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PROS ARE CHEATING and you cant deny it.
Brazil xaxexixoxu 
I analyzed the clips and concluded that more than 10 “coincidence” clips of a team in 2 games can't be a coincidence and if it dont prove you a cheater team, nothing will. And i have seen games from the same players before and on those games not even a clip was rised from it. You cant trust on the anti-cheat (it dont even work on mm, thats why valve appealed to trust factor and csgo prime), forsaken was cheating on lan and was only discovered cuz the adm looked at his pc, the anti cheat didnt see anything. So its just silly to think that a online qualifier with no serious anticheat security to a tournament with a prize pool of 2kk dollars, besides all the stickers money, would not have some people trying to exploit a perfect exploitable system. Real sport proved more than once or twice that if you leave a gap, no matter how small, people will cheat the hell out of it, even with big organization specialized specific on detect cheating. ex: Almost all top UFC athletes, Lance Armstrong, etc. Theres even the famous phrase "if you are not cheating, you are not trying". Also there's the basic logic: valve profit from csgo, why would they put effort on catching cheaters if it will only bring more suspicious to the scene, potentially harming their pockets? Im not saying that all players was cheating but leaf definitely 99% was and xeppa could be too but he just know how to hide better i guess. But i hope they stop cheating now with all the attention it brought to them. In the end we are just left with the hope pro players are not corrupt, but how to believe it if there's corruption of every single segment of humanity? Bring hate at me, I dont care. I just hate cheaters of any kind, from mm to pro scene, they are disgusting. For all the braindead brazilians threatening leaf, im really sorry, I apologise for them, but remember that always will have rotten fruits in the stock.
2020-06-25 17:03
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Brazil Feio91
2020-06-25 17:03
its worth reading, will make you reflect about the state of the scene.
2020-06-25 17:05
brazil malding because you lost a bet. cry more brazil.
2020-06-25 17:12
i dont bet, i just hate cheaters.
2020-06-25 17:13
they dont cheat. lmao. you are pathetic.
2020-06-25 17:18
are you sure? the chance they are clean equals the chance they are cheating, we just cant know for sure cuz valve or events just say "AC didnt see anything, hes clean" but everyone knows these AC are a joke. so we have to beliave people are not corrupt? if so our scene is doomed.
2020-06-25 17:20
So you think every player that has their crosshair on an enemy are cheating? all the clips are lame. you are not very smart believing angry bettors.
2020-06-25 17:24
im just comparing csgo to real world cases when there is gap for cheating, and on csgo the gap is giant.
2020-06-25 17:32
watch some clips of actual cheaters and you will see the difference.
2020-06-25 17:36
on a pro match, any info can gatantee you a kill, a round, a match, the crosshair dont even need to go on people through the wall to give you info, if you troggle it and it go little to left or right, a pro player can already know where enemy is. information is power.
2020-06-25 17:39
so why do you think that he cheats? the same goes for any pro player...
2020-06-25 17:54
hes probably using cheaper cheats that look more obvious, plus he probably have no experience with it, so instead of just getting the info, he toggle until the crosshair is already on the player making it look obvious.
2020-06-25 17:59
" using cheaper cheats" You trolling or actually below 60IQ? Please just re-read what you just wrote silently for yourself a couple of times, you can't actually belive this?
2020-06-25 18:49
so you dont believe theres a market of cheats going from cheap to expensive according to the potential of being detected? you would be surprised.
2020-06-25 18:53
"you would be surprised." Yeah go and tell us about everything then since you're some kinda professional pro coder/hacker knowledge g0d 1337 What do we not know about mr "xaxexixoxu" from Brazil?
2020-06-25 18:55
just basic logic, valve leaves a giant gap for cheats, pro players are potetial buyers cuz they want fame and money, coders create cheats for them (they create it for normal people already). Law of demand.
2020-06-25 19:00
Lmfao, get ur sweaty 150kg off netflix and go outside your door. What kind of world do you actually live in? Funny that you as brazilian says stuff like this when FalleN and the guys slept in hallways during tournaments since they were poor asf but the had money to buy this superduper secret cheats from Valve all of sudden :D Like, at this point you are not even trolling. What has happend to humanity, how can your IQ be this low?
2020-06-25 19:02
im not saying everyone is cheating, im saying pros (not all) are cheating , because the chance is really high looking how much valve (or anyone really) cares about it. theres no incentive from anyone on the scenario to figure these clips out, they just want the show running, i will just throw the dirt under the carpet, who cares right? as long its not with me and money is comming to my pockets, im fine.
2020-06-25 19:11
ive been telling them this since 2015 bro, some people just want to believe, nothing you can say or do can convince them, even if you hacked flushas pc and posted the cheat binaries they wouldnt believe you
2020-06-26 14:44
yeah, the most blind is the one that don't want to see.
