Norway belgium luxembourg switzerland
I'm curious, why are you entitled to citizenship in Ireland?
go to the Netherlands. The average NL citizens also speak decent english so you dont have to hurry to learn the language.
come to ROmania, IT industry is paid very well and girls are very cheap here...imagine you will be a king here with a big salary and lot of sluts.
Idk why you'd want to move but probably England or Germany in regards to career etc. Anywhere in the UK if you don't wanna learn a language, it could take years in some cases.
Sweden, I show u the mosques
just avoid countries like france and eastern countries because the english level is really really bad and makes it hard to learn the language.
Norway, it may be a little colder but everyone speaks english and there are lots of job offers.
Germany or some nordic country hands down.
I think you should stay in USA. Live in Ireland and Scotland didn't like it one bit. The rest of the tier 1 European countries are nice to visit, loads of history and all that but for living.. I don't know. France was shit was there for like 6 months... Honestly it's what you prefer but overall I think that where your home is that where your heart is and that's where you should stay and make a living with what that place can offer.
how about your ol' pal france
Doesn’t jobs in computer science pay more in the US?
If you want to enjoy your time meanwhile you study you should definetly go to Spain.
- beautiful weather all year
- best food in the world
only 1 valid reason to come to EU
is to play EU faceit instead of NA faceit ( bots )
If you're good at what you're doing - just go to Cali.
what do you value the most in a country/city?
for school go to mainland Europe like Germany, France, or Italy. For work Germany most likely
If you are looking for a good job security and working benefits in the IT-Sector, Germany and Netherlands is definitely on the top of the scale.
5-10years ago I would put Sweden on the top no doubt also.
But as the country seems to compete with UK and US which country can shoot themselves in the foot most times in over the last couple of years... yeah I cannot recommend it wholeheartedly anymore.
If you are looking for a bit more focus on day to day life quality and better yearlong weather: Spain would be high up there.
Not as good job security or benefits as with NL or DE, but still good.
No personal experience or insight within the IT-Sector in Italy or French so cannot say anything worthwhile except from a tourist perspective.
If you want to try South Europe , u should consider Portugal.
Is probably the best in terms of speaking English and we have great weather and food .
Salaries are pretty decent in IT and the life cost is ok.
But if u wanna try other i recommend Spain or Italy
Move to Denmark, they will pay you for studying
Honestly just probably ireland. Since you have connectio there and its full of American tech firms for cheap taxes. Im not sure though other than that go to amstersam or something and smoke weed and fuck hookers lmao
Go to Stockholm - Swedish bimbos love guys with an American accent. Even the princess married one.
I suggest somewhere that is easy language to learn to you like sweden or germany or just go to ireland
that depends what u like to do.(on free time)
Netherlands (though Amsterdam is not a good city to live in IMO),
you can't go wrong in those countries.
I study CS myself and I think you have better career options in the states tbf. I am considering moving abroad at some point for some sweet american paycheck. Anyway if you want to move to Germany I would recommend the South West, with SAP and Daimler TSS you have two very decent employers here and you could probably find a job in a company that isn't solely CS related, cause there are plenty.
That's great news future brother! Welcome to the best Union, the best place on earth! Don't listen to people who tell you that you can't move to Switzerland or Norway, as they're not European Union members. Our citizens can still move there, and their citizens can move to our glorious Union! For school, definitely the UK would be a great option. They're leaving our Union, but as an Irish citizen you can still move there to live/study, and you'd be eligible for a School Loan, which you'd have to pay off on really good terms. Specifically, If you earn above certain amount of money, the British government will take only 9% off that! If you're looking for a good place to live, you should consider London as I am sure it provides great opportunities in your field, Paris would also be an option, Frankfurt (Germany) or Amsterdam, Stockholm, Oslo or even Dublin should also be okay. You've got a lot places to choose from! Good luck and we're happy to have you!!!
When you are leaning towards IT anyway. Ireland especially Dublin is a good choice anyway + you have that citizenship.
