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NIKO OR DEVICE?????? PROS ANSWER
Ivory Coast Ez4Olof 
2020-06-30 17:28
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I THINK NIKO FOR SURE
2020-06-30 17:30
#2
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Pakistan LoOuU2 
How can a primary awper be compared to a primary rifling IGL?
2020-06-30 17:32
#44
acoR | 
Norway MarsPi 
as overall players
2020-06-30 18:24
#100
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Pakistan LoOuU2 
Still can't do that when overall they play completely different roles
2020-06-30 19:31
I mean you can kind of compare devices rifles skills to nikos awping skills?
2020-06-30 21:05
#135
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Pakistan LoOuU2 
Still not a fair comparison, even in that regard
2020-06-30 21:15
#87
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Romania decis1ve 
+1
2020-06-30 19:03
apex claming device as a goat
2020-06-30 17:32
#15
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Europe AllowItFam 
hes not wrong
2020-06-30 17:43
#16
World Kobs 
zywoo said device is the best player he played against
2020-06-30 17:45
Bcz zywoo cannot play against himself lol
2020-06-30 19:18
+1
2020-06-30 20:32
Both overrated but device because NiKo toxic
2020-06-30 17:32
#17
Bubzkji | 
United Kingdom embeR_ 
4x Major winner and 15x MVP overated ? yayyaayyaya
2020-06-30 17:45
Correct
2020-06-30 18:07
look at his flag omegalul
2020-06-30 18:12
Steve Kerr 5x time NBA champion and still just a average ( slightly above average) player... Shitty comparison just to point that stats can paint wrong picture....
2020-06-30 18:28
#66
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Canada Sharkey3322 
Right but you missed the x15 MVP's.
2020-06-30 18:32
yeah but those are usually just best rating in winning team.. dude is awper and it gives him edge over Magisk for those , let be honest...
2020-06-30 18:38
lets not be stupid, device is a great player and probably top3 of all time
2020-06-30 18:43
people just assume that when you say "this fucker is overrated" that we mean "This dude is trash" ..Great player since he found structure with glaive in team....but that top 3 thing is "overrated" part
2020-06-30 18:48
he is not overrated at all, he might even be the best player in csgo history. I think you dont know what you are talking about or you are just a hater. He as been consistent since 2014 until now, no other player has been that consistent over so many years
2020-06-30 18:49
oh come the fuck on.... but he is consistent af , especially after he endured whole choking phase with old ast.. but best player....
2020-06-30 19:00
Well what do you consider when you think best player? I value high performance and consistency over a long period of time as well as tournament wins. So for me device is easily the GOAT. Now if you think a player needs HLTV top 1 to be considered the best then we can agree to disagree
2020-06-30 20:30
well to be best you gotta have highest performance in the game... its not posibble to be that your whole career but at least your prime...always a bridesmaid never a bride dont work when you wanna pick "the best"
2020-06-30 21:02
#118
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Denmark tense198_v2 
+1 great player since he found structure with gla1ve in astralis. really average before. hltv.org/news/19647/top-20-players-of-20.. hltv.org/news/16841/top-20-players-of-20.. hltv.org/news/13906/top-20-players-of-20..
2020-06-30 20:15
i didnt call him average but he had "mental" issues before glaive and all team therapies and shit after that he did found structure
2020-06-30 20:53
#25
allu | 
Finland AleksiBOT 
KEKindar is overrated because of you.
2020-06-30 18:14
#5
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Belgium ibuprofenia 
Xaxxaxaxxaxax Device pickers OMEGALUL
2020-06-30 17:35
+1
2020-06-30 17:36
Dev1ce
2020-06-30 17:36
If talking about raw talent, Niko. Everything else, DEVICE >> NIKO
2020-06-30 17:38
raw talent>everything
2020-06-30 17:40
#13
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Russia lemuig 
Nope That's what astralis proved And still people like you don't get it
2020-06-30 17:41
elige and device proved that having a team and being a good team player is more important than talent alone device 4 majors 1 grand slam, elige 0 majors and 1 grand slam s1mple and zywoo 0 majors and 0 grand slams
2020-06-30 18:18
#26
allu | 
Finland AleksiBOT 
LUL, what Did ELige do prove that?
