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BIG clarification?
tiziaN | 
Germany Died2Born 
To everyone that says BIG onliners, suck at LAN, just a quick reminder: The BIG that wasn't doing good on LAN had 2 completely different players and changed roles. They had gob b who is 500iq but legit had 2 frags each game, and nex who played with an injured wrist. Now they still have the brain of gob b in the back while the two inconsistant players got removed and two really good(esp. syrson) got added. With this line up they only played two LANs, won both(lower tier but for the first few weeks together with new coach and igl still insane). Also don't forget what they managed to achieve with the "bad LAN" line up -> e.g finals in cologne If they made it to finals in cologne with kind of a 4v5 they can surely destroy LANs soon. I'm not saying that they will tho!
2020-07-07 14:47
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#1
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United Kingdom Bern1e
I think its mainly that GODB can talk while they are playing but the team dont have to deal with him being a bot. Mouse should do this with mousesports while you can use coaches in game.
2020-07-07 14:50
he is not talking to them while they're playing tho, he plays valorant and doesn't even watch all the games, he didn't even watch the final against g2 live bc he streamed. he streams almost everyday
2020-07-07 14:53
#19
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United Kingdom Bern1e
Oh, i just got that impression from what you said "they have the brain of gob b in the back". Did he actually go to valorant, jeez that game really is getting the sloppy washed up seconds of the CS scene, i heard hiko is there to the fat bot.
2020-07-07 14:55
yes he plays it a lot, but i just mean that sometimes when tabsen and tow b(the coach) have a problem they have the opportunity to ask gob b but it's not like they talk to him everyday
2020-07-07 14:56
#18
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Germany TrTafitson
Gob b does not talk during games, Tow b is the head coach, gob b only gives tactical advice before games if asked by tow b/tabsen
2020-07-07 14:54
#20
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United Kingdom Bern1e
Ty
2020-07-07 14:55
gob tweeted after summit win that he will take next train to berlin. means he wasn't in the teamhouse so no chance to talk. i think the combination of gob's preperation for each team and dynamic tactics by towb are a main reason for the big upstep. so dont forget @op that even the coach changed
2020-07-07 15:48
cya on lan
2020-07-07 14:54
#11
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Brazil sakaaa
my guess is that you meant during the war when winter, not cold war?
2020-07-07 14:53
+1
2020-07-07 14:54
#22
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Germany m1soooo
USA education man
2020-07-07 14:55
"people tend to hate on the best, that's just natural jealousy behavior." -BRiMEy (2020-07-07 13:05)
2020-07-07 14:54
this fool legit rekt himself with that quote, i'm gonna post it under every BIG hate thread now lol thx
2020-07-07 15:10
Lol he edited the post here to reduce the impact and to hide the fact he didn't know what the cold war was :D
2020-07-07 15:35
#16
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Finland Acoz
So they will be top1 for about 3 years?
2020-07-07 14:54
probably not but i think it wouldnt be too bold to asume they'll keep up in the top10
2020-07-07 15:11
#38
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Finland Acoz
He edited his comment because his knowledge of history is dogshit
2020-07-07 15:24
yeah this guy is on the lower end of the IQ scale on hltv, noticed him as well
2020-07-07 15:25
#25
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Brazil sakaaa
lol, nice edit.
2020-07-07 14:57
proof?
2020-07-07 14:58
#39
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Finland Acoz
Poor muricans knowledge of history is dogshit wof wof
2020-07-07 15:25
#48
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Turkey TheKaiser
Replies.
2020-07-07 15:32
You notice the little "edit" icon at the bottom? Come on mate...
2020-07-07 15:36
ez4big
2020-07-07 14:50
#4
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France Mozzaik
Yep you said it all, Gob b can LIG in online game, not on lan game. We will see on lan if they can keep there momentum and shut some mouth or if they will shut yours.
2020-07-07 14:52
he is not talking to them while they're playing tho, he plays valorant and doesn't even watch all the games, he didn't even watch the final against g2 live bc he streamed. he streams almost everyday
2020-07-07 14:54
#27
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France Mozzaik
You have no clues if he is speaking with them or not. It's like for Vitality momentum it's quite obvious Xtqzzz (he is a fucking Bible of CS) is LIG most of the time, he also said that in a french interview (and that a lot of team did that too, some player of Astralis even saif that they don't use ). Same goes for BIG with Gob band Tow b, btw Gob b wasn't streaming for Big/Vita he was with them at berlin and same goes for most of the match BIG play. I'm maybe wrong we will see in lan, but i'm sure both BIG and Vitality will mysteriously loose some of their level.
