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Hi! I'm a current citizen and resident of the USA. I've recently learned that I am entitled to citizenship in Ireland, and by extension, the European Union. This is exciting news to me as a current student of Computer Science and Mathematics; it opens a lot of doors for future employment.
My question here is: If I was to move to the EU, where should I consider? I'd be comfortable learning a new language if necessary. I can provide further info in the replies.
Norway belgium luxembourg switzerland
Youre right so belgium or luxembourg
but u cant if u have ireland passport lmao, the only country in eu that isnt in schengen deal. or its actually harder when example for france citizen
i had to fucking check cuz so irrelevant country, i wont blame u
You're confusing two different things. Freedom of Movement pertains EEA, lack of border checks pertains to Schengen. As an EU citizen he would be able to work in any EEA country (and the UK if he were to move before the end of this year; although I would not be surprised if the UK retained a similar scheme [if it is not already in place from the days prior to the UK's joining the EU]).
ok i thought schengen was the deal that u can move freely
Romanians have the right to move to the UK (still), and neither of the two countries is in Schengen. Take a look:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movemen..
There's even a thorough summary of the current status:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movemen..
Have fun moving to Luxembourg and having to learn 5 languages to live a normal life.
True but worth it :D
What?? You tryna say Belgium>Netherlands education? Haha okay nt. Why you tryna tell him to go to the shit and poor version of our country.
Cry
poor
I'm curious, why are you entitled to citizenship in Ireland?
My grandmother was born and raised in Ireland, which makes me entitled to Irish citizenship. Here's some more info if you're interested: citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country..
Ye I have many family members who had that right, despite being born in another country, since their grandparents had Portuguese nationality, they also had the right to get it
I've definitely been looking into the Netherlands. It looks like a beautiful country with lots of opportunities, and yes, lots of English speakers is a plus!
you wanna tell me that if he moves to Germany he will become a Transformer?
and Philipp Amthor is a Industry critique and isnt corrupt lmao
what do you expect from a rightwinger
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yes, optimus prime
xaxaxaxa nice one
Amsterdam is already an international city you dont even have to learn dutch there
I've been to many cities in Europe and Amsterdam is my favourite one, I'll tell you that
If you are having a hard time speaking Dutch here, almost every school has english education nowadays. A lot of schools and universities are international oriented.
I am a current resident yet to become US Citizen born in Bulgaria. If you do not mind gloomy weather, I would highly recommend Netherlands. High level of education, Easy commute, on the of the best transportation system I have seen and I could say that I have been to a lot of countries in the Western World. Despite the rumors that NL people are cold, I did not experience that. There is plenty of night life. If you are looking to get into the finance world, I would check Switzerland or Luxembourg. Good luck.
come to ROmania, IT industry is paid very well and girls are very cheap here...imagine you will be a king here with a big salary and lot of sluts.
name check or no check????
I'm not too interested in cheap girls haha
Anyway, IT being paid well relative to cost of living is a nice thing that I'm sure won't be so easy to find in other places (especially for young professionals).
yeah....cost of living is very ok here, and IT workers are excluded from a lot of taxes. Come here i will recommend you were i work ;). Why not interested in cheap girls? Romanian girls are very sexy and beautiful and if you have money you can litterally f0ck 90% girls from every town.
you must be very proud of the women of your country.
no offense but are you 15 years old ? looks like your entire universe is based on fucking girls
no offense but you re pretty much braindead.....i just told that i m working in IT industry how can i be 15 years old? And ofc i like girls, should i like only online games like all korean anime fan boys?? I'm a man not a tard "{
you rekt them bro
looooooool
lol..romania is very nice, if you know where to go + we have very nice weather not like in denmark where is very cold and no sun, here 270 days per year are very sunny and hot weather. Don t forget the sluts, you go in club and 100% you will find a girl to take home to have sex
So Romania also has lack of men like Russia?
Men moving away from country or die from vodka ((
You have to be 12 or 14... all you talk about is literally fking girls... and cold in denmark??... dno im fine with 26-30c here... sure we got a few months where its "cold" but that is why we got cloth and jackets for right? tadaaaa not cold anymore... and its not like its 5c more like 10-15c those "cold" months...
Anyway for an american romania is prob the worst possible place in EU... they dont speak english, their food sux, the quality in general is awful so yeah..
haahaha denmark he said few cold mounths hahaha,...you dont even see the sun bro, stop being delusional, Romanian food is one of the best from all europe, even at football we are much better than denmark and all nordic countries without sun. And everybody is speaking english here, we have the best climate from all europe probabily but you re just a gay kid probabily because u dont like fking girls. no reply bro, go play some online games and i go to f0ck some girls
nt kiddo.... so delusional
Denmark is cold and dark compared to central europe. It's a flat country and the wind you have there is insane. I remember it being 12°C and needing gloves while biking, cause the wind made it feel like 4°C. It's dark most of the day in the winter and your summer is short.
Biggest issue with Denmark is imo not the weather, but the people and language. Language is not too hard to understand when written, but spoken danish is a clusterfuck. I speak 5 languages and understand 30-50% written danish. I tried to read danish words from a dictionary (with phonetics) to a danish person and he legit didn't even understand one word.
People are also not very welcoming. Danish flags everywhere make foreigners feel weird and as soon as danes realize that you are planning to stay in the country they get very very cold and they look kinda disappointing at you. Honest WTF moment for me. I travelled whole western Europe (except norway) and nowhere else have I felt less welcome than in denmark. Met some really really nice people/danes in aero. Outside Aero, the only nice people I met where immigrants and homeless people.
Funny thing is that they react totally different to women. My gf lives in Denmark for 10 years and I have never seen a more thirsty species than danes. The amount of people who travel to asia for easy and cheap pussy is also only comparable to Germany. Actually insane.
Then you have other things like loans. As an immigrant you get WAY worse condition than danes. Taxes on cars are also insane.
Denmark is a nice country, if you don't mind windy weather and not having friends. If you get a decent job, it's easy af money. Housing is not that expensive compared to your income (way worse in some parts of Germany for example.) You should be able to buy an apartement without too much trouble. Groceries are also fine. Eating and especially drinking outside can be expensive, but that's ok. You don't do that every day.
I don't mind the weather too much. I'd move to Denmark (bye social contacts) if my gf had a decent job. Her job is garbage tho and she hates the people there. Doesn't help that the industry I work in is hard to get into in dk and pretty small. So, I would have to take a crap job as well.
Maybe the problem is you? if ppl cant understand what u say.. my gf who doesnt speak danish at all can pronounce everything good enough to be understandable..
And what exactly did u think? banks giving loans to immigrants the same way they do to DANES???? dont u see the big problem right there?...