2020-06-30 18:15
31 bo3/5s won in a row uncontested grand slam god rifler (way more impressive than awper) most dominant 2 months of cs ever (seriously if you thought liquid wasn’t winning an event between may till august you’re stupid) grand slam >>>> major btw, you can’t fluke 4 big event wins but you can fluke a major win, as proven by gambit and c9 btw fan of allu and finland xaxaxaxaxa
2020-06-30 18:22
#38
allu | 
Finland AleksiBOT 
I know Elige is insane but he is never listed in team player tbh.
2020-06-30 18:20
he’s a hard entry until 2019 where liquid finally pulled him out of being a dedicated entry and he got much better. he also co-igls for liquid and can pretty much fill any role liquid needs him to
2020-06-30 18:21
#45
allu | 
Finland AleksiBOT 
+1
2020-06-30 18:24
#49
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Denmark tense198_v2 
co-igls?? since when?
2020-06-30 18:26
look at liquid coms and the games, he sometimes calls for the team and can fully igl as well
2020-06-30 18:28
I like Liquid but I dont think Elige is doing any Co-igl job after stewie joins the team
2020-06-30 19:28
s1mple and device 0 majors? wtfmens)
2020-06-30 18:17
sorry meant zywoo(((
2020-06-30 18:18
0/8 device and elige was worse choker than s0mple until god glaive and stewie started to carry them
2020-06-30 19:18
S1mple, zywoo, electronics, Niko are the pros with the best raw talent but they barely win anything. Then you look at players like stewie, dupreeh. They are not known for raw skill but theyhave won almost every tier 1 events in CSGO
2020-06-30 19:27
Bcuz they have better teams???? We are comparing players not teams By your logic pronax>every cs go player except astralis
2020-06-30 19:29
If you are talking the impact in game. Yes, pronax is better than a lot of current T1 pro. Navi and Faze are the team with the beat raw talent, but they havent achieve anything remarkable up until this point. This prove my points, raw talent wins game but not Event
2020-06-30 19:33
#10
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Russia lemuig 
Can not be compared both are different
2020-06-30 17:40
#11
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Europe bestest_team 
raw aiming ability 100% goes to NiKo, device isn't a star player in contrast to NiKo.
2020-06-30 17:40
device and it's not even close
2020-06-30 17:40
#14
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United States kami917 
Individually of course niko, literally everything else device
2020-06-30 17:41
#19
OKAYYY | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh 
niko is top3 most mechanically gifted player ever, but device is just incredible team-player
2020-06-30 18:09
device is light years better than NiKo as an overall player, NiKo has more mechanical skill but what device brings to the team is unmatched /closed
2020-06-30 18:10
device GOAT
2020-06-30 18:10
#24
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Nepal sasukeee 
Niko hands down
2020-06-30 18:13
Device is a system player he cannot do it outside of the Astralis core, he will never leave his comfort zone. NiKo can do it anyway, no matter how unstructured or bad the team is, he will still be a beast. This is a FACT
2020-06-30 18:15
^this
2020-06-30 18:15
#30
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Denmark tense198_v2 
if they set it up around him, of course..
2020-06-30 18:23
yh it is the same for every single top player out there
2020-06-30 18:27
#52
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Denmark tense198_v2 
debatable.
2020-06-30 18:27
navi and vitality are examples of the point you just made..
2020-06-30 18:28
#56
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Denmark tense198_v2 
2 players.
2020-06-30 18:28
There are not many elite players out there
2020-06-30 18:28
if NiKo is such a beast why was he ranked 11th in 2019 and fell to a 1.00 rating at one point lmfao? when astralis fell apart in 2016, device was their hard carry and held a 1.20+ rating. same thing happened during blastralis and he’s still their best player even now so the argument that he can’t play outside an established system is bs
2020-06-30 18:20
#42
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Denmark tense198_v2 
+1 so many people overlooking this. guy almost hardcarried a team with zonic and a standin to a major semifinal...
2020-06-30 18:23
it was top 8 but point proven device can easily play without the astralis core. device just never had to
2020-06-30 18:30
#63
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Denmark tense198_v2 
"almost"
2020-06-30 18:31
true, vp were literally like 5 rounds away from losing
2020-06-30 18:34
Because the Astralis core never broke up in 2016? It was always there.. sure they had a few internal problems but they were always a structured team. Device always had the support and role he desired. NiKo in 2019 had to play with 2 different stand-ins, in an unstructured team. His team let him down most the time.. Thorin even said the same thing. Also don't know why you're making up that he had a 1.00 rating in 2019.