2020-07-07 15:07
this was the only game where gob was in berlin ( if he even arrived at this point) and most other games he was streaming himself. also makes no sense to have him in call in vita finals but not in the first finals they got in vs g2, as if they planned" oh you're gonna help us in the next finals after we won this one"
2020-07-07 15:08
#30
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France Mozzaik
He wasn't streaming while they play Fnatic/OG/Vita. But yeah, we will see when lan event come back but mark my words both team will loose some level. Btw Qualifier point for Major> than any T1 online event.
2020-07-07 15:11
yeah sure more important but they played on the same level earlier without gob 100%
2020-07-07 15:16
Neither Gob b nor Tow B really talk at all during the games. Gob doesnt even watch most of the matches, as he's mostly streaming rn, he's actually currently only their second analyst. Tow b is currently mostly only preparing for the matches, but doesn't call at all during them, only tries to motivate the team - as you said bc they think that as soon as LAN returns, it would destroy all of the chemistry and set them back immensly, as well as that tabseN would have no chance to improve his IGL That's what BIG's manager told in a recent interview youtube.com/watch?v=VEGQyX42Bik
2020-07-07 15:45
#87
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France Mozzaik
There is an hug différence between what they say and what they do... No one prepare for lan when you have an entiere month of holidays for the player...
2020-07-07 20:50
maybe follow BIG on ig to find out more, they always show different perspectives during the matches in their stories where you can also see that tow b does not talk during rounds
2020-07-07 21:42
gob b is not there with them when they play or pracc, he only gives advice when he is asked also BIG is not talking to their coach mid game since the online-era started to prepare for LAN conditions, they only talk during timeouts and half time their manager did a nice interview (in german) a while ago where he revealed these things
2020-07-07 15:13
Why dont you wait till after i happens. Then your expectations wont get destroyed completely and trolls wont bookmark this shit thread and let it reappear once BIG is back sucking on some real competetion. This online invironment is shit for the greatest players. They dont get excited sitting in their room playing. They have grown accustomed to live audience and thats whats gets them a hard on. My bet is Xyp took leave bc fuck online cs. I’m not saying BIG wil suck once LAN is back. But this bs #1 rankin and RESPECTFULbigfans claiming era and shit is annoying.
2020-07-07 14:57
tabsen said it nice yesterday on stream: people should not overrate the success they currently have in these online events but they also should not take it away from them because nobody else was able to do it better no matter what comes next, currently they are the best and they have proven it with 2 BO5 finals. in my opinion a top team should be able to play online and offline as well, especially when you have 4 months time to adjust so i do not take these online cs excuses. but on the same time BIG obviously has to prove themselves in offline play as well.
2020-07-07 15:23
They dont play the best. they dont play NAVI, 100T, EG, Furia, Complexity, Astralis. Their only competetion has been Vitality. Fnatic and mouz doing idunno. This is the weakest top1 HLTV placement in history.
2020-07-07 15:37
you know that they beat col already and also 2:0 navi right
2020-07-07 15:39
Weakest top1 ever.
2020-07-07 15:54
navi might be the only current good team they did not face recently (although BIG 2-0'd navi @ EPL and NaVi is holding their top5 spot by struggling against CIS t2-t3 Teams) , and dont get me started on NA teams. they beat faze three times, they beat g2 (which i definitely would consider a top3 team in the online era) with a 2 map deficit and a 11-4 half on the decider map for G2, they beat vitality, they beat fnatic, they beat complexity twice, they beat mousesports alone mouz, faze, fnatic and g2 were all top5 teams at the beginning of the year. it is not BIGs fault if they do not perform. BIG beat everyone they got matched up to. and astralis beat themselves, its not BIGs fault either they dont have a complete roster and its also not BIGs fault they went 9-12th at DH Masters. as i said, nobody should overhype this but also nobody should take it away from them. BIG is looking the most dominant right now and this is by no means the weakest top1 placement in hltv ranking history.
2020-07-07 15:55
*beat faze 4 times :D
2020-07-07 15:56
Doesnt matter. There is no need to say anything about their run. Lucky timing on Corona. BIG out of top10 2 months into regular schedule
2020-07-07 16:00
yeah alright, if a danish team had that run it would be ok for you i dont even try to argue on with you, we'll see what the future brings
2020-07-07 16:06
No, it wouldn't be OK for danish kids to spam HEROIC ERA if they had a few good online events. BIG havn't proved anything. Let's see.
