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Jamppi Should Be Unban
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Sweden bruhmoment000 
Even if Jamppi did cheat, he should still get unbanned. There is such a huge difference between someone cheating in a silver matchmaking game when they were 13yo with a $10 cheat that got detected by VAC and someone who is cheating when they are on a semi-pro level. It's fucked up that people like day0s and xype who literally were cheating when they were playing on a semi-pro level in FPLC end up suffering less consequences than Jamppi because their cheat was detected by FaceIT and not VAC. Xype has already been unbanned and day0s getting unbanned in a few days. Jamppi had no idea that he would go on to potentially be a top tier player when he supposedly cheated, meaning he was much much less aware of the consequences for his actions. Xype and day0s were already playing at a very high level, they were painfully aware of the consequences they would suffer if caught and, most importantly, they ruined competitive integrity on a much much larger scale than Jamppi, since they were cheating in FPLC, and probably even official matches. Cheating in a silver game is nothing compared to that. A punishment for people like Jamppi would be appropiate, but a perma ban is TOO HARSH and it becomes ridiculous when people who literally were cheating as semi-pros gets unbanned after 2 years. What do you think?
2020-06-27 00:14
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#1
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Hungary subzera
cheating at a young age shows a lack of morals
2020-06-27 00:14
+1
2020-06-27 00:16
lack of a brain so he showed he accused why are not forgiving a kid ??
2020-06-27 00:19
+1
2020-06-27 18:05
bro wtf was I having a stroke while typing this xd
2020-06-28 04:00
Not agreeing or disagreeing with you. But there's a reason society has a criminal age of responsability and below that age, someone is deemed to not know the differences between right or wrong. Yes I know this isn't a criminal offence but the same concept can be applied
2020-06-27 00:22
#24
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Finland jakem0n
+1
2020-06-27 00:40
+1
2020-06-27 00:53
+2 13yo can´t understand 100% how cheating could effect to him and others. everyone who have had great childhood have had bad ideas.
2020-06-27 01:02
i agree with #8, but that does not deny the fact that 13y/o know of unfairness and morals while playing
2020-06-27 12:41
Ofc he understands morally that it is bad but does really any 13 year old give too shits about morals
2020-06-27 18:03
he gotta live with the consequences then
2020-06-27 18:16
Do you really think any 13 year old would know anything about cosequences. You are literally the most retarted person ever
2020-06-27 18:37
ýou are for thinking they dont. just because you may lived like a snowflake, you dont have to put that on other people.
2020-06-27 18:50
I can tell you are 13 and think you are so mature and smarter than everyone else
2020-06-27 18:52
i can tell you are not good at telling others things that make actual sense. He knew it was bad, still did it, deserved. You just want to put the blame on others, typical for the younger generation right now, totally retarded tbh.
2020-06-27 18:53
How am i blaming others. A 13 year old whos brains were still developing cheated in a videogame because he didn't realize there would be any cosequences should deserve to be banned for life
2020-06-27 18:58
i think he's just baiting you dude.
2020-06-27 19:00
Starting to feel like that too
2020-06-27 19:01
just see where this goes meazer
2020-06-27 19:01
stfu obvious bait or child you pick
2020-06-28 01:21
for you it's obviously child
2020-06-28 01:47
Probably a child that think he is more developed than he is (like most childs do)
2020-06-28 17:51
you are still crying about the consequences coming from a kid intentionally doing something wrong. you cheat, you get banned, easy as that. just stop spouting nonsense, blaming others and sit down.
2020-06-27 19:01
lifetime ban is still quite harsh for a kid cheating in a game. even if you cheat in a school exam you dont get a lifetime punishment... even if you do actual crimes as a kid you dont get a lifetime punishment
2020-06-27 19:09
exactly, some brain arrived.
2020-06-27 19:10
Thats literally what i have been saying for the last 20 messages. He doesn't deserve a lifetime punishment for something he did as a 13 year old
2020-06-28 11:57
SO DONT REGISTER YOURSELF ON STEAM IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ToS
2020-06-29 08:48
+1+1+1+1 Ask a lawyer, a teacher or a psychologist their opinion on that my jerman Freund.
2020-06-28 05:17
#81
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Singapore Jaredlkj
+1
2020-06-27 07:54
#185
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Finland Wimpeli
+1
2020-06-27 18:04
#75
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Netherlands toothpaste
i cheated in minecraft when i was 11
2020-06-27 07:15
#118
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Lithuania arres
I cheated with gunsgunsguns in gta 3 when I was 13. Just like jampii
2020-06-27 10:08
jumpjet
2020-06-29 09:08
Same and actually got perma ban for some servers
2020-06-27 13:02
once a cheater always a cheater!!!
2020-06-27 19:10
you'll prove it or...
2020-06-27 20:42
once a retard always a retard.
2020-06-28 17:36
once braindead and can't understand obvious sarcasm always braindead and can't understand obvious sarcasm
2020-06-29 08:50
Like the saying goes 'Once a cheater, always a cheater'
2020-06-27 09:50
#122
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Lithuania arres
that's nonsense. I cheated out of interest for a couple of days in some random non steam CS1.6 servers back in the early days. I never cheated since. I was around the same age as jampii and it seems total retardation that you would be banned for life for a stupid shit like this.