And ofc it feels like 4c when you biking at 12c... literally gonna do that anywhere unless its 30c+ and the wind is literally not moving at all but thats a problem too? who the fk wanna feel like sitting in a rain forest sweating their ass off...
But please dont try make ur personal opinion sound like facts or anything bcus at the end of the day this scary dark cold windy denmark with flags everywhere and evil banks is still the most visited country in scandinavia... by far
And i guess its denmarks fault that ur gf has a shit job? and what exactly is a shit job? bcus i know a few "shit" jobs where u just sit at a phone helping ppl that any 18+ uneducated person can handle getting 2500 euro..
Why are you so butthurt? I shared my experience, that's all. If a Dane and a non dane, who lives there for 10+ years with the same income and savings/job ask for a loan, they should get the same conditions.
Weather doesn't feel the same everywhere. Denmark is flat and has strong nordic winds. I biked 5k km. across Europe and I know what I am talking about.
Never said that it's denmark's fault that she has a shitty job. She just has a shitty job and that's it. Nothing to add or detract from that.
Denmark is a nice country, but my gf and I have had many bad experiences with danish people and racism over there. I'd recommend everyone to visit. I would tell everyone to think twice about moving there. That's all.
Funny thing is, that even online I am making bad experiences with danes thanks to people like you. Maybe try to be less butthurt and tell your friends as well.
Butthurt about what?, and no there shudnt be the same conditions bcus there is more to it than just living in a country and have an income.
Racism as in what?, not getting a loan?... honestly i dont even know why you mention this bcus nobody knows what happened that made u have these experiences...
And since ur not living here according to urself this is exactly one big reason ur not getting any loans, like do you even have a citizenship etc etc etc...
Yes denmark is flat and? you make it sound like its a hurricane over here and your about to fly away.
Im sorry but you seem to whine too much about nothing rly and that denmark is out to get you, bcus it clearly had nothing to do with you nor ur gf right?... like even now ur having bad experiences with danes online too... just bcus i find what u write nonsense?..
Like all you got is some small winds here and there, bank who doesnt wanna give you a loan for obvious reasons, cold and dark right bcus im having my flashlight on me 24/7 to see where the hell i am... literally been sitting here with shorts for a month now... and will prob continue the next 3 months with that...
And yes its denmarks fault you not getting any friends... what a surprice that danes dont just go be friends with someone who cant speak danish... and since u mentioned 10+ years i dont even know if you lived that long here or if it was just a weird example... but if you lived that long then ur doing a fking horrible job and no wonder ur not getting any friends, because u clearly dont care.
One last thing... bad experiences happens in every country and for everyone.
Still butthurt. I am not going to write an essay about my experiences there. You can google yourself and find essays about how it is as a foreigner in dk.
About the loans. 5th result in google:
"Note — If you’re a foreigner, you’ll likely need to put more. In some cases, banks won’t loan you money even if you put 20% or even 25%, especially for “riskier” cases as a project purchase."
medium.com/@marioscian/buying-an-apartment-in-denmark-as-a-foreigner-all-you-need-to-know-b66a9876a13
Regarding the loans it actually makes sense to SOME extend. - but not to the extend dk is practicing it - The guy actually talks about it as well. But danes are putting it on the next level once again for foreigners compared to most of EU (compared to all countries, where I lived at least)
You also have a lot of discriminating laws. Remember the 64 yr old american lady, who lived in cph for 40+ years, was an ambassador and deported? The laws you have for foreigners (especially non-EU) who are married to danish and get a divorce are also fucking horrific. Getting a danish citizenship is not easy and you basically get thrown out of the country. No matter if you have nothing and no ties in your own country. Actually happened to a friend of ours. But again, not gonna write an essay.
You will never know how it is to be a foreigner in dk. Racism exists in dk. If you want to believe it or not. It exists everywhere, but it's a bit bigger issue in dk than other countries. People in Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Netherlands, Malta, south/west Germany are WAY more open to foreigners than dk. Those are the countries I lived in and I can talk about.
To quote a paper that I read on it back on those years (2009-2011ish) "The subtle manifestation of cultural racism in Denmark, coupled with inadequate anti-racist opposition or legislation, have rendered it particularly damaging, and 'legitimated' a range of racist policies and practices"
I also said many good things about dk. But you like to be butthurt. So keep at it. I wish you a great life.
Since I am too retarded to edit. Seems like I am not the only one who had issues with danish people. Most of them mirror my experience. Especially the personalities they describe. Was 3rd google result btw. jonworth.eu/denmark-is-where-i-live-but-..
well i think you are right brother even i can feel that trash attitude of these danish people from the guy you are arguing with even on online
Thanks brother. I want to add that Denmark is a really good country. Really fucking nice.
Shitty jobs get paid a shitton of money already. (Danish guy said it himself) Gf was setting up breakfast and cleaning up after breakfast in a hotel and received 2.5 - 3k+€ depending on the shift.
All I want to say is that you will certainly experience racism there as a foreigner. It will take a lot of time and patience to feel "at home."
I myself never managed to get warm with them. No matter how nice I was.
Another example is switzerland. Have some friends there earning a shitton of money and they all say is that people there are racist af. Actually sounds way worse than dk.
yeah it's sad that all those countries that has a lot of money to offer has many more these type of people but sadly we can't do anything
Ofc. danes are not welcoming when we see an albanian sorry. But when many of the albainians we see are here to steal/do illegal work then ofc. we are not welcoming?
What do you actually mean by "food sucks"? The Western World is known for eating overly-processed foods, whereas in Romania you can still find natural food, you can even buy it from local farmers at very affordable prices (lower than supermarket prices).
And if we talk about cuisine in general, Romanian cuisine is much more diverse than any Nordic cuisine due to the many influences that it has (especially Turkish influences, Turkish cuisine itself being a lot more sophisticated and imaginative than Nordic cuisine). Check out Mark Wiens videos filmed in Romania on youtube.
"Quality sucks": have you ever owned something made in Romania that's of bad quality? I mean sure, we're not renowned for "out of this world quality" like Germany, but almost everything that's made in Romania is of decent quality. Look at Dacia cars, cab drivers in Romania are exceeding 500K Km with these cars and they're still working (some even reached 1 Mil. Km).
"People don't speak English": I can totally agree that not as many people speak English as in Northern/Germanic countries, but you can definitely find more English speakers in Romania than in France, Italy, Spain and a few others. Most young people speak English at a reasonable level.
P.S. Not to say that Romania is the best country on Earth, we're still plagued by corruption which in my opinion is the root to all of our country's problems, but it's definitely much better than what most of you guys think.