2020-07-02 17:05
It's telling how mad you are
2020-07-27 12:01
North America joeS
did you forget that leaf has grinded faceit pro league and ESEA rank S for some time before going Professional? Why oh why would he throw his career away on MIBR? lmao are you seriously this dumb?
2020-07-02 05:00
kqly was on major when he threw his career away. Jamppi cheated and still well enough on ENCE, didn't seems like cheating did much for his career. many could argue that flusha cheated but vac didnt catch him so he made his life already at 26 yo. this one game vs mibr registered a high amount of bets on chaos 5 min before the match. and besides all these clips from leaf, valve still not doing anything, so i would say cheating is much much worth it. also leaf is going to valorant.
2020-07-02 17:02
North America joeS
kqly was a POS cheater, but he did not cheat at the major?? He got a vac ban, no one knows what events he cheated on, if anything offline. Jamppi has a VAC tied account, just like k0nfig and I'm sure more pros. Only Jamppi is banned though. And we can both agree he is really good, and doesn't need cheats to win but valve makes the rules. Flusha NEVER fell off after his accusations. He has always done "Flusha things", so no, he didn't cheat. Just another example of how coincidence allows people watching with xray on matches think players are cheating. Every single pro you watch has many MANY clips like Leaf does if you were to watch and slow all of their demos. Check my posts under "trk cheating proof" and I posted 3 "aimlock" videos from TRK the next day after Chaos MIBR. The same type of footage. The only excuse you guys have is "But more clips than flusha in 1 game" but in all honesty, only the overpass clip where he looks at heaven is SUS but it's NOWHERE near evident enough that he used cheats to strike a ban. And tbh, I would bet on myself if I were Chaos too, MIBR have been really shit lately, would have been some free money. Leaf or Chaos doesn't need to cheat to beat MIBR, point blank period
2020-07-02 20:29
now you are defending KQLY and Jamppi, convicted vac ban cheaters, who you will defend next? forsaken? mm spinbotter? the fact exist people like you is the reason valve is not doing anything to garantee their VAC system.
2020-07-02 21:51
North America joeS
how do you see me defending them? lol Are you dense?
2020-07-03 00:34
Europe twitchy_
Name checks out. You don't need to do a lot of search to find there are private cheats above 1k to 20k with monthly payment. Even Shroud talks in a cobblestone clip how a private cheat can cost up to 15k.
2020-06-26 13:39
Oki, link me just one source/site where i can buy cheats for 20k and go pro and earn milions, i'll be waiting :)
2020-06-26 13:53
Europe twitchy_
Lol, it doesn't work that way. Specially if you're silver. If you don't have FPL level, you're not going to get the contact of any coder. Cheats on pro/semipro level are not wallhacks or spinbots, they are not going to make any kid the new s1mple, you have to be good first.
2020-06-26 14:16
"You don't need to do a lot of search to find there are private cheats above 1k to 20k with monthly payment" I was asking about your "search" can you share it with us so we can all see or not?
2020-06-26 14:17
Europe twitchy_
Ok, you don't know how to use google... As you can see there's people willing to spend 1'5 to 3k for a private cheat that works on leagues and esea/faceit clients. Obviously private coders that works with high profile cannot be approached this way and someone have to introduce you to them. Internet is full of info on the matter, with coders talking about that, like that one on csgo reddit when they got all the emilio gang. I'm sure you can find it if you want.
2020-06-26 15:04
And you actually think people use those and play majors and shit? Like how can you be so delusional and stupid? And seems like you know about this "high profile cheater haxxor 1337 area51 coders" So who introduced you to one? :D I have some hope atleast still people like you are just trolling and having some fun on this site and actually not stupid like this irl but it's so damn hard
2020-06-26 15:14
Europe twitchy_
Ok bro, impossible to cheat on vac secured servers. That's why Pharsyde won a tournament while being banned on faceit(against x6tence?) and played minor qualifiers and dreamhack, just like many others do. There was another tweet from nip but I'm not going to lose more time searching facts for you. Online games give a lot of room for cheats, obviously is a lot harder on a major or LAN, but it's doable, which means one or another is gonna do it, although is gonna be residual compared to online.
2020-06-26 15:43
" while being banned" Stopped reading right there. You just rekt yourself by this "ChEaTeRs DoNt gEt cAuGht" Literally 50 IQ.
2020-06-26 15:46
Europe twitchy_
Oh boy...they were caught by faceit on alt account, but they were using same $100 cheats on esea tournament winning the finals and playing minor and dreamhacks qualifiers against vitality and nip without getting caught even they had clear aimlocks everywhere. They finally banned them with a manual ban because their anticheat found nothing but some russian guy found the faceit account :wink: :wink: Stop crying with Iq because I'm sure my iq and rank is higher than yours, specially when I give you facts and you keep talking about iq to back your ideal world where nobody cheats, not even on mm, because it's impossible to cheat on vac secured servers without been caught, when that's even possible to do with free cheats.