2020-06-27 10:14
You and jamppi are pretty similar. Both of you wont play in majors either
2020-06-27 10:54
xd
2020-06-27 12:22
Burnn
2020-06-27 18:03
actually Valve's ban from majors don't apply to cs 1.6 bans for cheating. Otherwise snax, dosia and many others couldn't have played edit: it was snax, not neo
2020-06-27 18:58
are you retarded? he just said "non steam" he got banned from random 1.6 public servers, what a terrible "roast"
2020-06-27 22:30
He wont play in majors just like you and I wont. Cheating and not playing in majors is something that is common for him and snappi. It's not that hard to understand))
2020-06-27 22:37
however, in contrast to you, jampi is still a child, you might have proven yourself but he? did he really prove he will never cheat again? unlike all ppl argue here, it is just 4 years ago. It's not like 10 years ago and he behaved well since then. it's just 4 years.
2020-06-28 17:40
#300
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Lithuania arres
you are not the scientist, aren't you?
2020-06-28 22:02
And Jampi wasn't even the one using cheats
2020-06-29 08:51
yh act like you havent done anything bad or stupid on your younger days xD
2020-06-27 15:04
#216
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Hungary subzera
I have never cheated. Mad?
2020-06-27 20:13
and i assume you never done anything dumb as a teenager?
2020-06-27 20:23
#221
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Hungary subzera
such as>
2020-06-27 20:53
anything illegal, against school rules, something yur parents dont approve.....
2020-06-27 21:20
#223
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Hungary subzera
not really, no. call me a bitch but I am terrified of confrontation so Ive always just kept my head down and kept to myself.
2020-06-27 21:27
I've also never cheated in cs or any multiplayer game. That doesn't mean I need to be here moralizing and condemning people for life. Give the guy a break. A 13-year old deserves a second chance.
2020-06-28 17:38
thats not the point though everyone was doing some bad stuff and got at least some sort of punished for that the worst the thing u did, the bigger the punishement and cheating is, in my eyes, a really bad thing with should be punished hard
2020-06-28 01:30
so what has changed since then? yes he was a teenager, but other then your argument might suggest, he is still a teenager. it is not very long time ago that he cheated. so why should be unbanned? did he anyhow proof he will never do it again?
2020-06-28 17:37
Has anyone who's ever been released from prison showed any proof that they'll never break the law again?
2020-06-28 17:40
what has this to do with the topic? those ppl payed for their mistakes. and yes there are ppl who are dismissed earlier from prison because the behaved well. however, jamppi has his punishment, and to shorten it, is not a necessity. the fact that he only had 4 years to prove himself makes it sound ridiculous to sue valve. the fact that he made up a story around this shows how immature he is.
2020-06-28 17:46
+1
2020-06-28 01:27
and on top, what most ppl forget, he is still a child. every one always says he was 14 (not 13) when he cheated, as if it would be super long time ago... but it is just 4 years ago! he is still a child. before he can be unbanned he has to show, that he changed.
2020-06-28 17:35
lack of morals when young and now knowing any better yes +1
2020-06-28 17:38
Yes it shows lack of morals at young age but you can not give that as argument why he should be severely punished when hes a grown adult and way more concious about your actions.
2020-06-28 17:51
#3
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Poland im2fast4u
cheater always be a cheater fuck him! And stupid excuse that a friend was cheating let him put in the ass.
2020-06-27 00:20
i arent think that
2020-06-27 00:19
so u think hes still cheating in ence and fpl?
2020-06-27 00:44
#49
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Finland Porro
thats good point :DDD
2020-06-27 01:28
let's send jampi to saudi-arabia and behead him, jampi noob.
2020-06-27 06:56
you can behead in finland too, go to east helsinki its basically saudi-arabia
2020-06-27 10:40
this. hyui vittu
2020-06-28 04:53
#143
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Finland Jodecast
Well we should have banned snax as well then, its known that he cheated
2020-06-27 11:11
#164
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Poland im2fast4u
he got ban via ESL WIRE which at that time was defective and ban was unjust so its not a the same case
2020-06-27 13:06
what about s1mple then?
2020-06-27 19:01
didn't read but no, bans shouldn't just apply to the major either but all tournament plus youtube/twitch...
2020-06-27 00:18
Yes. So that Valve cound ban anyone whenever they wanted and had to share no proof of cheating and there would be no appeals :D It would be wise for rich players to pay for a few employees to start banning upcoming talent so they remain relevant.
2020-06-27 07:47
valve can already do that. they don't have any obligation to let anyone play at the major. it's a marketing event
2020-06-27 18:20
And thats what makes esports a joke. Its not sports as anyone can just get banned for nothing if they choose so.
2020-06-28 10:10
jamppi didn't get banned for nothing, he cheated.
2020-06-28 14:09
So where is the proof of that? Valve dont give out any information on how they banned him. Could be some fat guy losing Faceit matches pressing the button.
2020-06-28 16:59
valve already confirmed that he cheated and he also admitted it in the court documents (he claims it was his "friend" but that doesn't matter as he admits that it was his account).
2020-06-28 17:04
If I say you suck ten cocks for ten euros, does it make it true?
2020-06-28 17:06
if I had a "sucked ten cocks" ban on my steam account then yes. what is your point? he is officially VAC banned. not even jamppi denies this.