Was in romania for a wedding and the wedding food was literally dry and dead... literally uneatable, but the romanians sure ate it as if it was some michelin food they got served... anyway we were prob at 5 dif restaurants and i swear they just cant cook in bukarest... the food is dry and boring, KFC was the only eatable food literally.
And for such a sophisticated and imaginative country as romania when it comes to food im surpriced u dont even have a michelin restaurant at all do u?.. like here we got over 26...
Yes the quality sucks, literally some buildings in bukarest looked like they were bombed, and the church we were in looked like half of it had been bombed recently, and lets not talk about average person drive or taxi drivers, almost like sitting next to a rally driver.
Cud go on with a bunch of other stuff but no need for that.
At the end of the day food is pretty subjective and the food that you grew up with is more likely to please you. Of course Denmark has more Michelin restaurants since the country is much richer. By this standard it would mean that Denmark has a better cuisine than all of the countries that have fewer Michelin rated restaurants, and that's simply not true.
We should not mistake the "New Nordic Cuisine", or fine dining for that matter, with what Nordics eat on a daily basis.
With regards to the buildings I agree, most of them look like shit, but even here I would argue something that I noticed on my trips to Germany. In Germany for example buildings look neat on the outside, but there's a high chance they look shit on the inside. I am not exaggerating by saying that some 3 star hotels from Germany would probably be ranked as 2 star hotels in Romania or even worse. In Romania it can often be the other way around. For example I live in a communist block build in '83 that 's not very pretty on the outside (although it was renovated and thermally rehabilitated a few years ago) but almost every single owner has a modern apartment (apartments that we usually own, not rent, since we have the highest home ownership rate in the world, somewhere around 96% of all Romanians own their houses).
In any case, it was cool exchanging points of view with you and I hope that next time Romania will leave a better impression on you. :) Cheers.
Yes when it comes to taste i agree or look... but dry food is dry and you cant get around it no matter what... the shrimps was tasteless and even a dog wudnt eat it... and for the salad etc well it literally was if it had been overcooked, frozen down and heated up in a microwave....
I dont care if they find that good food, but that isnt good food no matter what they think.
Might do :D and ofc i cant tell if they cheaped out on the wedding food and got some cheap company to do it but still... shudnt be possible that wedding food is in that state.
Anyway brasov does look better than bukarest from a tourist perspective... but the hotel we stayed at was pretty insane, the rooms were def one of the best ones i been at... like it was only a 3 star hotel but it felt like 5...
Well... Atleast Romania is not gay / beta /muslims and it will still be here on 2050 xD
Idk why you'd want to move but probably England or Germany in regards to career etc. Anywhere in the UK if you don't wanna learn a language, it could take years in some cases.
Thanks! I'm just exploring options right now, I definitely haven't made any decisions yet.
uh oh i hate it
UK just dont wanna benefit that much money into EU and surely, they wanna control over who could get to the UK but the fact is it comes to immigrants, not for europeans at all, they cant even afford due to unemployment could increase really huge mostly because of that and it would downgrade their economy really fast(imagine brits doing shitty jobs do you?)
Dude you are 12 years old just go on cs:go if you cant understand simple sentences and dont discuss about things that you dont know, Polish immigrants are good and safe, i meant the immigrants outside of Europe that UK wouldnt refuse as they were in EU. I Should check 08 in your nickname earlier
Why don't you read this clown: bbc.com/news/uk-49973387#:~:text=During%..
I'll even write the important paragraph when it comes to EU citizens moving to UK:
"Anyone arriving after the end of transition will have to meet the requirements set out by a future immigration system in order to stay in the country.
The government has not set out how such a system will work."
But but EEC, and you think 08 is my birth year as well, what a dummy.
Yeah we have a pretty close relationship with movement of people and goods because of Good Friday agreement
no we hate each other all of the time bro.
we already recked france too many times to count
we recked germany twice already
netherlands have always been our bitch
spains armada got fucked and they never recovered, plus we stole Gibraltar
belgium was our bitch who sucked our dick for protection
denmark are cool
sweden are cool
norway is extra cool
finland is irrelevant
portugal is our best friends for a while
malta wanted to be part of UK but we told them fuck off
Italy gets bitch slapped by us all the time
does that cover most of them?>
In the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars of 1793–1815, France reduced the Netherlands to a satellite and finally annexed the country in 1810. In 1797 the Dutch fleet was defeated by the British in the Battle of Camperdown. France considered both the extant Dutch fleet and the large Dutch shipbuilding capacity very important assets, but after the Battle of Trafalgar gave up its attempt to match the British fleet, despite a strong Dutch lobby to this effect. After the incorporation of the Netherlands in the French Empire in 1810, Britain finished seizing all the Dutch colonies. With the signing of the Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1814, Britain returned all those colonies to the new Kingdom of the Netherlands, with the exception of the Cape, Ceylon, and part of Dutch Guyana.
so you tried to help the baguettes against us and wanted to reck us, then you get rekt, then we steal all ur shit, then ur like sorry mr britain our bad plsplspls give us our shit back so we give u some but to assert our dominance we keep some as well. UNLUCKY BEEETCH
unlucky mens))
sucks2suck
true, shame u were never able to defend ur colonies. new Amsterdam and South Africa couldve been pretty good for u guys
hahah u will have to talk to our overlords the united states about that one. the student has become the master sadly :(
Gibraltar español!
Sweden, I show u the mosques
just avoid countries like france and eastern countries because the english level is really really bad and makes it hard to learn the language.
true
Well to be fair, Spain and Portugal have pretty poor levels of english (maybe worse than France?), but I agree the level in France is far below other EU countries. I've been to Spain and people spoke more french than english in most cases. Maybe the situation is different in Portual though.
Speaking English is way more common than speaking French, but yes not good English level here
Honestly i think if you are aiming for computer science, you better stay in the US. If you want to work in Europe i would recommend : UK,Ireland, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden (Learn norwegian and you will be able to understand Danes and swedes), Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg. You can also consider Malta which is getting better and better, salaries are still on the low side though.
Don't go to Romania, Latvia, Poland,Slovakia,Czech Rep etc, their salaries and employment benefits sucks ass.
Myself i've worked in Slovakia, UK, Malta, Poland. I enjoyed all countries living wise, but just the working environment is so different compared to which country you choose.
If i was you, and i had a dream of the EU, i would choose germany in your field.
GL
Thank you for the well put together comment! Staying in the US is still what I'd prefer to do currently. I'm just exploring new options, and I'm glad to hear that most of Western Europe could be a good fit for me. If you don't mind explaining a little further, why would you consider the US better for computer science?