2020-06-26 16:27
put your blinders away
2020-07-03 13:44
Humble in victory and humble in defeat. 1 MIBR doesn't win shit. 2 they can't take an L. They're cry babies, gaules and fallen are softer than a babies shit. I'm so sick of seeing this shit. You realize if Fallen left, you would have a good team+coldzera. Fallen is a snake
2020-07-02 05:15
this is not about mibr losing, they are shit since 2018. this is about the state of pro scene right now.
2020-07-02 17:07
People are braindead, they really think we are just discussing about this because mibr lost an online match. They re ignoring the fact that something worst can be in there
2020-07-03 04:18
i wonder how much shitmibr paying these retards to come here and defend them
2020-06-25 17:14
sadly nothing. they are just this stupid.
2020-06-25 17:18
you cant be this blind
2020-06-25 17:29
understand, in 2009 at wcg, there was one of the most well-known cheaters out there, which was the aspx he kicked on the lan the valve's anti cheat took no, it was just viewing the clips and seeing that it was in the face, there are over 20 clips very I suspect chaos, but you don’t look at it, you think we’re crying, and it’s necessary to have a neuron to see that they’re using cheat, aspx as an example was banned by the event’s managers, oh more leaf and just one helpless child, he knows what he is doing everyone knows that, if he is suffering hate and because of his attitudes saying that we cry and it's easy now to catch and make the counter strike a better game you don't want.
2020-07-27 17:03
TL:DR cry
2020-06-25 20:14
why would i read this
2020-06-25 17:04
pls read, there's appealing arguments that pros are cheating.
2020-06-25 17:06
I read it and I just can't belive that the very top pro players are cheating... Like leaf or xeppa? Maybe they could especially now that everything is online but I just can't believe that any top 30 team players that play big lan tournaments would cheat
2020-06-26 10:00
Lithuania arres
What about any other sport? Nba? They cheat. There was a scabdal with judge that was fixing games. You foul top player with 3-4 fouls during first half and they are screwed. Someone was using some sticky shit on their hand to make it easier to grip on ball. Some nfl team where messing with the ball inflation/deflation I dont remember the details. There are a ton of cheating examples, some more minor, some major. And you think that in a fucking computer game tournament where they play at home and anticheats are laughable, they wont cheat just because. You are out of your mind. Chaos cheated, I would bet my life on it. You just cant have that many fishy clips write out to coincidences. They just doesnt make sense. The actions, crosshair placements, aimlocks, weird stuff that does not make sense in any way and the fact that you dont see shit like that happening in other games is to much to turn down as coincidence. I think that people denying chaos cheated are absolutely retarded and just for some reason are not able to face reality. Thats like a religion, you have everything you need to see the truth right in front of your eyes and you are still in denial.
2020-06-26 11:40
Online probably has a lot of cheaters but on major etc I think they would catch them just like in NBA or other sports they were eventually catched for cheating
2020-06-26 11:51
Lithuania arres
I think thats delusional to think every cheater in cs will get caught. Chaos will have no concequences from valve even though they are the most obvious cheaters after forsaken. Just like not all criminals get caught even though uncomparably more resources are thrown there.
2020-06-26 12:02
Yeah you might be right but like I said for example I'm positive Chaos did cheat
2020-06-26 12:45
But I also believe that for example Chaos did cheat
2020-06-26 11:51
Iceland MikkeS
fun fact, no one is going to read it
2020-06-25 17:06
i expect people to at least try, its worth it.
2020-06-25 17:08
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Germany m1soooo
I read it and he is absolutely right
2020-06-25 20:20
say sike
2020-06-26 10:34
Lithuania arres
2020-06-26 11:42
+1 stopped reading at brazil flag
2020-06-26 11:26
expected from ignorants
2020-07-03 04:21
Bymas | 
Romania sky27
expected from brazilian mad boy
2020-06-25 17:07
Worth the read, but here's a tl;dr 1. OP convince that leaf and xeppa could be cheating 2. Mibr fan should stop threatening the player in question
2020-06-25 17:09
2020-06-26 11:25
2020-07-03 04:23
brazilian again
2020-06-25 17:10
mucho texto
2020-06-25 17:11
read manito pls.
2020-06-25 17:12
Hahahah +1 careful they can ban you for not putting english wacho
2020-06-26 04:19
Wow men, chill your balls dude
2020-06-25 17:13
Denmark dyinbyran
"I analyzed the clips and concluded that " Lol
2020-06-25 17:14
lol Gaben is gonna hire him.
2020-06-26 03:51
its the Dan M demo analyst.