2020-06-28 17:09
But anyone could get vac banned based on that. They dont show proof of how, why or when you got banned. They can literally ban you for sucking ten cocks.
2020-06-28 17:22
why would they randomly ban him years ago when he wasn't even famous? why would they ban him for no reason anyway? also do you have any evidence for your conspiracy theory?
2020-06-28 17:30
But they could. Thats the point. They could ban anyone for anything. That kind of power never goes misused in the world of sports.
2020-06-28 17:35
okay could also be that aliens land on earth tomorrow. how is that relevant. clearly you have no evidence that he was falsely banned not even jamppi claims that.
2020-06-28 17:40
But the guilt is what has to be proven you retard. Can you prove you did not suck those ten dicks in past ten years?
2020-06-28 18:25
playing CS is not a right retard lol
2020-06-28 18:49
Keep sucking those dicks :D
2020-06-28 21:11
Most retarted comment i have seen in HLTV
2020-06-27 18:04
20 iq person spotted
2020-06-28 00:31
finland flag spotted
2020-06-28 01:13
Bans should not be permanent. If as a 12 year old you played a game of football where you were on adderal or something (Obviously a dumb example but its the best I could think of on the spot), you wouldn't be banned from playing professional football as an adult.
2020-06-27 00:23
Yea exactly. Permanent is too harsh.
2020-06-27 00:26
this is not football, so much easier to cheat in csgo than it is in "adult" sports.
2020-06-27 00:53
doesnt matter, cheating is still cheating, age is still age.
2020-06-27 00:54
So because its easier to cheat they should get more punishment? That makes more sense. Surely if cheating is more accessible, a young kid is more likely to make the mistake of cheating, and should receive even less punishment, because cheating is way easier.
2020-06-27 02:47
#77
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Finland siloquez
Yes and if they get unbanned there is even less reason NOT TO cheat. Valve will never unban, it's the same as "negotiation with terrorists" (hard comparison), if you do it once...
2020-06-27 07:32
People who still want to cheat after being banned will just make new accounts after they were banned and cheat on those too. In the case of Jamppi he hasn't cheated in a long time and there its pretty clear that he's legit right now. Why would he go back to cheating?
2020-06-27 13:07
how? finnish roman eremenko got busted couple years ago about douping and he just took line of heroine. he got 2 year ban of competitive football
2020-06-27 09:03
#91
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Finland Orchard
You don't know the difference between cocaine and heroine?
2020-06-27 09:14
Oh shit here we go again "Jamppi had no idea that he would go on to potentially be a top tier player when he supposedly cheated, meaning he was much much less aware of the consequences for his actions. " I give a fuck, gaben gives a fuck cry is free
2020-06-27 00:25
If gaben gives a fuck, why doesnt he perma ban the people who were literally playing in FPLC when they were cheating?
2020-06-27 00:35
same answer as always. Cuz no Vac ban
2020-06-27 00:37
But how does that make any sense? Only $10 cheats gets detected by VAC, its by far the shittiest anticheat. Why would a player who spends fucking thousands of dollars to cheat on faceits super intrusive anticheat get LESS punishment than someone who spent $10 on some random cheat that got detected by VAC?
2020-06-27 00:39
It makes sense. Cuz that are the rules.
2020-06-27 00:40
Yes, but WHY are those the rules?
2020-06-27 00:45
If VAC doesnt detect them valve has no "proof" that they were cheating, only information from a 3rd party.
2020-06-27 00:56
+1
2020-06-27 09:31
Yes, I understand that, but why does Valve have so much harsher punishments than Faceit and ESEA? Like, why is their punishment for this so different, when faceit and esea cheats are way less accessible and expensive, which is a big sign of a long-term cheater and closet cheater (who in my opinion, are the worst of all).
2020-06-28 01:55
because valve already has your money faceit and esea want more subscription money?
2020-06-28 02:04
Okay, I don't think that reason makes a lot of sense, but let's assume that's the reason. Why does ESL have a 1year or 2year ban then??? S1mple, who got banned from ESL for cheats when he was already playing at a high level got unbanned from ESL tournaments. Why do they have that, if the motive is subscription money?
2020-06-28 02:19
"I am not racist but jerman" following the rules to the obsolete point is never a good sign
2020-06-27 09:11
If the rules have moral integrity it is okay
2020-06-27 09:44
#147
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Finland JooonsMO
is it morally right to permanently ban 13 year old? if it is why doesnt that happen in any other sports? at least in Finland under the age of 15 is not criminally liable under criminal law. so there is that also to prove that kids under age of 15 dont fully understand the consequences of their actions.
2020-06-27 12:01
it is right cuz if you don't ban him you let down the integrity of the game and that effect all csgo players and fans and Esport in general. He did sth wrong that can't be ignored if you wanna protect CS.
2020-06-27 12:02
#151
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Finland JooonsMO
I dont think it lets down the integrity of the game since it wasnt official match (is was 1v1 with friends). But I agree (if he actually cheated and it wasnt his friend) that he did something wrong and should be punished but this is too harsh. If this young player gets banned he/she should be banned at least until they are 18years (minimum of 3 years) old so I think he has had his lesson and should be unbanned.