By experience internships within IT in Denmark are pretty decent as well, some solid companies here that treats you nice and actually cares about you
if you want nice weather: portugal, spain, france south coast, italy
if you don't care about the weather: germany, denmark, netherlands, norway
If you don't care about money but care about weather*
I hate hot weather in Summer tbh
exactly. i don't know what these northern europeans find attractive about hot weather
I think northern Spain's weather is fine tho
I think you should stay in USA. Live in Ireland and Scotland didn't like it one bit. The rest of the tier 1 European countries are nice to visit, loads of history and all that but for living.. I don't know. France was shit was there for like 6 months... Honestly it's what you prefer but overall I think that where your home is that where your heart is and that's where you should stay and make a living with what that place can offer.
I was in Paris 2012 already and when i turned the wrong corner i saw homeless people lying all over the street with graffiti and garbage everywhere. Is it even worse now?
Yeah you're right. The south of france is even worse.
Hey buddy, France is a big country, with countless beautiful cities :) Just because you dislike Paris, doesn't mean there are not many different options. In the south weather is beautiful, as well much history and ruins etc. In the North you have a colder climate, but the culture is more similar to the rest of northern Europe.
Btw, you didn't find anything positive about Paris? I went there two years ago, and had a great time. Yeah i saw homeless people, i saw arabs, but that's pretty darn common om every major city. Maybe not in perfect Ukraine.
As I said, everything positive we saw in Paris was the result of something done century or more ago. Everything what happened to Paris after that only made it worse. It is not that romantic city which is constantly showed in movies. Even its center.
And, yes, in Kyiv we don't have half naked arabs or any other people misbehaving in the very center of the city at the same scale as in Paris.
Nah bro the beggars have housing and even have better phones than i can afford. It’s all part of organized crime. These people are gypsies.
i'm also a cs stundent and i search a lot about that topic, not that much about europe tho.
from what i found out the Netherlands is the best choice.
They have a lot of job opportunities in the area and their population, in general, are kinda more "open" to foreigners. Plus the fact that the average dutch speaks perfect english
For those who cannot apply for any EU citizenship, heres a list of Dutch companies who can be your sponsor:
ind.nl/en/Documents/Public_Register_Regu..
Doesn’t jobs in computer science pay more in the US?
There is alot of programmers in denmark who gets around 12k dollars... no idea how much it is in the US but i wudnt say 12k is bad at all..
My dad who had been programming for 40 years made like 15k... sometimes even more for just 1 weeks work bcus he got hired by some company to solve something, so yeah there is alot of money to be made here.
Well if you earn over 2,000 dollars/year you need to give 33% in taxes. And an average house costs almost 400,000 dollars so i’d rather move to the US to program instead of programming here tbh.
Lol wtf, so I preffer to work in Poland in IT. In my city you can buy / build new 200 square meters house for 125k easly. After 2/3 years you earn 3k€ as regular / pm or more if you are good. If you want more monry, you just hire in German or US company remotly which is no problem at all.
EDIT: and you will have 19% tax if you will hire urself b2b
Yeah the market is really fucked right noe. An apartment that costed 500,000 SEK in the 90’s now costs 4,000,000 SEK so it’s a massive problem for us who wants to move away from our parents. And taxes are way to high considering what you get from it.
I was planning to move to stockholm, but with my experience in programming I would get 35k sek and for an apartment I have to pay 10-12k sek. So with this costs of living it's more profitable for me to live in Poland atm, I was so disappointed tbh, cuz I wanted to live abroad for some time again :p
Taxes are only gonna get bigger in the future it seems so i’d recommend staying away for now
It’s true. If i earn more than 20,008 SEK ~($2,158) this year then i have to pay 33% of these money in taxes at the end of the year. You don’t need to believe me but it’s true. If you earn 509,300 SEK ($54,948) in one year then you pay 50% in taxes.
Well it depends on the county and the municipality you live in but it’s rarely below 30%. I guess we’re doing okay but if you want somewhere to live you gotta go into debt for the rest of your life or live with mom and dad until your 40’s.
It pays a lot, but the good jobs are in cities where everything is super expensive. Not worth it.
If you want to enjoy your time meanwhile you study you should definetly go to Spain.
- beautiful weather all year
- beach
- best food in the world
My only time visiting Europe I spent almost the whole time in Spain. It was a school sponsored trip and I stayed for two weeks, visiting Barcelona, Valencia, Granada, Seville, and Madrid (I know there were others, but it's been a while). Paella from a local restaurant in Valencia is something I'll never forget. Also, I visited a local bakery and the owner told me about how the shop had been passed down for generations and showed me the ovens in the back (at least this is what I gleamed from what he said, my Spanish isn't that great). That bread was better than any bread I've had before or since. It's an amazing country and I'd love to go back some day.
We are pretty friendly and we love to live here because of all this beauty this country has.
We have good weather and clean air that every country would like to have, we have beach, palms, good and health food, fresh fruits, fresh fish, cheap food that in other countries you couldnt buy like olive oil, tunna and stuff like that. I dont know how to describe how this country is beautiful but if you visited us then u know good what i mean.
I know Norway, Netherlands and stuff like that are good countries if you want to study but Spain isnt much behind and sincerely, who tf would preffer the best education and normal life instead of fun life, good life and decent education?
yeah I'll definitely move to Southern Spain (Malaga area most likely) as soon as I get a remote job. I'd be able to enjoy this beautiful country and I wouldn't have to worry about getting a job! The only problem is the language, as Spanidars don't really speak english, but I'll definitely try to learn Spanish!
I think im special one, i speak 6 or 7 languages and English is problably my strongest.
If you want to communicate you should definetly learn Spanish but not that important.
Spanish is pretty easy to learn tbh. I studied it for 2 months (just on my own. No teacher or stuff like that) and can speak decent. Not good enough for work, but good enough to have a conversation about any topic. My grammar is shit and I have to tell every spaniard to talk slowly. They talk so fucking fast. Latin americans (Mexico, colombia) talk much slower and "cleaner".
viva españita
Spanish people are open and friendly, the nightlife is great and cities are pretty cool overall but in terms of employment it might not be the best choice, also it could be too hot for him during summer.
I get it, you love your country, Spain has good food but definetely not the best food in the world (i can elaborate, i lived in spain)
Thanks for ur reply..
I meant best in terms of healthy food, fresh and cheap.
only 1 valid reason to come to EU
is to play EU faceit instead of NA faceit ( bots )
If you're good at what you're doing - just go to Cali.
for school go to mainland Europe like Germany, France, or Italy. For work Germany most likely
If you are looking for a good job security and working benefits in the IT-Sector, Germany and Netherlands is definitely on the top of the scale.
5-10years ago I would put Sweden on the top no doubt also.