2020-06-30 18:25
the players were there, the system wasnt. it's actually harder to shine in the astralis system because the players play for the team, not for themselves. btw, gyazo.com/497e71a01f7e033aa7e8da8747a908.. i said he had a 1.00 rating at one point. and that is indeed true, he fell off a cliff between starladder till november
2020-06-30 18:29
When he was forced into a shitty role cause of NEO..... device would get < 0.90 ratings if he ever was put out of a role
2020-06-30 18:30
Proving my point, Niko on the smae level as device even though he had to endure years leading lifeless rosters , thank you.
2020-06-30 18:40
#77
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Denmark tense198_v2 
LOL. device was hardcarrying astralis in pretty much every single big tournament in 2016 when they had karrigan.
2020-06-30 18:41
omfg im done explaining to you, congrats ur right
2020-06-30 18:43
#80
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Denmark tense198_v2 
thank you for admitting it. NIKO FANDOG
2020-06-30 18:46
braindead danish cuck
2020-06-30 20:56
device was put as the hard carry when astralis broke apart in mid 2016. like #42 said, at cologne, device had to play with 2 standins (dont put the bs that gla1ve played, they still played under karrigans system). device still carries astralis and is their best player when xyp and gla1ve are gone yes NiKo was in shitty roles but elige spent his entire career until 2019 as a hard entry just like NiKo was in mid 2019 and he was a top 20 player 2 times. and when liquid put him in a different position, he adapted and got even better. so the adaptation argument isnt even valid there
2020-06-30 18:33
device did it his whole career also outside Astralis, niko never achieved anything cause he ruins the teams he joins. this is a FACT
2020-06-30 18:25
lmfao he has been in the same core since like 2014, getting the role and support he needs to thrive.. i am not saying he is bad, but he is no way near NiKo in terms of individual skill and impact
2020-06-30 18:26
#62
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Denmark tense198_v2 
hahaha.
2020-06-30 18:30
All I am saying is that if you genuinely think that Device is better than NiKo **skill-wise** , then you're brain-dead for sure.
2020-06-30 18:31
#67
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Denmark tense198_v2 
didnt say hes not, but he doesnt have more impact than device.
2020-06-30 18:32
#103
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Europe twitchy_ 
What do you guys smoke. Awpers ger more rating 2.0 because awp is op and they usually save more rounds so their stats are boosted. By the way, in this case Niko ratings this year are better in both impact and rating 2.0 and if you look to whole career niko is still better, being a rifler. hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/3741/NiKo?startDa.. Can't wait to hear the majors thing now that you lost on stats.
2020-06-30 19:53
#104
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Denmark tense198_v2 
impact rating tells you all about the game... awp definitely not op.
2020-06-30 19:54
#128
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Europe twitchy_ 
Awp is op on rating 2.0 that's why the top3 players are awpers most of the years or why s1mple says awp is the easiest gun of the game. By the way, impact ratings are slightly better for Niko than Device.
2020-06-30 20:49
#130
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Denmark tense198_v2 
impact rating tells you all about the game...
2020-06-30 20:55
Playing the same role? LMFAO new fag he was their star rifler but because their main awp'er (nico) quit he picked up the role. Device has far more impact which is why he is always rated much much much higher than niko. Niko literally took the IGL from someone who was waaaay better at it to make the team play around him and failed miserable at it.
2020-06-30 18:47
NiKo obviously
2020-06-30 18:15
devve
2020-06-30 18:16
honestly both insane player i think depends on map but overall i feel dev1ce is slightly better, but like i said both are insane
2020-06-30 18:16
all time - dev1ce 2020 - niko
2020-06-30 18:17
#71
f0rest | 
Norway _SoZe 
same stats in 2020 and no achivements for both
2020-06-30 18:35
dev1ce has been inactive for most of the 2020 tho
2020-06-30 18:52
#105
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Denmark tense198_v2 
>20 days >most of 6 months
2020-06-30 19:55
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. >94 maps against top20 >70 maps against top20
2020-06-30 20:00
#111
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Denmark tense198_v2 
its still not most.