2020-06-27 12:34
you do. Watch what happens to sport with cheaters that come back. Watch Olympia even the athletes don't want to compete if there are known, cheater. Tour de France literally died cuz of cheat scandals. All because you give all of them a second chance. it shows there that a "person" is more important than the integrity of the sport. Then people start to give a fuck about the sport. For me, there is no second opinion. it is a fact that you destroy the integrity of the game every time a bit more. Also, Valve agrees with that or why do you think they don't want boundaries between teams that attend to the major?? Do you think it is just 4 fun?
2020-06-27 12:38
#157
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Finland JooonsMO
how many of these were under 15year old? how many of them cheated in casual competition against their friends? how many of the legit athletes have cheated in some way or another but werent caught and now have respectable career? In my opinion cheating in competition which have price pools should be made illegal, punished by law. In that way cheaters would be punished the right way (price money taken away, given fine, maybe even jailtime if there is large pricepool, and ofc ban for suitable period of time depending of how long they cheating has gone, how large price pool there was etc.). After cheater has gone trough all those punishments they are allowed to compete again.
2020-06-27 12:50
age doesn't really matter. I don't know why you people always come with age. with 10-12 you finally start to understand the world around you. So there is no excuse. There is no real difference if you cheat with 14 or with 24. Both show that you give a fuck about fair competition. And in CSGO no player get real punishment except that Valve ban them.
2020-06-27 12:54
#171
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Finland JooonsMO
"age doesnt really matter" and they you give age... ofc age matters but how much it matter depends. there could be 14 year old who understands the world around them better than some 24 years old does. all we can do is to put the line somewhere for example 15 year old. there is margin for people with slow development. some people are "late bloomers" and it wouldnt be that fair if the line is put too low. this is something people need to discuss but in my opinion we need to put line atleast somewhere. would it be fair that 7year old gets vac banned and 10 years later he becomes pro but cant go to majors since he cheated before "once a cheater always a cheater"...
2020-06-27 13:32
Not in the case of a 14 kid. It doesn't matter. And I don't discuss this anymore cuz you and other repeats that age bullshit over and over again. If you do things that aren't allowed you have to take the consequence and Valve here make the rules. They decide lifetime ban from their events and that it. And overall you don't need to convince me. I can't change Valve and I support the way Valve does it now. bye
2020-06-27 13:40
+1 if you are violating rules on steam, be ready to get LIFETIME ban, no matter how old are you
2020-06-29 08:51
#26
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Brazil _Awper
HLTV can only ban people that talk shit here and not people talking shit on twitter, reddit, YT, etc. See?
2020-06-27 00:43
+1
2020-06-27 09:46
20 iq bait but nt
2020-06-28 00:32
Gaben has then 20 IQ
2020-06-28 00:37
Get lost Nazi go torture some jews or something
2020-06-28 00:38
Make some vodka for your Russian brothers
2020-06-28 09:54
#11
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Czech Republic fnx_legend
+1 obv true, HLTV full of dickheads
2020-06-27 00:23
#12
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Canada f0rkb0mb
he shouldn't, sorry and plz stop posting this kind of useless threads.
2020-06-27 00:24
Agreed with op. Also not surprised that those who disagree have hungarian, polish and brazilian flags. You're guaranteed to lose faith in humanity living in places like that. :(
2020-06-27 00:25
no. cheaters should face the consequences of what they did. /closed
2020-06-27 00:29
#176
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Poland zbk1ng
even if cheater is kid and dont know the consequences? hahahaha
2020-06-27 14:22
no shit cheaters always banned
2020-06-27 00:29
#50
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Finland Porro
s1mple cheat also :)
2020-06-27 01:28
but has been banned in ESL wire for 2 years, not vac
2020-06-27 07:02
so? all cheaters still should be banned from majors cuz once a cheater always a cheater
2020-06-27 09:04
No! you are completely wrong, its doesnt work as you might think esl wire servers does not have vac, s1mple was banned from esl wire anti cheat and penalty was 2 years s1mple didnt cheated on vac secured server, so he is not cheater for vac servers
2020-06-27 09:09
i know that, but many people say once a cheater, always a cheater so i would say valve needs to change tos about pro cs cheating stuff and have rights to ban players that cheat on other platforms
2020-06-27 09:11
it doesnt work like that "once cheater, always cheater" LMAO valve knows much better, than finnish hltv user, what they should do jamppi gets vacced, lifetime banned (deserved) s1mple gets esl wire ban, 2 years ban on esl servers (deserved) in current statement s1mple is not cheater and jamppi is
2020-06-27 09:14
but once cheater always cheater
2020-06-27 10:10
#177
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Finland Porro
+1
2020-06-27 14:57
thats why s1mple is playing on valve events atm
2020-06-29 08:29
In current statement s1mple is not banned and Jamppi is. In current statement s1mple is a cheater and so is Jamppi. ftfy
2020-06-27 13:31
esl wire and vac is completely different platforms, game it self does not have anti cheat, server does
2020-06-29 08:40
This is some absolutely 10iq shit right here. You mean to say that just because someone got detected by VAC, indicating they had a cheap ass trash cheat, they deserve to get a harsher punishment than someone who gets detected by ESL, FaceIT or ESEA? Like, you can't be serious right?