2020-06-26 15:20
Canada dT1346
+1 xd
2020-07-03 04:24
he is just giving his opinion, he isnt saying he is a specialist in cheats and demos
2020-07-03 04:26
SK was super clean in 2016 right??? even more fishy than these chaos guys
2020-06-25 17:14
thanks for agreeing with me, pros are cheating since flusha days and valve dont do anything about it.
2020-06-25 17:16
Europe kk0na
True and valve 100% know that some pros are cheating and they wont do anything because that would destroy the "scene"
2020-06-25 17:29
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Germany m1soooo
2020-06-25 20:20
Denmark dyinbyran
So they give a special "anti vac" feature to those pros and what about other anti cheat systems ? They are not related to valve lol ,so why tf should they care ? Stop being delusional
2020-06-26 10:08
Lithuania arres
Other ac sucks dick as well. Forsaken cheated on lan which according to retarded tHeRe-arE-NO-cHEatiNg-prOs crowd is impossible. He wouldve goten away with it easily if he wasnt so dumb and that blatant. He was caught because he thought that aimlocking and shooting jumping enemy heads through boxes will not raise any suspicions not because ac caught it. Thats the same with police and real life criminals. Majority of criminals are super retarded, short term positivity takes over, they dont think through "what if" scenarios much (if any) and thats why they get caught.
2020-06-26 11:53
forsaken was caught cheating because his pc got flagged by the anti-cheat, the admins then looked the next day and his pc was flagged again so they checked and found the cheats.
2020-06-26 12:34
Lithuania arres
Do you have the link or anything where it is described? I know for sure that his pc was checked during the match so I though they just checked it because of suspicious plays.
2020-06-26 13:04
Lithuania arres
Thanks. Guess I was wrong then
2020-06-26 13:44
2020-06-26 10:21
2020-07-02 04:48
Denmark dyinbyran
Flag checks out btw
2020-06-25 17:15
Yes, specially FalleN aka Wallen
2020-06-25 17:16
thanks for agreeing with me.
2020-06-25 17:18
Can u deny that lg/sk cheated to even become relevant in 15/16 tho? i havent seen any brazilian doing a cringy "analysis" even tho there have been easy as fishy clips as these
2020-06-25 17:19
thanks for agreeing with me, pros are cheating and valve is sleeping.
2020-06-25 17:21
actually i do. was saying this in 2016 already but brazilians where somehow blind back then 🤔
2020-06-25 17:23
i always used to think it but was in denial most of the time, but time to time these things happen and valve dont do anything to garantee me pros are legit, this time around im never gonna believe on pro scene as i did before, games lost big part of the appeal for me.
2020-06-25 17:26
Every sport has 3rd parties to do anti doping. ofc valve & tournamentorganizers arent interested in goving this job to another org or so since they are the ones to profit the most. as if they cared about cheats as long as the moneyflow continues
2020-06-25 17:33
thats my point 👍👍👍
2020-06-25 17:34
cry is free
2020-06-25 17:20
Wasn't it Cold who said that we don't know 60% of what's actually happening in CS scene after he left MiBr? Or that's my mind making it up?
2020-06-25 17:20
i will not be surprised in some years some retired pro player release a book with all shady things behind the scene.
2020-06-25 17:22
I'm already expecting a book yea.
2020-06-25 17:24
Senor VAC's honest chronicles. I'd definitely read that 😄
2020-07-27 12:02
people said that in 2014, even some pros
2020-06-25 17:21
pro players watched flusha cheating and valve did nothing, they just accepted it and started to use too, now everyone is corrupt and no one will open their mouth.
2020-06-25 17:29
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Germany m1soooo
yep exactly, like if someone can do it as obvious as flusha did and get away with it (even with some retards thinking to the day he was legit lol) everyone thought they can do it aswell I have to say it got better tho, they aren´t THAT obvious anymore, 2016 and 17 I couldnt even watch a game anymore without getting mad
2020-06-25 20:24
shox, byali, subroza and many other were cheating back then and no one cared
2020-06-25 18:53
so cheating confirmed /close
2020-06-25 17:22
Europe kk0na
Finally some1 understand the situation PROS are cheating and its so obv but there is these idiots who thinks its impossible to cheat on lan/online blablabla
2020-06-25 17:23
and they insta say "cry brazilian fallen cheated", and they think i will defend it, they are just helping my case actually.
2020-06-25 17:27
Europe kk0na
Yea these some idios are so delusional but have u ever watched c0ncepts videos he explains pretty well how pros cheats work
2020-06-25 17:34
i will take a look, but just by simple logic and humanity history on cheating on sports, i can already presume they are cheating, it's up to valve to prove me wrong.