Lots of big IT businesses have their Headquaters or Main Support located there.
I'd definitely recommend Ireland or the Netherlands.
Ireland speaks English which will be pretty useful for you, + they're a pretty great country afaik.
The Netherlands definitely sounds biased, but like, we bring forth some of the greatest electronical companies and geniuses. We have ASML and Philips, both multinationals. Around Eindhoven, big city in southern Netherlands, we have the TU, which is the Technical University. HUGE ASS CAMPUS with all sorts of next-generation companies and universities, all working together in the name of science. Nickname for Eindhoven is Brainport, and is really well-known throughout Europe and the world. Look into it if yo u want to!
dont you want to wait for a bit to participate in the coming race wars? dont think we will get that here in EU.
Come to UK, as Irish citizen you can come to UK to study (some of the best, but also very expensive places to study). We are very welcoming to Americans and you guys usually tend to really like the culture outside of cities. If you're more into nightlife then just travel into London. If you think accents are difficult just go to South East, most clear accent out of all of them, very friendly, nice weather.
Our houses are smaller than yours by quite a lot tho and we also arent as friendly as Americans so if those are two things that you're concerned about then dont come.
Bro I live in Germany and I can tell you that Germany, especially in the west is nice to live, however also Sweden would be a nice alternative :)
I wouldn't recommend germany.. I live here for 18 years and I can tell u it getting worse and worse. Especially since the stuff with refugees happen. Everyone is less open minded and you don't see kids playing outside until it's getting dark anymore.
I spend alot of time in Poland last year and it's a huge different how people are to each other. Germany is lit turkey 2.0 rn.
I would recommend you norway, sweden, denmark or netherland. if you need more sun, you can also go to spain (only if you have a well payed job offer from a american company or something like this)
I think america is a great place to live. bc you have alot of options. you are not busted by taxes like in germany.. who throw this for other countries or people away than us.
the only good thing in germany is. that you are safe here. nobody needs to live on the street bc gouvernement will pay.. but it's also reason why turkish families comming here with 10 children and not working. they getting money bc "it's human rights" blabla.
go to Germany
The USA of Europe
Funny how everyone is like yes yes come to europe but when some engineer from another country says he wants to come to europe everyone is like stay in your own country... smh
id suggest you choose a few places to go on holiday first if you havent. any of the countries in northern europe are decent
Scandinavia/Finland/Iceland are all in the top 10 best countries in the world to live in. Switzerland and the Netherlands are also good choices but english in Switzerland is lower than the other countries mentioned.
Sure you can go to some tier 1 countries like Switzerland etc, but why? They don't need you, they are already great countries. Ukraine on the other hand could use some help.
If i was you....i would probably aim for Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands and of course Denmark. :)
if u would move i suggest come to switzerland. i know its not a eu country but its by far one of the best countries in europe. the schoolsystem is great and u dont even have to learn a new language. living here is kinda expensive but u can get scholarship easily. one more thing is as a student in Computer Science and Mathematics u can achiev great things here.
There is only ONE right answer and that is worlds happiest country, FINLAND.
But seriously, what ever country u decide to go or move, will be a benefit for rest of your life. Taking a time in a different counyry isnt ever a bad choise. I choose to do that by traveling all around, which is not the same but best option right now. Thinking about to move to Singapore in coming years.
U get to experience differemt cultures etc. Gotta say im bit jelly for u, but come here, here u can witness the summer time when the sun never set, its magical.
Belgium have excellent schools. Humble brag.
sweden, denmark, germany or the netherlands
don't go to Poland unless u will be able to drink with collage students btw
As French, If I was in your position, I would have chosen either Denmark or Sweden because I like their way of thinking + they speak english.
It depends of the kind of weither conditions you like. But It would be very interesting for an American to leave there because it is a way different way of thinking and as human you would learn a lot I suppose. I have studied in Sweden and it is already quite different from France in terms of society.
About your job, no problem almost anywhere in EU.
But if you come in France skip Paris. It is the worst place to live in France imho.