But as the country seems to compete with UK and US which country can shoot themselves in the foot most times in over the last couple of years... yeah I cannot recommend it wholeheartedly anymore.
If you are looking for a bit more focus on day to day life quality and better yearlong weather: Spain would be high up there.
Not as good job security or benefits as with NL or DE, but still good.
No personal experience or insight within the IT-Sector in Italy or French so cannot say anything worthwhile except from a tourist perspective.
If you want to try South Europe , u should consider Portugal.
Is probably the best in terms of speaking English and we have great weather and food .
Salaries are pretty decent in IT and the life cost is ok.
But if u wanna try other i recommend Spain or Italy
We can speak spanish, so if u come here we gonna help you speaking portuguese, no problem :)
I dont recommend you coming soon cuz coronavirus,
But in a few months , u couldve try Lisbon and Porto for sure
You should see me 😎
Italy is a clusterfuck. In IT you will most likely find a job if you speak english. Salaries are not good compared to rest of europe in IT and no one talks english. Even young people have a hard time.
Source: Have family in Italy. No one can talk with my gf. Cousin has a Master in IT. Is a programmer and gets paid same as me in different country working 80% and only finished high-school. He had lots of offers from all over EU. Said UK paid best, but he didn't want to leave italy. Other cousins work shitty jobs, or were without a job for multiple yeas eventho they have a master (not IT)
I suggest somewhere that is easy language to learn to you like sweden or germany or just go to ireland
I study CS myself and I think you have better career options in the states tbf. I am considering moving abroad at some point for some sweet american paycheck. Anyway if you want to move to Germany I would recommend the South West, with SAP and Daimler TSS you have two very decent employers here and you could probably find a job in a company that isn't solely CS related, cause there are plenty.
That's great news future brother! Welcome to the best Union, the best place on earth! Don't listen to people who tell you that you can't move to Switzerland or Norway, as they're not European Union members. Our citizens can still move there, and their citizens can move to our glorious Union! For school, definitely the UK would be a great option. They're leaving our Union, but as an Irish citizen you can still move there to live/study, and you'd be eligible for a School Loan, which you'd have to pay off on really good terms. Specifically, If you earn above certain amount of money, the British government will take only 9% off that! If you're looking for a good place to live, you should consider London as I am sure it provides great opportunities in your field, Paris would also be an option, Frankfurt (Germany) or Amsterdam, Stockholm, Oslo or even Dublin should also be okay. You've got a lot places to choose from! Good luck and we're happy to have you!!!
I'd definitely recommend Ireland or the Netherlands.
Ireland speaks English which will be pretty useful for you, + they're a pretty great country afaik.
The Netherlands definitely sounds biased, but like, we bring forth some of the greatest electronical companies and geniuses. We have ASML and Philips, both multinationals. Around Eindhoven, big city in southern Netherlands, we have the TU, which is the Technical University. HUGE ASS CAMPUS with all sorts of next-generation companies and universities, all working together in the name of science. Nickname for Eindhoven is Brainport, and is really well-known throughout Europe and the world. Look into it if yo u want to!
germany would fit
dont you want to wait for a bit to participate in the coming race wars? dont think we will get that here in EU.
nt ... france/uk are closer to that than USA
Come to UK, as Irish citizen you can come to UK to study (some of the best, but also very expensive places to study). We are very welcoming to Americans and you guys usually tend to really like the culture outside of cities. If you're more into nightlife then just travel into London. If you think accents are difficult just go to South East, most clear accent out of all of them, very friendly, nice weather.
Our houses are smaller than yours by quite a lot tho and we also arent as friendly as Americans so if those are two things that you're concerned about then dont come.
Bro I live in Germany and I can tell you that Germany, especially in the west is nice to live, however also Sweden would be a nice alternative :)
Ja easy 400 euro im Monat fürs nix tun
I wouldn't recommend germany.. I live here for 18 years and I can tell u it getting worse and worse. Especially since the stuff with refugees happen. Everyone is less open minded and you don't see kids playing outside until it's getting dark anymore.
I spend alot of time in Poland last year and it's a huge different how people are to each other. Germany is lit turkey 2.0 rn.
I would recommend you norway, sweden, denmark or netherland. if you need more sun, you can also go to spain (only if you have a well payed job offer from a american company or something like this)
I think america is a great place to live. bc you have alot of options. you are not busted by taxes like in germany.. who throw this for other countries or people away than us.
the only good thing in germany is. that you are safe here. nobody needs to live on the street bc gouvernement will pay.. but it's also reason why turkish families comming here with 10 children and not working. they getting money bc "it's human rights" blabla.
just remove this retarded social stuff for other countries and set other priorities.
reduce the fucking criminal taxes and people who don't go to work for no reason.. there are bridges. I don't mind to help handicaped people or people who lost their jobs and need help for the next time.. but not fcking turkish people who 70% come here for social money and working illigal in some bars for cash.
since 2015 we spend billions of euro for refugees and this shit doesn't stop. find a final solution or let it be.
Don't forget that Merkel doesn't see the difference between Arabian refugees and dissident refugees
gl with your situation, you seem like a reasonable person
true bro. they just throw their password away and get into germany ez as ever. this refugees will never leave again 1000%
stupid germany. now it's too late to say it was a mistake
same for corona lockdown. what changed since the last 6months ? nothing.. just everyone was at home and doesn't get infected. then they allow this retarded blacklivematters protest when 15k people meeting each other on 2cm distance to stay like retards there and holding shilds up.
I think you idealize US too much. I was living in both Germany and the USA, and as Eurooean you would enjoy living in Germany more. It's a cool place to visit, but there are problems we don't understand. Like ghettos, everyone with huge credits on them, school system. It's not like they are not paying taxes. They are paying them a little less, but they have higher costs of social security (like schooling, hospitals etc)
I can tell you the difference between germany and US rn.
So first in the US the people are waaaay more open minded than germany. Germans most of the time having a looong stick in their asses.
German „Bürokratie“ is the worse shit ever. You need a permission for everything and everything should be documented etc. it’s soo fucking stressful and takes alot of time.
German law system is retarded af. Examples: 1.if you drive a brike drunken u lose your driver license and have to drive bicycle instead of car.
2. if you doing martial arts and someone is attacking you at street and you defend yourself without telling that you practice martial arts. You can get punished very hard for it.
3. if someone trying to kill you and you kill someone by accident, you can get arrested.
There are 1000 more of this.
German people are fucking jealous goldfishes. In the US if you have success and buy yourself a cool car. People are like wow nice car.. how you get there ? (Everywhere in this world)
In germany: fcking idiot.. wanna show of bc of little penis. Or mimimi you could donate this money..
Refugee problem.
