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"Onliners" Excuse
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Germany hellosmartpeoplefromhltv 
If winning online is so easy and "everyone can win online" why don't the other established teams just dominate the online cs era? They should be more than capable to do so if you argue that. Right now there's nothing else than online play and there will not be any lan, especially not in front of a crowd for a longer time now. There's one thing - winning irrelevant online tournaments and bombing out of the big lans, then there's performing exceedingly good in those (even if you want to say so t2) lans you were able to play and dominating those huge online tournaments - consistently.
2020-07-06 22:38
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Portugal eilzinho
Honestly the biggest argument against BIG right now is that they're only playing other EU teams (and no Astralis). They haven't played: Astralis Liquid EG Na'Vi (in the last 3 months) FURIA who are all top 10 teams.
2020-07-06 22:46
how the fuck are liquid still in the top10
2020-07-06 22:49
How DAFUCK Astralis is still in top10?
2020-07-06 22:51
#33
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Brazil !nStinct
Cause they rekt all with the oficial line up? the ranking considerate the history, not only the 2 last events
2020-07-06 23:06
#36
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Brazil KnockerXV
Safado detected
2020-07-06 23:08
yes but now the lineup is missing the 2 most important players and mald lions are probably the best danish team now
2020-07-06 23:10
#38
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Brazil !nStinct
Yeah, but is temporary, so rlx. Mad lions who already benched their best player and losted to PACT by 2x0? They played only 2 events(tier 1)in a high level, and them... lost to pact. Astralis, with these lineup, is bad, but i dont know if ml would win them
2020-07-06 23:16
currently they shouldnt be in the top 10, because the current lineup sucks
2020-07-06 23:18
#41
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Brazil !nStinct
"the ranking considerate the history, not only the 2 last events ", i think you forgot this, thats the ranking, if you dont like, create yours
2020-07-06 23:22
the ranking is incorrect, that's all :p
2020-07-06 23:23
#43
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Brazil !nStinct
Yeah, top 5 is a joke, and the rest too, buts online cs, lets wait the ranking with the oficial Astralis lineup and lan events, then we will know the correct ranking :p
2020-07-06 23:27
would love to see any of those matchups.
2020-07-06 22:49
we probably will
2020-07-06 22:50
#6
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Germany ezidus
they'd struggle against EG but none of the other teams in current state
2020-07-06 22:50
+1 None of those teams really showed up or showed any promise in recent times, NA really weak rn, especially Liquid, I could see BIG having a hard matchup with EG and maybe Furia due to their unique playstyle
2020-07-06 22:54
I dont think astralis can beat any top10 team rn, na teams are probably weaker and navi looks shaky aswell. But hopefully we will see that matchups soon
2020-07-06 22:52
by astralis, I mean the real astralis (with xyp9x and gla1ve). not whatever they have now.
2020-07-06 22:54
then they should also play nip and by that i mean the real nip from 2014
2020-07-06 22:56
That astralis is gone now, we wont see them for a while now
2020-07-06 22:57
I think we'll see them at the major.
2020-07-06 22:58
Maybe, but they may not have their peak form
2020-07-06 22:58
EU is way stronger than NA/CIS, and Navi/Liquid had big problems vs. their lower tier regional opponents.
2020-07-06 22:58
I agree big is a great contender currently but i think there is like 6-7 teams that can all be top 1 if they have a good day. It just depends how well they are playing at the moment and currently big has the best form
2020-07-06 22:49
Fair argument
2020-07-06 22:51
established teams dont give a fuck about online 👌😎
2020-07-06 22:49
why wouldnt they? its still about money
2020-07-06 22:52
xaxaxaxa, only tier 2 and below teams play for money, tier 1 plays for prestige which online gives zero because its a joke
2020-07-06 22:52
flair checks out
2020-07-06 22:53
#44
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Indonesia rareguy
imagine not liking money in 2020
2020-07-06 23:33
its just an excuse because it hurts their confidence and ego. omg i got beat by worse team its only because online. I havent seen any pro player actually say it was because they were just better than us, always the online blabla excuse zzzzz. no respect
2020-07-06 23:01
#13
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Ukraine McSwell
LAN matches always have nearly the same conditions for all teams. Online matches don't.
2020-07-06 22:53
#17
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France Il_padrino
Actually BIG's player don't care about ranking cuz they know that mean nothing
2020-07-06 22:55
I think they care, and deserve to do so after so much grind and a long time rather struggling, they went out first to eat good and then all went to a bar to celebrate rank 1 and the tournament wins I think saying HLTV World ranking #1 means nothing is a real overexaggeration If Vitality/G2/whoever would reach it you'd be happy aswell
2020-07-06 22:58
#48
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France Il_padrino
Vitality/G2 top 2 was legendary beacause it was actually the proof that french scene isn't dead and cuz it's the first time in cs history however, XQTZZ (vitality's coach) said that the team don't give a fuck about the top2 and same for G2's players
2020-07-07 02:05
I think the other teams don't want to cheat their way into the Major. Getting 1M + from sticker sale is good.
2020-07-06 22:58
Lmao always the same lame excuse without evidence For all those calling WH, you can literally see most of the gameplay of the players in their instagram story or their yt channel as they film almost everything from behind their backs
2020-07-06 23:00
Have lots of evidence, most of the gameplay shown are people dying. I would not use WH, aimkey or sound is good enough.
2020-07-06 23:02
Then post it
2020-07-06 23:03
Takes too much time, I'm not that invested. It's like Tyrkish people and the armenian genocide, they can easily find out the truth, but they don't want to hear it.
2020-07-06 23:05
wow solid argument, after all as long as there's no evidence there's no reason for me to believe you
2020-07-06 23:07
Exactly, Look it up if you're interested, If not; Ignorance is bliss.
2020-07-06 23:40
Of all the teams I have seen online BIG look one of the least sus they just play good CS not sure where the cheating allegations are coming from
2020-07-06 23:43
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United States ShawnM
it's not an excuse it's a fact like big have always been dogshit on LAN and xantares has always been known as an onliner
2020-07-06 22:59
They've won every LAN they contended with their current lineup, the old ones just didn't match really Imagine if I'd invalidate Col's (occasional) success by saying that Shazam was shit at majors, whats the sense behind that? Xantares is great online, I agree with you ;) But 1.16 avg HLTV lan rating isn't bad either
2020-07-06 23:03
#40
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United States ShawnM
every LAN? they attended one LAN which was a dreamhack open vs shit teams i never said anything about old coL? that's irrelevant for this argument, being objective about BIG only hes an onliner at his best, look at majors or big events and his rating is below 1.00 for big events, im sure it's even lower at majors if cologne is on LAN, we'll see that big gets 7-8th at best, or whenever the next lan happens
2020-07-06 23:19
BiG are German pride. There is no need to use some excuses to downfall their recent success.
2020-07-06 23:00
kek hltv.org/stats/teams/matches/7532/BIG?st.. if big play like that on lan they won't be called onliners anymore,they just need to win something on lan
2020-07-06 23:08
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13.50
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1.10
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6.50
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