watch your video cuz it's too quiet. Do you know what eDPI he has? If he's a high sens player all of those clips could 100% be legit. His snaps look pretty quick so I think that might be the case. The only clip that looks suspicious to me is the Dust2 long clip, maybe slightly even the Overpass monster one, others are bs and very easily explainable.
2020-06-24 14:46
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