US don’t live in the past. Germany still think they have to lick everyones ass bc of ww1 and 2. and I was not born here so I can tell everything about refugees, but if my friend says same or even less aggressive.. he is a nazi.
When it comes to law system, 3 points you wrote works the same here in Poland. I think it's more of EU laws than specific countries. Same comes with burocratic, but atleast in Germany you don't wait weeks for answers.
I will agree that US people seems more open than EU in general, but there are tons of people who smash poorer people and like to show of, even if everything they have is on credit.
In states they have same problem if refugees as you guys have on the west. If you will enter black or mexican neighbourhood you better ran away. Not gonna lie, but when you will live in places where only whites live, you will see how much safer it is. Sadly most sereotypes about blacks (violent, agressive, less inteligent, stealing and how restitutionary they are) is true.
About calling germans nazi I can agree with you, that's fucking dumb. People are afraid to have an opinion, and they are not saying outloud what they think which triggers me more than native germans. I was cursing on some dumb ass turks or moroccans in FaM that were behaving like animals, and native germans told me to stop, or I will have problems with police etc, but everyone had the same thoughts, but they preffer to pretend it's ok wtf
I can agree. my gf is making her polish permission to stay card since december.. she has a permission to stay in poland since then. but your offices are unable to print a new card. it's ridiculous.
we have same here with turkish people but even worse. they renting this cars to show off for one day and give it back then.
I don't think so. it's more dangerous bc of hoods etc. and people are forced to do this. it's a big problem yes. but this "stereotypes" are not true. it's more stereotypes for turks. they are more "spirited" by nature. it's how they grow up and part of their culture but doesn't fit here.
yes. that's why the gouvernement can do whatever they want if it's about refugees etc. people are scared to say something and this retarded antifa people abusing the situation. I'm not even german. I have a german password but still feel so sorry for this country. this everyone is welcome is totally retarded. especially if they have other options, but now it's too late and they would just make themselves look foolish.
yes. and if you do it as german.. you are a nazi. I was in Poland alot of times bc my gf lives there and it's a whole different spirit. I feel more welcome and erveryone having a different mentality.
You also have cleaner streets.. what is ridiculous bc I mean we pay alooot of taxes so why they don't focus on this too ? but the reason are clearly turks (in their disctrict.. neukölln and kreuzberg) it's worse. It can't be random.. we call it turk district already here in berlin.
and you guys were smart with refugees. just took few tousands and that's all.
Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
German people are fucking jealous goldfishes. In the US if you have success and buy yourself a cool car. People are like wow nice car.. how you get there ? (Everywhere in this world)
In germany: fcking idiot.. wanna show of bc of little penis. Or mimimi you could donate this money..
Bro kys this happens everywhere its personality trait. Dumb shit😂😂😂
are you retarded ?
come to germany and everyone can confirm that germans are jealous retards.
they are waaay better in complaining about their life than put work in to get where other people are. you can also see german twitch chat is alwaaays toxic. especially in fifa. people waiting for you to fail, bc they feel better bc they aren't that good or are jealous bc u earn money with playing games.
go to Germany
The USA of Europe
am i wrong?
germany is even worse. but they don't show it like usa.
how can u explain all this taxes.. and if you was here while they decided a lock down.. u would understand. students were fucked bc. they closed everything. we had 0 incomming. still need to pay bills, rent etc. we could only get credits.. nice credits before worklife even starts.
later they still want our taxes. fucking retards. I decided since then, that they won't get anything from me. I will either move away from here or there are other ways
I'm not sure i understand you 100% but. yea. this taxes are retarded.
everything you do has taxes. you earning money paytaxes, you buying something pay taxes, you have extra earnings pay taxes, you won in lottery pay taxes, you won in bets pay taxes, you got much money from your grandma pay taxes.
you lost money on bets ehm no refund. you lose your job ? well yea we can give you 400€ per months even you payed about 2k taxes per months for the last 10 years bc we need to feed other retards and even not german people
That's a very selfish and uneducated thing to say. In reality high taxes has been proven to help at lowest the bottomt 95%. Look at scandinavisa/finland/Iceland we have the highest taxes in the world and our country is great. In realitypaying high taxes doesn't matter when we get free education, free healthcare, free dentists, at lowest 1000 dollar if unemployed up to 2k, SU which is paying students like at lowest 180 dollars a month so they don't have to work part time and more. Sure i have to pay 20-25% more in taxes than in the US but if i get in a car accident and have to cough up 1 million for a operation id be dead in the US but in Denmark i can get it for free. That gives me a ton of safety and security.
The fact education is free is great because instead of having 60-70% of educated individuals it's 100% which means we get more tax money that can then fuel the average citizen more. Germany isn't like scandinavia but it's much closer than the US is. Be happy that your country cares for you, in america you pay taxes to make the 1% richer. For gods sake you could have been born in Malawi and earned less than a dollar an hour.
The state isn't a person and doesn't have feelings, it's always fair, ofc your could go liberal and give the money to corporations that instead fuck 99% of the country in the ass only making themselves more and more rich.
that's true yea. but you see what you get back ? we don't it's really retarded. they still giving themselves probs for not working systems.
and ofc other countries are worse if it comes to the life quality, but this doesn't rob you. in germany you will never get the same healthcare as you get at your place. there is a reason why denish people are in top 5 or the happiest in the world.
in 200-500 years the next generations will read about our failed system as we read about roma, athena or the french politcs in the past. they all thought their politics are the best but indeed they weren't.
it should be free to pay taxes or not, but if not. you need to step back from all benefits. It's robbery bc you have to work for this country. if not you will be hungry.. if yes you have to pay taxes or go to jail. soo where is the different between this and the old kingdoms ?
it's just better wrapped so people believe in this shit. for now ofc
Lived in Germany for two decades. It's good. Problem imo was not taxes but wages. Depending on industry wages go up 0-3% every 3-5 years, while housing went up 70%.
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I lived in munich and while earning ~30k after tax (netto) I had to share an apartement with two other guys who worked full time and earned between 30-40k net. Neither of could afford an apartement without having to pay 70% of our salary. To buy a 30sqm apartement it was around 300k. Other parts in Germany are way better of course, but munich was the easiest place to get a job.
I was forced to move to a different country. Loved Germany. Didn't mind the turks or whatever. People seemed happy and there were plents kids playing outside. Never got robbed or anything you said. Healthcare was also good, with sometimes long waiting time when I needed a specialist. 8/10 would recommend
I mean in reality you have 3 choices for who rules you in a country. The state (Politicians voted by the populis), A dictator or the corporations. There is no such thing as a "free country" there has to be some kind of leader to hold up law and order. Realistically speaking the state is always the best option, but it comes with a price you have to pay taxes to fuel the state. On the other hand you get bonus' the higher the taxes are, free healthcare, free educations, insured pension, equal oppertunity and so on. Socialist's always say you pay taxes to help others but in reality the rich pay taxes to help other's (In high tax countries) you pay taxes so you can benefit from it by getting those bonus'. In the us 1 family has the same money as the bottom 50% of the COUNTRY. That's 150 million people that have less money than 10-20 individuals. Tax's make sure that doesn't happen.