Definitely dont go to Slovakia. Nature here is beautiful, but people and salaries are horrible
Nordics, if you don't mind the winter
Can't go wrong with Germany or the Netherlands
Ireland is quite good, also you wouldn't have to learn a new language.
I would say: Turkey
Why: Litle bit Europe, little bit Middle East, Istanbul, locals love foreigners.
spain, turkey, netherlands
Come to Czech Republic, very friendly place unless u arent white
First if you can take the citizenship, then take it. No matter what.
Second, you should visit Europe as a tourist when you get the chance, focus on countries you consider the most for your career.
Third, our way of life is kinda different from the US one, so is our continent. It is impossible to make one explanation for the whole EU as countries, culture, landscape, laws can be quite different from one to another.
Fourth, Ireland is obviously the simplest to consider for you, due to language barrier. Perhaps Scottland will come back in few years, who knows.
Then German speaking countries are good since it is relatively close to english.
As english is not my native language, my expertise is quite limited on this.
But in every latin countries (France, Spain, Italy, Portugal) you have to speak the language since we are bad in english and don't use it in professional environment.
For Scandinavian countries I can't say.
Fifth, opportunity : speaking of paygrid, today the best would be Ireland and Luxembourg, then Germany, Sweden and Danemark. Of course it depend of your field of work ultimately as Luxembourg is more specialized on law and financial jobs than in scientific ones.
You can also consider Norway and Switzerland. Even if not in EU, they are part of the Schengen zone, meaning EU citizen are free to go there like it was an EU country. From a career perspective it is almost the same.
Sixth, be sure what country fit you the most, because learning a language will limit your possibility to change, even if it is possible, it is hard if you didn't started when you were young : your brain didn't took the habit to do so. And so, learning multiple one would take a very long time.
Note that on the job market you will be in competition with locals, for which language will not be an issue at all and even if they are worst than you in english, they learned it since school. For exemple, I'm bad in english, yet I'm ready to bet my english is better than you speaking a non english language.
This being said, in term of generalization, the paygrid here is less important than in the US, because part of the salary goes into remote salary through our socialized system : pension, healthcare, paid vacation, etc..
So the best way to compare is to calculate what is left once you paid all your bills.
On that matter if you consider California as too socialist for your taste, then you will have a problem in EU probably.
There are forums/facebook group of expatriated americans for each EU countries, you should contact them for more details as they will be the best to give your experiences on what change that implied for an US native.
Finally, I believe that for you, the best way to start would be ireland, because of the language barrier. Then you would be "on site" already, free to spend your week-ends visiting other countries to see if another one fits you better.
I've just read I am current citizen of usa
come over to eu 10/10 wont regret, Germany would be a good country to start, if you established in europe you can move on then, now 4 real even if my english is kinda meh I hope you got my point
i would recommend switzerland, but nowadays it's hard to get a "permee" there
Which part of Ireland are you considering? I say this cause Ireland is a good country as well
How's your Arabic?
Ireland, Switzerland, Denmark, UK.
In Europe Norway is da best. but it is not EU so it is not as easy to move there. Finland would be my choice if I were you. Education is awesome there, probably the best in EU or even the world.
For weed Netherlands ofcourse
if u studied in NA u'll get probably get fcked up here.
you will see fast how low ur education will be since ur teacher's get only 1 year contracts and get fired, when they give too many B's. your math studies is literally worth shit here. sorry bro
stay in na, only shit opponent in online games
Turkey is the bestest choice my friend, trust me
Although I shit talk the UK, I think it could be a great option. I'm sure they have plenty of jobs and they're English speaking too.
Edit: I forgot about Brexit, so... Yea nvm.
I think some great countries are Switzerland, Ireland, Norway, and Germany. Idk though, I've only ever visited Germany but for a day only.