2020-06-28 01:59
This is how it works, game itself does not have anticheat, server does. Valve give absolutely zero fucks about esl wire servers, if someone caught cheating on esl wire, he gets only esl wire ban
2020-06-29 08:34
if not bait, i have serious concerns about your mental well being. Pro player cheating = 2 year ban (deserved) 14 kid who cheats once in a casual game = lifetime ban (deserved)
2020-06-29 08:20
exactly, so if you dont agree with these rules, dont register yourself on steam
2020-06-29 08:27
Don't know if bait but, you honestly don't see the problem with this? Nobody is denying steam rules. The argument is that is it right/justified to get a lifetime ban in this context. Hate people who have a this borderline autistic view of the world and act like robots, unable to see the human side of the situation. Valve obviously doesn't HAVE to unban anyone if they don't want to, but in THIS situation, a second look would be right. This is a very unique case to other cheating cases since Jamppi is actually a player who could play at Majors and perform at them too, not just a casual mm player who wants to ruin the game for other players for fun.
2020-06-29 09:02
jammpi denied steam rules by 1. cheating 2. selling account Yes, this is sad that he has ruined his career at age of 13/14 but this is consequences of violating ToS.
2020-06-29 09:17
cheating in tornament >> cheating on a silver matchmaking game no matter the game
2020-06-28 00:33
PRO cheating on vac server = silver cheating on vac server
2020-06-29 08:52
20 iq?
2020-06-29 19:14
he cheated why do yall care theres others prospects out there
2020-06-27 00:36
Cause I think the policy is just outdated and dumb.
2020-06-27 00:40
because its not fair
2020-06-27 00:55
He cheated
2020-06-27 03:00
At 13. You should never hold a kid permanently responsible for his actions, even for adults, such things should only be reserved for the worst crimes.
2020-06-27 06:45
#8 Said it best, I think.
2020-06-27 06:46
ignorance of the rules is not a defence
2020-06-27 00:39
The punishment for breaking this rule (getting VAC banned) is too harsh, is my point.
2020-06-27 02:35
then dont register in steam, LUL whats the point
2020-06-27 09:24
It's the rule. That is the punishment for breaking the rule. Don't break the rule if you don't want the punishment.
2020-06-27 10:32
Yes man I fucking get that it's a rule. I am simply questioning the severity of the punishment for breaking that rule. Especially, since in this context, it was a 13 year old kid who broke the rule to cheat in silver matchmaking.
2020-06-28 03:01
Cool, don't break the rule.
2020-06-28 10:34
I mean there is a reason why age is taken into account when breaking laws in the real world.
2020-06-28 11:08
#25
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Other Entry_
VAC bans are prema bans. Faceit and ESEA cheating bans are mostly 2 years. 3 different orgs with 2 different rules. it doesn't have to do if it's Jamppi, xyp9x, day0s or whoever, the rules are known
2020-06-27 00:40
Why does the by far shittiest anticheat give perma bans? And why does the two hardest to bypass anticheats give 2year bans? It makes absolutely no sense. The cheats that gets detected by VAC are what, $10 cheats? Meanwhile FaceIT cheats costs what, over $2000 and are very hard to get? Why does the shittiest anticheat that only detects the mildest cheats give out perma bans, while the platform with the most intrusive anticheat, that people pay a shitton of money to cheat on, gives out 2 year bans? If anything, it should be fking reversed, since faceit closet cheaters are the absolute worst.
2020-06-27 00:58
#54
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Other Entry_
simply because Valve being the huge company they are cannot let cheaters get 2nd chances, while Faceit and ESEA are somewhat minor 3rd party orgs that no reviewers would really take that depth looking into their rules
2020-06-27 01:44
But if you ask anyone whats the biggest CSGO problem 95% would say cheaters. No reason to unban him, next pls
2020-06-27 00:47
#93
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World Beard43
+1
2020-06-27 09:23
yeah send him death threats too
2020-06-28 00:34
Imagine caring about a 14yo sending u death threats that live in another country, stfu kid. Btw, if he's actually cheating theres no excuse about his age. There are several 16yo kids chasing their dreams and playing fairly while a stupid one tries to be better in ilicit ways. After that scandal he shouldnt even read his social medias, only try to prove everyone is wrong
2020-06-28 13:55
finally an intelligent response to this topic
2020-06-27 00:51
VAC bans are a one-size fits all, DGAF solution to the problem of hackers. It hard enough to catch them, so why give second chances? Jamppi should go do something else, as a young gymnast with a spinal injury or a footballer with a torn ACL does
2020-06-27 00:56
Why you think we shouldnt give expection someone who we know isnt cheating
2020-06-27 09:45
#175
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Portugal dracø
Where do you draw the line then? Should we then unban all cheaters aged under 18 cuz they were all kids and didn't know any better? How do you determine who is still cheating and who isn't? It's not like jampii is in a jail cell, the kid can still jump onto other games and make a career for himself
2020-06-27 13:50
I agree, give him another chance
2020-06-27 01:00
I don't think age has much to do with this. When I was 6 I knew cheating was bad, when I was 13 I knew cheating was bad, I still know cheating is bad. He cheated consciously knowing the consequences, you literally agree to never cheat when you sign up for steam. And also, where would you draw the line? If he got unbanned I'll guarantee you that thousands of other VAC banned players will demand to be unbanned because "It was a long time ago" or "I didn't know it would be so severe" He is banned and valve wont go back on their policy that they've had since steams inception because some kid cheated and his now good at the game.