I dought you support a dictator so i don't think i have to explain why dictator's always suck and crumble in the end of the day.
What you believe in is Libertarian Minarchism which is when the state has no power and it's only objective is to keep Law enforcements, run the army and rund foreign affairs other than that the state can't do anything. That means corporations can do anything they like. 2 dollars and hour 80 hours a week it sounds insane but that's what the world was like in the 1850's. In that kind of world the 1% own everything and the 99% only exist to be used as stepping stools for the rich to grow even richer. Libertarian Minarchism is one of the worst idelogies i mean hell Fascism is better, it's like communism in the sence that it looks great on paper but in reality doesn't work at all.
You sound like the person that watches fox news 24 hours a day and get's brainwashed by corrupt politicians and corrupt news hosts that tell you how bad socialism is and that getting fucked over by rich people is sooooo amazing.
no you're not. Imagine living in one of the best countries in the world and still being able to complain, people like that will never be happy
name check. as german you are working for others.. they describe us as "engine of europe" guess why ?`bc our pockets are full of robbed money from working people here. to help europe.. imagine being so stupid not to see this.
why should you work to pay for people's food, who are able to work but just lazy af ? go to berlin and check out neuköln/kreuzberg, where turkish women walking with their 5 children bc they don't go to work. how tf are the malls always full at time when they should be at work ? disgusting
edit: you getting 400€ + your rent is payed + 220€ for each children.
their husband working illigal in some stores or telling they earn less than they actually do to avoid taxes. do your own math.
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id suggest you choose a few places to go on holiday first if you havent. any of the countries in northern europe are decent
"Sure you can go to some tier 1 countries like Switzerland etc, but why? They don't need you"
Eh? Why wouldnt a T1 country need him?
I would gladly take him to Denmark because as we can see he wants to work with computer stuff etc, so he got some good education and so on.
So why would he go there and struggle as well? lol.
When he could move to Denmark or Switzerland as examples and get a good salary for the education he got.
+1
Ukraine needs you man pls pls pls
If i was you....i would probably aim for Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands and of course Denmark. :)
if u would move i suggest come to switzerland. i know its not a eu country but its by far one of the best countries in europe. the schoolsystem is great and u dont even have to learn a new language. living here is kinda expensive but u can get scholarship easily. one more thing is as a student in Computer Science and Mathematics u can achiev great things here.
There is only ONE right answer and that is worlds happiest country, FINLAND.
But seriously, what ever country u decide to go or move, will be a benefit for rest of your life. Taking a time in a different counyry isnt ever a bad choise. I choose to do that by traveling all around, which is not the same but best option right now. Thinking about to move to Singapore in coming years.
U get to experience differemt cultures etc. Gotta say im bit jelly for u, but come here, here u can witness the summer time when the sun never set, its magical.
Belgium have excellent schools. Humble brag.
sweden, denmark, germany or the netherlands
don't go to Poland unless u will be able to drink with collage students btw
without alcohol, this is beautiful country but ppl aren't being teached english well
imo:
-Spain: my friend recommended this for friendly ppl. they like when u will speak pidgin spanish.
-Norway
-Germany
LMAO SPAIN AXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA
As French, If I was in your position, I would have chosen either Denmark or Sweden because I like their way of thinking + they speak english.
It depends of the kind of weither conditions you like. But It would be very interesting for an American to leave there because it is a way different way of thinking and as human you would learn a lot I suppose. I have studied in Sweden and it is already quite different from France in terms of society.
About your job, no problem almost anywhere in EU.
But if you come in France skip Paris. It is the worst place to live in France imho.
Definitely dont go to Slovakia. Nature here is beautiful, but people and salaries are horrible
little bit everything right? some peace, some war, some racista etc.. country for everyone
spain, turkey, netherlands
turkey? LMAO
Come to Czech Republic, very friendly place unless u arent white
First if you can take the citizenship, then take it. No matter what.
Second, you should visit Europe as a tourist when you get the chance, focus on countries you consider the most for your career.
Third, our way of life is kinda different from the US one, so is our continent. It is impossible to make one explanation for the whole EU as countries, culture, landscape, laws can be quite different from one to another.
Fourth, Ireland is obviously the simplest to consider for you, due to language barrier. Perhaps Scottland will come back in few years, who knows.
Then German speaking countries are good since it is relatively close to english.
As english is not my native language, my expertise is quite limited on this.
But in every latin countries (France, Spain, Italy, Portugal) you have to speak the language since we are bad in english and don't use it in professional environment.
For Scandinavian countries I can't say.
Fifth, opportunity : speaking of paygrid, today the best would be Ireland and Luxembourg, then Germany, Sweden and Danemark. Of course it depend of your field of work ultimately as Luxembourg is more specialized on law and financial jobs than in scientific ones.
You can also consider Norway and Switzerland. Even if not in EU, they are part of the Schengen zone, meaning EU citizen are free to go there like it was an EU country. From a career perspective it is almost the same.
Sixth, be sure what country fit you the most, because learning a language will limit your possibility to change, even if it is possible, it is hard if you didn't started when you were young : your brain didn't took the habit to do so. And so, learning multiple one would take a very long time.
Note that on the job market you will be in competition with locals, for which language will not be an issue at all and even if they are worst than you in english, they learned it since school. For exemple, I'm bad in english, yet I'm ready to bet my english is better than you speaking a non english language.
This being said, in term of generalization, the paygrid here is less important than in the US, because part of the salary goes into remote salary through our socialized system : pension, healthcare, paid vacation, etc..
So the best way to compare is to calculate what is left once you paid all your bills.
On that matter if you consider California as too socialist for your taste, then you will have a problem in EU probably.
There are forums/facebook group of expatriated americans for each EU countries, you should contact them for more details as they will be the best to give your experiences on what change that implied for an US native.
Finally, I believe that for you, the best way to start would be ireland, because of the language barrier. Then you would be "on site" already, free to spend your week-ends visiting other countries to see if another one fits you better.
Cali taxes all your money and gives you nothing back. At least in Europe you get something for it.