Move to Soviet Union. Our Soviet Union. KEKW.
to be hones anywhere is fine, sugest personaly prefer nordic countries or baltics, but like depends on how mild winters do you want. The only massive difference is weather and like what the avg building looks like. ps RIGA is shit don't even visit. better go to vilnus if ur in baltics at somepoint when traveling around EU for some reason cause u probably will :D
Come to Spain, there's a lot of job opportunities for IT workers and you said you know a bit of Spanish
US has same taxes as most of Europe, wtf are you talking about
Move to East or South East Asia.
Congrats, man, wish you all the luck in your new move
Denmark would be a good choice.
On top all the other great things about our country as an EU citizen you won't have to pay to study and in fact you will get money for studying.
To a BR The US is already too god, but for me EU is better.
In Computer Science you are better off in the USA tbh. In Europe coding is still a blue collar job, so people tend to earn less and their job is perceived as less valuable. However, if you work for Google in Dublin or London, this could be an option, especially if you are keen to have a longer vacation than in the US (typically at least 50% more holidays per year in Europe, in some countries even 2x more). Also if you would like to explore Europe and travel around using the time when you are young and free, it would make sense to move to Europe.
Best economy, safest job market: Germany (however, you need to learn German or you will not make far)
Best climate and people-wise: Spain (however, high unemployment, low wages, also need to learn Spanish as 70% of the people speak very bad English)
In your case, I would only seriously consider Ireland (Dublin) and the UK (London) and then go from there if you like the European atmosphere.
If you don't speak the local language yet, then I would say Germany or Netherlands is a good option
Sweden, Denmark and Norway are also a good option
But it might be really tough in countries like France, Italy, Spain if you don't speak the local language when you arrive
stay na please, we need no 10 iq guys
i mean look from a Irishman it's a lot different over here then the US that's for sure but it has this old charm about the place the green fields even the rain what a place it gets even better if you start following the national sports Hurling and Gaelic Football what incredible sports they are
imo Scandinavia (especially Sweden & Norway) is the best choice
I mean i know that in Finland you could live pretty easily people can talk english but ofc not everyone you will have social who will help you alot (Kela) if needed to go to hospital you get first treatment then asked for payment and it isnt even that high because of Kela salary is pretty good the minus in living in Finland when you try to learn the language its really hard one of the hardest languages in the world.
Nordic countries and Germany offers high level economy so it's easier for you to have a job and potentially higher wages. On the other hand I find the general quality of life higher in countries like Italy or France (climate, landscape, gastronomy, atmosphere, behaviours, etc ...). So if you enjoy a glass of wine or two at the corner of the street from time to time you better go there. if you're purely coming to grind cash you should favour Nordic/germany
scandinavian country in general, and switzerland (you can pretty much talk english everywhere and everyone will understand) + there are a lot of school for sciense and maths, and healthcare is better (although it's expensive)
PS: i know switzerland, isn't EU nor some of the scandinavian i mentioned before, but it's still a good move imo
The rest is not worth it.
End of the day it all depends on what you’re looking for.
Work is a small part of your life.
I do web/mobile and I’ve lived and worked in Switzerland and UK. Moved to Barcelona a year ago and couldn’t have made a better choice. Will never move out of South Europe even though I had 2/3 x bigger salaries in North/Central Europe.
Why Europe, though? The salaries for software engineers are much higher in the United States, especially in the Sillicon Valley area. Obviously, if moving to Europe is a goal in itself, then software engineer salary will provide you with a comfortable life.
You should look into the available investment avenues in each EEA country, as you will be making way more than you will need to get by. For example, the UK you can defer taxation by sacrificing a portion of your salary (up to £40k/year) - it will only be taxed (at your marginal rate, which we can assume to be 20%, with the ability to withdraw a lump sum of 25% tax free, which gives a net tax rrate of just 15%) once you retire. The compound interest over the years means that you would need to earn £100k/year to compete with £60k/year with a salary sacrifice scheme (give or take, the numbers are not exact, just to give you a picture).
My net tax burden (and that includes a public medical insurance that covers everything) in Scotland, where I live since September last year, is barely 5%. Neat, right?
Since you are from "California" and you study CS, wouldn't it make more sense to seek employment in silicon valley?