2020-06-27 01:00
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Banned_play.. in the first spalt is a list of the players currently banned from valve events. Obviously matchfixers should stay banned so ignore those. There are really not that many and it wouldn't have any major effect, because 99,9% of those banned players are not good enough to participate in majors ANYWAY. It would only affect those who actually are good enough to play in majors, and the only ones I can think of from that list are Jamppi and Sayf.
2020-06-27 01:25
"Justice is blind" Thats bullshit. Just how you should charge a doctor the same amount of time as a homeless person for the same crime. Cheating is bad, bad things are bad, so we need to stop bad things so that no more bad things happen
2020-06-27 01:23
My reply to you was mostly aimed towards "If he got unbanned I'll guarantee you that thousands of other VAC banned players will demand to be unbanned because "It was a long time ago" or "I didn't know it would be so severe" He is banned and valve wont go back on their policy that they've had since steams inception because some kid cheated and his now good at the game." My point was that the problem you were painting, would not actually be a problem, since they are not good enough to play in major events regardless.
2020-06-27 01:27
You know that open qualifiers are part of Major as well right?
2020-06-27 09:36
"Cheating is bad, bad things are bad, so we need to stop bad things so that no more bad things happen" I completely agree. Cheating is bad. Bad things are bad. Doesn't mean you have to have the fucking death sentence for every bad thing. My point with this post was that the punishment is too harsh. I never said cheaters shouldn't get any punishment at all. A 2 year ban, like faceit and esea has would be more appropiate in these kind of cases.
2020-06-27 01:30
Imagine being told that if you cheat you'll be banned for an amount of time and then you can go cheat again. Now imagine if you were told that if you cheat you will forever be banned. Big difference in the decision of 'should I cheat or not'
2020-06-27 01:33
I mean they are told that they will be forever banned from major tournaments. How many do you think gives a fuck about that or even has that on their mind, when they buy $10 cheats to cheat on matchmaking?
2020-06-27 01:44
Well use Jamppi as an example. Show them that this is what could happen to you if you cheat
2020-06-27 06:51
#95
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Finland Orchard
My friend asked to borrow my steam account when we were 14. He got it VAC-banned. He paid me that 14e back and I made a new account. So I should not be able to play in majors because of this? Ridiculous.
2020-06-27 09:30
It is the rule and you agreed to it when you sign up.
2020-06-27 09:36
#100
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Finland Orchard
I had no idea you shouldn't borrow your account. I was just a naive and friendly kid who wanted to help his friend.
2020-06-27 09:39
The owner of the account should be responsible for whatever happened to that account
2020-06-27 09:45
#111
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Finland Orchard
There is no criminal responsibility in Finland before you are 15yo. Do you really think I shouldn't be able to play in Major because of this? :D
2020-06-27 09:49
Major is an event organized by Valve. Do you think they got the right to ban people from participating?
2020-06-27 10:36
#139
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Finland Orchard
There won't be a major player less than 15 years old. If you are 13 and your friend gets your account banned, you shouldn't be banned 5 years later.
2020-06-27 10:42
so he knew he will become pro and he cant play in majors? i heard first time u cant play in majors if u have vac ban when jamppi got banned
2020-06-27 09:06
Read the conditions before you sign up for STEAM
2020-06-28 01:25
it never said u cant play in majors if u have vac so...
2020-06-28 01:30
"VAC stands for Valve Anti-Cheat, an automated system designed to detect cheats installed on users' computers. If a user connects to a VAC-Secured server from a computer with identifiable cheats installed, the VAC system will ban the user from playing that game on VAC-Secured servers in the future." Majors are VAC secured so.....
2020-06-28 01:40
in africa kids are gettin hands cut off for stealing, whining about it 10 years later wont bring hand back.
2020-06-27 01:05
That's a -1/8 analogy right there
2020-06-27 01:22
cheating at 13yo in football is a bad analogy aswell xD anyway you are baiting 0/8
2020-06-27 07:04
Yea and I fucking said it wasn't a good analogy but the most similar one I could come up with?
2020-06-27 11:46
you are baiting or you are very stupid
2020-06-27 12:40
Nice username
2020-06-27 12:50
ty, my name is the perfect explanation for your posts
2020-06-27 12:51
For your comments as well!
2020-06-27 18:00
+1
2020-06-27 01:06
#43
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United States wtcce4
I really fucking despise people who compare it to an actual criminal offenses, its a fucking video game and even if unbanning him "opens pandoras box" and gets other vacced players to bitch about being unbanned, who cares, valve will ensure it only remains bitching. What serious consequences are going to come from him being unbanned and why the fuck does it matter in the long run
2020-06-27 01:16
#46
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Turkey yeeGeT
He is a bad person so idc
2020-06-27 01:23
Evaluate on this please!
2020-06-27 01:46
#228
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Turkey yeeGeT
He is a salty teenager as far as I can tell from what I've seen. And he plays for Ence which is the most annoying team. Plus they have no soul :D
2020-06-28 00:27
lmao no soul xD
2020-06-28 00:36
#262
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Turkey yeeGeT
bruh I watched blast interviews and I couldn't bear more than 5 minutes It's worse than c&b torture.