2020-06-25 18:06
United States nenemehta
Lol one look at the c0ncepts channel and u see its fake af. He acuses shroud of hacking when shroud is good at every game(even ones on beta) shroud is pure aimgod not hack.
2020-06-26 04:11
you cant cheat on vac secured servers
2020-06-25 19:09
what...? You definitely can lol. Matchmaking games are vac secure... but you still see hackers in those games occasionally
2020-06-26 04:42
you cant cheat on vac secured servers
2020-06-26 08:04
But you can. I don't understand why you would think its impossible.
2020-07-02 04:35
No, you cant cheat on vac secured servers men
2020-07-02 09:34
I'm very confused by this take. Are you just meme-ing on me or are you actually serious?
2020-07-03 03:35
you cant cheat on vac secured servers
2020-07-03 03:53
he is baiting because he think it is funny
2020-07-03 04:29
There are a lot of money at stake, of course they would cheat, the match odds alone can make one player set for life
2020-06-25 17:24
I would believe this if it wasn't a brazilian talking if someone else would explain this, i would maybe believe it to be true
2020-06-25 17:55
judge me for what i say, no for where i'm coming from.
2020-06-25 18:03
Europe kk0na
Worst argument ever if u dont believe brazilians go watch c0npet on youtube
2020-06-25 18:37
nice self promote
2020-06-25 18:46
xenophobe hahahahahaha
2020-06-25 18:54
so far the worst comment in this thread
2020-07-03 04:30
he clearly said that just because he is brazilian he has no credibility, can't you read?
2020-07-03 04:41
I wrote it in the wrong spot
2020-07-03 04:42
no problem man I'm all against this disgusting mentality
2020-07-03 04:43
Pakistan XtraticX
Every noob thinks pros are cheater
2020-06-25 18:09
can you prove theres no cheaters on pro scene?
2020-06-25 18:15
Pakistan XtraticX
Why i prove? I'm not responsible for anyone except me Sometimes i played some good shots or my friends clutch an impossible rounds, noob says we are cheaters. (Doesn't matter how bad we choked on some round) It's so simple, If you can't compete with any skilled player you called them cheater
2020-06-26 09:03
i could answer but your argument is soo shit
2020-07-03 04:33
His argument is valid, one reason that is so dificult to spot a cheater its because people cannot accept defeat So starting saying the other party is cheating and most of the times they are wrong
2020-07-27 11:48
2020-07-03 13:35
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Germany m1soooo
It´s the other way around bro
2020-06-25 20:25
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Canada chedca
demo is proof but most people/players are noobs so thats why better evidence is needed
2020-06-26 04:19
2020-06-26 11:09
You mean pros say noobs cheat?
2020-07-03 03:45
yea haha
2020-07-03 13:27
Russia MeowZer
i can deny whatever i want only blatant cheater on scene is Subroza
2020-06-25 18:38
Europe kk0na
Flusha back in the day,kjaerbye was too,shox,shroud and much more "blatant" cheaters
2020-06-25 18:43
Russia MeowZer
flusha yes kjaerbye no shroud 10000000% no shox 50/50
2020-06-25 18:47
2020-06-25 18:56
Russia MeowZer
2020-06-25 19:06
Portugal MCDOUG
wow, some of them are scandalous
2020-06-25 19:13
This proves that leaf and xeppa cheats, same kind of locks thru the walls.
2020-07-02 04:51
exactly but they will never get caught because of anticheat
2020-07-02 14:36
2020-07-02 16:17
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Germany m1soooo
flusha yes kjaerbye yes shroud 10000000% yes shox yes
2020-06-25 20:26
Brazil ftf123
shroud is actually the most successful player (that played csgo) in terms of money won on life i think, he is very good in diverse games of aim, if he uses cheats then he the most evil mastermind lol
2020-06-26 04:28
I don:t rhink he uses cheats in other games But every pro player in csgo is a good player, it just became normal to cheat I still respect shroud even tho I know he cheated
2020-06-26 11:12
Brazil ftf123
good point, its possible
2020-06-26 11:17
Flusha and Shox are the only ones to ring a bell here. You're dumb if you think Kjaerbye and Shroud were cheating.
2020-06-25 18:56
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Germany m1soooo
nope ur dumb kjaerbye one of the most obvious ones ever actually
2020-06-25 20:27
Kjaerbye has never been a consistent player and his shaking more often than not hampered his ability to kill rather than helped, I have no idea how you think he was or is a cheater.
