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Xantares finally in top-20 2020?
Norway jerrick 
2020-07-04 15:53
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Top 10 if he and BIG keep going like this
2020-07-04 15:54
You don’t get top 20 after 2 good tournaments
2020-07-04 15:57
he has been playing well since space soldiers
2020-07-04 18:55
But his team have only had 2 good tournaments this year
2020-07-04 19:00
His team won one tournament, and they are at least top3 in this tournament, more achievements than most teams this year. Also he has good stats, so he is very likely to be top20 this year
2020-07-04 20:14
But look at teams like faze, navi, g2 who have consinstently made deep runs in tournaments. Xantares has been the 3rd best on his team so would lack individual awards
2020-07-04 20:16
You could argue that G2, Navi and Faze were better than Big this year, but there are not many other teams better than them. Also stats-wise, xantares has one of the greatest stats against top20, top10 etc.
2020-07-04 20:17
Look how many maps navi and faze have played against top 20 then look at big. Huge disparity
2020-07-04 20:20
Yeah but faze and navi played more maps than any other team (around 95 maps), but look at other teams, g2 played 78 maps, astralis played 70 maps and big has 61 maps. The difference is not that huge with other teams. Also, big players' stats are increasing after every match
2020-07-04 20:27
It’s also more realistic for faze/navi/g2 to perform consistently on lan than big
2020-07-04 20:29
Current big lineup never played on LAN before, so its too early to talk about them
2020-07-04 20:31
Think about how likely it is for Coldzera to play really well on lan. Then think about how likely it is for Xantares to play on lan
2020-07-04 20:32
Wrong, they played at two lan events which they both won. They only lost 1 map on LAN. Against tier 2/3 opposition tho...
2020-07-04 22:59
I didnt count them because they were not big events
2020-07-04 23:08
but it's bs to say they never played on LAN before. They played it, even if it's tier 2. They even won both, only dropping 1 map. They won everything they could this year, exept Pro Leage (1 win away from beeing 1st in their group) which was online btw. How much more do they need to do? I get it, they haven't won a Tier 1 LAN with this lineup. Sure. But how could they? I'm so done with people assuming it's all because of the online phase now. Only people who didnt watch a lot of BIG games could say something like that. They have improved massivly. They have never been as good as now, even online.
2020-07-05 13:56
ok let me fix They never played on a relevant LAN Edit: It's so obvious you didnt even read my other comments about big, lol
2020-07-05 15:53
yeah I can agree to that. Also sorry, the second part wasn't really about you. Was just a general addition I wanted to put out.
2020-07-05 16:20
They only played in 2 LAN tournaments before the pandemic and they both won... Dreamhack Open(#16Heroic,#17Cloud9,#18MadLions,#21North,#24Renegades,#30Sprout,#46Bıg)they beat all the matches(1st) Flashpoint Global Qualifer(1St)
2020-07-05 16:33
Can you read my friendd They didnt play on any "relevant" lans
2020-07-05 17:17
New Zealand rOtten_97
His team is doing better this year than Faze
2020-07-05 13:16
Doesnt matter in top20 if he plays against tier 2-3
2020-07-05 10:31
almost half of his matches are vs top20 though?
2020-07-05 11:49
Who cares about top20,top10 and top5 is what really matters when talking about the best of the best
2020-07-05 12:35
well this post is about top 20 so maybe be quiet then
2020-07-05 12:56
well, surely top20 teams are not tier3, that was my point also he still has 20% of his matches vs top10 and has 1.16 rating
2020-07-05 13:14
Denmark dyinbyran
i am a s1mple fan but you do realise that the cis quals which navi won recently had literally no tier 1 team ?
2020-07-05 13:18
Denmark dyinbyran
not just that one ,the previous quals also ,the only place where navi proved was katowice and after that they didnt perform like katowice but theyre still top 1 rn
2020-07-05 13:19
So what?
2020-07-05 13:27
Denmark dyinbyran
and dont you consider s1mple top 2 ? so if s1mple cam be top 2 ,how cant xantares be top 20 this year ( i m saying he will be but your logic of big always performing against tier 2 teams wont get him top 20 is wrong and also not true)
2020-07-05 13:29
Denmark dyinbyran
btw big beat navi this year after katowice
2020-07-05 13:30
s1mple this year played 51 maps with about 1.26 rating against top5,some of his best performances were also on LAN/big events. He also played 63 maps with 1.24 rating against top10. And thats why he is easily top2 if not top1. Xantares did really well against top10 and below which is good but I couldnt find him playing against top5 a single time.
2020-07-05 13:40
Denmark dyinbyran
"but I couldnt find him playing against top5 a single time." First of all that clearly is an exaggeration cause big beat navi when navi was nr 1 and rn big is the finalist in the hardest qualifier(compared to na,cis) so how can you say big hasnt played against a single top 5 team? or if you mean he didnt play "good" a single time against a top 5 team then ,here you go and also faze vs big ,he top fragged i think ,anyways i m not saying xantares will def be top 20 cause he isnt the best player even in big but he may get top 20 cause this year isnt over yet
2020-07-05 13:47
Well,I looked up this page But it doesnt show any of the BIG players so its bugged or something But if he continues like this he could get top20
2020-07-05 13:55
thats not true
2020-07-05 11:40
he's been good online but in lan vs top tier teams he can't do shit.