2020-06-28 04:50
s1mple got caught cheating
2020-06-27 01:47
Yes, when he was already playing at a high level as well..
2020-06-27 02:29
yeah if someone should have a lifetime ban is it him because he got caought even tho I dont think they should have lifetime bans for cheating but anyways
2020-06-27 02:55
it was in cs 1.6
2020-06-27 12:10
#155
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Finland Nettimies
Doesn't matter retard
2020-06-27 12:40
typical fininsh kid aka Astralis fangirl. Have a good day, mr. toxic shit
2020-06-27 12:58
cheating on a tournament and cheating other legit players out of prize money >> cheating on a silver matchmaking game no matter the game
2020-06-28 00:38
s1mple banned for cheating in 1.6 but never had linked cs 1.6 in his ESL profile. Makes Ukranian amount of sense ;))) Evidence says: 1+1=2 s1mple and thus ruski fanbois say: 1+1=3 and jamppi deserve ban!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 pls go do mensa IQ test and learn your place :D
2020-06-27 13:39
he was banned in csgo by esl reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/44..
2020-06-27 15:47
2020-06-28 02:01
on esl wire
2020-06-27 07:04
so? he was caught cheating
2020-06-27 15:47
no, it doesnt work like that, s1mple banned on esl wire secured server
2020-06-28 00:51
what? what do you think I said?
2020-06-28 01:12
ok but this ban is not revelant at the moment, so currently s1mple is not cheater
2020-06-28 09:11
currently no, but he got caught cheating.... litteraly got caught playing at pro level cs and CHEATING
2020-06-28 17:45
SO? are you stupid? it doesnt work like that, he has received penalty and fully accomplished it csgo itself does not have anti cheat, servers does
2020-06-28 17:48
Are you dumb? I still didnt say that he should get a vac ban? are you delusional because you are imagining things
2020-06-28 23:44
SO why are you arguing about jamppis ban, ok simple cheated back then, absolutely zero fucks given, because he is not banned
2020-06-29 07:58
because jamppi cheated before he was pro and s1mple cheated WHEN he was pro if one of them should get a lifetime ban from the game it is s1mple you delusional cuck
2020-06-29 16:34
come to brazil
2020-06-27 02:30
Agreed He learned his lesson that he should use higher quality cheats Unban him!
2020-06-27 02:36
#64
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Spain mokerz
nt (not today)
2020-06-27 03:01
Valve needs to enforce their rules or there’d be no reason to not cheat even at a pro level. If valve shows that cheating is excusable then gg csgo competitive integrity
2020-06-27 03:47
#76
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Australia CLEGGY
He literally listed 2 players caught cheating at a semipro level who get no punishment from valve they clearly dont actually care
2020-06-27 07:25
Because valve is upholding the integrity of their own service. Not a third party service.
2020-06-27 07:36
#83
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Australia CLEGGY
Still ruining csgo's competetive integrity
2020-06-27 09:00
Valve can only ban people from the Majors after all, because those are the events that they are sponsoring... They don't really have a say at what happens in a BLAST Tournament eg.
2020-06-27 18:50
#66
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Germany Enlay
+1 but this wont happen
2020-06-27 03:58
cheaters never play on majors!
2020-06-27 06:54
You care to much.
2020-06-27 07:45
No thanks. 0 sympathy for cheaters.
2020-06-27 08:00
No.
2020-06-27 09:13
No.
2020-06-27 09:44
Imo if he had made a statement and said "SORRY I wasn't aware of what I've done bla bla" instead coming up with lies and saying I sold the account or anything, then I might have been on his side. Anyway, it's kind of unfair what he's been through. On the other hand, Valve should hold a certain line against cheaters in order to remain reliability of cs pro scene.
2020-06-27 10:03
#117
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Denmark Raskoiano
Nope, cheaters are cheaters, and if his story holds up that he gave away his account, well maybe you shouldn't have done that. Make an example out of him so other young players wont do the same. No tolerance for cheaters, regardless of their dogs downloading it or giving their account away.. simple as that. Also he sucks anyways let him be.
2020-06-27 10:03
#133
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Poland dreamShow
no
2020-06-27 10:32
The ideal way for this to be solved, is valve handle each instance on a case by case basis but obviously that's impossible due to the controversy it would cause. So they should simply put a blanket time ban on it. If the vac ban is 10 years old or more, you can compete at majors. This will cover for people like jampi while still stopping actual cheaters competing.
2020-06-27 11:09
Just the fact that 55% of the community says jamppi should be unbanned (together with the pros agreeing with this), shows the quality level of the community and the corruption of the pro scene. Jamppi will only be remembered as a cheater meme like forsaken and word.exe
2020-06-27 11:32
yes but valve stoopid, they dont like to think about factors like age and stuff, they just like to look at facts and statistics to judge stuff
2020-06-27 12:39
ALL cheaters should be lifetime banned NO exceptions.
2020-06-27 13:10
Why should they? A lot of pros cheated in the past on different accounds even s1mple lifetime is way to mutch if you can be max 12 years pro
2020-06-27 13:20
ok jamppi
2020-06-27 13:13
#174
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Finland HARD4ENCE
It's not a lifetime punishment. Pro careers usually cover like 5-8 years. It's not like he will be playing professionaly in his 30s at any rate.