2020-06-30 20:06
#35
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India _Jazz_ 
overall NiKo Though device is more consistent.
2020-06-30 18:17
#41
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Denmark tense198_v2 
niko is the better all around player??? hes more skilled, but not a better player overall. device can play pretty much any fragging role, he doesnt require almost any resources and can adapt to almost any situation in the round. and when someone mentions niko is the igl, i laugh...
2020-06-30 18:30
+111111111 NiKo is way more skilled than device but as proven with s1mple and zywoo, skill doesnt mean trophies and NiKo igl is basically a filler role lmao, his strats are horrible and that is apparent with how shit faze's t sides are
2020-06-30 18:36
But Zywho and s1mple won sth LUL
2020-06-30 19:16
#43
XANTARES | 
Sweden Onkov 
is this troll video?? they have different roles and completely different teams wtf rivarly
2020-06-30 18:24
So this is a better/usefull thread than Leaf cheat ?
2020-06-30 18:24
#53
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Poland dreamShow 
>CS:GO Pro's >Acillion ok, /close
2020-06-30 18:27
#70
f0rest | 
Norway _SoZe 
Devve
2020-06-30 18:35
#72
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Denmark tense198_v2 
i love how much cold is sucking niko whenever theres a question even slightly associated with him.
2020-06-30 18:36
coldzera giving the worst argument to why niko is bettee 😂😂
2020-06-30 18:38
Neither, tbh
2020-06-30 18:50
#88
gxx- | 
Belgium ZxTox 
NiKo in terms of gamesense, teamplayer and raw talent of course device in terms of accomplishments
2020-06-30 19:09
#106
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Denmark tense198_v2 
teamplayer xaxaxa
2020-06-30 19:57
#108
gxx- | 
Belgium ZxTox 
Can't remember last time device entrying a bombsite and making space for his team.
2020-06-30 20:01
#109
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Denmark tense198_v2 
then youre blind. he does it basically every game, especially on inferno. also laughing at another guy who thinks niko is some kinda entry god just because they saw it written in his liquipedia page.
2020-06-30 20:05
device literally have more entry frags than anyone on astralis
2020-06-30 20:09
device is for sure better he is smarter and he knows how to play the maps. His gamesense is also higher cuz he thinks before he acts unlike Niko who is the biggest choker in csgo ever. it isn't even about the achievements. But Niko has nearly 0 achievements as a player and with his team. So far I remember he didn't won cologne or Katowice and that are the tournaments you need outside of a major to be near of a the same staus or even higher than device.
2020-06-30 19:15
niko, device defended a 16y cheater on twitter
2020-06-30 19:17
Flag checks out
2020-06-30 20:34
#97
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Russia ToughGuy 
that moment when device is so overrated cuz of his achievements
2020-06-30 19:29
#110
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Denmark tense198_v2 
not really. he was criminally underrated before the astralis era, now hes fairly rated.
2020-06-30 20:06
#112
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Russia ToughGuy 
i mean yea he's goat but when is comes to individual term compare to other top5 players he's just too overrated
2020-06-30 20:08
#113
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Denmark tense198_v2 
no.
2020-06-30 20:08
#115
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Russia ToughGuy 
well i didn't watch pre 2015 cs so maybe that's why
2020-06-30 20:11
#116
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Denmark tense198_v2 
what?
2020-06-30 20:12
#119
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Russia ToughGuy 
nvm
2020-06-30 20:21
#120
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Denmark tense198_v2 
great discussion...
2020-06-30 20:23
niko is more skilled but device is a better player if that makes sense. My opinion of course.
2020-06-30 19:31
Ofc it makes sense. CSGO is not a 1v1 aim map. Where you know your opponent is in front of you somewhere
2020-06-30 20:36
very hard one but i would say niko
2020-06-30 19:48
why is scream here
2020-06-30 20:15
#125
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Ukraine workspree 
s1mple for sure
2020-06-30 20:36
individually niko is many leagues above ecolai.
2020-06-30 21:04
#136
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Denmark tense198_v2 
xaxaxa. EkO miles above gunroundvice? I arent think that.
2020-06-30 23:42
device!
2020-06-30 23:42
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