2020-07-05 13:13
United States clockworkk
even players like natosaphix could make it into the top 20 this year cos it's all online and trash players that were nowhere before somehow emerged from their swamps and started "dominating" look at syrson remember him on lan? probably not cos he couldn't do shit on lan (and yeah you can come with the 10.5 ratings on LAN or whatever but he only plays like 5 maps before going out last at the events lmfao) + he probably cheats rn lol xantares? had like 0.8 rating on LAN last year when I just randomly checked in september how come noone, literally no tier1 team has been as good online as they're on LAN but BIG -the team that was #40 whatever at the start of the year- just jumps 40 ranks in a few months and are playing like they were never before how u gonna tell me that some random fpl kid destroys the whole pro scene as soon as pro cs goes online but on LAN he's ass there's no way that noone started to cheat as soon as this online shit started
2020-07-04 16:03
Europe _Tacoo
tl;dr big only good on online
2020-07-04 19:01
United States clockworkk
tldr syrson vac inc
2020-07-04 19:16
wtf what do you think about blamef?
2020-07-04 19:37
United States clockworkk
not consistent enough
2020-07-04 19:58
why even bother commenting if you are clueless as fuck? ofc nato will not make it even close to the top20, only top10 and maybe top20 filter will be relevant for that ranking. xantares was pretty bad online and offline in his first months in BIG, imagine moving to a different country and having to communicate in a language you just started learning. big was top40 or something because they made 2 rosterchanges. and syrson and kito are the reason they became so good. Since those 2 joined, BIG has looked good in every tournament they played online and offline.
2020-07-04 23:07
United States clockworkk
flair checks out delusional kid
2020-07-05 09:53
cant counter any arguments, flag checks out
2020-07-05 12:47
United States clockworkk
didn't even bother reading your biased opinion where was big on lan? 1 player doesn't change the whole team in 2 months especially when that kid is constantly bottomfragging k1to isn't a fucking s1mple or whatever who just brings a team up to the top 10
2020-07-05 14:20
because you know youre wrong big didnt have the chance yet to play big lans, they won the two T2 lans they played 2* players do change the whole team instantly. syrson is a top5 awper and k1to making room for his team and a lot of high impact plays. again you prove that you have no clue about CS
2020-07-05 16:16 nuff said tbh "2* players do change the whole team instantly. syrson is a top5 awper and k1to making room for his team and a lot of high impact plays." > oh yeah a cheater and a bot does change a team significantly BIG is a trash online team and they won't achieve anything on LAN
2020-07-05 17:39
either baiting or brainless
2020-07-05 20:03
rekt by facts
2020-07-05 20:06
since when are baseless claims facts?
2020-07-05 20:08
facts are tough for haters, i feel you
2020-07-05 13:07
United States clockworkk
ok habibi
2020-07-05 14:21
lol, calling habibi in 2k20, boomer?
2020-07-05 18:06
I'd rather be called a boomer than be from budget india
2020-07-05 18:08
lol racist
2020-07-05 18:14
sorry but I'm disgusted by your country and your people
2020-07-05 18:14
your online experiment doesn't mean anything, never judge countries with your anonymous experiences
2020-07-05 18:23
2020-07-05 18:25
2020-07-06 23:22
if no lans in 2020, top 10 for sure
2020-07-04 16:07
probably no LANs rest of this year :(
2020-07-04 16:10
xantares bed len pleyer
2020-07-04 16:17
the whole team is better online because gob b can call, on lan, only on pauses, so a big L if lans come back for BIG
2020-07-04 16:20
gob b is not calling tho haha, he literally plays valorant all day even while big plays, he didn't even watch the final against g2 live .... the only thing he does is talk to tabsen and tow b before the matches in prep to maybe help them a bit if they need
2020-07-05 13:02
hes kinda shit as an coach if true, but i dont know if i see that
2020-07-05 13:58
i feel that same bro, when everything goes online tabsen cant fix everything like last 2 tournement. I think that TowB helps a lot in game and tactics. Tow B is Big's coach.
2020-07-06 23:34
Bosnia and Herzegovina vinterriket
i dont think so. tabsen and syrson top 20 in 2020. not others
2020-07-04 18:59
United States ShawnM
I doubt hltv is even doing top 20 rankings this year since everything has been online
2020-07-04 19:01
top-20 onliners
2020-07-04 19:20
They can do a ranking based on online events. I'd rather make them one ranking for EU, and one ranking for NA tho
2020-07-04 20:15
of course they will make rankings, they generate a lot of traffic = $$$
2020-07-04 23:08
Slovakia sanjuro
Online ranking will be almost same as lan
2020-07-05 10:29
xantares is the 4th best player on his own team.