2020-06-26 09:56
You think that's an argument? His shaking clearly was an an aimbot
2020-06-26 11:14
his shaking spray was suspicious, and nobody would cheat so hard to be consistent all the time
2020-07-03 04:36
2020-06-25 18:53
Poland Hanse
ugh it's this idiot again
2020-06-25 18:54
ugh it's this narrow-minded again
2020-06-25 18:57
nex | 
Germany m1soooo
ugh it's this narrow-minded again
2020-06-25 20:27
ugh it's this narrow-minded again
2020-06-26 10:27
"I analyzed the clips and concluded..." stopped reading there
2020-06-25 18:57
Everything checks out
2020-06-25 19:08
Brazil Caiobkw
This is already tin foil hat shit. Not even arguing if Chaos or anyone else is cheating, the fact that they are just going to ignore cheaters if the AC doesn't catch anything. That basically means cheating is now allowed if the AC doesn't catch it, which is most cheats as no AC is good enough.
2020-06-25 19:09
its not even foil hat shit, look at formula1 scene, how much people cheat on it besides all the fiscalization, Michael Schumacher the biggest f1 winner on the matter of titles, cheated it to the bones. And these people belieave valve with their AC that dont even catch a spinbotter on dm will do anything? at very least laughable.
2020-06-25 19:18
Chile esanchez47
I read it, and maybe the title of the thread is too bold, so people could say "another im-right-youre-wrong post"... But there are some interesting points. I rescue this fragment: "You cant trust on the anti-cheat (it dont even work on mm, thats why valve appealed to trust factor and csgo prime), forsaken was cheating on lan and was only discovered cuz the adm looked at his pc, the anti cheat didnt see anything".
2020-06-25 20:14
i choose this title to get attetion, i knew many people would came here talking shit.
2020-06-25 22:23
Finland Smoonah
it’s easy to cheat in shit game really. that’s what most nobodies do to become known (like DoCc). he was some prodigy shit oh god new #1 player, now got known and clearly toggled off and is in some nobody t4 team
2020-06-25 20:15
its simple, no vac no cheat
2020-06-25 20:23
Singapore Asturobot
when every pro is cheating no one is cheating
2020-06-25 20:29
you must be new to csgo and hltv
2020-06-25 20:32
i use it since 2015 and i play csgo since 2014. cs 1.6 since forever if i remember but never got serious playing 1.6.
2020-06-25 22:19
i just want to ask how many hours you have on this game, ive literally been playing legit my entire life and looked at my demos and they look fishy af alot of these clips have already been disproved.
2020-06-25 20:32
I have 3k hours. Even tarik and fallen and a lot of other brazilian pros, fnx, felps, found these clips suspicious at very least, so they dont know what they talk about? many of these pro players have more years of CS than Leaf have of life.
2020-06-25 22:17
Everyone used to think flusha was cheating back then also, shox has a video talking about it.
2020-06-25 22:18
United States Algezir
The Qualifier isn't just using VAC though, and a lot of those players have gone to the major companies to prove they weren't at that time. Noted: I said at that time, ESEA and FACEIT have better anticheat software but anticheat will always play catchup, tbh i dont think a witch hunt is needed.
2020-06-25 20:38
i told you so
2020-06-25 21:28
OMG Valve, I know that is up to ESEA act on this case, but it's your game and this kind of thing is terrible to its future, pls do something!
2020-06-25 21:36
France Asviix
BR scene mad that there's no good BR teams besides FURIA
2020-06-25 22:20
United States YEP_COCK
Ah yes xaxexixoxu, The top tier csgo analyst
2020-06-25 22:22
you welcome.
2020-06-25 22:24
i think some of them where in the past like flusha, shox, byali but they stoped after kqly and that aimlock shit where ppl started care about it
2020-06-25 22:24
not to mention the bet scandals with the team and players in question...
2020-06-25 22:25
+1 really sad, people are this blind.
2020-06-26 03:49
no some like shox, flusha where but the majority surly not
2020-06-26 03:52
quem se cala contra o cheat é cheater
2020-06-26 03:57
If pros did cheat, there would be no reason to play DM or aim_botz. Plus, if they cheated on LAN, 100% of the time their cheat would "act up" which would cause the player's facial expression to change suddenly which we have not seen yet. Not to mention, all other aspects of their playing would go down. Cross hair placement, movement; basically the players would get "lazy" and it would show.
2020-06-26 04:01
ofc they dont cheat 100% of the time, not even every round. at pro lvl game, any info you get can get you a round, and any round can get you a match and so on. the crosshair dont even need to go on the player, just going left or right, a pro player could know where the player is.
2020-06-26 04:04
How do you then prove that? You can't just pick and choose clips and deduce that "here he's cheating here he is not". You need proof. Which you won't get.
2020-06-26 09:58
you dont need to proof now, the shit is already done, the thing the scenario should do is make a org outside of valve and organaziers with specialists on cheats and matchfixing, and toughen up the anti cheat systen all around. the fact pro players can have their phone on the pc usb (byali on lan) is laughable, or even be allowed to use their own gear on lan when you could install cheats on the mouse if you wanted. if they make the anti cheat better all around, at least would scare the cheaters away.