2020-07-07 16:47
#6
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Finland 300_IQ
I just wish they'd done it with nex :(
2020-07-07 14:51
people just mad cuz astralis and their favorite teams got fucked by big
2020-07-07 14:52
#9
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Brazil sakaaa
Every nail that sticks out gets the hammer, this is almost an indicator of success. People will always try to find ways to minimize other's achievement.
2020-07-07 14:52
+1 very brained brazilian guy
2020-07-07 15:13
Flag and Flair dont check out
2020-07-07 15:42
+1 Smart man Seen it a million times before in regular sports, its never the team thats that good, its always the referee who made them win this and that, its a lucky fluke, its the other team having a bad day,...
2020-07-07 15:47
#84
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Brazil sakaaa
justifications everywhere, man...
2020-07-07 16:46
#1 team still going to dh open event eheheheheheheh
2020-07-07 14:53
so? everyone wants to play, if you really want to improve you will take every opportunity you can and that's what they do, also free money :D
2020-07-07 14:55
hahahahahahahah #1 team in a dh open lmaoooooo
2020-07-07 14:55
BIG was also horrible online before they added syrson and kito.
2020-07-07 14:53
Cheaters
2020-07-07 15:17
thx for the compliment
2020-07-07 15:22
You are right BIG good with that core
2020-07-07 15:25
imagine thinking it's insane to win 2x tier3 lans xD
2020-07-07 15:26
they barely played together at that point also were not considered the best at the turnaments
2020-07-07 15:30
wow they beat heroic who were in a slump and renegades who are a top50 team xDDDD also did you see which teams actually attended flashpoint 1. Actually BOT TEAMS like havu were among the top contenders so perhaps it was a tier4/5 event
2020-07-07 15:38
renegades at time time was close to top 10 also heroic has been doing great lately
2020-07-07 15:42
renegades have never been close to top10 hahaha wtf are u talking about? they broke into top30 because they get free tournament slots due to being in an uncompetitive region. Also Heroic was in a slump in the given period, and has now been doing better since signing cadian+teses and letting snappi go. The tournament was a walk in the park.
2020-07-07 15:54
#43
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Russia ToughGuy
big before corona barely top30 team big now - top1 i think it says all
2020-07-07 15:27
big before new roster top 30 big with new roster top 1 i think it says all
2020-07-07 15:30
yes new roster with cheaters they took from alternate attax
2020-07-07 15:33
they played for sprout before they got them also thx for compliment
2020-07-07 15:34
okay same thing though, tier 3 cheating german roster
2020-07-07 15:34
thx
2020-07-07 15:37
why are you saying thanks for cheat accusation it is not a compliment
2020-07-07 15:38
calling non cheaters "cheater" is very kind bc it shows that their skill is unbelievable to you which is a compliment
2020-07-07 15:40
yes but they are actually cheating, syrson 1000% he has been doing it for years
2020-07-07 15:40
k thx if you think so
2020-07-07 15:41
syrson did also play for alternate btw
2020-07-07 15:43
and kito and tizian too
2020-07-07 15:44
alternate is basically german cheater academy
2020-07-07 15:45
big=ONLINERS /closed
2020-07-07 15:28
everyone is onliners rn dude, big is just playing better than the others, you can't be non onliners without lans
2020-07-07 15:29
nice excuse.Unfortunately when lan will come back i will have to wathc those onliners play tier 1 tournaments.Anyway after a couple of lan tournaments everyone will see that BIG are the BIGgest ONLINERS
2020-07-07 15:36
I dont think these rankings will stay once lan is back, i believe online is indeed a big deal of a difference, the ranking had been shifting a lot as hltv said, online matches now have a big impact on ranking, on this phase, so once lan comes back that will change, honestly yeah, big is a new lineup, but most big teams have been failing at stupid things that at lan i dont think they would, we have to wait and see
2020-07-07 15:33
ONLINERS
2020-07-07 15:45
everyone is playing online rn
2020-07-07 15:46
Stopped readin after 500iq. If that was the case they wouldve won anyhow with his einstein brain kekw 😂😂😂 Are you bored btw? No need for these useless topics. Lets see how they perform on lan soon If they suck. U gon’ suck as well 😉
2020-07-07 15:50
yes i'm bored and no matter how smart he is if you play 4v5 or even 3v5 it is way too hard to succeed
2020-07-07 15:54
happens with big every time, nothing new tbh, once we get to lan, they will start playing t3 cs again... Its not the first time fans are hyping and big are performing this good online
2020-07-07 16:01
You can't be sure they are not cheating especially when cheating online is 100% safe, look at leaf nobody gonna investigate Only lan can prove who they are. This ranking is nothing
2020-07-07 16:05
+1
2020-07-07 16:56
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