But frankie and her simps men 😞👌
China should voice their opinion
Free speech does not exist, and it will never will.
I actually dislike hate speech laws, when I see stuff like people getting arrested for doing a nazi salute outside the german parliament I cringe inside, I love the first amendment and free speech but hate speech laws are mega cringe in my OP and the government mandating what type of speech is considered hate speech is even scarier, that's just my op though feel free to disagree.
People like to use this quote a lot when they say certain speech should be banned
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
But these people like to miss out the second half of the quote
"In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols."
This quote is not in support of banning speech at all even if it is intolerant, it is in support of banning intolerance when it spills over into violence.
Freedom of speech exists to protect speech that is offensive, we wouldn't need it if it existed to protect good speech.
On principle you should stand with anyone's right to speak freely
"I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It" should be something we all live by but sadly it is a dying principle across most of the west.
no. 1 - the first amendment is an american law, not a universal law; futhermore, america must stop thinking they are the center of the universe.
no. 2 - the american first amendment is so poorly upheld its almost laughable, it's easier to talk about hitler in Berlin then have independent opinions in america.
FREE SPEECH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO PROTECT RIGHT NOW
"defamation, incitement of violence" you can spin so many things to fall into that category. Just questioning somebody's origin is today translated directly to: "you are trying to setup skinheads against him."
"except when it directly harms someone (defamation, incitement of violence)"
+1 but in Europe we don't have free speech anymore
There is no such thing as free speech.
Certain cases of obscenity should not be covered by free speech
not everyone can face hate speech and fake charges calmly
There are always people get hurts when someone speak freely
you're not a free speech defender
No need to change your mind when you are right
I would try to change your mind on the exceptions, arguing even those are not, but not sure I feel like debating rn
The TLDR would be a strict voluntaryist perspective (nap, free association):
- Incitement of violence: if people act on the incitement they should be held individually accountable, not the one inciting, because they are not robots with no will of their own
- Defamation: the more influent you are the more you risk losing your reputation. People with zero influence aren't punished already. I could more or less agree on defamation in the case of news outlets, since they get often get funding from the state so they're a bit artificially shielded from consequences
You cannot offend someone with your freedom of speech.
The problem is who is the one to judge? Sometimes you offended someone with your freedom of speech and you dont realize it. When they pointed out you said I had freedom of speech you cannot criticize me. But where are their freedom of speech?
freedom of speech is regulated by country or by rules of the website
In UK you have freedom of speech on a box in a park for example. But full freedom of speech other than that doesnt exist.
You cannot proclaim racism, theft, murder, torture.