2020-06-27 13:49
what?
2020-06-27 18:02
xD ure dumb af
2020-06-27 18:27
#196
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Finland HARD4ENCE
What will he lose? A major win? I doubt that very much.. You are probably 12 year old kid based on your way to insult people you don't know online...
2020-06-27 18:42
This is a -1/8 bait sir
2020-06-27 21:37
#225
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Finland HARD4ENCE
What I meant by saying this, I maybe phrased it poorly, is that he can still play all the other tournaments with ENCE apart from majors. People make it sound like the "lifetime ban" is the end of the world for him and he'll lose a whole lot of income and career achievements when in reality pro careers are short. Yes, he will miss out a few majors but with Finnish player pool and teams and what has been going on in the scene for past 6 years (teams actually changing important players to play with friends for fun) he most likely wouldn't be having too much success in those anyway. All in all, he'll have to be content with the fact that he has a very small chance, almost non-existent to win the lawsuit.
2020-06-27 22:31
Oh okay, now it makes more sense. I thought you were legit saying that being able to attend majors was useless unless he could win the whole major. I get your point now, I do. But I still think it's a fairly big deal. Majors are the biggest tournaments, probably the by far coolest LAN experience, most prestige, most prizepool etc. I would think that this is a pretty big deal for tier1/tier2 teams. I would certainly take this into consideration before I invited someone to a tier1/tier2 team. They would have to get a sub player (like xSeven for ence) for majors, who they don't prac with as much and they would simply have to be a worse team when playing majors. I was honestly surprised when I saw ence pick him up though , because ence were major finalists, who at some point was a top tier team. For them to just basically (ik they can still qualify, but they are way worse with a substitute player) give up majors, was very surprising to me. Don't think this is the case with most other teams, I think ENCE is unique since they were willing to do this. Overall, I think a player not being able to attend majors is a very big hindrance for him getting picked up by good teams (as I said, I think ENCE picking up Jamppi is unique and I don't think many other teams would be willing to sacrifice majors for that).
2020-06-28 02:57
#191
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Estonia Sn4pzhat
+1
2020-06-27 18:20
It's more about sending a message to people about how adamant Valve is about VAC bans and why you should never cheat. Even if 1 out of a 10000 VAC banned players tries to go pro, he won't be able to. It's not even that he did it when he was young, it's why he even did it?
2020-06-27 18:22
If Valve wants to discourage cheaters, wouldn't it be a better approach to simply ban their IP and HWID from playing CSGO? Games like Overwatch and Valorant has that system, so I don't see why Valve wouldn't, if they care so much about discouraging cheaters. Like, that would be much much more efficient than saying "if you cheat, you cant attend major tournaments" which is a completely irrelevant punishment for 99,999999999999999% of cheaters.
2020-06-27 18:27
Nice try, jammpi
2020-06-27 18:59
Yeah it blows my mind that people can't see the difference between cheating in silver MM when they were literally a kid, or being an adult and cheating in serious pro level matches with money involved, smh. You can't compare these two as equal. #freeJamppi.
2020-06-27 19:07
jampi should jump on the gaben head then he will get unban ez
2020-06-27 20:19
Give that advice to forsaken too or did he already switched to valorant?
2020-06-28 00:40
he died by heart attack 4 months ago
2020-06-28 14:36
Total agree with you he has to be unban. Of course !!!
2020-06-27 20:25
inb4 Jampii vac ban again
2020-06-28 00:33
Agree with you, Valve should unban this kid, he's talented, fast and young, in a couple of years will be a real beast, Xseven did his time tbh
2020-06-28 01:19
Should he unbanned? Yes Will he be unbanned? Unfortunately no :(
2020-06-28 01:48
#258
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Serbia grujaa_02
nah jamppi well deserved ban
2020-06-28 03:38
There isn't
2020-06-28 03:40
#261
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Turkey TheKaiser
I think you should shut up
2020-06-28 04:02
Ban him for life. cheaters should not be allowed to ruin the game.
2020-06-28 05:05
Whoever thinks a 13-year old doesn't deserve a second chance is not a good person.
2020-06-28 17:32
+1
2020-07-24 01:39
No.
2020-06-28 18:50
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2020-06-29 08:23
It says its 304 🙁👌
2020-06-29 08:24
ye the time i write, 5 more comm were faster than me :(
2020-06-29 08:24
Great take on this. Probably a bad idea to post anything with real though or intellect on this site though :/ People here have a borderline autistic view of the world, which you can see from the arguments that people are making. If you don't see the difference in context to other cheating cases (not to say you have to necessarily agree but just to understand it), you're either a child or a very simple minded person. I hate people who see the world in black and white. In this Jamppi case, I have yet to see a compelling argument that the LIFETIME ban is justified for cheating in a casual game as a 14 year old.
2020-06-29 08:46
Just give the kid a chance. It's crazy how some shit you did as a kid affects your whole career.
2020-06-29 08:51
I think Finland government should execute Jamppi for cheating
2020-06-29 09:03
You seem to be a very intelligent creature
2020-06-29 09:52
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