2020-07-04 20:07
mad cuz zywho fan kid
2020-07-05 13:10
Nobody will take top 20 hltv seriously this year if they do one. And btw hltv should be ashamed of themselves if they make one.
2020-07-04 20:10
Why should they be ashamed ? Makes no sense.
2020-07-05 12:46
He is trash
2020-07-04 20:12
Turkey semtan
onliner shit
2020-07-04 20:21
wtf i thought turkish guys love xantares
2020-07-04 22:54
JW | 
India Silverk
i think fan of woxic
2020-07-05 10:08
i thought they like both
2020-07-05 11:34
+1 2 iq woxic fan
2020-07-05 12:51
Turkey semtan
Not all of them
2020-07-05 10:22
Turkey ShooGTr
hope so yeah
2020-07-04 20:28
Onlineares. Maybe if no lans.
2020-07-04 22:59
Germany Enlay
if he continues like this, yes.
2020-07-04 23:01
He should prove himself on LAN, i know he can; i see the improvement in his game... He is not farming frags like he did in Space Soldiers but he plays more with brains
2020-07-04 23:04
ez top 20
2020-07-04 23:10
i saw space soldiers on this page, feels bad :(
2020-07-05 13:12
Ukraine XBOCT<3
IMO, there should be 2 separate top 20s for online and lan tournaments this year :D And yes, xarantes would make it to top 20 of the online list.
2020-07-04 23:14
Making a lan top 20 with almost no lans played. Super smart my friend
2020-07-05 11:47
Ukraine XBOCT<3
The top is done by the end of the season/year based on the data throughout the ENTIRE season/year, my friend. July has just started. + ESL announced that they are looking to return with lan tournaments in August. Dafuq is your problem, m8?
2020-07-05 12:28
So top 20 of half 2020 and top 2020 of the other half of 2020 ?
2020-07-05 12:48
they are looking to return with lan tourneys but its pretty impossible to get teams from china brazil and US to the EU right now. I say there wont be more than maybe 2 T1 lans this year and this is only if we get lucky.
2020-07-05 12:52
Esl one cologne is probably not happening. And i dont think there will be any t1 lans this year besides maybe a major.
2020-07-05 13:36
Top 20 of Ocalan's favorite kurdish fighters
2020-07-04 23:15
Would be the biggest robbery ever, the top20 would lose a lot of value if even the biggest onliner ever manage to make it
2020-07-04 23:17
Deserves it.
2020-07-05 10:00 i dont think so many irrelevant players (like xantares himself) have good stats during this online era. So there are plenty of candidates for top20. Syrson can make it since he has clearly better stats than almost everybody but this is not the case for Xantares. edit: if they keep this form and win esl one cologne or rio major and xantares increases his average rating to 1.15, why not? i talked about the current situation
2020-07-05 10:03
i think right now xantares is very close to the top20 and if he continues this form he will surely make it.
2020-07-05 12:53
Onliners so no
2020-07-05 10:10
and he only needed corona pandemic and online meta for it.
2020-07-05 10:15
Turkey amel1k
HLTV forum lol.Calls onliner for 2019 (2019 big lineup)
2020-07-05 10:16
he good player but i dont sure can we say something about his top-20. but syrson is really beast
2020-07-05 10:16
2020-07-06 23:21
I think that HLTV should skip this year bcs this year was in online. Many well-known LAN teams (fnatic, mouz, etc) and good LAN players (JW, KRIMZ, flusha, coldzera, etc) don't show what they are capable of in online tournaments.
2020-07-05 10:21
Turkey pngnemir
I dont get this online, lan thing seriously "good" player should play well on both. lAn pLayErS, LaN tEamS it sounds like an excuse.
2020-07-05 10:30
TOP 1 2020
2020-07-05 11:40
top 20 for being an onliner... they shouldnt even have a top 20 list this year
2020-07-05 11:41
Germany Empeeh
Everyone is obviously playing online right now, and BIG is doing well. I cant find a argument to judge this. No one really knows how they´ll work on LAN. This Lineup only had 1 LAN tournament yet, and they won it. So lets just relax and wait
2020-07-05 13:32
only xantares wants quarantine not to end
2020-07-05 11:46
I think he deserves better. He has godly aim and peek. Imo he crumbles under pressure but for the rest 8/8 player
2020-07-05 11:47
Thats weird since he said "I really like high pressure moments" in his stream couple weeks ago
2020-07-05 12:33
Yeah but when playing an official game is different, is not like an fpl game where you can have fun and in the end if you lose you queue again. In the recent games big looked good so far tho so imo he can fit any top teams.
2020-07-05 13:07
France LorisDF
perhaps, we'll see
2020-07-05 13:17
2020-07-05 16:26
2020-07-05 20:09
haha wp wp
2020-07-05 22:00
He deserves it but the team crumbles in bigger events :(
2020-07-06 23:16
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