2020-06-26 14:14
United States Amerika!
my god your an idiot this is on another level of delusion
2020-06-26 11:16
Vietnam Sooaside
What extent do pros cheat? I think some use minor cheats or performance boosters but your evidence is flimsy and your conclusions are far reaching and vague. Who cares if someone cheats in an online video game
2020-06-26 04:27
the problem start to rise when these online games involve millions of dollars.
2020-06-26 04:35
Have you ever watched s1mple play? Do you know how much clips you can make of him?
2020-06-26 10:03
Why watch cs go competition... They are using cheats in front of thousan viewers. They dont even respect cs go fan base. Just stop to loose your time. They dont deserve our attention same for our money. Fck volvo
2020-06-26 10:20
one word:delusional
2020-06-26 10:28
What i like most about the cs cheating scene is that jamppi was caught red handed and still sued valve for losing possible earnings, while all the other pros that are accused of cheating dont even think about replying to the accusations, even if they are defamed. Do you know why? Because they dont feel the injustice that a legit player feels. Their organizations and sponsors dont care as long as money keeps flowing in, so no one gives a f***k. We even see jamppi and s1mple competing, even if they were banned. Oh and you can find on YT videos with pros saying that banned players should get a second chance. Basically, they admit that they would forgive a cheating team that beated them and literally stole their earnings. Everyone in the pro scene is corrupted
2020-06-26 10:33
We should stop watching cs massively. If the audience is low maybe volvo or org and pro would try to do something to change the actual situation. No money = no salary. But if every naïve kid keep support their favorit player or cheater nothing gone change. We (fans) have the money, we have the power. Think about it
2020-06-26 11:27
Stopping watching or playing is not a good way though. Many people like you and me like to watch pro matches either to improve or to have a nice time and to play daily casual dm for the lulz or some mm. However those are full of cheaters too. Stopping watching cs because of cheaters is like saying we should stop watching football, because the athletes are on the gear and because of match fixing (which happens in csgo too). Again, its not a solution, cheating and match fixing will always be there, no matter what
2020-06-26 11:47
the only way to reduce the amount of cheating is by not giving valve any money until they take adequate anti cheat measures on tournaments like not allowing ppl to bring shit on to stage, putting the PCs below the stage so that niko cant plug in usb drives live in front of the crowd, and using new gear out of the box. the current measures are so inadequate, the only reason to have them is if you want to allow people to cheat while having a bit of security theater for simpleminded fans like putting players ssds in locked boxes overnight while they get unsupervised access to the lan PCs in the daytime and those things get fucking internet connections. as soon as valve calculates that acting against cheating would make them more money than not doing it, they will do it. the problem is of course that most people who are fans of csgo are fucking stupid so this will never happen because they wont believe there is a problem as long as their favorite player is hitting insane headshots every game
2020-06-26 15:07
Portugal DeviphZ
stop reading at "I analyzed the clips"
2020-06-26 11:42
2020-06-26 11:51
Why the fuck would you think forsakeN was cheating? He was set up by racist ESL who didnt want the GREATEST NATION ON EARTH INDIA DOMINATING ANOTHER SPORT
2020-06-26 12:31
2020-06-26 14:07
pros cheated/are cheating zzz tell me something new
2020-06-26 12:36
give me one clip of a proper tier 1 pro (not talking about leaf or some other tier 3 player), where they are cheating in a proper tier 1 tournament on LAN then. go on
2020-06-26 12:36 game speed around 1% or lower if you think this is legit its time to unistall
2020-06-26 13:07
omg this is some old ass clip which was proven to be a demo bug
2020-06-26 13:35
proven by who?? where?
2020-06-26 14:14
by testing, there was a spec bug where the demo/gotv would not save the players view angle to an accurate enough number. so if you moved your mouse diagonally while double scoped, this kind of behaviour could occur. valve fixed this after this clip, it had been in the game for a long time. imo much better example are clips like these from 2016: there were a bunch of other players who had these instant crosshair teleports at katowice 2016. among others felps and taco. i predicted right after the tournament we would not see snaps like this again because it was clearly a bug in the acceleration for the aimbot. and indeed we did not. this means not only do they all cheat but a lot of them use the same provider. just to give you an idea of how blatant these brazilians were in 2016: (Dan M alert)
2020-06-26 14:54
moreover show a recent clip not something from 2014
2020-06-26 13:38
dude get a life
2020-06-26 12:39
Greece Noocklas
nice post man
2020-06-26 12:41
Greece Noocklas
clips are very obvious
2020-06-26 12:59
when silver goes sherlock
2020-06-26 13:28
Flag checks out.
2020-06-26 13:40
Makes for a good copypasta i guess
2020-06-26 13:45
To all these people in instant denial: "The biggest blind is the one that don't want to see."