I've just read I am current citizen of usa
come over to eu 10/10 wont regret, Germany would be a good country to start, if you established in europe you can move on then, now 4 real even if my english is kinda meh I hope you got my point
i would recommend switzerland, but nowadays it's hard to get a "permee" there
Which part of Ireland are you considering? I say this cause Ireland is a good country as well
jermany or stay in na
Don't go to EU
uk come to my house
u need 4 years for u bachelor where we got only 3 years time. u need to specify only after like 1 or 2 years, we start right from 1 day. US studies are very breath, so u know maybe more stuff but not deep enough. i know a few ppl from US in my university which moved after a certain time in the US to germany. they went 3-4 semesters down, because they dont got the knowledge. it's no hate, but you literally pay for ur grades and diploma in the us. here the schools and universities are free for all, thats why we have such a high seeding. but if u pay like 20.000$ a year, u want a diploma and u will get it. trust me. every person, that i know, which studied in germany/britain laughs about the conditions in the US. thats why u guys love high graduated ppl from europe in ur country. try to go abroad and study like for 1 semester here :)
It actually depends on a lot of things but generally speaking American education is "better" because the teachers get paid according to how many graduate and so on. That means they only go over test subjects and don't use irl situations because the only things that matters is how well they perform on the test.
stay in na, only shit opponent in online games
Although I shit talk the UK, I think it could be a great option. I'm sure they have plenty of jobs and they're English speaking too.
Edit: I forgot about Brexit, so... Yea nvm.
I think some great countries are Switzerland, Ireland, Norway, and Germany. Idk though, I've only ever visited Germany but for a day only.
to be hones anywhere is fine, sugest personaly prefer nordic countries or baltics, but like depends on how mild winters do you want. The only massive difference is weather and like what the avg building looks like. ps RIGA is shit don't even visit. better go to vilnus if ur in baltics at somepoint when traveling around EU for some reason cause u probably will :D
Come to Spain, there's a lot of job opportunities for IT workers and you said you know a bit of Spanish
Move to East or South East Asia.
Denmark would be a good choice.
On top all the other great things about our country as an EU citizen you won't have to pay to study and in fact you will get money for studying.
To a BR The US is already too god, but for me EU is better.
In Computer Science you are better off in the USA tbh. In Europe coding is still a blue collar job, so people tend to earn less and their job is perceived as less valuable. However, if you work for Google in Dublin or London, this could be an option, especially if you are keen to have a longer vacation than in the US (typically at least 50% more holidays per year in Europe, in some countries even 2x more). Also if you would like to explore Europe and travel around using the time when you are young and free, it would make sense to move to Europe.
Country rankings:
Best economy, safest job market: Germany (however, you need to learn German or you will not make far)
Best climate and people-wise: Spain (however, high unemployment, low wages, also need to learn Spanish as 70% of the people speak very bad English)
In your case, I would only seriously consider Ireland (Dublin) and the UK (London) and then go from there if you like the European atmosphere.
"In Europe coding is still a blue collar job" - That very much depends where you are from and realistically speaking you are wrong, it's honestly a good thing for him that it's like that cause then they would have a higher interest in him. It depends a lot on the country, the nordic countries are not only equal to the US but in many ways ahead of them, it's also a job where if you aren't working you chose not to work, the pay is extremely high (Someone competent could get 8000 dollars a month before tax) and the need for the job is growing.
Best economy is not Germany it's probably Norway or Switzerland.
In your case and in your line of work english is literally needed so everyone already speaks english, only english speaking immigrants aren't uncommon at all especially where im from. Any Nordic country, Switzerland, Ireland and Netherlands would be fine for you.
If you don't speak the local language yet, then I would say Germany or Netherlands is a good option
Sweden, Denmark and Norway are also a good option
But it might be really tough in countries like France, Italy, Spain if you don't speak the local language when you arrive
we slap muricans ., i trhink french good
stay na please, we need no 10 iq guys
Americans who come tu Europe are usually the smart ones, who realize that there's not just USA on Earth, and that the other countries are not all 3rd world countries
jeah i know 3 , after 30 years germany they dont speak german, very smart....
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i mean look from a Irishman it's a lot different over here then the US that's for sure but it has this old charm about the place the green fields even the rain what a place it gets even better if you start following the national sports Hurling and Gaelic Football what incredible sports they are
imo Scandinavia (especially Sweden & Norway) is the best choice
I mean i know that in Finland you could live pretty easily people can talk english but ofc not everyone you will have social who will help you alot (Kela) if needed to go to hospital you get first treatment then asked for payment and it isnt even that high because of Kela salary is pretty good the minus in living in Finland when you try to learn the language its really hard one of the hardest languages in the world.
Nordic countries and Germany offers high level economy so it's easier for you to have a job and potentially higher wages. On the other hand I find the general quality of life higher in countries like Italy or France (climate, landscape, gastronomy, atmosphere, behaviours, etc ...). So if you enjoy a glass of wine or two at the corner of the street from time to time you better go there. if you're purely coming to grind cash you should favour Nordic/germany
scandinavian country in general, and switzerland (you can pretty much talk english everywhere and everyone will understand) + there are a lot of school for sciense and maths, and healthcare is better (although it's expensive)
PS: i know switzerland, isn't EU nor some of the scandinavian i mentioned before, but it's still a good move imo
If you come to Denmark and have something like 80 hours of work a month you're entitled to receive educational support afaik (might wanna check though because there's different rules for EU and non-EU citizens). The stipend or educational support is about 5000 DKK (approx 850 dollars) a month and with a job on the side it isn't bad. Plus all public schools and universities are free . You might wanna check DTU dtu.dk/english
Imagine thinking Berlin is a top tier city HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA
come turkey after 2023
End of the day it all depends on what you’re looking for.
Work is a small part of your life.
I do web/mobile and I’ve lived and worked in Switzerland and UK. Moved to Barcelona a year ago and couldn’t have made a better choice. Will never move out of South Europe even though I had 2/3 x bigger salaries in North/Central Europe.
come china
Why Europe, though? The salaries for software engineers are much higher in the United States, especially in the Sillicon Valley area. Obviously, if moving to Europe is a goal in itself, then software engineer salary will provide you with a comfortable life.
You should look into the available investment avenues in each EEA country, as you will be making way more than you will need to get by. For example, the UK you can defer taxation by sacrificing a portion of your salary (up to £40k/year) - it will only be taxed (at your marginal rate, which we can assume to be 20%, with the ability to withdraw a lump sum of 25% tax free, which gives a net tax rrate of just 15%) once you retire. The compound interest over the years means that you would need to earn £100k/year to compete with £60k/year with a salary sacrifice scheme (give or take, the numbers are not exact, just to give you a picture).
My net tax burden (and that includes a public medical insurance that covers everything) in Scotland, where I live since September last year, is barely 5%. Neat, right?
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