2020-06-26 14:19
Low risk, high reward. People kill for less money than what the CSGO pro's make from not breaking the law at all. Governments need to step in worldwide and follow the example of S.Korea. Make it illegal per law, and most cheaters will instantly cease cheating.
2020-06-26 15:48
1000% people cheating in this game... I’m so sick of the “why would they risk their careers” line.. The Astros and Red Sox were both caught cheating last year in the MLB where they make 100x as much money as T1 CS players on salary.. THE ASTROS WON THE WORLD SERIES ADMITTEDLY CHEATING!! Teams in the nfl cheat.. Countries have been banned from the Olympics for systematically doping their entire team of athletes.. Youre going to tell me these nerds aren’t cheating for significantly less money?? Hahaha this community is so naive and pathetic.. Do some research people, shroud has talked about people paying for undetectable cheats since 1.6... real question is why wouldn’t you cheat for hundreds of thousands of dollars? And don’t even get me started on match fixing... eSports has 0 regulation... wake up blind community, you’re all the real problem for not speaking up against this obvious horse shit scene
2020-06-26 16:03
+1 people are blind on porpuse.
2020-06-26 17:42
Poland @P3tr@
forsaken used ez frags and got banned cuz anti virus showed some notification.
2020-06-26 22:32
+1 biggest disappointment to me was seeing FALLEN cheating while he was playing on Luminosity (search the vids on yt to see the clips....just disgusting).... I even punched the wall because of the anger (yeah I've problems I know....) the only funny thing here is that someone (leaf & xeppa) cheated against an Ex-cheater (fallen) so it's kinda you get what you deserve.... but at the same time, it shows you that nothing has improved since those days to nowadays... I just wonder... how many """pros""" are just "good cheaters" (people that knows how to hide it) I feel like the passion that I had for the game has been erased because of the disappointment, and will never be the same.... I hope that I'm wrong and that VOLVO will solve (somehow) the problem and maybe that will make me love this game like I used to....but I don't think so :´(
2020-06-26 23:06
TL DR, but yes since 2012 this whole scene is a lie.
2020-07-02 04:36
Kindly make a video to show us the betting patterns in matches.
2020-07-02 04:53
You can't cheat on vac dude
2020-07-02 04:55
CIS cardison
i can deny it men watch pros r not cheaters
2020-07-02 05:08
weak bait nt
2020-07-02 05:16
2020-07-02 05:19
nice post, they think you being a brazilian only care about chaos cheating because we're fans of mibr,etc... but the truth is this guys are in "the tip of the iceberg"
2020-07-02 05:39
i deny it
2020-07-02 05:43
its impossible to cheat on vac secured servers
2020-07-02 05:43
Rapala is not strong with this one
2020-07-02 09:42
you definitely can cheat on VAC servers tho?? Otherwise why would overwatch exist
2020-07-03 03:41
you can't, vac is 100% cheat proof, anyone you think is cheating is just better than you, otherwise if you could cheat on vac servers pro's would do it and they would end up on overwatch, but they don't, so there is the proof.
2020-07-03 03:52
+1 apply for disability pension
2020-07-27 06:56
only 3 or 4of the clips from leaf are really sus, even so, why would he use an aimbot without an fov, even 420 cheats has an fov function afair
2020-07-02 09:37
Brazilians still mad over a bet huh
2020-07-02 16:19
leaf is cheater
2020-07-02 17:08
Silver spotted
2020-07-03 03:58
Brazil zzzzzzznt
yes the scene is infected stop supporting cheaters
2020-07-03 04:19
loli | 
Japan Peine
everything checkout
2020-07-03 04:26
North America SK_Skay
7-1 never forget kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-07-03 04:34
Although i agree that the pro scene is not free of cheating, Forsaken got caught by the tournament anti cheat... i remember reading an interview with one of the admins and he said that the anti cheat detected something wrong with Forsaken and that's exactly what made them take a look at his computer... yeah i know people were already suspecting that he was cheating on tournaments, but this is not what made them go search something on his PC at that exact moment, it was the anti cheat.
2020-07-03 05:01
You can't cheat on VAC secured servers.
2020-07-03 13:37
leaf is cheater OMEGALUL
2020-07-03 13:38
flag checks out
2020-07-03 13:40
Yes i know and biggest cheaters were cold and fallen
2020-07-27 07:01
jesus this whole thread is long and I'm not willing to read it
2020-07-27 11:52
Finland subhumen
jesus you're sad and pathetic with your 99% cheating pros Don't create a thread with no proof next time. btw not surprised that flag checks out.
2020-07-27 12:07
yes mens valve has a special team that produces cheats for pros it is essential to the scene after they drop from top 30 the cheat turn into an rng system so thaf not every shot hits
2020-07-27 12:14
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